IL-2 4th Generation Future Titles

[Avimimus]

26 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

Hasn't that now lapsed?... the dev's can now do North Africa (Libya/Tobruk etc) if they choose to...

 

Yes. Different companies now, so no need for communication or approvals.

[Mysticpuma]

4 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

 

Hasn't that now lapsed?... the dev's can now do North Africa (Libya/Tobruk etc) if they choose to...

I haven't heard any different?

[BraveSirRobin]

26 minutes ago, Mysticpuma said:

I haven't heard any different?

They don’t announce every little detail about how things are done.  But Clod is now owned by a completely different company.  It only takes the tiniest bit of common sense to realize that the 1C developers no longer have to consult with Team Fusion when deciding what to do next.  

[LukeFF]

56 minutes ago, Mysticpuma said:

I haven't heard any different?

 

That was an informal agreement, since Jason was running both projects, so it would have been weird to have them competing against each other. That's all there is to it.

[Jackfraser24]

What if aircraft in Combat Pilot had a clickable cockpit? That way they and IL-2 could avoid close competition and yet cover the same battles. I’m not a big fan of clickable cockpits but I know there are many who would have an interest for them. 
 

It’s having your cake and eating it too.

[Jaegermeister]

On 9/9/2024 at 6:15 PM, LukeFF said:

People will definitely like the setting we are choosing start out with in the Pacific - I will say that much. 🙂

 

Well that's an interesting comment that seems to have been quietly slipped in. It's nice to hear that plans for the next project have already been penciled in. I don't think you are referring to Korea there.  

[Jackfraser24]

IL-2 future predictions - revised 

• Midway
• New Guinea/Bismarck Sea 
• Leyte Gulf
• Phillipines 
• Okinawa
• Kursk
• Bagration
• Balaton
• Berlin
• Stalingrad
• Moscow

Edited September 23, 2024 by Jackfraser24

[Mysticpuma]

5 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

That was an informal agreement, since Jason was running both projects, so it would have been weird to have them competing against each other. That's all there is to it.

Hmmmm so Africa could be back on the table? That would certainly be a very popular expansion 🤩

[Aapje]

7 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

What if aircraft in Combat Pilot had a clickable cockpit? That way they and IL-2 could avoid close competition and yet cover the same battles.

 

I don't think that would differentiate them enough. I think that it would be a bad idea for them to cover the same battles.

 

Also, the very reason why CP chose to use Unreal Engine is so it would save them a lot of dev time and improve their time to market. It doesn't make much sense for them to then take on something that would require big resources and would probably slow them down a lot.

 

But this is not a CP topic.

[Avimimus]

32 minutes ago, Aapje said:

But this is not a CP topic.

 

Indeed.

[LuftManu]

13 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

IL-2 future predictions - revised 

• Midway
• New Guinea/Bismarck Sea 
• Leyte Gulf
• Phillipines 
• Okinawa
• Kursk
• Bagration
• Balaton
• Berlin
• Stalingrad
• Moscow

 

Honestly, I think that a breath of fresh air after some Pacific Installmetns would be the MTO.

It has not been done in GB and it still has not only the famous European types such as the Spit or the 109, but also introduces Italian planes and pretty maps.

It would be cool to have something like:

Midway - El Alamein - New Guinea - Sicily... etc.

Kind regards 😁

[Enceladus828]

And the March up Italy/Italian Campaign after Sicily 🤩
 

My list would be:

New Guinea —> Philippines —> Sicily —> Rome area, central Italy —> Northern Italy…

Edited September 23, 2024 by Enceladus828

[Gambit21]

25 minutes ago, LuftManu said:

 

Honestly, I think that a breath of fresh air after some Pacific Installmetns would be the MTO.

 

 

 

It's going to be a long time/many releases before more 109's and more Spitfires is a "breath of fresh air" 🤣

[LuftManu]

1 hour ago, Gambit21 said:

 

 

It's going to be a long time/many releases before more 109's and more Spitfires is a "breath of fresh air" 🤣

Yes and I hope so!

We have many places to visit yet! Not only here 

[Jackfraser24]

12 hours ago, Aapje said:

 

I don't think that would differentiate them enough. I think that it would be a bad idea for them to cover the same battles.

 

Also, the very reason why CP chose to use Unreal Engine is so it would save them a lot of dev time and improve their time to market. It doesn't make much sense for them to then take on something that would require big resources and would probably slow them down a lot.

 

But this is not a CP topic.

I've heard that clickable cockpits are a possibility for Combat Pilot. 

[LuftManu]

39 minutes ago, Jackfraser24 said:

I've heard that clickable cockpits are a possibility for Combat Pilot. 

Guys, please this thread is about the new gen of Il-2 

We can discuss this other topic in it's section. (Which is also a really interesting topic, after experiencing GB for so many years)

[Jackfraser24]

17 hours ago, LuftManu said:

 

Honestly, I think that a breath of fresh air after some Pacific Installmetns would be the MTO.

It has not been done in GB and it still has not only the famous European types such as the Spit or the 109, but also introduces Italian planes and pretty maps.

It would be cool to have something like:

Midway - El Alamein - New Guinea - Sicily... etc.

Kind regards 😁

I’d love to see all of those DLCs come true. But I think that once they have done the PTO they will go back to the Eastern Front and cover battles and offensives like Kursk, Bagration and Courland. To me it seems like they have indicated that the Pacific will be part of their efforts to go back to their roots. Therefore that is why I think that the Eastern Front will follow after the Pacific, because covering Eastern Front battles is part of their roots. I may be wrong though. They might very well go to the Mediterranean and North Africa. I’d love to see Italian aircraft like the Mc.205, Fiat G.55 and R.e.2005 for IL-2 as well as late versions of the Mc.202.

Question. Do you think the dev team will keep working on the new series for 20 or so years? I just thought that with Eagle Dynamics, who have been working on DCS since 2007, is on track to  still be working on the game well past 2027. I understand that they might not as technology evolves.

Edited September 24, 2024 by Jackfraser24

[Aapje]

I think that it makes more sense to return to Europe/Africa by first picking a setting where we get some totally new planes, rather than just remakes of already released planes, to maximize excitement and to lure back those who are not such fans of the Korean or Pacific setting.

[LuftManu]

8 hours ago, Jackfraser24 said:

I’d love to see all of those DLCs come true. But I think that once they have done the PTO they will go back to the Eastern Front and cover battles and offensives like Kursk, Bagration and Courland. To me it seems like they have indicated that the Pacific will be part of their efforts to go back to their roots. Therefore that is why I think that the Eastern Front will follow after the Pacific, because covering Eastern Front battles is part of their roots. I may be wrong though. They might very well go to the Mediterranean and North Africa. I’d love to see Italian aircraft like the Mc.205, Fiat G.55 and R.e.2005 for IL-2 as well as late versions of the Mc.202.

Question. Do you think the dev team will keep working on the new series for 20 or so years? I just thought that with Eagle Dynamics, who have been working on DCS since 2007, is on track to  still be working on the game well past 2027. I understand that they might not as technology evolves.

As @Gambit21 wrote above, there is still many years to come (I hope) since we return to the areas we have now availible. 

And yes, I believe the team will continue to work on Il-2 as long as they can and want! 

[BraveSirRobin]

2 hours ago, Aapje said:

I think that it makes more sense to return to Europe/Africa by first picking a setting where we get some totally new planes, rather than just remakes of already released planes, to maximize excitement and to lure back those who are not such fans of the Korean or Pacific setting.

Thanks to Hitler that is’ t really possible.  109s and 190s.  Those are your options.

[Lusekofte]

56 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

Thanks to Hitler that is’ t really possible.  109s and 190s.  Those are your options.

Apart from some more Italian aircraft you are right. I gladly buy them all one more time if I could get a bit more complexity in DM, working communication with AI and a major improvement of AI. I am in now and then just to see any news about this. For me Korea is out of the question atm. Due to time issues and hard drive space. A kind of selfimposed priority thing. But what this new game engine, or half new game engine is capable to deliver is my main intrerest. I guess some time after Korea release we know, only then I will concider this game ..

But I have high hopes, I mean, they know what lacking in current game. I can only assume this is what they want to fix

[Enceladus828]

5 hours ago, Aapje said:

I think that it makes more sense to return to Europe/Africa by first picking a setting where we get some totally new planes, rather than just remakes of already released planes, to maximize excitement and to lure back those who are not such fans of the Korean or Pacific setting.

Allied

Beaufighter Mk. X

A-36

P-38G

Spitfire Mk. VIII

P-40K or B-25C/D

 

Axis

SM.79

MC. 205

Ju-88A-17

Fw-190A-6

Bf-109G-6

 

This is what a Sicily planeset would look like, for the Gustav and Gothic Lines it would be the BoN and BoBP aircraft respectively plus the G.55 and Re.2005.

 

[Avimimus]

4 hours ago, BraveSirRobin said:

Thanks to Hitler that is’ t really possible.  109s and 190s.  Those are your options.

 

Unless you include Italian/Romanian/Finnish fighter aircraft... then the jets (Me-262, Ar-234, He-162). There is the Bf-110, Me-410...and if one was really daring, the Ta-154 and He-219.

 

Honestly though, I'd be happy with one less Fw-190 and an Fi-156, Fw-189, Ar-196 to add to the variety. There is also room for the Ju-87R & Ju-188 or Do-217E... lots of options for Axis... so there is room to grow... although, of course, none of this is quite as interesting as the Gulf of Venice/Isonzo in WWI  

 

[310_cibule]

On 9/23/2024 at 3:41 AM, Jackfraser24 said:

IL-2 future predictions - revised 

• Midway
• New Guinea/Bismarck Sea 
• Leyte Gulf
• Phillipines 
• Okinawa
• Kursk
• Bagration
• Balaton
• Berlin
• Stalingrad
• Moscow

Malta
Battle of France

: )

[BraveSirRobin]

2 hours ago, Avimimus said:

 

none of this is quite as interesting as the Gulf of Venice/Isonzo in WWI  

 

 
There is probably a better chance of a West front module with no 109s or 190s than there is of a WW1 Italy map.

[Gambit21]

5 hours ago, Avimimus said:

 

Unless you include Italian/Romanian/Finnish fighter aircraft... then the jets (Me-262, Ar-234, He-162). There is the Bf-110, Me-410...and if one was really daring, the Ta-154 and He-219.

 

Honestly though, I'd be happy with one less Fw-190 and an Fi-156, Fw-189, Ar-196 to add to the variety. There is also room for the Ju-87R & Ju-188 or Do-217E... lots of options for Axis... so there is room to grow... although, of course, none of this is quite as interesting as the Gulf of Venice/Isonzo in WWI  

 

 

I think the German 109/190 vs X fatigue is a real thing. I don't want to project my own feelings on everyone, but I think many feel the same way. I think the Devs know this and that's at least part of the reason why Korea is coming...something new that doesn't require (at first) carrier tech. That's the main issue with Germany at this stage...nothing new in the fighter department to model really. Unless you're just a Luftwaffe freak, it wears thin after a while.
 

Eventually I'd like to see a "next gen" MiG-3, or IL2 etc etc. I think a high fidelity MiG 3 and 109E would be a lot of fun, but on newer map tech etc.

It would be great if a 3rd party set about re-creating the Eastern Front maps (and I'm a PTO guy mind you) starting with Stalingrad up to modern standard, along with some work on the plane sets...and yes please give is a Storch. I won't be upset if this never happens, all I'm really concerned with is PTO, but it would be nice.

 

 

[Aapje]

Yeah, the allies side has been carrying the desire for new planes much more than the axis side, but Korea and of course also the Pacific (Japanese planes) allow for a lot of fresh content on both sides. Italy would be very nice as well.

 

Of course, the 109 and 190 should definitely come to the new engine as well eventually.

 

And a pet peeve of mine is that the Hurricane is completely marginalized in GB, being just a collector plane, even though huge numbers were produced and used. So I would like to see it get a prominent place in a future module.

[Avimimus]

What do you guys think of doing a rotation?

 

Pacific

Eastern Europe

Western Europe & Mediterranean

WWI

 

...with an expanded team size so that there is at least one release per year (so the above would be a four year cycle).

 

The upside is that everyone would have something to be excited about, the downside is that it'd take a bit too long to develop a more complete planeset for each theatre... I think it makes more sense to do two modules in a row for each so we'd have a more complete set of approximately twenty aircraft.

 

[BraveSirRobin]

5 hours ago, Avimimus said:

What do you guys think of doing a rotation?

 

Pacific

Eastern Europe

Western Europe & Mediterranean

WWI

 

...with an expanded team size so that there is at least one release per year (so the above would be a four year cycle).

 

The upside is that everyone would have something to be excited about, the downside is that it'd take a bit too long to develop a more complete planeset for each theatre... I think it makes more sense to do two modules in a row for each so we'd have a more complete set of approximately twenty aircraft.

 

I think they should do whatever it takes to stay financially viable.  And that means that some people are never going to get some of the stuff that they want.

[Gambit21]

5 hours ago, Avimimus said:

What do you guys think of doing a rotation?

 

Pacific

Eastern Europe

Western Europe & Mediterranean

WWI

 

...with an expanded team size so that there is at least one release per year (so the above would be a four year cycle).

 

The upside is that everyone would have something to be excited about, the downside is that it'd take a bit too long to develop a more complete planeset for each theatre... I think it makes more sense to do two modules in a row for each so we'd have a more complete set of approximately twenty aircraft.

 

If I had my way, there would be at least 3 PTO full releases before anything else. Solomons, New Guinea, Philippines for example. We’ve waited too long, and there’s too much to cover for just one.

Aside from that there’s the carrier tech. Unlikely they’ll go through the pain of developing this and then move on right away.

[BraveSirRobin]

2 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

If I had my way, there would be at least 3 PTO full releases before anything else. Solomons, New Guinea, Philippines for example. We’ve waited too long, and there’s too much to cover for just one.

Don’t they kinda have to do Midway?

[Enceladus828]

5 hours ago, Avimimus said:

What do you guys think of doing a rotation?

 

Pacific

Eastern Europe

Western Europe & Mediterranean

WWI

 

...with an expanded team size so that there is at least one release per year (so the above would be a four year cycle).

That could work but we don’t need another Eastern Front installment unless it’s the Vistula-Oder offensive to the Fall of Berlin. I hope after Korea is released, Ugra or another team can do the Italian Front of WW1 and many more fronts and maps.

 

30 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

I think they should do whatever it takes to stay financially viable.  And that means that some people are never going to get some of the stuff that they want.

Okay, we get it man, WW1 beyond what we already have in FC is not of your interest and in your philosophy the war was just the Second Franco-Prussian War which only became a World War when America joined in 1917. But to others, WW1 and aerial warfare consisted of much more than just France and would be very appealing to players. I mean, with the Italian Front we can fly a twin-boom bomber over such spectacular scenery so I really don’t know where you’re coming from that the Italian and Eastern Fronts to name a few would be financial ruin.

[Gambit21]

2 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

Don’t they kinda have to do Midway?

Perhaps - makes sense on one hand for obvious reasons. However I think it also could be skipped. It could also come later as a map DLC. After either Solomons or New Guinea you have most of the aircraft 

[BraveSirRobin]

32 minutes ago, Enceladus828 said:

so I really don’t know where you’re coming from that the Italian and Eastern Fronts to name a few would be financial ruin.

If you’re so certain it would be popular maybe you should do a poll.  5 options.  New planes for existing maps.  Italian maps/planes.  Russian map w/planes.  Channel map w/planes.  Other.  Multiple choices not allowed.

[Enceladus828]

19 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

If you’re so certain it would be popular maybe you should do a poll.  5 options.  New planes for existing maps.  Italian maps/planes.  Russian map w/planes.  Channel map w/planes.  Other.  Multiple choices not allowed.

Don’t have to, Korea got the least votes in this poll (lower than France and Finland) on the next installment after BoN and lo and behold it’s the next installment after BoN.

[BraveSirRobin]

1 minute ago, Enceladus828 said:

Don’t have to, Korea got the least votes in this poll (lower than France and Finland) on the next installment after BoN and lo and behold it’s the next installment after BoN.

So you think they’re likely to do Italy or Russia even if they get far less support on this forum than more planes or Channel map?  Good luck with that.

[1/JSpan_Wind75]

It would not be possible to develop the Map of Spain for those of us who fly the oldest IL-2 Sturmovik planes, such as the "Chirri" Fiat, the BF-109 from 1936, just as it would not be possible to develop only the Map of Catalonia, which is where the greatest air battles took place.

Thanks in advance and a warm greeting from the Canary Islands.

Raúl Suárez Jiménez (!/JSpan_Wind)

[LuftManu]

Maybe the Spanish Civil War can make a comeback! 

But I think we are going to see other theaters before, just like PTO

 

Kind regards,

[Avimimus]

I think whatever they do will likely be pretty great.

[Jackfraser24]

7 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

Perhaps - makes sense on one hand for obvious reasons. However I think it also could be skipped. It could also come later as a map DLC. After either Solomons or New Guinea you have most of the aircraft 

I like your logic, but I think they will do Midway because it was too much of an important battle to leave out. 

6 hours ago, BraveSirRobin said:

So you think they’re likely to do Italy or Russia even if they get far less support on this forum than more planes or Channel map?  Good luck with that.

They’ll have to do an Eastern Front battle at some point. You can’t have an IL-2 series without an IL-2. I mean yes, you do have CLod, but I don’t think it had that IL-2 flavour without the IL-2 plane.

Edited September 25, 2024 by LukeFF