Developer blog #358: Ta 152 Development News

[EAF19_Marsh]

1 hour ago, 357th_KW said:

 

It seems that is likely Shaw’s film of an Fw190A.

But not the engagement in question (?)

[357th_KW]

52 minutes ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

But not the engagement in question (?)

 

It seems Brooker and Shaw engaged that Fw190A and were separated from Short and Mitchell who engaged with the Ta-152s.  Short's film is in that first link I posted earlier, but the quality is really poor - all you can really make out is one of the trains he was strafing.  Short did make a claim for an Me109E damaged, which Chris Shores' thinks is Sattler's Ta152 that went down.

[EAF19_Marsh]

33 minutes ago, 357th_KW said:

It seems Brooker and Shaw engaged that Fw190A and were separated from Short and Mitchell who engaged with the Ta-152s.  Short's film is in that first link I posted earlier, but the quality is really poor - all you can really make out is one of the trains he was strafing.  Short did make a claim for an Me109E damaged, which Chris Shores' thinks is Sattler's Ta152 that went down.

 

OK, got you. Thanks.

 

From the footage that was a pretty good shot. BTW have you read Sheddan’s autobiography? If not, well worth it.

[357th_KW]

29 minutes ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

OK, got you. Thanks.

 

From the footage that was a pretty good shot. BTW have you read Sheddan’s autobiography? If not, well worth it.

 

I'll have to look for it, thanks for the tip!

[EAF19_Marsh]

1 minute ago, 357th_KW said:

 

I'll have to look for it, thanks for the tip!

https://www.amazon.com/Tempest-Pilot-CJ-Sheddan/dp/0948817704 

[R33GZ]

5 hours ago, Sneaksie said:

No need to have service photos - on the contrary, a family photo (wife or girlfriend or his child) taken at that time would be best. The idea is to have a cockpit photo Owen himself would have had with him.

Ah, I see. I'll do a bit of investigation. If there is anything, it will be on my mother's side of the family, who have mostly since passed away

[sevenless]

13 minutes ago, 357th_KW said:

 

I'll have to look for it, thanks for the tip!

 

And dont miss the chap live here. Sadly he passed away in 2010:

 

 

[senseispcc]

FW152 and I -153 two nice planes to add to an already long list in the game. Great news or possible developments for new campaigns? 

[III/JG2Gustav05]

On 3/1/2024 at 10:20 AM, =gRiJ=Roman- said:

I love it! Any chance of getting the B17 AI? Now with Masters of the Air, getting an itch about it ...

We need Bf109G5 in this case for 1943 scenario.

[Heinzbaby]

I understand the labour of love for the Ta 152 but really, - never more than Staffel strength in JG301 and prone to teething problems...

The VVS need more love, it only has the 1943 La5FN, it needs the Yak3 and or the La7 to compete with the late war Dora's and Me109K's.

Even the RAF has the Spit 14. 

 

[YoYo]

+1 for Steam too. My friend is waiting, he has only Steam version ...

 

 

[AEthelraedUnraed]

1 hour ago, Heinzbaby said:

The VVS need more love, it only has the 1943 La5FN, it needs the Yak3 and or the La7

Then you will be glad to learn it's exactly those two aircraft that have been semi-announced as upcoming collector aircraft

 

I don't quite get this fascination with late-war aircraft for which we don't have the right map though. At least the Yak-3 and La-7 were actually used a lot instead of being unicorns like the Ta-152. But still, there is no way to see those birds in their historical habitat. Probably some competitive multiplayer thing where people only care about performance? I'm glad for those who like this sort of thing, but these late-war superplanes are not for me.

 

5 minutes ago, YoYo said:

+1 for Steam too. My friend is waiting, he has only Steam version ...

If you link accounts, you can play whatever you bought from the website in the Steam game

[Sobilak]

For La7 we need "Vistula-Oder-Berlin" operation.

 

[Juri_JS]

19 minutes ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

I don't quite get this fascination with late-war aircraft for which we don't have the right map though.

Same here. There's no reason for me to buy these planes without the right map.

 

I am sure the devs know that this will limit the number of sales. But who knows, maybe behind the scenes someone is working on such a map and we weren't told about it yet.

[YoYo]

6 hours ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

If you link accounts, you can play whatever you bought from the website in the Steam game

Personally I have account direct on website but how to someone who has Steam version can connect Steam account to the IL2 store?

[AEthelraedUnraed]

1 hour ago, Juri_JS said:

But who knows, maybe behind the scenes someone is working on such a map and we weren't told about it yet.

I sure hope so. Would make all those aircraft a lot more interesting to me. But frankly I don't think we'll see anything that's not been announced already.

 

57 minutes ago, YoYo said:

Personally I have account direct on website but how to someone who has Steam version can connect Steam account to the IL2 store?

Here you are: https://il2sturmovik.com/m/SteamAndIL2AccountGuide.pdf

You just buy whatever you want from the IL2 store, start the game as usual from Steam, and as long as your account is linked all your content will show up just fine.

[FliegerAD]

6 hours ago, Sobilak said:

For La7 we need "Vistula-Oder-Berlin" operation.

 

 

I would very much prefer Hungary for a late war Eastern Front module since Operation Frühlingserwachen was the last major Luftwaffe offensive, also we can include the Hungarians obviously. And that means Me 210 Ca-1, plus the usual suspects on the Axis side like the G-10 or A-9.

But it is unlikely for that or any other scenario requiring a new map.

 

My personal hope at that point is that we get aircraft which we can actually use in their historical environment on existing maps. Unfortunately that somewhat limits the Soviet late war planes...

 

But then, the Soviet fighter I want the most is the Pe-3.

 

6 hours ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

I don't quite get this fascination with late-war aircraft for which we don't have the right map though.

 

High performance, the allure of flying 'the best', power fantasy etc.

 

I mean, even if I'd prefer Pe-3, more P-40s (Tomahawks especially), or the Ju-88 R-2... I have to admit, I would have a hard time resisting the Fw 190 D-11/13.

[cardboard_killer]

3 hours ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

I don't quite get this fascination with late-war aircraft for which we don't have the right map though. At least the Yak-3 and La-7 were actually used a lot instead of being unicorns like the Ta-152. But still, there is no way to see those birds in their historical habitat.

 

To me, the only attraction of the Ta-152 is that it is an axis plane that is substantially different from most other axis single engine fighters. And since I rarely fly axis planes, that draw is almost nil to me.

[357th_KW]

4 hours ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

Then you will be glad to learn it's exactly those two aircraft that have been semi-announced as upcoming collector aircraft

 

I don't quite get this fascination with late-war aircraft for which we don't have the right map though. At least the Yak-3 and La-7 were actually used a lot instead of being unicorns like the Ta-152. But still, there is no way to see those birds in their historical habitat. Probably some competitive multiplayer thing where people only care about performance? I'm glad for those who like this sort of thing, but these late-war superplanes are not for me.

 

If you link accounts, you can play whatever you bought from the website in the Steam game

Would an eastern Germany/poland map be a feasible project for amateurs?  I’m assuming the architecture and climate and such isn’t that different from western Germany and so you could reuse buildings and textures from Rhineland to some extent.

[FliegerAD]

28 minutes ago, 357th_KW said:

Would an eastern Germany/poland map be a feasible project for amateurs?  I’m assuming the architecture and climate and such isn’t that different from western Germany and so you could reuse buildings and textures from Rhineland to some extent.

 

Eastern Germany as in modern Germany? I think so, to an extent. But then, East Brandenburg, Western Pomerania, and Mecklenburg are essentially bat country, not much going on there anyway.

tbhq, it is pretty boring. (Another reason why I would prefer Hungary to the Oder when it comes to late war Eastern Front).

 

Eastern Germany as in WW2-Germany? I would not be happy with Eastern Prussia and Pomerania represented with Rhineland assets.

[Jg54Marrrtrose]

Now we just need a Dornier Do 335 and then we have all we need.

[careascarea]

To me it seems like a waste of time since this device hardly had any prominence and only fifty were manufactured. As an anecdote, it seems good to me since I love German devices. I would have preferred a B17 since it was one of the protagonists of the most important air battles of World War II.

[EAF19_Marsh]

On 3/10/2024 at 12:21 AM, Jg54Marrrtrose said:

Now we just need a Dornier Do 335 and then we have all we need.

i always liked the -163 or Natter. Plenty of opportunities for promotion in those units.

[MAJ_stug41]

On 3/8/2024 at 8:43 AM, FliegerAD said:

I would very much prefer Hungary for a late war Eastern Front module since Operation Frühlingserwachen was the last major Luftwaffe offensive, also we can include the Hungarians obviously. And that means Me 210 Ca-1, plus the usual suspects on the Axis side like the G-10 or A-9.

But it is unlikely for that or any other scenario requiring a new map.

Yes, this would be awesome. Plus the map itself would be interesting to look at and navigate. Plenty of distinct landmarks using existing assets, like uniquely shaped lakes, the danube, mountains encompassing the map, rolling hills.

[[AFC]AWG]

Oh it's fantastic to see the Ta-152! 

As I was late to the prior devblog discussion thread, I'm simply here to express my gratitude to the developers for their hard work both on the Ta, the Spit and ESPECIALLY the map editor changes. I particularly play Tank Crew, and my creative side is going wild with ways to come up with some real interesting 'new maps' borne out of current ones modified with the terrain editing feature... Fights up inclines, or a 'king of the hill' type attack/defence scenario with sniper type vehicles on a roughly circular hilltop, trying to stop advancing attackers from capturing it as they climb. Fights through ravines and more. The ability to use more complex map geometry to our advantage is fascinating! I'm sure it will be very helpful for my much more numerous winged siblings too ?

[Duckman]

One of my favourite aircraft, yay! The Tempest is waiting for its ultimate foe.

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

2 minutes ago, Duckman said:

One of my favourite aircraft, yay! The Tempest is waiting for its ultimate foe.

Tempest is not a king of high altitude.  

[Duckman]

1 hour ago, 1PL-Husar-1Esk said:

Tempest is not a king of high altitude.  

 

Quite the contrary of course. I was thinking of Retschke's famous low level engagement against the Tempests of 486 Sqn.

 

Most of the planes shot down by Ta 152s were Yaks though, no mean feat at low altitude. It seems it never got to fight up high as intended.

[BlitzPig_EL]

Wasn't the whole reason for it's development based on the chance that we would deploy the B29 to Europe?

The Luftwaffe was certainly aware of the new Boeing.

[EAF19_Marsh]

33 minutes ago, Duckman said:

 

Quite the contrary of course. I was thinking of Retschke's famous low level engagement against the Tempests of 486 Sqn.

 

Most of the planes shot down by Ta 152s were Yaks though, no mean feat at low altitude. It seems it never got to fight up high as intended.

He caused one to crash. Shortly after his section commander had been shot down by 486.

 

The Yaks were likely bounced.

 

The Ta performance advantage over the D-9 was beneficial but not substantial. Yaks were shot down in great numbers by 190s at low altitudes from 1943.

 

The enthusiasm that this aircraft generates is slightly bizarre. Unwelcome? No. Of any great relevance, importance or significant performance? Also no.

14 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

The Luftwaffe was certainly aware of the new Boeing

Yes, since about 1942.

[sevenless]

15 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

Wasn't the whole reason for it's development based on the chance that we would deploy the B29 to Europe?

The Luftwaffe was certainly aware of the new Boeing.

 

Nope. Development of a high altitude interceptor goes well back into 1942. It wasn´t however until 1943 that they found a suitable powerplant (Jumo 213).

[EAF19_Marsh]

2 hours ago, sevenless said:

 

Nope. Development of a high altitude interceptor goes well back into 1942. It wasn´t however until 1943 that they found a suitable powerplant (Jumo 213).

Well, the idea of a version with better high-altitude performance is 1941, but the wing for the H model is something of a later effort like the Me 155. Was supposed to have a DB 605 variant. 

[357th_KW]

There’s been some mention of the Tempest FM getting another look - is there any possibility that this might coincide with the release of the Ta-152 seeing as they are natural opponents?  Likewise is there any chance the P-51 high altitude radiator bug could get a look, since that will undoubtedly be another prime matchup for the Ta-152?  @LukeFF @Gavrick

[EAF19_Marsh]

11 hours ago, 357th_KW said:

There’s been some mention of the Tempest FM getting another look

Not flown it in ages. What was the issue?

[HR_Zunzun]

2 hours ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

Not flown it in ages. What was the issue?

 

Research by the community suggests that the Coefficient of lift is too high.

[senseispcc]

22 hours ago, 1PL-Husar-1Esk said:

Tempest is not a king of high altitude.  

Look at the numbers...tempest max altitudes 37000 ft and the TA 152 44000ft if equipped with the right equipments!

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

Just now, senseispcc said:

Look at the numbers...tempest max altitudes 37000 ft and the TA 152 44000ft if equipped with the right equipments!

Yes, that's why I wrote that, what does you think? That I don't know that... omg ?

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

22 hours ago, Duckman said:

 

Quite the contrary of course. I was thinking of Retschke's famous low level engagement against the Tempests of 486 Sqn.

 

Most of the planes shot down by Ta 152s were Yaks though, no mean feat at low altitude. It seems it never got to fight up high as intended.

Exactly, so why we can assume that Ta would be competitive in low altitude vs Tempest were he is the best, so it's not a ultimate foe. Which one would choose to fight against plane where he is the best. Fighter pilots tend to take out advantage which  opponents have or equaliser it if that is enough to have a chance to win.

Ta in high altitude would be ultimate foe to all allied fighters, if they choose to fight on disadvantage to them altitude. Tempest is not good example because it's not high altitude fighter, P51, P47 would make more sense.

Edited March 13, 2024 by 1PL-Husar-1Esk

[Duckman]

21 hours ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

He caused one to crash. Shortly after his section commander had been shot down by 486.

 

The Yaks were likely bounced.

 

The Ta performance advantage over the D-9 was beneficial but not substantial. Yaks were shot down in great numbers by 190s at low altitudes from 1943.

 

The enthusiasm that this aircraft generates is slightly bizarre. Unwelcome? No. Of any great relevance, importance or significant performance? Also no.

 

 

Yes, Reschke's victim did crash but after a conventional dogfight where he gained the upper hand and sat on the Tempest's tail.

 

I agree the Ta 152 is not very special except at high altitude really, what sets it apart is gorgeous looks as well as being one of few late war projects that actually saw combat. In other words it has lots of cool factor.

[Avimimus]

On 3/6/2024 at 4:31 PM, 357th_KW said:

It seems that is likely Shaw’s film of an Fw190A.

 

It does. It'd have been interesting if a Ta-152 being defeated on film (similar to the footage for the 163 and 262).