Karelia map discussion

[CzechTexan]

The 3-D building models are beautiful!  The landscape is beautiful!  Excellent work!

[R7-S276]

this is an amazing work which deserve all our support. Impatient to see it release and really, really, really hope we could have the MS.406 in/and the finnish versions MS.301 to Ms.330 and the Hawk-75A 

[YoYo]

Any new screenshots or video? Pretty please :)!

[LeLv30_Redwing-]

12 hours ago, YoYo said:

Any new screenshots or video? Pretty please :)!

New video is under works but also the area of the map where action is taking place. Hold on for little bit longer ?

[GasTeddy]

Need a seaplane so I can land to our summer house.

[parkerc341]

Will development solely be on the map, or is the team producing 3rd Party Finnish Planes afterwards?

[LeLv30_Redwing-]

2 hours ago, parkerc341 said:

Will development solely be on the map, or is the team producing 3rd Party Finnish Planes afterwards?

Hello parkerc341, Karttakomppania's focus is on the different stages of the map.

[parkerc341]

16 minutes ago, LeLv30_Redwing said:

Hello parkerc341, Karttakomppania's focus is on the different stages of the map.

Gotcha, thanks!

[YoYo]

Btw. We will have the winter map too? Beginning or later?

[LeLv30_Redwing-]

1 hour ago, YoYo said:

Btw. We will have the winter map too? Beginning or later?

Winter map is planned but it will come after other seasons.

[YoYo]

I found in the interview btw:

 

Which seasons are planned for the map?

Kanttori: All four seasons. We have completed summer and autumn, and winter is being worked on as we speak.

 

It's a only pity that there won't be winter at the beginning with summer. This is an even more important time for Winter War. There is more snow there than green grass in this region. Btw. Is converting the summer map to the winter map difficult and time-consuming? In the new incoming patch we are supposed to get some editing tools for maps, so maybe we can help?

[YoYo]

I wonder if we will also get those "dynamic" campaigns known from other IL-2 BoX maps for this map. I know that a scripted campaign is being created, but is there any chance for more and more planes?

 

Last year I read the book of Eino Luukkanen and I am glad that we have exactly the same area of activity described in his book. 

Edited February 13, 2024 by YoYo

[LeLv30_Redwing-]

This is a question for the game developers but Karttakomppania would be delighted if this would happen ?

Edited February 13, 2024 by LeLv30_Redwing

[Juri_JS]

Some Stuka mission screenshots.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[parkerc341]

Good lord, that map looks beautiful. The colors pop!

[kraut1]

On 2/13/2024 at 10:38 AM, YoYo said:

I wonder if we will also get those "dynamic" campaigns known from other IL-2 BoX maps for this map. I know that a scripted campaign is being created, but is there any chance for more and more planes?

 

 

If there will be no real dynamic Pilot Career created:

The new map could be intergrated into EMG by Vander.

With historical front lines to be created in the EMG Template it would be possible to use EMG as a Mission Generator for a (scripted) Campaign.

By using some random options it is possible to create mission by mission while flying the campaign.

It would be possible to define all available historical correct planes for the Karelia Map time frame.

The definition of historical Tank Columns, Tank concentrations, vehicle columns, artillery batterys, ship convoys is possible too.

(For my Tank Crew EMG modification I have created typical 1941/42 and 43 tank columns, to be activated with a simple batch file)

Missions with up to 12 Lead +12 Escort planes per side and up to 24 ambient planes would be possible.

Edited February 27, 2024 by kraut1

[nachinus]

Looking really good so far!

 

I wish the terrain editor would have a tool to make roads/rails blend better with the underlying terrain texture and not just cut through all fields. This is not a criticism about this otherwise beautiful map, it happens in all maps in all simulators (except for MSFS, of course, because it uses satellite scenery), just a general wish that I dream about ?

Edited March 15, 2024 by nachinus

[Juri_JS]

9 minutes ago, nachinus said:

I wish the terrain editor would have a tool to make roads/rails blend better with the underlying terrain texture and not just cut through all fields. This is not a criticism about this otherwise beautiful map, it happens in all maps in all simulators (except for MSFS, of course, because it uses satellite scenery), just a general wish that I dream about ?

I agree, it's one of my biggest complaints regarding the games maps.

 

It's possible to improve the look of roads by adding an underlaying texture that adds a broader grass verge, like it was done on the Velikie Luki map. But I don't know how time consuming it is and if it is doable on a map as large as Karelia.

[sevenless]

18 minutes ago, nachinus said:

I wish the terrain editor would have a tool to make roads/rails blend better with the underlying terrain texture and not just cut through all fields.

 

Can second that. Especially train lines, which were back then mostly double track on the main traffic axis should stand out more visually. Hopefully someone will find a way to improve that and make single or double tracks look more realistic.

[nachinus]

12 minutes ago, Juri_JS said:

It's possible to improve the look of roads by adding an underlaying texture that adds a broader grass verge, like it was done on the Velikie Luki map. But I don't know how time consuming it is and if it is doable on a map as large as Karelia.

 

That is one beautiful map, probably my favourite in this sim! I didn't know that they did that, but it definitely looks nice. Sounds like a lot of work, though.

[YoYo]

Any news about the release? We have the Spring now and March. ?

 

Quote

then the first map part to be published will be completed next March 2024

https://stormbirds.blog/2023/12/08/exclusive-interview-with-the-il-2-karelia-map-team/

Edited March 20, 2024 by YoYo

[YoYo]

March is ending… hello, anybody at home?

[YoYo]

Hi,

according the plans Karelia map should be relesed in March 2024, so we have just few days for this only.

The problem is, that I noticed, there is no any news about progress from a long time. The last info was in January on his blog (3th party dev.), thats all: https://www.patreon.com/KarttaKomppania.

Im affraid that no any chance to see this new, free for all map, in this month ?. Any ideas what’s happend?

Btw. I know that @Juri_JS is working on the campain (which we saw in official patch in December but without the map ;)!) but this is different story. The campaign could be relesed for the second update, but Id like to know a little more about progress of this map and some plans @LLv44_Kanttori … Thank you!

[Aapje]

It's probably just taking them a little longer. Just be patient.

[AEthelraedUnraed]

It's a volunteer project by people who also have other jobs and hobbies. Real Life stuff tends to get in the way with that kind of projects. I'm sure that if/when they have something to announce, they'll announce it

 

I do know that they were waiting for a piece of software by me which I only finished last week, again because real-life issues got in the way. So I guess I will take at least partial blame for any delays.

Edited March 29, 2024 by AEthelraedUnraed

[Avimimus]

Good things take time. From what I've seen it is still underway, and there is lots of good work being done.

[YoYo]

1 hour ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

It's a volunteer project by people who also have other jobs and hobbies. Real Life stuff tends to get in the way with that kind of projects. I'm sure that if/when they have something to announce, they'll announce it

 

I do know that they were waiting for a piece of software by me which I only finished last week, again because real-life issues got in the way. So I guess I will take at least partial blame for any delays.

 

Of course, it's understandable, but they said it would be in March, hence the question.

[Aapje]

Well, apparently the delay is the fault of @AEthelraedUnraed

 

[jeanba]

5 hours ago, AEthelraedUnraed said:

It's a volunteer project by people who also have other jobs and hobbies. Real Life stuff tends to get in the way with that kind of projects. I'm sure that if/when they have something to announce, they'll announce it

 

I do know that they were waiting for a piece of software by me which I only finished last week, again because real-life issues got in the way. So I guess I will take at least partial blame for any delays.

Full blame = drowning

Partial blame = drink one glass of water

Right in time = drink one glass of beer

Edited March 29, 2024 by jeanba

[LeLv30_Redwing-]

On 3/29/2024 at 9:52 AM, YoYo said:

Hi,

according the plans Karelia map should be relesed in March 2024, so we have just few days for this only.

The problem is, that I noticed, there is no any news about progress from a long time. The last info was in January on his blog (3th party dev.), thats all: https://www.patreon.com/KarttaKomppania.

Im affraid that no any chance to see this new, free for all map, in this month ?. Any ideas what’s happend?

Btw. I know that @Juri_JS is working on the campain (which we saw in official patch in December but without the map ;)!) but this is different story. The campaign could be relesed for the second update, but Id like to know a little more about progress of this map and some plans @LLv44_Kanttori … Thank you!

Nice to see people eagerly waiting for the map, sorry to say there has been some unexpected delays. The team, for example, was hoping to purchase buildings already created by some talented 3D-modelers but unfortunately, money from the crowdfunding was not enough to achieve this goal but did offer a chance to buy much needed software, which speeds up the progress. We must remember, already mentioned earlier by some fine gentlemen, that the team has only a handful of members and while they work on daily basis with the map, it is a huge project and there are a lot of moving parts (like waiting for some important software from AEthelraedUnraed )which have to connect.

At this point I'd say let's not focus on some specific date (which is an optimistic guess anyway) but follow updates on the map's progress. I admit there has been a bit of a radio silence after the official announcement, but a lot has been done since then. The team is having talks with the game developers about how to present this map as the best way to the community and both sides are involved with good spirits in the planning. Have patience, this will be worth the wait ?

 

I'll ask @LLv44_Kanttori for some info about the current development and areas they're working with.

Edited March 30, 2024 by LeLv30_Redwing

[LLv44_Kanttori]

We are starting to make the settlements in Russia after Easter. In Finland, villages are now ready with buildings and also the textures of towns are in place, waiting only for our becoming building groups which are currently being imported into the game from our 3D modelers.  Also, natural textures such as rocks and swamps are already being worked on and we will start repairing the road network with the above-mentioned AEthelraedUnraed's great tool that we got to use last week.

There is still a surprising amount of map work, and although we are trying hard, this spring we will not be able to get the map ready for publication. But this year anyway. So not exactly "two weeks"...   During the spring, however, we will share new screenshots of the cities and also of the versatile nature as soon as we get them ready for publication. So please wait until then.

 

[YoYo]

1 hour ago, LeLv30_Redwing said:

Nice to see people eagerly waiting for the map ...

 

Of course we are waiting impatiently and tapping our feet! ?

Sure, we understand and we will wait. I'm keeping my fingers crossed, but if you also need some money, maybe it's worth reminding about it sometimes... or doing some early access for people who financially supported the project (something like Kickstarter)? Just idea :).

 

Maybe Czajka will be out of the hangar by then!

 

 

Screenshots, videos or something are always welcome to look at in bed and dream about flying over this map. 

[Kapteeni]

Good to know that it is coming. Keep up the good work! Maybe some screenshots now and then....

 

[YoYo]

11 minutes ago, Kapteeni said:

Good to know that it is coming. Keep up the good work! Maybe some screenshots now and then....

 

 

Yep it will be nice to see it.

[EAF19_Marsh]

Rasputitsa.

 

Be sure.

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

I heard it's being released in two weeks, be sure!

[LLv44_Kanttori]

https://www.patreon.com/posts/new-map-plans-of-102761103?utm_medium=clipboard_copy&utm_source=copyLink&utm_campaign=postshare_fan&utm_content=join_link

[YoYo]

So Battle of Leningrad!

I have nothing against this idea even if it will ba payware addon!

Btw. only map or with some of planes? Like I-153 + Fokker XXI + Gladiators and some SB bombers  ?

 

[6FG_Big_Al]

I'm looking forward to it

[LLv44_Kanttori]

19 minutes ago, YoYo said:

So Battle of Leningrad!

I have nothing against this idea even if it will ba payware addon!

Btw. only map or with some of planes? Like I-153 + Fokker XXI + Gladiators and some SB bombers  ?

 

 

1C Game Studios plan to make a Career mode for this module and also the Finnish Air Force as a new country, so they have also a lot of work to do there. Because of that, KarttaKompania's previous wish to give the map for free is no longer true. Han will probably open this issue when it is relevant.