Will FC3 have the same map as FC2?

[PatrickAWlson]

What the title says.  Will FC3 have the same map as FC2 or will the map be form an earlier era.  I am guessing it will  be the same because (could be wrong) I believe that the trench lines as depicted in FC2 are really early 1916 trench lines and not 1917.

 

Question 2: Are all of the remaining RoF planes scheduled for conversion to FC or only some?

- DH2
- Sopwith Pup
- Sopwith Strutter

- Fokker E.III
- Albatros D.III
- Roland C.II
 

[PaulTheSalty]

Not sure about the status of #1.

 

For #2, the last I saw from the development team stated that all of the aircraft on your list above are planned for FCV4. Should be developed 2024.

 

Here it is from the source: 

https://il2sturmovik.com/news/790/update-5101-fc-volii-spitfire-mkxive-free-typhoon-/

[LukeFF]

From what I understand, yes, it will be the same map, as it was in RoF.

[EAF19_Marsh]

9 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

From what I understand, yes, it will be the same map, as it was in RoF.

 

Sorry, being dumb here. So FC 1 and FC 2 are the 1918 lines but FC 3 is earlier, or all three are Spring 1918?

[LukeFF]

2 minutes ago, EAF19_Marsh said:

Sorry, being dumb here. So FC 1 and FC 2 are the 1918 lines but FC 3 is earlier, or all three are Spring 1918?

 

I believe all three are the same Spring 1918 frontlines. So, yes, one map like RoF.

[PatrickAWlson]

OK, so one map and all RoF planes planned to be ported over time.  Thanks.

[EAF19_Marsh]

7 minutes ago, PatrickAWlson said:

OK, so one map and all RoF planes planned to be ported over time.  Thanks.

 

Any modders looking at this....?

[Trooper117]

We need the Channel Map for a Belgian career do we not?...

[PatrickAWlson]

24 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

We need the Channel Map for a Belgian career do we not?...

 

They fit in the north part of the map.  I already have them in PWCG.

[Varibraun]

3 minutes ago, PatrickAWlson said:

They fit in the north part of the map.  I already have them in PWCG.

 

@Trooper117 Yep...my main PWCG WWI campaign pilot right now is flying Camels in the Belgian squadron.  Thank you Pat! 

[senseispcc]

Yes, there was such a "chanel" map in the original game "ROF" (sorry I lost it) a that covered from the south coast of England to the north coast of Belgium, if I remembre   correctly! One day maybe in this game also! It is nearly there with the Normandy map. Even if the old map was smaller. 

[PatrickAWlson]

18 minutes ago, senseispcc said:

Yes, there was such a "chanel" map in the original game "ROF" (sorry I lost it) a that covered from the south coast of England to the north coast of Belgium, if I remembre   correctly! One day maybe in this game also! It is nearly there with the Normandy map. Even if the old map was smaller. 

 

One oddity of the RoF channel map and the western front map is that they overlapped.  This was a PITA from a campaign code perspective.  I wrote PWCG for RoF such that plane flying from an airfield on both maps would 50-50 get a mission generated on one or the other.  I'm not missing having to account for that  

[Jaegermeister]

9 hours ago, PatrickAWlson said:

What the title says.  Will FC3 have the same map as FC2 or will the map be form an earlier era.  I am guessing it will  be the same because (could be wrong) I believe that the trench lines as depicted in FC2 are really early 1916 trench lines and not 1917.

 

My understanding is that the FCIII map will add the middle section to the existing 2 maps to connect them, and the NW and SE maps will stay the same as they currently are. 

[Trooper117]

We still need the Channel map though... they gave us the Gotha, and those chaps need to fly over the Channel and terrorise the local population, and us sturdy British types need to be waiting to shoot the blighters down.

[PatrickAWlson]

13 hours ago, Jaegermeister said:

My understanding is that the FCIII map will add the middle section to the existing 2 maps to connect them, and the NW and SE maps will stay the same as they currently are. 

 

If it fills in the middle section then that is kind of a big deal.  At the moment only about half of the squadrons that I modeled in RoF are present in FC.  Having the map fleshed out would allow me (force me, really) to bring in almost all of them.  That in turn means skin lots of squadron rotations, lots of skins that need to be developed, etc.  I hope that is the case.  

[LukeFF]

Yes, the plan is to have the same map area as the RoF map. 

 

Also, I asked about the front lines, and the response is that they are a blend of 1917-18. 

[PatrickAWlson]

1 hour ago, LukeFF said:

Yes, the plan is to have the same map area as the RoF map. 

 

Also, I asked about the front lines, and the response is that they are a blend of 1917-18. 

 

IMHO that's fine.  I keep the lines static until April 1918 when I start moving them.  I keep the shape about right but cannot do the distances accurately.  Also fine.  It gives the impression movement and makes the player deal with not having the mud as a firm point of reference.

 

If it was going to be 100% accurate the no mans land mud would have to expand as the various offensives moved the front a bit.  For a flight sim where you want to give the impression of a static front for years with movement in the last six months, the full map works fine.

[Gambit21]

On 11/18/2023 at 11:00 AM, Trooper117 said:

We need the Channel Map for a Belgian career do we not?...

 

Float planes

[PatrickAWlson]

24 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

 

Float planes

Yeah, but for that we need float planes too  

[Gambit21]

31 minutes ago, PatrickAWlson said:

Yeah, but for that we need float planes too  

Exactly

 

[Jaegermeister]

2 hours ago, PatrickAWlson said:

 

IMHO that's fine.  I keep the lines static until April 1918 when I start moving them.  I keep the shape about right but cannot do the distances accurately.  Also fine.  It gives the impression movement and makes the player deal with not having the mud as a firm point of reference.

 

If it was going to be 100% accurate the no mans land mud would have to expand as the various offensives moved the front a bit.  For a flight sim where you want to give the impression of a static front for years with movement in the last six months, the full map works fine.

 

The lines would be fine with no-man's line as is until the end of the war if they could do away with the automatic artillery explosions or have them selectable. I asked if that could happen before the FCII map was finished and was told it was too much reprogramming.

[LukeFF]

9 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

We still need the Channel map though... they gave us the Gotha, and those chaps need to fly over the Channel and terrorise the local population, and us sturdy British types need to be waiting to shoot the blighters down.

 

The word from on high is there are no plans to bring over the Channel map from RoF. 

[ST_Catchov]

53 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

The word from on high is there are no plans to bring over the Channel map from RoF. 

 

You don't understand Luke. There is a reason why we need the Channel map.

 

[PatrickAWlson]

@ST_Catchov If ya can't get em to build carriers one way, try another?  

[sevenless]

On 11/18/2023 at 5:31 PM, PatrickAWlson said:

What the title says.  Will FC3 have the same map as FC2 or will the map be form an earlier era.  I am guessing it will  be the same because (could be wrong) I believe that the trench lines as depicted in FC2 are really early 1916 trench lines and not 1917.

 

As for the map of FC III. IIRC this one "Reims" sector will come with it, as I understood it. I´m pretty sure it will be the same for 1917 and 1918 timeline. Havent heard anything else.

 

A look around Flying Circus’ Western Front 1918 map – Stormbirds

 

[Trooper117]

Oh well, we have the Gotha, but we can't use it to do one of it's main missions... that shows they really have no desire in the future for the WWI scene... and here we were, hoping they might want to extend the only main cash cow to make them money until the new stuff turns up.

Let's hope all of us into WWI continue to throw money at them for FC4 pre order eh?

 

[Enceladus828]

17 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

The word from on high is there are no plans to bring over the Channel map from RoF. 

But are there plans to bring over the Tarnopol map from RoF? It would be a real bummer if we don’t have any more maps in FC other than the Western Front. I would love to fly on the Eastern Front of WW1 in the Sikorsky S-22, absolutely loved that plane in RoF!

[ZachariasX]

15 hours ago, sevenless said:

As for the map of FC III. IIRC this one "Reims" sector will come with it, as I understood it. I´m pretty sure it will be the same for 1917 and 1918 timeline. Havent heard anything else.

It is actually funny that we get maps that show mainly scenery on the Entente side of the front, but actually back then, the Entente was on the offensive flying over the German side... Yes, never mind London.

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, Enceladus828 said:

But are there plans to bring over the Tarnopol map from RoF? It would be a real bummer if we don’t have any more maps in FC other than the Western Front. I would love to fly on the Eastern Front of WW1 in the Sikorsky S-22, absolutely loved that plane in RoF!

 

There are no plans for Tarnopol either right now, but I will try to confirm that either way.

[Monksilver]

20 hours ago, LukeFF said:

 

The word from on high is there are no plans to bring over the Channel map from RoF. 

 

"It is a bad plan that cannot be changed." Sun Tzu, The Art of War.