The status of the yet-to-be-announced title

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

30 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

Which boxes does it not check?

[danielprates]

1 hour ago, Trooper117 said:

I have a crystal ball, as it glows and the mists swirl, slowly but surely an image forms... wait!...

I see it now, letters are forming, it's telling me, it's telling me to...'' is Russia, bugger offski'' 

 

Be freaking careful, should it be a palantir and not a crystal ball. You never know who's on the other side, watching. Could be War Thunder's people!

[Gambit21]

14 minutes ago, RNAS10_Mitchell said:

Which boxes does it not check?

The biggest one is one I have to withhold comment on. From purely a logic standpoint, again I can’t see them tackling Japanese aircraft at this juncture, not to mention the relative obscurity/marketability of Manchuria. 
 

Also keep in mind that “we already have the aircraft” (from a Russian standpoint) goes in the negative checkbox column for a new module, not the positive column. 
 

They’re going to offer planes we haven’t seen yet, to the extent possible. They’ve already eluded to this.
 

So the “the team is really excited” checkbox - can’t see it.

 

A theater being widely recognized with wide appeal/marketability is essential, especially new producer, best chance of success etc.etc

 

 

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

16 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

The biggest one is one I have to withhold comment on. From purely a logic standpoint, again I can’t see them tackling Japanese aircraft at this juncture, not to mention the relative obscurity/marketability of Manchuria. 
 

Also keep in mind that “we already have the aircraft” (from a Russian standpoint) goes in the negative checkbox column for a new module, not the positive column. 
 

They’re going to offer planes we haven’t seen yet, to the extent possible. They’ve already eluded to this.
 

So the “the team is really excited” checkbox - can’t see it.

 

A theater being widely recognized with wide appeal/marketability is essential, especially new producer, best chance of success etc.etc

 

 

"The biggest one is one I have to withhold comment on."

 

** Irrelevant

 

"From purely a logic standpoint, again I can’t see them tackling Japanese aircraft at this juncture, not to mention the relative obscurity/marketability of Manchuria. "

 

** Why would they not model Japanese aircraft that were involved in Japanese vs Russia Air battles?  I'd wager the Russians captured a few, and likely had wrecks to study. Marketability?  Well wouldn't be the first time the produced content that had its primary appeal to the Russian market.

 

"Also keep in mind that “we already have the aircraft” (from a Russian standpoint) goes in the negative checkbox column for a new module, not the positive column. "

 

**  I didn't mean your personal check boxes.  I'm talking about the developers check boxes.
 

"They’re going to offer planes we haven’t seen yet, to the extent possible. They’ve already eluded to this."

 

** Yep..Japanese planes and Russian planes and variants weve not seen yet certainly fit that box.  We've already seen that variants to existing planes qualifies as a "new" plane in the developers minds.
 

"So the “the team is really excited” checkbox - can’t see it."

 

** What could be more exciting to the team than a theater were Russian planes enjoyed much success in WW2?

 

"A theater being widely recognized with wide appeal/marketability is essential, especially new producer, best chance of success etc.etc"

 

** Best chance of success?  Ok, thought we were discussing what they will actually do, not whether it is a good move or not?   

[ghostrider44]

Do we know if anyone has already had the correct answer on the next theater of operation in this discussion ?

[Gambit21]

27 minutes ago, ghostrider44 said:

Do we know if anyone has already had the correct answer on the next theater of operation in this discussion ?

Aye 

 

 

[BraveSirRobin]

3 hours ago, RNAS10_Mitchell said:

Which boxes does it not check?

The “does anyone actually care about this battle” one.

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

14 hours ago, BraveSirRobin said:

The “does anyone actually care about this battle” one.

That hasn't stopped them from producing some of the  previous modules has it?  

 

But nevertheless,  I'm sure there's people who would be thrilled to fly some Japanese planes. Others will want the Russian planes.

[BraveSirRobin]

2 minutes ago, RNAS10_Mitchell said:

That hasn't stopped them from producing some of the  previous modules has it?

Yeah, then they learned their lesson and started pumping out P-51s and D9s

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

3 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

Yeah, then they learned their lesson and started pumping out P-51s and D9s

 

So you're convinced they won't return to thier roots ever again based upon that....

 

It's possible...but.......  I'd not count on it.

[BraveSirRobin]

14 hours ago, RNAS10_Mitchell said:

That hasn't stopped them from producing some of the  previous modules has it?  

 

But nevertheless,  I'm sure there's people who would be thrilled to fly some Japanese planes. Others will want the Russian planes.

Sure there will, but absolutely no one is interested in flying late Russian planes against late Japanese planes.  It was a meaningless fight that no one cares about.  It would be a financial disaster.  I’ll buy damned near anything they sell and I might not buy that.

14 hours ago, RNAS10_Mitchell said:

So you're convinced they won't return to thier roots ever again based upon that....

 

It's possible...but.......  I'd not count on it.

I could definitely see them doing late war Russian aircraft, but no chance that it’s against Japan.

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

5 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

Sure there will, but absolutely no one is interested in flying late Russian planes against late Japanese planes.  It was a meaningless fight that no one cares about.  It would be a financial disaster.  I’ll buy damned near anything they sell and I might not buy that.

Again, not saying I think this is a good choice, or even one I'd be too interested in.  Like everyone else, I'm guessing what it will be. And based on what check boxes they have mentioned,  and past performance,  past battles, this is my guess. 

 

Ps.. I feel the same about Korea.   Not interested. 

Edited October 11, 2023 by RNAS10_Mitchell

[BraveSirRobin]

Just now, RNAS10_Mitchell said:

Again, not saying I think this is a good choice, or even one I'd be too interested in.  Like everyone else, I'm guessing what it will be. And based on what check boxes they have mentioned,  and past performance,  past battles, this is my guess. 

The most important check box is “will it make money”.  That would absolutely not make money.  That would be a financial disaster.

 

I’m not even bothering to guess.  I don’t really care until there is something that I can fly.  If I’m interested, I’ll buy it.  And I don’t really understand why anyone else cares when there is nothing ready to fly.  Let’s assume it’s Korea.  Unless I can jump into a MiG or F-86, so what?  What good does it do me to know that it’s Korea?  I have better things to do with my life than argue about whether that was the best choice.  And I’m pretty sure the devs don’t want to spend their time trying to validate their choice.  They just want to give us some aircraft we can fly while they finish the game.

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

Will it make money is no doubt on the developers check box list.  Will people buy WW2 Japanese planes?  I think so.  

[Gambit21]

1 minute ago, RNAS10_Mitchell said:

Will it make money is no doubt on the developers check box list.  Will people buy WW2 Japanese planes?  I think so.  

 

Yes they will...when PTO rolls around.

[BraveSirRobin]

2 minutes ago, RNAS10_Mitchell said:

Will it make money is no doubt on the developers check box list.  Will people buy WW2 Japanese planes?  I think so.  

To fight against Russian aircraft?  Not a chance.  Financial disaster.

[Guest deleted@83466]

2 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

To fight against Russian aircraft?  Not a chance.  Financial disaster.

 

What have you become BSR, a marketing expert? 
 

Just Kidding?

[BraveSirRobin]

Just now, SeaSerpent said:

 

What have you become BSR, a marketing expert? 
 

Just Kidding?

It doesn’t take an expert to know that Manchuria would be a disaster.  It just requires a pulse.

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

13 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

Yes they will...when PTO rolls around.

Sure, but plenty would buy them today if they could.  Multiplayer would utilize immediately  imo

13 hours ago, BraveSirRobin said:

To fight against Russian aircraft?  Not a chance.  Financial disaster.

Ohh?   Based upon what?   Besides, multiplayer opportunities would include p40, p47. P51, etc..

[BraveSirRobin]

1 minute ago, RNAS10_Mitchell said:

Ohh?   Based upon what?   Besides, multiplayer opportunities would include p40, p47. P51, etc..

Based on the fact that it was a meaningless battle that no one gives a crap about.

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

13 hours ago, BraveSirRobin said:

Based on the fact that it was a meaningless battle that no one gives a crap about.

No one?   Even if that were correct.your ignoring the multiplayer market.  Mission creators would be all over this with whatever plane sets they felt appropriate. 

 

But maybe we just need another 109 variant?

[Guest deleted@83466]

2 minutes ago, RNAS10_Mitchell said:

No one?   Even if that were correct.your ignoring the multiplayer market.  Mission creators would be all over this with whatever plane sets they felt appropriate. 

I doubt he is ignoring the multiplayer market.  He is almost exclusively Multiplayer.

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

Just now, SeaSerpent said:

I doubt he is ignoring the multiplayer market.  He is almost exclusively Multiplayer.

I meant intellectually ignoring it.  Jeesh, keep up man.  ?

[Guest deleted@83466]

1 minute ago, RNAS10_Mitchell said:

I meant intellectually ignoring it.  Jeesh, keep up man.  ?

 

I dare you to get in a rhetorical battle with me, LoL ?

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

Sorry, I don't fight with the unarmed.  It's just not right..? Good night guys..

Edited October 11, 2023 by RNAS10_Mitchell

[BraveSirRobin]

1 minute ago, RNAS10_Mitchell said:

No one?   Even if that were correct.your ignoring the multiplayer market.  Mission creators would be all over this with whatever plane sets they felt appropriate. 

 

But maybe we just need another 109 variant?

I’m not ignoring anything.  Getting a few MP guys to buy a game that no one else cares about would be a financial disasters.  And I prefer MP.  They need both MP and SP players.  They probably need a better marketing slogan than “we know you don’t care about the map or most of the aircraft, but imagine how fun it will be to fly on mp against other aircraft you may not have bought”.

[Lusekofte]

Well except from a few interesting bombers and upcoming collector planes Luftwaffe is covered pretty good. 
with that in mind the only new thing coming must be improved Luftwaffe airplanes in such degree it feels new. If Germany is in this new thing. Italy would bring along new axis planes. But claimed a not to be. Then if Luftwaffe is involved. We talk about Emils and A and B. Heiskel and French or Polish or Soviet early or pre war versions. 
Thinking this way Korea is not far fetch. I am a SWC , Finnish winter war, Battle of poland and battle of France kind of guy. I would prefer it before Korea. I prefer Italy before Korea. 
I prefer costal command operations before Korea. But first and fire most I prefer it done with an improved game engine. I am not sure I buy new things myself with current stuff. 

[EAF19_Marsh]

13 hours ago, BraveSirRobin said:

It doesn’t take an expert to know that Manchuria would be a disaster.  It just requires a pulse.

You are now doing exactly what you slapped me down for saying a page or so back.

 

C’mon, dude.

[Trooper117]

13 hours ago, RNAS10_Mitchell said:

Not saying I like this direction,  just that it seems one of the more likely scenarios.

 

Nowhere near the mark old chum... try looking at theatres beginning with er, K...

[=gRiJ=Roman-]

To keep it short ... I have ZERO interest in Korea. I really hope this is not the new one ... because then, I will move to the Pacific with Combat Pilot.

[Chief_Mouser]

Well, I've acknowledged my ban just so I can post in this thread.

Because of the political climate I think that...

• their main market may now be Russia
• thus whatever they are producing will have Russian planes in it
• it will not be a scenario where Russia comes off second best
• no carriers

So you can forget:

• Western Front
• Mediterranean
• Biscay
• Pacific
• Burma
• Barbarossa
• Winter War

Which doesn't leave a lot:

• Late-war Russo-Japanese 'Liberation War'; all one month of it
• Korea; as already mentioned countless times

and my preferred guesses

• Bagration
• Berlin 1945
• Murmansk 1941

The only scenario of interest to me there is Murmansk. 

And now I'll crawl back under my rock and post no more. ?

 

Cheers all!?

Edited October 13, 2023 by Chief_Mouser

[Avimimus]

@BraveSirRobin @RNAS10_Mitchell - This seems to be getting a bit personal. You two seem to be handling it well so far, but we can't allow personal attacks - so be aware that you are coming pretty close to the line. Also, remember - it doesn't matter who started it, if people start to mutually exchange insults we apply the rules to everyone who violates them. We can't have flame wars obviously, they tend to burn the whole house down  That said, if you guys want to challenge each other to a virtual duel in MP... I'll be happy to help organise it.

 

[ZachariasX]

It's quiet obvious: it will be "The Battle of Switzerland"

 

Here, not seven, not eight, neither nine, but lo and behold TEN reasons for this as the topic of the not yet annouced announcement:

1. Planes we absolutely lack: Bf-109D and 109E3. The Bf-109G will be added as a collector item, but as as non-flyable static item, as this reflects the reality. It would also differentiate itself from the Bf-109G6 we already have. Serioulsly, there's players here that would buy any Bf-109 they don't have already. Let's cater them.
2. Most popular loadout of the planes: None have armour. I mean, case closed, right? No armour to the 109 is what are the electrolytes to Gatorade. Everything the player needs!
3. Most important duel of all time: Bf-110C vs. Bf-109D / Bf-109E3
4. Plenty of crappy aircraft for people who totally like that: Morane D-3800 for the ones who only dig "slightly" crappy planes, but for the one of pure crap, the is the C-35 (ground attacker for REAL men with tungsten balls plus a designated volunteer in the back), the Dewoitine D-27 (that by plain looks shows not having a place in the whole affair) and the Fokker C-V for the ones who totally dig daylight missions with the U-2VS.
5. Bombers: He-111D, Do-17Z-3, plus all kind of American hardware that made it that far. One could add British crates, but since there was nothing to fight them at night with on the Swiss side, that is something best done in MSFS.
6. Most important: Bomber careers are absolutely survivable! 7.7mm was usually the caliber of choice and only the Morane and the 109E3 had a 20 mm. Hence, a common complaint of players flying bombers is adressed to the fullest extent. In case of American bombers, the missions have to be started in an already shot up state, otherwise the game is too easy for the bombers. (Just think of that!)
7. Switzerland is small, hence a small map and 1940's topography is available in detail for free.
8. The map is also scenic in many places, a common complaint about the Rhineland map or the Russian steppe in general.
9. Also, most planes on the Swiss side don't have a radio, taking care of that constant awful chatter in the game otherwise.
10. Game performance: There's hardly any ground units to model except cows and road/rail traffic, which frees up CPU overhead. Just make sure the trains are on schedule, otherwise the landscpe will produce a somewhat disturbing experience.

The battle as such lasted two months with a considerable number of casualties, with an outcome comparable to the Battle of Britain, namely the assailant leaving due to achieving nothing and essentially being busy otherwise. but on the whole, it would go on until German surrender.

 

I know @Han is a sensible, far sighted person and has known all about that and acted accordingly. Korea? Best argument contained like five reasons or so, the rest of the suggestions way less than that. Pffft.

 

I am well aware that keeping people from knowing what you did is also a defense. In that sense, we, the Swiss, are unbeatable. And here, it is obvious that even interested persons are oblivious of history. But maybe I can do something against that. At least here.

Edited October 11, 2023 by ZachariasX

[MAJ_stug41]

1 hour ago, Trooper117 said:

 

Nowhere near the mark old chum... try looking at theatres beginning with er, K...

K...urland? ?

[MAJ_stug41]

I hope it isnt korea...

 

 

 

[Bonnot]

1 hour ago, stug41 said:

Nowhere near the mark old chum... try looking at theatres beginning with er, K...

 

KIRCHBERG,  KONITZ, and KERZERS  .....all three in Swwitzerland and famous battlefields near BERN  Airbase  ?

[MAJ_stug41]

11 minutes ago, Bonnot said:

 

KIRCHBERG,  KONITZ, and KERZERS  .....all three in Swwitzerland and famous battlefields near BERN  Airbase  ?

https://youtu.be/fBQUjEhoMlM?si=MAJK74OAolGgcfQF

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

1 hour ago, stug41 said:

https://youtu.be/fBQUjEhoMlM?si=MAJK74OAolGgcfQF

What planes do you think would be included?  Mountain map would be awesome imo.

[LukeFF]

[Art-J]

3 hours ago, stug41 said:

I hope it isnt korea...

 

 

 

Wait a minute! This forum does actually have a dark theme??? Where / how can I set it? That might be the most useful info I can get out of this thread.