The end of RoF?

[baldeagle611]

I see that posts regarding Rise of Flight are being moved to this site now. There's no mention of it in the tabs above either.

Is this an indication that this product is going to be discontinued soon?

 

It would be a terrible shame if this was the case, as I never got a chance to really get into it. I also purchased all the planes and other downloadable content for it. So:

If that's what's going to happen, are those purchases transferrable to the Flying Circus product, and

Are you offering a discount on the new game for those who purchased RoF?

 

 

[Trooper117]

15 minutes ago, baldeagle611 said:

Are you offering a discount on the new game for those who purchased RoF?

 

No new content for RoF for years now, and like most of the RoF fans I purchased everything as well.

But time moves on and nothing lasts forever.

There is no discount for FC just because you bought RoF.

[LukeFF]

Have a look here, @baldeagle611: 

 

Development of RoF ceased a few years ago in favor of Flying Circus development, but everything that was made remains available for purchase.

 

[baldeagle611]

23 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

 

No new content for RoF for years now, and like most of the RoF fans I purchased everything as well.

But time moves on and nothing lasts forever.

There is no discount for FC just because you bought RoF.

Oh. I had no idea.

Ok, so are the planes etc. transferrable then?

 

[Trooper117]

4 hours ago, baldeagle611 said:

Ok, so are the planes etc. transferrable then?

 

I'm afraid they aren't mate... you have to buy the whole lot again as they get released.

FC1 and FC2 are released at this present time, plus FC3 has just gone on pre order... at sometime next year FC4 will end up on pre order and that means most of the planes from RoF will then be available but not all.

Also at present time, 2 sections of the western front map are available... plus the in game career has not long been released but it is pretty limited as not all the planes from RoF are available. The Channel Map from RoF has not been mentioned as ever being available in FC4.

Yes, it's a bit of a mess, but it's slowly getting there... on a plus note however, they have introduced two collector planes for purchase that were not in the original RoF... The Snipe and the SSW D.IV...

Edited August 1, 2023 by Trooper117

[baldeagle611]

Ok. What a waste of money.

 

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[Barkhorn1x]

On 8/3/2023 at 2:27 PM, baldeagle611 said:

Ok. What a waste of money.

 

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Ummm...you can still play RoF.

[Trooper117]

51 minutes ago, Barkhorn1x said:

Ummm...you can still play RoF.

 

Yes, he can... at this moment in time, between the two, RoF is the better game. It has more aeroplanes, which in turn gives the player a much better career.

FC is getting better (slowly) but it gives the user better eye candy... but nicer graphics isn't everything.

[TG-55Panthercules]

Indeed - RoF still holds up very well considering its age.  If it had VR support I'd still be playing it (especially for the seaplanes), but I just can't gin up any enthusiasm for flying on a monitor since I got my VR headset so I stick with Flying Circus.

[Guest deleted@219798]

VR isn't everything just like eye candy. I suppose as long as 777 is still selling planes it'll still be possible to log in and fly career missions.

[BraveSirRobin]

On 8/3/2023 at 2:27 PM, baldeagle611 said:

Ok. What a waste of money.

 

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Best money I ever spent on a flight sim.

[BraveSirRobin]

Sorry I missed your response, Al.  But I’m sure it was profound.  @Cynic_Al

[fuite67]

Hello there,

I'm new in ROF since this summer. I just notice today the old ROF forum is gone... Actually I discovered IL2 a little after ROF and I agree the price is really high.

Something I don't understand is why the creation of new flying planes is locked in ROF (because the code is secret) and why it is possible in IL2 1946 ?

Is it a deliberate politic to kill by slow death ROF so WWI fans will move to IL2 Flying Circus ?

Edited September 27, 2023 by fuite67

[TG-55Panthercules]

They announced the closure of the old RoF forum several months ago, and kept it open for longer than they originally wanted to so we could move some of the best stuff over to this forum before the shut-down.  It finally was closed down earlier this week.  There had naturally been a decline in the amount of traffic on the old RoF forum over the years since development of RoF ceased, and it was no longer cost-effective to maintain a separate forum just for RoF when there was now a dedicated RoF subsection on the IL2-GB / Flying Circus forum.

 

There's nothing sinister going on here.  RoF is still alive and can still be played, just like it has been since development ceased several years ago and the dev team turned their efforts towards its successor, IL-2 Great Battles/Flying Circus.  The underlying code for RoF was largely incorporated or used as the basis for the IL-2 GB/Flying Circus successor, so it would be difficult if not impossible for the devs to open up the RoF code without jeopardizing the successor project(s).  Of course, the devs hope and expect that most WWI fans will make the leap from RoF to Flying Circus at some point.  Many already have (for the VR support and/or the new planes that weren't in RoF or the various other improved aspects of the IL-2 GB/FC engine), and many others presumably will over time as additional volumes of FC are released and FC catches up more to the RoF stable of planes.  This has all been explained in the past, but since you are so new to the game it doesn't hurt to go over it again.  

[fuite67]

Thank you.

But what about IL2 1946 ? The engine is older than ROF and so they don't care about a open developpement because the new IL2 is so much better ?

[AOB]

iL-2 1946 is still alive and being modded. Check out sas1946.com. 

[JGr2/J5_Klugermann]

On 8/6/2023 at 4:16 PM, TG-55Panthercules said:

Indeed - RoF still holds up very well considering its age.  If it had VR support I'd still be playing it (especially for the seaplanes), but I just can't gin up any enthusiasm for flying on a monitor since I got my VR headset so I stick with Flying Circus.

 

 I think I will remain a flat earther....just can't envision my head bobbing around like Stevie Wonder.

 

Edited September 28, 2023 by J5_Klugermann

[TG-55Panthercules]

9 hours ago, fuite67 said:

Thank you.

But what about IL2 1946 ? The engine is older than ROF and so they don't care about a open developpement because the new IL2 is so much better ?

Different game, different dev team.  And not being used as the basis for an ongoing commercial product development effort, so apples and oranges.

[Olsby]

I still play RoF

I have a question though about flying circus; do you need all of them, or will e.g flying circus 3 also give me the content from FC 1 and 2 ?

[LukeFF]

49 minutes ago, Olsby said:

I still play RoF

I have a question though about flying circus; do you need all of them, or will e.g flying circus 3 also give me the content from FC 1 and 2 ?

 

Any of the modules will give you the same map, as well as the associated single missions and quick mission templates designed for the planes in the module you purchased. 

 

Each module stands on its own, so if you want every flyable plane you'd need to buy all three of them. 

[Olsby]

@LukeFF Ok, thank you, I suspected that was the case

[JediMaster]

I don't know how many remember, but back when FCv1 was announced, there was a brief preorder window where owners of ROF planes were given a loyalty discount.

So if you had X number of planes it was a small discount, X+Y planes a bigger discount, something like that, with the max discount for people who had the majority of ROF's stuff in their account.

 

This was the summer of 2018.

 

So anyone who came to ROF or FCv1 later than that, you missed the boat. They did do it, just not maybe when you were able to take advantage of it.

 

[WitchyWoman]

It is far from dead,

 

I have had all the ROF content for several years and because of several shortcomings  in Flying Circus, find it more enjoyable so I  will get a lot of use out of it for several years more.

 

 

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

5 hours ago, WitchyWoman said:

It is far from dead,

 

 

Only multiplayer is dead also game patches or updates. Single player as you said is fine and with mods very good.

[CB77Don246]

Just returned to ROF with a lot of mods and PWC it was one hell of a lot of fun after FC long live ROF for me has so much to offer.

[WitchyWoman]

10 hours ago, CB77Don246 said:

Just returned to ROF with a lot of mods and PWC it was one hell of a lot of fun after FC long live ROF for me has so much to offer.

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[=J18=Manfred_Schultz]

Well, just as an Idea I just had, I think it would be great that the DEVs let all the RoF planes for free, I mean almost nobody buy planes nowadays because everybody is in FC, so if RoF is officially dead why not to let all the planes free. (as i said before it's just an idea, let me know what do you think about it)
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[Zooropa_Fly]

The whole game should have been packaged up for a tenner... about 3 years ago. 

[Avimimus]

I disagree. It is still a good product, and despite its flaws (noticeably the AI), it is still generations ahead of other WWI sims (than Flying Circus). It hasn't really decreased in value, except for the release of FC providing a newer alternative.

 

I think it'd actually make sense to finish converting all of the aircraft to FC, and have RoF be a free bonus for anyone who purchases the entire FC line of products... that would feel reasonable to me. If not, I feel like RoF could actually be sold at a slightly higher price (about half of FC).

 

[ACG_Bobo]

I Just re-installed it on my new machine yesterday.  Haven't played it since FC came out.  I'm a 100% owner and it works great, doesn't look bad and is FUN!
Just not a whole lot to do as far as community and flying with buddies, most folks have migrated to FC.
Not sure what I'm going to do with it, but it's great to see that it still works on my modern machine.

Edited January 25, 2024 by ACG_Bobo

[jollyjack]

There's tons of mods, see panthercules' posts, use jsgme when installing and have fun. And that Muromets flying bus is great as is that flyin boat ...

[Enceladus828]

I hope that devs or Ugra reconsider and decide to make the Channel and Tarnopol maps, especially the former, for FC4 and FC5. Although they never stated that they would rebuild all of RoF, to me it doesn't make sense to rebuild RoF in the GBs engine with the goal of making it just as good as RoF at the very least only to stop at just the Western Front map. A major reason for FC was the request for VR in WW1 planes and now those who cannot go back from VR have no hope of flying the Felixstowe and S-22 or on those respective maps anytime soon. FC1 was done as an experiment to see if there was an appetite for WW1 which there was and thus we've gotten 2 more volumes. Stands to reason there would be also an appetite for the Channel, Tarnopol and maps not in RoF like the Italian Front to be added to FC. 

 

If, pretty much the last word on FC, let alone WW1 in IL-2 GBs, is adding the remaining Western front land-planes then I'd say it's best to give the RoF code to modders and have them improve it and add more content like with IL-2 1946; the GBs code is likely so different from the RoF code that the latter can be given away.

[BraveSirRobin]

1 hour ago, Enceladus828 said:

I hope that devs or Ugra reconsider and decide to make the Channel and Tarnopol maps, especially the former, for FC4 and FC5. Although they never stated that they would rebuild all of RoF, to me it doesn't make sense to rebuild RoF in the GBs engine with the goal of making it just as good as RoF at the very least only to stop at just the Western Front map. A major reason for FC was the request for VR in WW1 planes and now those who cannot go back from VR have no hope of flying the Felixstowe and S-22 or on those respective maps anytime soon. FC1 was done as an experiment to see if there was an appetite for WW1 which there was and thus we've gotten 2 more volumes. Stands to reason there would be also an appetite for the Channel, Tarnopol and maps not in RoF like the Italian Front to be added to FC. 

 

If, pretty much the last word on FC, let alone WW1 in IL-2 GBs, is adding the remaining Western front land-planes then I'd say it's best to give the RoF code to modders and have them improve it and add more content like with IL-2 1946; the GBs code is likely so different from the RoF code that the latter can be given away.

Have you bought any of the FC modules?

[Enceladus828]

1 hour ago, BraveSirRobin said:

Have you bought any of the FC modules?

Well no, but you've bought the 3 modules and I'll probably get FC4 because it has aircraft I really like and I'll definitely get a module with planes that weren't in RoF or a map that's not the Western Front map. As Pat Wilson said: "You might not buy it. I might not buy it. Doesn't mean there are no customers for it."

[BraveSirRobin]

20 minutes ago, Enceladus828 said:

Well no

lol.  

30 minutes ago, Enceladus828 said:

I'll definitely get a module with planes that weren't in RoF 

So you own the SS and Snipe?

[Enceladus828]

46 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

So you own the SS and Snipe?

Lol, I said that I'll get a module with planes that weren't in RoF. The SS and Snipe are individual Collectors, not part of a FC module. 

 

As I told you before, your claims that adding the Channel map, Tarnopol map and Italian Front map to FC would lead to financial ruin are unsubstantiated and lack any merit

Edited January 26, 2024 by Enceladus828

[Zooropa_Fly]

There were performance issues with the Channel map.

Not just in-game, but it was unusable for me in the ME - everything moves at quarter speed.

 

Sod that and Tarnopol - we need the ISLAND back !!

[BraveSirRobin]

11 hours ago, Enceladus828 said:

 

As I told you before, your claims that adding the Channel map, Tarnopol map and Italian Front map to FC would lead to financial ruin are unsubstantiated and lack any merit

Actually, the fact that there are no plans to add the Channel, Tanopol, or an Italian map give my belief that they would result in financial ruin lots of merit.  Unless you’re willing to pay about $10,000 per map.  And so far your spending on FC products appears to be $0.  So I’m not sure that they can count on you.

[Enceladus828]

55 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

Actually, the fact that there are no plans to add the Channel, Tanopol, or an Italian map give my belief that they would result in financial ruin lots of merit.

Says the person who declares an IL-2 GBs Battle of Britain and Tobruk would sell very well and has been coveting them since 2018... quite possibly longer.

 

55 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said:

And so far your spending on FC products appears to be $0.  So I’m not sure that they can count on you.

"You might not buy it. I might not buy it. Doesn't mean there are no customers for it."

 

They've gotten up to FC3 without me so with that there were customers for FC1-FC3 to happen and there will be customers for the 3 maps in question.

Edited January 26, 2024 by Enceladus828

[BraveSirRobin]

11 minutes ago, Enceladus828 said:

Says the person who declares an IL-2 GBs Battle of Britain and Tobruk would sell very well and has been coveting them since 2018... quite possibly longer.

 

Yeah?  If the next gen of BoX can handle large formations of bombers then IL2 BoB would absolutely sell very well.  No doubt about it.

 

14 minutes ago, Enceladus828 said:

there will be customers for the 3 maps in question.

No, there won’t. They already have sales data for the Channel map.  And there are NO plans to port it into FC.  That tells you  everything you need to know about how they think it will sell.