E69_julian57 Posted May 25, 2023 Author Posted May 25, 2023 Spoiler https://www.mediafire.com/file/6s98smjt1wutphw/Bf109G6AS_StabJG6_GREEN+1.dds/file 11 4 3
1CGS LukeFF Posted May 25, 2023 1CGS Posted May 25, 2023 Regarding JG 6 Bf 109s: I remain skeptical that any of their planes carried the red/white/red Reich Defense band that shows up in these profiles. Nothing has been shown that Barkhorn's Dora-9 carried such markings, and I've not seen any original photos of their 109s that show them with such markings. Of course, this has no bearing at all on Julian's work - it's awesome, as always. 1
MiGCap Posted May 25, 2023 Posted May 25, 2023 But Barkhorn's Dora looks so much better with the red-white-red band ... too much research spoils the story – old reporter's wisdom ... Just joking. 1
Yankee_One Posted May 26, 2023 Posted May 26, 2023 Yes, a little bit more paint does not hurt? this not a hardcore sim. 1
sevenless Posted May 26, 2023 Posted May 26, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Yankee_One said: Yes, a little bit more paint does not hurt? this not a hardcore sim. Regardless of being "hardcore" or not. A short google search tells me that I wouldn´t go so far and say having a Reichsverteidigungsband is unlikely for Jagdgeschwader 6. AFAIK Eduard based both of its G14/AS schemes on original photography of planes shot down 1st January 1945. There is artistic licence going on however. Green 1 at Thwente: also featured in one of Eric Mombeeks books: Spoiler and yellow 19 at Groesbeek (Schwerdtfeger) as found in Manhro "Bodenplatte": and Koglers Fw 190 A9 in the same book: Spoiler Edited May 26, 2023 by sevenless 2 1 1
Yankee_One Posted May 26, 2023 Posted May 26, 2023 (edited) I own this model kit from Eduard, that s why i have chosen this profile Edited May 26, 2023 by Yankee_One 1
David_4555 Posted May 26, 2023 Posted May 26, 2023 I think artistic freedom is always welcome. We will never be able to replicate the real schemes 100% correctly anyway. Might as well take some creative liberties instead of making compromises for the sake of realism. Although when creative liberties are taken, I think it should be stated.
E69_julian57 Posted May 26, 2023 Author Posted May 26, 2023 Spoiler https://www.mediafire.com/file/tqjt3ypcex7cmgm/Bf109G6AS_9_JG300_Yellow+13.dds/file 5 5 2
Yankee_One Posted May 28, 2023 Posted May 28, 2023 (edited) Hi Julian, may i ask you kindly for help? Boelcke started to make some skins on the G-6AS too, but he ran into a little problem. Its the triangle on the left side of the fuselage. There is only a white outline visible.The right side is ok. Thank you very much! Btw, as always a fantastic skin, as i mentioned it earlier, i love your work Spoiler Edited May 28, 2023 by Yankee_One
E69_julian57 Posted May 28, 2023 Author Posted May 28, 2023 Hello @Yankee_One The Stencils layer has a problem when trying to place it under another layer, in the template it looks fine, but in the game the C3 triangle border appears on top of the layer that should be underneath. In Boelcke's skin only the triangle border appears, which is strange...? In my case my templates do not have this error, if I do not do what I said above. 1 1
Yankee_One Posted May 29, 2023 Posted May 29, 2023 Hi Julian, thank you for your help. I will forward it to Beolcke. Thank you for taking your time S!
Yankee_One Posted June 1, 2023 Posted June 1, 2023 (edited) Hi Julian, found another one. I do not have any original photos of this plane,. It seems to be a G-10. I have seen this as Green 1 too. I really dont know but i like the profile if you have plans to skin some more. Not necessary to make this one. Thanks Spoiler Edited June 1, 2023 by Yankee_One
Ernie_McCracken Posted June 1, 2023 Posted June 1, 2023 Hi yankee-one, this is also the WNr784930 , a G14AS from JG77 like above from Julian. By the way, JG6 can not be, because the RV-Band is red-white-red. https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-109G/JG77/pages/Messerschmitt-Bf-109G14AS-Erla-I.JG77-Green-1-WNr-784930-lies-abandoned-Twenthe-Germany-1945-01.html https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-109G/JG77/pages/Messerschmitt-Bf-109G14AS-Erla-I.JG77-Green-1-WNr-784930-lies-abandoned-Twenthe-Germany-1945-02.html https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-109G/JG77/pages/Messerschmitt-Bf-109G14AS-Erla-I.JG77-Green-1-WNr-784930-lies-abandoned-Twenthe-Germany-1945-04.html https://www.asisbiz.com/il2/Bf-109G/JG77/pages/Messerschmitt-Bf-109G14AS-Erla-I.JG77-Green-1-WNr-784930-lies-abandoned-Twenthe-Germany-1945-05.html 1
JG7_X-Man Posted June 2, 2023 Posted June 2, 2023 On 5/25/2023 at 11:19 AM, LukeFF said: Regarding JG 6 Bf 109s: I remain skeptical that any of their planes carried the red/white/red Reich Defense band that shows up in these profiles. Nothing has been shown that Barkhorn's Dora-9 carried such markings, and I've not seen any original photos of their 109s that show them with such markings. Of course, this has no bearing at all on Julian's work - it's awesome, as always. Not having seen a photograph of a specific aircraft with a Defense of the Reich band, only means just that! Meaning - we have not seen a photograph of a specific aircraft with a Defense of the Reich band. We can't make an inference that because we have not seen a picture of a of well known and widely used aircraft with a well known and widely used unit paint scheme that such a paint scheme was never used on a certain aircraft; that would be erroneous - as it's more likely that such an lively did exist - statically speaking of course. The Bf 109 was the most widely used Luftwaffe aircraft and the Jagdgeschwader band was used to help distinguish units in combat quickly. Just because we have not seen a picture of a late Bf 109G with the JG 26 Defense of the Reich band doesn't mean the III./JG 26 did not paint the Defense of the Reich band on their aircraft.
1CGS LukeFF Posted June 2, 2023 1CGS Posted June 2, 2023 4 hours ago, JG7_X-Man said: Not having seen a photograph of a specific aircraft with a Defense of the Reich band, only means just that! Meaning - we have not seen a photograph of a specific aircraft with a Defense of the Reich band. We can't make an inference that because we have not seen a picture of a of well known and widely used aircraft with a well known and widely used unit paint scheme that such a paint scheme was never used on a certain aircraft; that would be erroneous - as it's more likely that such an lively did exist - statically speaking of course. The Bf 109 was the most widely used Luftwaffe aircraft and the Jagdgeschwader band was used to help distinguish units in combat quickly. Just because we have not seen a picture of a late Bf 109G with the JG 26 Defense of the Reich band doesn't mean the III./JG 26 did not paint the Defense of the Reich band on their aircraft. Fully agree - trying to properly sort out everything with late-war Luftwaffe aircraft is an extremely difficult task, and often we end up having to rely on circumstantial evidence instead. For instance: JG 52 was assigned a Reich Defense band, but we have no photographic evidence of them ever using said band. Then again, JG 52 was widely photographed, so yeah, it's tough, that's for sure. 1
sevenless Posted July 2, 2023 Posted July 2, 2023 On 6/1/2023 at 10:21 AM, Yankee_One said: Hi Julian, found another one. I do not have any original photos of this plane,. It seems to be a G-10. I have seen this as Green 1 too. I really dont know but i like the profile if you have plans to skin some more. Not necessary to make this one. Thanks Hide contents Interesting alternative. As most of the schemes are interpretations from black/white photography. Who can be absolutely sure that the band really is white/red and not white/green? I wont rule that out. Given the location Twente and the flight path of JG 77 on that 1st jan 1945 it is absolutely possible. And as mentioned above, in theory JG6 "should" have red-white-red band. I guess there are still a few miracles in identification to solve. 2
II./JG27_Rich Posted September 22, 2023 Posted September 22, 2023 (edited) One of my favorites. There is a picture of this one ditched I'll try to find it. Too bad it's a G10 Found it https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53204396117_fe8d44f744_b.jpg Messerschmitt Bf 109G10R3 Erla 6.JG27 Yellow 24 Antonius Woffen WNr 490655 Germany 1945 01 Edited September 22, 2023 by II./JG27_Rich 1
MeoW.Scharfi Posted February 18, 2024 Posted February 18, 2024 A Skin of the JG27 would be awesome! Especially III./JG27 or like that (i know its a G14) or BUT THIS IS THE MOST BEAUTIFUL ONE!!! ? 2 1
III/JG2Gustav05 Posted March 19, 2024 Posted March 19, 2024 Bf109G6AS, StabII.JG11 flown by Guenther Specht. Even though it has already been done in official pack, I just want to post my version here for pursuing the historical correctness. https://www.mediafire.com/file/0j3efxrt8dvn21a/Bf109G6AS_Stab_II_JG11_Gunter_Specht.zip/file 10 1 1
III/JG2Gustav05 Posted April 6, 2024 Posted April 6, 2024 (edited) On 3/18/2024 at 8:15 PM, FurphyForum said: @III/JG2Gustav05 Good to see your back. Trying to be around as much as possible! Edited April 25, 2024 by III/JG2Gustav05
imanuthep Posted April 9, 2024 Posted April 9, 2024 good to see you back indeed... hope to see more 109 or 190 from you in the future 1
III/JG2Gustav05 Posted April 25, 2024 Posted April 25, 2024 2/JG300, Uffizier Wolfgang Lumpi Hundsdörfer's red10. Historically it should be G14AS. But anyway, we have what we have now. https://www.mediafire.com/file/42yo3jg4z7lyuya/Bf109G6AS_2_JG300_Red10_Wolfgang_H.zip/file 9 4 3
sevenless Posted April 25, 2024 Posted April 25, 2024 5 hours ago, III/JG2Gustav05 said: Historically it should be G14AS. But anyway, we have what we have now. https://www.mediafire.com/file/42yo3jg4z7lyuya/Bf109G6AS_2_JG300_Red10_Wolfgang_H.zip/file Very nice! Actually we already have the G14/AS right now. G6/AS did have DB-605AS and didnt have MW50. So, if you turn on the MW50 in your plane config this means your engine is the DB-605ASM and hence a G14/AS. 3 1
III/JG2Gustav05 Posted May 9, 2024 Posted May 9, 2024 On 4/25/2024 at 4:25 PM, sevenless said: Very nice! Actually we already have the G14/AS right now. G6/AS did have DB-605AS and didnt have MW50. So, if you turn on the MW50 in your plane config this means your engine is the DB-605ASM and hence a G14/AS. Interesting info, Thank you for explanation. Always learn things great from you. I remember that the typical G14AS has bigger oil cooler as K4 does - 2 small bulges under nose. 1 1
sevenless Posted May 11, 2024 Posted May 11, 2024 On 5/9/2024 at 7:47 AM, III/JG2Gustav05 said: I remember that the typical G14AS has bigger oil cooler as K4 does - 2 small bulges under nose. Erla or Mtt, thats the question... Whether 'tis nobler in the mind to suffer The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,... erm, got carried away a little... 1
Devil5O5 Posted June 8 Posted June 8 On 5/28/2023 at 3:42 AM, Yankee_One said: Hi Julian, may i ask you kindly for help? Boelcke started to make some skins on the G-6AS too, but he ran into a little problem. Its the triangle on the left side of the fuselage. There is only a white outline visible.The right side is ok. Thank you very much! Btw, as always a fantastic skin, as i mentioned it earlier, i love your work Hide contents In case any other skinner is encountering this problem, it is caused by selecting the DB 605/ASM engine. The game changes the interior fuel triangle from "B4" to "C3" to reflect the changes in allowable fuel grade on the real airplane. On the skin template, the "B4" triangle is on the port side forward of the Cross and the "C3" triangle is on the starboard side above the rear of the cross. Some real aircraft don't have a stencil in that area but leaving that area blank on the skin will give this visual error when selecting the ASM engine.
Devil5O5 Posted June 8 Posted June 8 (edited) Given that we don't have a proper G-10 yet (probably never) I've decided to skin some G-10 schemes for our G-6/AS. I know some skinners already do this on the K-4, but I think they look better visually on the G-6/AS. Bf 109G-10 flown by Heinz Ewald of II/Jg 52 in February 1945 while based at Veszprem, Hungary. Spoiler I have provided versions of the skin with and without the swastika on the tail. https://www.mediafire.com/file/9t24jy6f8vw0pvb/109G6AS+II+JG+52+Ewald.zip/file Edited June 8 by Devil5O5 5 2
Devil5O5 Posted June 22 Posted June 22 'What if" 109G-6/AS's of 9./JG 54 supposing the squadron got these instead of 190A-8's in May 1944. "Yellow 5" flown by Arnold Braunschweiger "Yellow 13 flown by Donut Holstein Versions of both planes with and without swastikas included. https://www.mediafire.com/file/320s6q7yvnwxswe/109G6AS+9_JG+54.zip/file 6 2 4
easterling77 Posted June 23 Posted June 23 10 hours ago, Devil5O5 said: 'What if" 109G-6/AS's of 9./JG 54 supposing the squadron got these instead of 190A-8's in May 1944. "Yellow 5" flown by Arnold Braunschweiger "Yellow 13 flown by Donut Holstein Versions of both planes with and without swastikas included. https://www.mediafire.com/file/320s6q7yvnwxswe/109G6AS+9_JG+54.zip/file They look superb. Thanks for sharing. Best greetings DP 1 1
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