VR Beta of IL2 CoD

[lwalter]

I have an Oculus Quest 2 and I'm enjoying it now with all my other flying simulators. The only exception is IL2 CoD, which I don't launch anymore because I "can't" go back to 2D.

I thought there was a VR beta, that started a while ago. Is it still a private beta or can anybody try it now?

[Mysticpuma]

Let's wait for TFS to answer. They after all know the current situation? 

[Dagwoodyt]

The "special surprise" pitch is enticing and seems to be the most recent post from this moderator. Good luck ?

As a component of your "due diligence" searches you should also check this and the Steam forum for posts related to the DW-T "private beta" application experience.

Edited March 11, 2023 by Dagwoodyt

[lwalter]

@Dagwoodyt thanks, but I'm not sure I understood that one. I already bought Desert Wings a while ago, before VR was even announced. Do I still have to apply separately for the VR beta? or will this VR beta be accessible to anybody who bought Desert Wings at any time? only recently?

[Dagwoodyt]

3 hours ago, lwalter said:

@Dagwoodyt thanks, but I'm not sure I understood that one. I already bought Desert Wings a while ago, before VR was even announced. Do I still have to apply separately for the VR beta? or will this VR beta be accessible to anybody who bought Desert Wings at any time? only recently?

Not sure how I can help in your quest if you have not been able to contact author of the ?Day post via PM.

Edited March 23, 2023 by Dagwoodyt

[SIA_Target]

I applied once, no response, maybe because it was too late in getting in, although the Reddit post made me think the application period was re-opened.

 

Last word (rumor?) was that VR beta was going to be opened to all who have VR, surprise included. I asked if they required a new request sent in for approval, as with the first time it was rumored to be re-opened (IE a picture of your VR headset to prove you have one). Nothing more was heard.

To quote an old song, "The wind whispers Mary". (Add a tumbleweed to the last).

Edited March 24, 2023 by SIA_Target

[Dagwoodyt]

Possibly no one has raised the subject, but fact is that TFS is really a "black box". For all we know there might be dozens of active Team members or "several". That no one has been assigned to answer correspondence the Team has solicited would be surprising in many commercial enterprises.

[lwalter]

I sent a PM to @Buzzsaw, as suggested by @Dagwoodyt, but never got any answer.

I hope it's just because the product is going through a period of reorganization, else it would be a pity if CloD VR was just stalled.

 

[the_finkinator69]

10 hours ago, lwalter said:

I sent a PM to @Buzzsaw, as suggested by @Dagwoodyt, but never got any answer.

I hope it's just because the product is going through a period of reorganization, else it would be a pity if CloD VR was just stalled.

 

A lot of us sent PMs 4+ months ago so I wouldnt hold my breath. At this point I’m just hoping for a release by the end of the year. 

[Dagwoodyt]

Communication style on FB site seems equivalent to that evident here.

[Mysticpuma]

Well, I nearly stayed away but I am trying to not engage too often on the forums as I want to see just how apathetic everyone can become at the lack of interaction from TFS. However, these are forums to discuss 'the project', so my simple question would be; Has TFS gone bust? 

The lack of progress, information, detail, apathy (from the team towards it's now miniscule remaining community), interaction, engagement, work in progress, any progress....all we are left with is hollow words of 'update news soon, with the standard proviso 'hope', to be absolutely frank, the treatment of it's paying customers (and yes, they have charged money for a product so no matter if they are hobbyists, they have actual customers not just 'fans') has been  and still is, beyond pathetic.

 

How anyone in TFS can be proud of letting a Facebook page with over 4.7k subscribers dwindle into obscurity, the last update being on January 8th, is totally indicative of the lamentable way they feel about their player base.

 

 

How not one single member of the team can update that page is truly beyond me.

 

I note the screenshot from Larry of WiP recently posted. Larry's work is exceptional as always, but the screenshot doesn't detail anything we don't already know and looks like it could have been created with the current version.

 

I have no idea what the team are doing but I would hope someone would at least be questioning Buzzsaw as to why the community aren't being updated, at least in an attempt to keep whatever tiny bit of optimism they may have, smouldering as an ember in the remains of the bonfire they used to have burning brightly.

 

 

Edited March 26, 2023 by Mysticpuma

[Cybermat47]

51 minutes ago, Mysticpuma said:

How not one single member of the team can update that page is truly beyond me.

 

I'll bring this up with the others, see if we can work something out

[Snowdon]

TFS should be ashamed, their lack of communication is ludicrous. they've allowed their community to die through rudeness and a constant condescending tone in their comms with the forums, I so wanted to see this come about, Now reading what little new there is here on the forums I realise they're never going to release this update. in the words of bones 

[Dagwoodyt]

1 hour ago, Cybermat47 said:

 

I'll bring this up with the others, see if we can work something out

Can it be that the only take-away perceived by TFS is that a FB page needs updating? If so we are lost ?

 

13 hours ago, the_finkinator69 said:

A lot of us sent PMs 4+ months ago so I wouldnt hold my breath. At this point I’m just hoping for a release by the end of the year. 

 

Edited March 26, 2023 by Dagwoodyt

[Cybermat47]

2 hours ago, Snowdon said:

TFS should be ashamed, their lack of communication is ludicrous.

 

There are reasons that we work slower and communicate less than other studios (such as our commitments to our primary employment and/or university), but I agree that more communication would be great.

 

You guys, the community, are the people who enable us to do what we do, and your feedback and criticism has helped us improve on our work. You absolutely deserve to be listened to and informed.

 

I'm taking your concerns to the rest of the team and I'll see what can be done.

 

1 hour ago, Dagwoodyt said:

Can it be that the only take-away perceived by TFS is that a FB page needs updating?

 

Not at all. You guys should be kept updated on our progress as much as possible and we should take your feedback and criticism on board  

Edited March 26, 2023 by Cybermat47

[Mysticpuma]

Cybermat, appreciate the reply but it will take more than a knee-jerk reaction from TFS (should anyone come here with an update) to instil any confidence in a product ever being released. 

 

Months ago Buzzsaw said an update would come in a few weeks........ since then, tumbleweed. 

 

The VR, Truesky and Graphics update have now become an urban myth, similar to when "Duke Nukem Forever" was in development 'forever'. This is through no fault of the diminished community that hangs on with ever decreasing expectations, they sit here wanting news and the Team to succeed, but all they get is a cold shoulder and ignored. 

The likelihood of there being any community left to spread the word if this ever gets released is vanishing quicker than a SVB investors stock. 

 

"There are reasons that we work slower and communicate less than other studios (such as our commitments to our primary employment and/or university)" 

 

Mate, I have been there and done the job of communicating WiP, I worked multiple "real life" jobs and yet managed to get an update out at least once-per-month, it's an excuse that just doesn't wash. 

 

I have no idea what politics are going on behind the scenes, how the finances are being shared since the split, if contracts are causing issues, why there is still no v6 announcement (another Mythical product) but ultimately the bare bones of what was once a large, excited, passionate and enthusiastic community, have been squandered, cast aside and now it just feels like we are expected to be grateful for any scraps thrown from the table. 

 

The only way TFS are going to actually make an impact is for them to finally come clean and set out exactly what the delays are. 

 

The community need a road map, an expected release date for VR, Truesky and the Graphics update. They don't want to hear "we hope", "we would like", they want some honesty on just how many more months and years they are expected to wait. 

 

On top of that, give us a reason why v6 news can't be released. Saying it's upto our partners isn't good enough. After years of waiting for news on V6, the assets and maps must be already done, if it is down to the partners (once 1C but now Fulcrum are doing the same... Why??) then let us know why they are refusing to let you announce it! 

 

I put a post up a few months ago asking for people to reply if they were still here and awaiting news. There were 84 unique replies, and that was months ago. The absolute apathy shown by any member of TFS (and ultimately Buzzsaw as I am sure he would have to allow any news to be shared) to stay in touch with their community, the ones who will (may) be there when they want players to purchase v6, is beyond contempt. Imagine someone new, coming along and considering buying v6 and then visiting this forum to see how the developers interact with their client base...... they'd run a bloody mile! 

 

It's time for TFS to finally speak up and let what remains of the community, finally know what the hell is going on and saying "we are busy and have real lives and jobs so don't have time" doesn't cut it anymore and believe me, having been there, I know how poor an excuse that is. 

 

Oh and if you are feeding back this text (because no-one else from TFS cares to engage with what remains of the community on this forum) can you ask how every player who bought DWT and owns a VR headset and was promised beta access, will get beta access with the special 'surprise'. 

Again, the lack communication, lack of answering emails requesting access (by new owners who bought DWT on that promise) once more just adds to the frustration being felt by the few of us still here, waiting and waiting and waiting to be taken seriously. 

 

Thanks Cybermat. I honestly don't hold out any hope of any change but without the Team finally taking communication seriously, there will be no-one left to see the VR, Truesky, Graphics update, let alone v6 (if ever that gets announced let alone released). 

 

Edited March 26, 2023 by Mysticpuma

[No.54_Reddog]

4 hours ago, Cybermat47 said:

 

There are reasons that we work slower and communicate less than other studios (such as our commitments to our primary employment and/or university), but I agree that more communication would be great.

 

You guys, the community, are the people who enable us to do what we do, and your feedback and criticism has helped us improve on our work. You absolutely deserve to be listened to and informed.

 

I'm taking your concerns to the rest of the team and I'll see what can be done.

 

 

Not at all. You guys should be kept updated on our progress as much as possible and we should take your feedback and criticism on board  

 

OK, so go ahead, don't tell us you're going to speak to someone in TFS. Speak to us. Just be honest. It's not that hard to do, I'm sure you'll get the hang of it.

[Dagwoodyt]

A problem might be that some TFS contributors get as little information as do paying TFS customers. A fear is that there might be just one person behind the "curtain" who advises everyone else to look in another direction.

[Mysticpuma]

Put simply, how much more do we know than we did nearly 3-years ago? 

 

Read the August 15th 2020 and April 22nd 2021 update. 

 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/forum/155-team-fusion-notes/

[Dagwoodyt]

I have never understood the logic of a chief spokesperson asserting dogmatically that the VU will not be released until all components function flawlessly, yet simultaneously being prevented by "partners" from updating customers on progress toward that goal. Witness Speedtree:

Where are we with this problem, seven months gone by?

Edited March 27, 2023 by Dagwoodyt

[Gunfreak]

17 hours ago, Dagwoodyt said:

I have never understood the logic of a chief spokesperson asserting dogmatically that the VU will not be released until all components function flawlessly, yet simultaneously being prevented by "partners" from updating customers on progress toward that goal. Witness Speedtree:

Where are we with this problem, seven months gone by?

Well they've said they've invested to get developer access to both speed tree and truesky. Before they didn't get any help, now they have 24/7 customer support.

[Dagwoodyt]

55 minutes ago, Gunfreak said:

Well they've said they've invested to get developer access to both speed tree and truesky. Before they didn't get any help, now they have 24/7 customer support.

What exactly was "said" and when was it "said"? Has the "new" Speedtree version been implemented or not? Are launcher crashes still occurring for beta testers?

Edited March 28, 2023 by Dagwoodyt

[SIA_Target]

I bought this product in a box (it's still here somewhere), and it was crap out of the gate. Along comes TF and starts patching the game up under a non-professional moniker, remember the patches and the order of application? These patches came fast (compared with the state of things today) and with much communication. Sure there are some who are always unhappy with the speed, or lack thereof, of progress, but those patches from a bunch of enthusiasts were fast enough to pull ClOD out of the fire after the company (1C?) abandoned it.

 

 Now we have a company involved again and nada, well not nada, just empty promises, like the advertisement on the original box. If you're not going to open VR to all don't say you are, that's a move a large company makes to draw more patsies in for a sale. And not just one promise, but multiple times. What harm would there be in just opening up VR as was stated? Is someone going to steal industry secrets and create their own game from an engine that's, how old? The game can't be as bad as when it was originally released, before TF got into fixing it.

 

 Oh for the multiple patches of the old days, they didn't take years in coming.

Signed, a patsy who has abandoned all hope.

[Mysticpuma]

@Cybermat47

 

Has anyone read your request for a reply? 

Edited March 28, 2023 by Mysticpuma

[354thFG_Leifr]

ACCESS DENIED.

[Cloyd]

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[No.54_Reddog]

2 hours ago, SIA_Target said:

I bought this product in a box (it's still here somewhere), and it was crap out of the gate. Along comes TF and starts patching the game up under a non-professional moniker, remember the patches and the order of application? These patches came fast (compared with the state of things today) and with much communication. Sure there are some who are always unhappy with the speed, or lack thereof, of progress, but those patches from a bunch of enthusiasts were fast enough to pull ClOD out of the fire after the company (1C?) abandoned it.

 

 Now we have a company involved again and nada, well not nada, just empty promises, like the advertisement on the original box. If you're not going to open VR to all don't say you are, that's a move a large company makes to draw more patsies in for a sale. And not just one promise, but multiple times. What harm would there be in just opening up VR as was stated? Is someone going to steal industry secrets and create their own game from an engine that's, how old? The game can't be as bad as when it was originally released, before TF got into fixing it.

 

 Oh for the multiple patches of the old days, they didn't take years in coming.

Signed, a patsy who has abandoned all hope.

 

The people behind the patches are the exact same people behind the "company" as you put it.

 

The key issue, for as long as I have crossed paths, has always been one person. That person calls the shots. It's not a democracy. It's not a collective effort. It has always been "my way or the highway" with him and always will be I think. Imagine a stubborn old mule in a western and you'd probably not be far off the mark in terms of behaviour. Most of the TF members I've talked to over the years know it. But it's the only show in town. And we are where we are.

[Feldgrun]

On 3/28/2023 at 12:37 AM, Mysticpuma said:

Put simply, how much more do we know than we did nearly 3-years ago? 

 

Read the August 15th 2020 and April 22nd 2021 update. 

 

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/forum/155-team-fusion-notes/

Could the issue simply be that TFS is contractually prevented from discussing or sharing details? As the saying goes:

 

”I would if I could, but I can’t so I shan’t/won’t”

 

That seems to be the message I’ve seen several times from Buzzsaw. I’d love to think that everything is ready to go for a big release, but they are only waiting for permission from the owners. 

[Mysticpuma]

3 hours ago, Feldgrun said:

Could the issue simply be that TFS is contractually prevented from discussing or sharing details? As the saying goes:

 

”I would if I could, but I can’t so I shan’t/won’t”

 

That seems to be the message I’ve seen several times from Buzzsaw. I’d love to think that everything is ready to go for a big release, but they are only waiting for permission from the owners. 

I have read that too. 

My straightforward question is; of what benefit would it be for a parent company whose ultimate goal is to make money, to have a product already made (as it surely must be  after all these years since mention of a v6), and deny the creators any opportunity to announce it? 

I struggle to find any cohesive argument not to announce a future revenue stream, is anyone else able to come up with a reason that 1C and now Fulqrum 'refuse' to let TFS at least say where theatre and assets V6 will have? 

Edited March 29, 2023 by Mysticpuma

[66Veteran-]

The still standing is more terrifying for developers than it is for us, it is their life's work and I'm sure the TF team dying to share it with us.

 

We can only support the team and wait until it comes out.  ?

 

 

[Snowdon]

53 minutes ago, 66Veteran- said:

The still standing is more terrifying for developers than it is for us, it is their life's work and I'm sure the TF team dying to share it with us.

 

We can only support the team and wait until it comes out.  ?

 

 

 

 

they don't deserve our understanding and patience anymore, they should answer us now or never again!!!!

 

these tits have broken this camels back !!!

[Cybermat47]

14 hours ago, Mysticpuma said:

@Cybermat47

 

Has anyone read your request for a reply? 

 

Yep, currently working on increasing the flow of information and making it easier to find (partly by adapting elements of how the GBS team communicates with the community). More frequent multiplayer events are also planned 

Edited March 29, 2023 by Cybermat47

[Mysticpuma]

4 minutes ago, Cybermat47 said:

 

Yep, currently working on increasing the flow of information, making it easier to find, and adapting elements of the GBS system of communication. More frequent multiplayer events are also planned 

Nobody really cares about the multiplayer events at the moment (as can be seen by the last event and the few that turned up), the problem is, all the Multiplayer events do is ask what's left of the community to show up and play using the same old game engine. There are so few players left now, having walked away and likely believing development has ended due to the lack of news.

 

Making it easier to find - Nothing has changed, post here in Announcements and Updates, post on Facebook, post on ATAG....no change at all.

 

GBS? No idea what that is.

 

Any timescale for a reply?

Edited March 29, 2023 by Mysticpuma

[Cybermat47]

1 minute ago, Mysticpuma said:

Nobody really cares about the multiplayer events at the moment (as can be seen by the last event and the few that turned up), the problem is, all the Multiplayer events do is ask what's left of the community to show up and play using the same old game engine.

 

Making it easier to find - Nothing has changed, post here in Announcements and Updates, post on Facebook....no change at all.

 

GBS? No idea what that is.

 

Any timescale for a reply?

 

The planned improvments to communication will be implemented with the next release of information, which Snapper is currently working on.

 

GBS is the IL-2 Sturmovik: Great Battles series.

[Mysticpuma]

16 minutes ago, Cybermat47 said:

 

The planned improvments to communication will be implemented with the next release of information, which Snapper is currently working on.

 

GBS is the IL-2 Sturmovik: Great Battles series.

Well, there was this link that seemed like a good start.....but once again, abandoned.

 

 

[Cybermat47]

1 minute ago, Mysticpuma said:

Well, there was this link that seemed like a good start.....but once again, abandoned.

 

Certainly a mistake to not keep that going. But it's a mistake that we're aiming to fix 

[Mysticpuma]

54 minutes ago, Cybermat47 said:

 

The planned improvments to communication will be implemented with the next release of information, which Snapper is currently working on.

Any idea when? (without using 'hopefully' or 'would like')

[Dagwoodyt]

a promise that someone else will deliver unspecified information at a future date

Good luck with that?

[OBT-Eazy]

1 hour ago, Cybermat47 said:

 

Yep, currently working on increasing the flow of information and making it easier to find (partly by adapting elements of how the GBS team communicates with the community). More frequent multiplayer events are also planned 

GO TFS! Don't give up!

I guess the "lack" of communication comes from constraints over which you do not necessarily have control and not from an oversized ego of one of the TFS members as some have suggested.

Moreover, some should think before posting their frustrations. Frustrations may be well-founded but continually hitting the nail end up having a negative effect on the motivation of developers, graphic designers, integrators, communication manager, etc. who, remember, are volunteers.
So you (please don't include everyone) don't care about multiplayer events? Maybe you should, it would increase the number of players in the stats, create a call and attract other players and especially encourage them who spend a lot of time putting together these events.

 

<Sarcasm>Keep it up guys! Soon there will be no one left in the team to read your endless whining.</Sarcasm>

[carlosstreet]

It's amazing that there are such unbearable people.