When will the B25 become flyable?

[IckyATLAS]

Just a small reminder that we would all be so happy to have this plane flyable. I am sure that instead of a new plane, a flyable cockpit for the B25 would be a very appreciated replacement.?

[Gambit21]

Who knows - you can hope but don’t count on it any time soon. Cockpits are a huge amount of work (first-hand experience on that) never mind something like the B-25 with 2 pilot seats and multiple stations.

 

If it were me I’d abandon that for now and get some different theaters going…but that’s just me.

 

 

 

 

 

[sevenless]

 

[MAJORgoonMADLOU]

39 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

Who knows - you can hope but don’t count on it any time soon. Cockpits are a huge amount of work (first-hand experience on that) never mind something like the B-25 with 2 pilot seats and multiple stations.

 

If it were me I’d abandon that for now and get some different theaters going…but that’s just me.

 

 

 

 

 

But this is the almighty developers of IL2.  They can do amazing things when they want to! Question is, will it sell?  There are supposed to be a couple of b17 sims coming out soon.  I bet those will be big hits.

[JG5_Schuck]

I've often wondered why so many of the stations have to be manned.
Why not just the Pilot/Co-pilot/Navigator/Bomb-aimer, and the rest AI.
Even in multiplayer its very rare to see all the positions manned, if any at all other than the pilot...
This would surely make most planes within reach.... even 4 engined heavies....B17, Lancaster etc.

[Lusekofte]

Thi new thing we are getting might make those flyable. But I bet current game engine will not receive any new flyable except from promised collector planes

[ROCKET_KNUT]

It would have to compete with a bunch of stuff, that probably will sell like hot cakes, like 109s, 190s, 152s, 162s, 163s, 183s, 188s, 388s, 177s, 264s,...(insert your favourite production a/c- or paper-plane-n° here). On the other hand, who´d pay for a slow, medium bomber, which is going to be absolutely useless in a fighter-focused-multiplayer-environment? Thought so...

[Enceladus828]

In this Q&A between Wardog, Han and Loft at 39:06, they indicate a flyable B-25 or B-26 will only be made by a development partner; won't be added as collector plane in a "Battle of..." installment.

[Muddy]

The gig is up boys, a few projects coming down the pipe but overall support for BOX is drying up. Time to face the facts.

[Rjel]

Were the PTO ever to come to be, a flyable B-25 would be a necessity. Personally I’d buy it in a heart beat. I don’t see it ever happening sadly. 

[ww2fighter20]

I sadly don't see it happening, the devs themselves are more likely to make more fighter variants like the bf109/spitfire/p51/yak/enz since they sell like hot cakes while 3rd parties are unlikely to tackle bombers because of the difficulty of making the cabin and gunner stations, just look how long it took Ugra Media to make the c47 flyable or how long the IAR80/81 is taking.

 

This is especially sad since there are no flyable level bombers to fly at all for the western allies, level bombing is an gameplay feature that will very likely stay exclusive to the VVS and the Luftwaffe.

[MAJORgoonMADLOU]

2 hours ago, ROCKET_KNUT said:

It would have to compete with a bunch of stuff, that probably will sell like hot cakes, like 109s, 190s, 152s, 162s, 163s, 183s, 188s, 388s, 177s, 264s,...(insert your favourite production a/c- or paper-plane-n° here). On the other hand, who´d pay for a slow, medium bomber, which is going to be absolutely useless in a fighter-focused-multiplayer-environment? Thought so...

The same people who are buying Il2's C47 which doesn't even have bombs or machine guns?

[ROCKET_KNUT]

Bingo, bought three copies too. ?

[IckyATLAS]

10 hours ago, Muddy said:

The gig is up boys, a few projects coming down the pipe but overall support for BOX is drying up. Time to face the facts.

We're in the twilight zone. Winter is coming ....

[[CPT]Crunch]

"Small team can't be done" motto is primed to backfire, who says they can ever pull off a new gig with such a banner and operating history.  I'm going to have to see it first before getting "invested".

[danielprates]

17 hours ago, JG5_Schuck said:

I've often wondered why so many of the stations have to be manned.
Why not just the Pilot/Co-pilot/Navigator/Bomb-aimer, and the rest AI.
Even in multiplayer its very rare to see all the positions manned, if any at all other than the pilot...
This would surely make most planes within reach.... even 4 engined heavies....B17, Lancaster etc.

 

Hear hear

[R33GZ]

Cant do the b25/b26 yet are somehow able to do he111, a20 and pe2 ?

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

20 hours ago, Muddy said:

The gig is up boys, a few projects coming down the pipe but overall support for BOX is drying up. Time to face the facts.

This. Just look at how quiet it is around here. Everytime I check there are almost no new threads. GB is dying.

[BlitzPig_EL]

42 minutes ago, drewm3i-VR said:

 GB is dying.

 

Except for all those people that never come to the forum that are still playing and enjoying the game.

Those of us the haunt the forum, myself included, place far too much importance on our participation here.

Edited February 26, 2023 by BlitzPig_EL

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

1 minute ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

 

Except for all those people that never come to the forum that are still playing and enjoying the game.

Those of us the haunt the forum, myself included, place far too much importance on our participation here.

Numbers on Steam are way down and also most servers are empty these days except at peak hours. Around 1130 PM this past Friday EST, I looked at Combat Box and it had only 21 players so I didn't bother. I'm seeing that more and more these days. This is vastly different from two years ago where I couldn't even join servers during peak hours. People have/are moving on. The devs are actively killing their own progeny, if they haven't already...

[dburne]

And some have just simply - moved on...

[sevenless]

They not even made the BoK A-20 flyable for USAAF and RAF. Time to move on gents.

[BlitzPig_EL]

Move on to what???  DCS is a bunch of disconnected aircraft types with no proper theaters of operation for them, and they cost too damn much.

CloD is dead as a door nail already

The "free to play" arcade titles are worthless.

 

So what WW2 air combat sim are you lot going to move on to exactly?

[sevenless]

15 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

So what WW2 air combat sim are you lot going to move on to exactly?

 

With "move on" I mean stop lamenting about things which are unlikely to happen. Obviously playing GB will still offer tons of hours of entertainment and a few collectors to look forward to, but that´s it then.

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

1 hour ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

Move on to what???  DCS is a bunch of disconnected aircraft types with no proper theaters of operation for them, and they cost too damn much.

CloD is dead as a door nail already

The "free to play" arcade titles are worthless.

 

So what WW2 air combat sim are you lot going to move on to exactly?

This.

 

On another note, I've moved on to Elite Dangerous and am really enjoying it these days.

[MAJORgoonMADLOU]

4 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

Move on to what???  DCS is a bunch of disconnected aircraft types with no proper theaters of operation for them, and they cost too damn much.

CloD is dead as a door nail already

The "free to play" arcade titles are worthless.

 

So what WW2 air combat sim are you lot going to move on to exactly?

I dunno. If DCS ever gets its VR act together (and that is supposedly in the works to be done this year) Il2 may go the way of the dinosaurs.  Only reason why I fly Il2, the VR EXPERIENCE IS GREAT.

[Enceladus828]

5 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

CloD is dead as a door nail already

I know it’s frustrating that we haven’t gotten the Visual Update or an announcement of content for TF 6.0 but there are factors out of TFS control which cause these to be pushed back. Events around this time of year seem to cause them not to make the latter announcement, first it was a country being invaded that was one of the reasons Jason (their liaison) left 1C, and now it has something to do with Fulqrum in which TFS is dealing with an organizational and business matter which is crucial to the future of TF.

 

Unless an announcement is made that no further work will be made to CloD/IL-2 Dover series then it’s not dead?

 

7 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

Except for all those people that never come to the forum that are still playing and enjoying the game.

Exactly what most of the CloD players are doing

Edited February 27, 2023 by Enceladus

[LukeFF]

59 minutes ago, Enceladus said:

Exactly what most of the CloD players are doing

 

CloD's latest 30-day average is a loss of 5.4 players, or -18.60% for an average of (checks notes) 23.6 players a day. The peak for this last weekend was 45 players on Sunday.

 

Dude, the game is more dead than Bernie. ? 

 

https://steamcharts.com/app/754530

Edited February 27, 2023 by LukeFF

[354thFG_Leifr]

18 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

Dude, the game is more dead than Bernie. ? 

 

https://steamcharts.com/app/754530

 

Careful, say that in the Cliffs forum and you end up with Buzzsaw sending menacing PMs. ?

[dburne]

1 hour ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

 

 

As for superficially developed battle stations on board a flyable B-25, forget it, Loft has always said "we only make hard core simulators". And he's right, me thinks.

 

 

 

That may be a bit of a stretch irregardless though that is more in the eye of the beholder than anything so I will give you that. To him I am sure he considers it hard core, to me not so much. I would consider it more of a casual experience, but also a very good one at that.

[R33GZ]

I did notice a while ago that on the BoBp career mode, the b26 squadrons that moved in are listed as flyable... I just had to purchase it lol. Not sure if this is still the case as I've been using PWCG

[343KKT_Kintaro]

16 minutes ago, dburne said:

 

To him I am sure he considers it hard core, to me not so much.

 

 

Agreed. At 100%. In the present days, to me, only DCS is hard core simulation.

 

I can't help you, R33GZ, I didn't even know that the B-26 had at some point been presented as a flyable...

 

 

[Robli]

3 hours ago, Enceladus said:

RoF, IL-2 1946, Battlestations: Midway and CFS3 are more dead than CloD.

 

I checked Stramcharts and the funny thing is that even IL-2 1946 has more players in average than CloD. That is through Steam. CloD is 100% steam only, while IL-2 1946 was product of the time, where majority of games well still sold on disks. Nobody in my old squad had it on steam. The original IL-2 Sturmovik actually came out before steam existed. Just shows how dead CloD really is nowodays.

[343KKT_Kintaro]

In IL2CoD, players playing off line are not included in those stats.

 

Now... what if we got out of the boxing ring and we went back on topic?

 

 

[R33GZ]

Obviously it's not... got me excited, then made me laugh. Will see if I can get a screen of it at some stage 

[343KKT_Kintaro]

I know it's not, R33GZ, it's just that I didn't know it has been presented as such. A mistake, I guess.

[Robli]

1 hour ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

In IL2CoD, players playing off line are not included in those stats.

 

That is not true.

[I./JG52_Woutwocampe]

Yeah, not gonna happen.

[343KKT_Kintaro]

Long live the noble art, so please gentlemen apply the rules that gentlemen apply: no blows bellow the waist.

 

I wasn't talking about single player. I was talking about OFF LINE game sessions. They are not counted.

 

Next round?

 

 

[Enceladus828]

@LukeFF @BlitzPig_EL

How about you guys just ignore CloD. If you don't like it and you feel it's dead beyond any hope of resurrection then just ignore it. Don't mention it and if somebody brings it up in a post then don't respond, and don't even react to the post.

 

I don't like Flying Circus. I feel $80 USD per each Volume is too much for what we're getting and if the devs wanted to return to WW1 in 2017 then they should have gotten another team in there to continue supporting RoF. I've gotten WoFF BH&H II because I get much more content in it than I could in FC. But anyway, you don't see me whining about FC; the only time I go on the FC boards is to say something positive or make a suggestion like another front or planes which weren't in RoF to be added to FC. Whenever something about FC is said in a DD I just ignore it and move on.

 

I suggest you two just ignore CloD move on from it.