Developer Diary 339 Discussion

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

FC II is shaping up to be really good! The West Front Map is so much better than the Arras Map.

[migmadmarine]

Will be curious if the "all" includes the non-west front map oriented types like the seaplanes and Sikorsky types.

[Rustedgun]

This is all great news and I look forward to buying anything and everything related to WW1 going forward.

[TG-55Panthercules]

1 hour ago, LukeFF said:

 

It'll probably be just the stock skins that are in the game right now, like it is for the WWII side. I'll try to mix things up as best I can, but since we don't have the mountain of individual unit skins like in ROF, it's going to be a bit different. Thankfully, we now have tactical codes (which are date-dependent), so that will add some variety especially on the British side.

 

Thanks for the response Luke.  If there's going to be some sort of mechanism for getting the skins incorporated into the career mode (perhaps like we were able to do in the work I did with VikS a few years ago for RoF) I'll be happy to crank out some of the missing default skins for the relevant units - I've been filling out my suite of personal squadron skins for the FC planes now that I've got my VR setup working again, in anticipation of the arrival of career mode, so I'm coming up to speed on some of the differences between RoF and FC skinning.  I'd also be happy to curate and host some unofficial career-related skinpacks like I did for RoF, so people could take advantage of having them in their career mode down the road at some point.

 

Great to see the progress on FC in this DD - really looking forward to the upcoming launch/release.

[JG4_Moltke1871]

Thanks a lot @Hanfor this long waited great news about Flying Circus.

Honestly I don’t like the „?“ behind Vol.III

But however here is my ? for it …?

Put it into the store tomorrow and I will buy today already ?

To preorder it will be no question for the FC community.
I also know some guy’s mainly play WW2 just waiting for FC2 Discounts to get it??‍♂️.

 

Flying FC Planes have it own magic, especially in VR. Often I get the confirmation about it when guys sitting first time in a twin plane with VR googles.

 

About the western front map: 

It’s really beautiful already, it’s really lovely detailed with train stations etc.

Reims sector gap must be closed ??

It would be a shame don’t get this map for all seasons ?

 

Also great news about the WW1 specific mission types, to be a „Artilleriebeobachter“ (artillery adjustment) will give my live a new sense ?.

I remember the DD where first time was some pictures about photo reconnaissance and I am really curious about how it will finally work. Camera and radio will not be useless slots anymore I think ?

And by the way it makes hope get some use for the Ar 234 photo equipment ?

 

 

 

 

Edited February 17, 2023 by JG4_Moltke1871

[Trooper117]

Nice to see WWI back in the arena...

 

 we are also negotiating with Yugra Media about the continuation of the Flying Circus series.  

 

At least there is the prospect of FC 3 potentially happening if negotiations are successful.

 

 

[Nickkyboy99]

2 hours ago, =gRiJ=Roman- said:

I wish the reccon missions get to WW2 as well ... 

I believe at one point WW2 planes will have it. I mean.. just take a look at the Ar234, it has a camera mod and you can physical open and close the camera bay.

[migmadmarine]

18 minutes ago, TG-55Panthercules said:

 

Thanks for the response Luke.  If there's going to be some sort of mechanism for getting the skins incorporated into the career mode (perhaps like we were able to do in the work I did with VikS a few years ago for RoF) I'll be happy to crank out some of the missing default skins for the relevant units - I've been filling out my suite of personal squadron skins for the FC planes now that I've got my VR setup working again, in anticipation of the arrival of career mode, so I'm coming up to speed on some of the differences between RoF and FC skinning.  I'd also be happy to curate and host some unofficial career-related skinpacks like I did for RoF, so people could take advantage of having them in their career mode down the road at some point.

 

Great to see the progress on FC in this DD - really looking forward to the upcoming launch/release.

No idea if they will have an official method, but please make skins all the same, they can be made to appear quite easily with some file edits like what Skycat and I have done for BOBP and Normandy

[76SQN-Minimayhemtemp]

KLJSDFKNSDLKFJSDF I LOVE YOU SO MUCH!

[J2_Bidu]

Good job! 

[Sowercrowd]

Fantastic News! ??

[itsmecamille]

DD is back! The fate of FC was one of my main concerns lately, and as an early aircraft fan I was particularly worried about the risk we'd never see some of my favourites like EIII and Nieup 11. Hearing that plan is to ideally cover all ROF aircraft is brilliant news. You can count on day 1 purchases from me for everything FC related, that's for sure!

[ST_Catchov]

I guess I'll have to order the Snipe and that other one now. But the financial controller will need some real good viagra lovin' to soften her up first. I'll have to be quick before she comes to her senses mind. It's a delicate operation where timing is everything.

 

You done good Han. Best DD ever!

[dburne]

7 hours ago, DN308 said:

WW1 seems to be the only center of interest

 

Yep...

I have it to support the Devs but no desire to fly it currently.

This DD could just as easily been put in the FC forum.

Edited February 18, 2023 by dburne

[US103_Baer]

Great to hear FC2 is on track and nearly complete. 

Realistic Recon mechanics are a big deal for WW1 and 2-seaters get a lot of love from players. 

As others have pointed out though,  these recon mechanics need to be available in MP.

 

FC 3 is an instant pre-order here. The older planes have a real magic and WW1 just isn't complete without Nieuport 17s, Sopwith Pups & 1 1/2 Strutters, Albatros DII / DIIIs, RE8s, Halberstadts, Eindekkers, Dh2s etc

Edited February 18, 2023 by US103_Baer

[DD_APHill]

Great news!

[J5_Adam]

Anything you release for FC, I'll buy. Thanks. 

 

DIIIaü please and other engine variants. ?

[=FEW=Hauggy]

I have to say I dislike the ground textures.

Could you have another look the Prokhorovka map?

 

[Avimimus]

7 hours ago, migmadmarine said:

Will be curious if the "all" includes the non-west front map oriented types like the seaplanes and Sikorsky types.

 

The floatplanes/seaplanes in Rise of Flight are all Western Front types! Just used in coastal areas (the front did reach the coast after all) and to protect shipping. There were several other very numerous types too which we don't have

 

That said... Gulf of Venice would be something of a dream ? 

[Guest deleted@83466]

WTF is Gulf of Venice?

[Avimimus]

23 minutes ago, SeaSerpent said:

WTF is Gulf of Venice?

 

Area between Venice and Trieste (just south of Isonzo)... a very interesting set of aircraft in WWI. Both sides used single-seat seaplane fighters (e.g. Hansa-Brandenburg CC vs. Macchi M.5) and multi-seat seaplane bombers (e.g. Hansa-Brandenburg W.13/FB). Hundreds of them.

 

The Austro-Hungarians even tried using a giant trimotor seaplane bomber (two of which were equipped with 66mm cannons to act as circling gunships), while the Italians extensively used cannons on both their larger seaplanes and their trimotor bombers (e.g. Caproni Ca.3)

 

Definitely a subject worth exploring for a SeaSerpent... fascinating history - even if we're unlikely to see it in a sim. I do think a lot of the designs are sufficiently visually striking (e.g. Caproni Ca.4, Macchi M.5) and would provide sufficiently new experiences that it might be profitable. The S.V.A.5 would also become the fastest fighter-bomber of WWI (and had a floatplane variant)... and the Austro-Hungarian fighters could outrun their German competitors (e.g. Oeffag D.III, Aviatik D.I)...

[Guest deleted@83466]

It’s worth exploring from a history standpoint (and I will), but I think we agree that it isn’t commercially viable, don’t we? So why even suggest it?

[migmadmarine]

Cause it's nice to have have dreams once in a while, and Isonzo is great fun. 

 

@AvimimusI know the floatplanes are west front, I was specifically meaning the west front map as presented in game. 

[Guest deleted@83466]

I dream about a younger Raquel, and high tech jet fighters, and you guys are dreaming about the Gulf of Venice.  I guess we are just different.

[jojy47jojyrocks]

Finally! the career mode for Flying Circus!

 

Love seeing the WW1 segment get more development. I'm in the Vol 3 as long as career mode is being developed and refined to even include variety of missions like Recon etc...

 

 

[BMA_FlyingShark]

Great to finally get some FC news.

And I'm very happy to read they're negotiating the continuation of the series.

 

I wonder though, they speak of "in the new engine", do they mean the one we're using now or the upcoming new project?

 

Have a nice day.

 

 

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

6 hours ago, =FEW=Hauggy said:

I have to say I dislike the ground textures.

Could you have another look the Prokhorovka map?

 

Try the replacements in this pack:

 

 Te

 

[Wardog5711]

@FlyingShark

The DD verbiage was : 

'Our goal is to fully reproduce the aircraft set and the Rise of Flight map in the modern engine."

I did confirm that it is the current one, Great Battles, vs. the older ROF.

[BMA_FlyingShark]

4 minutes ago, Wardog5711 said:

@FlyingShark

The DD verbiage was : 

'Our goal is to fully reproduce the aircraft set and the Rise of Flight map in the modern engine."

I did confirm that it is the current one, Great Battles, vs. the older ROF.

Ok, thank you.

 

Have a nice day.

 

[Trooper117]

I'm a Western Front man... if it's not that area of the war I wouldn't purchase, so the Crutch of Venice is out.

One thing though. They are missing one of the participants... where is the Belgian career???

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

3 hours ago, drewm3i-VR said:

Try the replacements in this pack:

 

 Te

 

Didn't know that alternative texuteres exist, i hope they work in multiplayer without mods on mode. I really dislike how default look, they made them right in ROF but FC ugh terrible. Overall ROF graphics design was exceptionally artistic, even today you can look at ROF landscape and say wow that look fantastic. But can't say same about FC. Why they don't just upscale and reuse old ones. 

13 minutes ago, Wardog5711 said:

@FlyingShark

The DD verbiage was : 

'Our goal is to fully reproduce the aircraft set and the Rise of Flight map in the modern engine."

I did confirm that it is the current one, Great Battles, vs. the older ROF.

So definitely there is new mysterious project. I don't ask if it will have WW1 in it. 

Edited February 18, 2023 by 1PL-Husar-1Esk

[Trooper117]

3 minutes ago, 1PL-Husar-1Esk said:

So definitely there is new mysterious project. I don't ask if it will have WW1 in it. 

 

If they do intend to redo RoF in the new project, I don't think I want to buy it all yet again.

[Guest deleted@83466]

14 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

 

If they do intend to redo RoF in the new project, I don't think I want to buy it all yet again.

 

Wardog just confirmed it will be the continuing import of RoF content into Great Battles, presumably same as FC1 and FC2.  

[Trooper117]

Thanks SS, yep, I saw that... I had bought all of the RoF stuff over the years, plus bought FC 1 & 2... I'd have to make  a decision I think to opt out of FC 3 & 4 if they go down the route of RoF stuff going into the new project. Disposable income aint what it used to be I'm afraid!

[BlitzPig_EL]

I would purchase all the "Gulf of Venice" content in a heartbeat if it became available.

 

The USMC operated Macchi M5s in that theater, BTW.

[JG4_Moltke1871]

This is from the FC2 announcement:

 

“This is one part of a new two-part plan to create not only FC2, but also FC3 with our partner Ugra Media. Completion of this new plan will make the first three volumes of Flying Circus an exhilarating combat flying experience that will usher in a new era of development for Great War titles and content. 
We have designed each map phase to match the plane-set for each volume and the battles those planes participated in. By time FC3 is complete, the map itself will be whole and an amazing canvas to fly and fight over.”

I really think there should be no question marker behind FC3 ?

 

 

 

Edited February 18, 2023 by JG4_Moltke1871

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

I'm ready to purchase FC3 the moment it's available.

[Docholiday]

Yes !   Great news !

 

FC 3    (and FC 4 too ?) in the BOx Engine  will be  an instant preorder for me !

 

AND

 

Every further expansion for BOX too..?

 

For buing all the stuff a third time I am not sure !

In the Racing-Car Sim Project Cars they did the same:  PC1 had a great supporting community.  PC2   had still enough supporters (but the community was already angry).

AS they droped again the game and anounced PC3  the community droped the game....

 

Cheers

 

Doc

Edited February 18, 2023 by Docholiday
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[Trooper117]

14 minutes ago, Docholiday said:

AS they droped again the game and anounced PC3  the community droped the game....

 

I certainly did... I bought PC 1 and 2, and yes, was very annoyed at that at the time... I knew though it was time to say goodbye when they announced the third one.

However, that was mainly because they went down a more arcade route...

[Avimimus]

9 hours ago, migmadmarine said:

Cause it's nice to have have dreams once in a while, and Isonzo is great fun. 

 

@AvimimusI know the floatplanes are west front, I was specifically meaning the west front map as presented in game. 

 

Good point! If we are getting those aircraft we'd need a remake of the channel map (i.e. FC4).

I really hope they don't abandon them and do decide to update all of these aircraft. It'd be great to have updated floatplane/seaplane technology for WWII as well.

 

 

10 hours ago, SeaSerpent said:

It’s worth exploring from a history standpoint (and I will), but I think we agree that it isn’t commercially viable, don’t we? So why even suggest it?

 

Well, it is nice to dream about it. But also - I'm not sure it isn't commercially viable. We don't really have the sales numbers and they change over time as the fanbase evolves.

 

Conventional wisdom is (still) that an Eastern European module isn't commercially viable (in spite of there been six Eastern Front only Il-2 games released over the years). Similarly, if one looks at the aircraft being developed for DCS there are a bunch of modules that seem like they shouldn't be commercially viable (especially at their current price points)... I-16, C-130, Yak-52, Mil Mi-8, J-8II - but also aircraft like the JF-17 or Mig-19 would be dismissed by most people.

 

I honestly think that aircraft like the Macchi M.5 and Caproni Ca.4 are so eye catching, and aircraft like the S.V.A.5 are so fast... that it'd probably sell about as well as any WWI module. The fact that a single map would cover both the Alps and the Gulf of Venice would also make it extremely scenic.

 

So, I'll let myself dream a bit longer... imagine that I am in the timeline where someone takes that gamble and succeeds in making such a project!