New Pico Neo4 standalone device: Pancake lenses, 2160x2160 per eye and 429€.

[chiliwili69]

10 hours ago, BOO said:

Am I right in thinking both you chaps ordered the PICO4?

 

My Pico4 will by shipped today or next monday. I will try to learn the details of VD and router thing.

9 hours ago, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

ggodin the maker of Virtual Desktop helped me set it up. Without him, with onboard streaming or usb cable, it would've looked like a Q2... night and day difference now. All praise to him. Great chap, lucky he was there!!

 

That´s very nice . ggodin is very helpfull answering ALL questions in the reddit channel.

9 hours ago, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

Spoiler: Compression is not one of them

 

Compression was my main concern for Pico4. Great to know that!

9 hours ago, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

The dedicated router the guide to setup will cover will be a TP Link Archer C6. If you do not have one but ordered a Pico 4, I suggest getting one.

 

Good tip!!. I have my router from the internet provider , it is 802.11ac with 2.4 and 5GHz with max 1734Mbps (model FG824CD).

The point is that the 5G band is also used by other members of the familiy, so I have two options:

1.- Put all members of the family in the 2.4Ghz band (this option could trigger some future retalitations from the members, even my dog!)

2.- Buy a dedicated 5G router for the Pico4 (configured as an Acces Point)

 

So, I think I will go for option 2. My first stop will be the one you mention TPLink Archer C6. Let´s see what I can find.

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

1 hour ago, chiliwili69 said:

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So, I think I will go for option 2. My first stop will be the one you mention TPLink Archer C6. Let´s see what I can find.

Absolutely, it is necessary. I tried a seperate AVM Fritzbox as a dedicated, and a repeater configured as AP. Others than the ones ggodin mentioned may provide the theoretical throughput but break / throttle under steady load. It's important that the stream is uninterrupted, also while going through the router itself. VR's enemies are disturbances and latencies, right? 

[simfan2015]

I would truly appreciatie some more advice from the il-2 VR experts here on following issue... 

Il-2 as well as DCS are looking incredible thanks to virtual desktop, 150 mbps and 72 hz. 

However, since I still rely on an rtx 3070 OC I have an issue with that 72 hz and v-sync on! 

I can't change the v-sync setting to off in il-2 in VR!? 

In il-2 as well as DCS I now get exactly the maximum framerate of... 36 fps, so half of 72 hz... No coincidence. When I used 90 hz this went up to 45 fps in il-2... But Visuals were not that perfect!? 

I hope that the experts here like ferris Wolf, dburke would be so kind to explain and just maybe get this sorted out with settings (or only possible with getting that rtx 4080!???) 

Thank you so much. 

Edited October 21, 2022 by simfan2015

[dburne]

2 hours ago, simfan2015 said:

I would truly appreciatie some more advice from the il-2 VR experts here on following issue... 

Il-2 as well as DCS are looking incredible thanks to virtual desktop, 150 mbps and 72 hz. 

However, since I still rely on an rtx 3070 OC I have an issue with that 72 hz and v-sync on! 

I can't change the v-sync setting to off in il-2 in VR!? 

In il-2 as well as DCS I now get exactly the maximum framerate of... 36 fps, so half of 72 hz... No coincidence. When I used 90 hz this went up to 45 fps in il-2... But Visuals were not that perfect!? 

I hope that the experts here like ferris Wolf, dburke would be so kind to explain and just maybe get this sorted out with settings (or only possible with getting that rtx 4080!???) 

Thank you so much. 

 

Typically that is how the fps works in VR when the headset is using something like ASW which interpolates a frame every other frame whenever the game cannot keep up fps to match the Hz the headset is running. So if it was a 72 Hz device if the game cannot maintain 72 fps in VR then it will half it to 36 fps to allow for interpolating the frames. Kind of a rough description. 

I do not know in your particular case with that new Pico headset how it works in the interpolating frames regard and whether that can be disabled or not. So yeah either Fenris or Chili should be able to answer that here soon as they have or are getting shortly the headset and should have some good feedback on it soon.

[simfan2015]

Thank you dburne! 

I indeed hope to learn if I could still change some settings to optimize the VR experience with an unsufficiently powerful rtx 3070 OC. 

Hopefully fenris and Chilli... are also able to offer my some additional tips, like changing hz to 90 or lower/optimize some in game settings. 

30-some fps is maybe ok for BVR in DCS jets, but of course not so for an il-2 wwi warplane dogfight ! 

Edited October 22, 2022 by simfan2015

[dburne]

2 hours ago, simfan2015 said:

Thank you dburne! 

I indeed hope to learn if I could still change some settings to optimize the VR experience with an unsufficiently powerful rtx 3070 OC. 

Hopefully fenris and Chilli... are also able to offer my some additional tips, like changing hz to 90 or lower/optimize some in game settings. 

30-some fps is maybe ok for BVR in DCS jets, but of course not so for an il-2 wwi warplane dogfight ! 

 

Yeah I found at least in my Varjo Aero I need to maintain a min of 45 fps ( preferably more) to keep the stutters down. The Aero is a 90 Hz device. If it does much below 45 fps the stuttering becomes very observant.

[simfan2015]

Indeed dburne, PC VR games with my pico 4 are nice to look at, but playing flightsim missions, racing cars around a track at a maximum of 35 fps is not enjoyable,not even feasible unless we always prefer to... Lose ?

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

3 hours ago, simfan2015 said:

Thank you dburne! 

I indeed hope to learn if I could still change some settings to optimize the VR experience with an unsufficiently powerful rtx 3070 OC. 

Hopefully fenris and Chilli... are also able to offer my some additional tips, like changing hz to 90 or lower/optimize some in game settings. 

30-some fps is maybe ok for BVR in DCS jets, but of course not so for an il-2 wwi warplane dogfight ! 

Monday / Tuesday

[simfan2015]

Thank you already Fenris Wolf! 

Looking forward to your findings. 

[chiliwili69]

Pico4 uses SteamVR as many of other devices. In SteamVR you have the "Motion Smoothing" option that should be deactivated in order to not be at 36fps as soon as your GPU is not able to mantain 72fps. Then you will have a variable number of fps between 0 a 72 depending on how constrained your GPU is. The less constrained the closer to 72fps.

fpsVR tool is the best app to monitor that while you are playing, so you will be able to experiment with the settings and the limits of your GPU.

[simfan2015]

OK, thank you chiliwilli69 ... that was it, and a similar option (as described in the Virtual Desktop App) was restriting the framerate to half of what it could be at 72 Hz.

I also set VD to 3070 IQ quality in the App.

I am so delighted because in IL-2 I can now -in VR- get up to 55-60 FPS and in DCS up to 40-45. 

At least I can now play again (36 FPS is IMHO too restricted), but now not in pancake but true VR.

I am pretty sure that experts here, with e.g. an RTX 4090, AMD 7950 and perfected VD, SteamVR and IL-2 setttings will be able to get even/far better visuals from this great HMD.

But I am already completely satisfied with my PICO 4.

  

Edited October 22, 2022 by simfan2015

[simfan2015]

Virtual Desktop for PICO 4 works wonders! 

I have succesfully used it to run 7 sims and games in PC SteamVR. 

However game number 8 simply does not run in VR with virtual desktop though, it only starts in VR with the native pico streaming app : Star Wars Squadrons... and therefore at a reduced picture quality. 

Star wars Squadrons also features an in-game toggle method to switch between pancake and VR and that may be a reason why!? 

[chiliwili69]

On 10/21/2022 at 9:49 AM, chiliwili69 said:

My first stop will be the one you mention TPLink Archer C6. Let´s see what I can find.

 

I ordered a router TPLink Archer C80 AC1900 for 58€:  https://www.amazon.es/dp/B0859MHXXB

It arrives today.

Hopefully the Pico4 arrives tomorrow...

 

Here are video which explained how to put a dedicated router configured as an access point (between the PC and the ISP router): 

 

Edited October 23, 2022 by chiliwili69

[dburne]

I just switched to my own modem from Xfinity's along with my own router.

I got an Asus dual band router and Motorola dual band modem. Got them hooked up yesterday. Boosted my download speed nicely over what I was getting with that older all in one Xfinity modem.

Edited October 23, 2022 by dburne

[simfan2015]

Chiliwilly and Dburne, nice to know of this! 

But when I look at the virtual desktop menu I get more than 780 mbit from my 1gb ethernet port and router, as far as I understand!? 

What would a dedicated router offer me more than that? 

I was planning to buy the pico wifi dedicated dongle as soon as that is available in 2023!? 

Don't you guys think that is a good, even preferable wifi 6 option??? 

More so, is the potential IQ upgrade even noticeable since the virtual desktop wifi streaming seems capped at 150 mbps anyway and is the pico 4 even supporting wifi 6 !? 

Edited October 23, 2022 by simfan2015

[dburne]

I am not that well versed in the tech of the current day modems and routers, and certainly not on the Pico 4 wireless feature so I will not be of much help there, hopefully others that are can chime in.

I do know the equipment I was using that was provided by Xfinity was older as it was the same as what we got when we had it set up after moving here and that was over 6.5 years ago. So my cable modem download speed increased by over 30% after replacing with my own new equipment and we have much better wifi coverage now throughout the home as well. 

 

[Dallas88B]

2 minutes ago, dburne said:

I do know the equipment I was using that was provided by Xfinity was older

Here in Australia, while not Xfinity, my experience was similar.
I initially changed to a newer modem (provided by the same ISP) for a significant improvement in download speed.
Later I changed to a different ISP and was provided a different modem (supplied by that different ISP) and got even better download speed.... nearly 20 percent faster than the original ISP had said was possible (given the infrastructure in the street and exchange) 

Was worthwhile for me. 

 

[chiliwili69]

9 hours ago, simfan2015 said:

What would a dedicated router offer me more than that? 

 

Here there is a page with a number of tips to improve the experience:

 

https://smartglasseshub.com/fix-virtual-desktop-lagging-issues/

 

Although my ISP router has two bands (2.4GHz and 5GHz with 1000Mbps) I opted to have a dedicated router (configured as access point) to be used only by the Pico4.

So, it will work only for the Pico4, non dependent of all other trafic of the 5GHz of the ISP router (where all my other family members are with Iphones, Ipads, Google Assistant, laptops, etc).

I know that the max bitrate is just 150Mbps, but this is only the bandwidth for the video streaming, there is also other data going in paralell (tracking, controllers, etc).

So, according to what I read (not tested myself) a dedicated router minimize latencies and stutters.

But, If your current config is already good, there is no point for you to go to a dedicated router.

 

I have just finished to setup the new router 5GHz band following the instructions of the video above, it is now ready to be used only for the Pico4. When it will arrives....

[simfan2015]

Thank you for the explanation chiliwilly69! 

That means I probably won't truly need a dedicated router AFAIK, but I do understand the need in Y

our use case!

 

BTW ggodin has anwered a question from me on Twitter... Star Wars Squadrons reportedly does work with virtual desktop if it is launcher from the virtual desktop Games tab. Unfortunately I can't seem to get the virtual desktop menu if the app is connected to a pc!!!? 

The menu button on the left pico 4 controller then always opens the SteamVR menu, not the virtual desktop system menu !!!? 

My guess is that I should not start SteamVR on the desktop, but from the virtual desktop menu, otherwise it shows the SteamVR menu instead!? 

 

 

 

Edited October 23, 2022 by simfan2015

[dburne]

1 hour ago, chiliwili69 said:

 

Here there is a page with a number of tips to improve the experience:

 

https://smartglasseshub.com/fix-virtual-desktop-lagging-issues/

 

Although my ISP router has two bands (2.4GHz and 5GHz with 1000Mbps) I opted to have a dedicated router (configured as access point) to be used only by the Pico4.

So, it will work only for the Pico4, non dependent of all other trafic of the 5GHz of the ISP router (where all my other family members are with Iphones, Ipads, Google Assistant, laptops, etc).

I know that the max bitrate is just 150Mbps, but this is only the bandwidth for the video streaming, there is also other data going in paralell (tracking, controllers, etc).

So, according to what I read (not tested myself) a dedicated router minimize latencies and stutters.

But, If your current config is already good, there is no point for you to go to a dedicated router.

 

I have just finished to setup the new router 5GHz band following the instructions of the video above, it is now ready to be used only for the Pico4. When it will arrives....

 

 

 

So you believe you will prefer to use wirelessly rather than through a USB 3 cable? IIRC you only run IL-2 right? Seems running through cable might be more solid than wirelessly but obviously I have no idea on the Pico 4.

Edited October 23, 2022 by dburne

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

For the routers, the guys over in the Virtual Desktop community have been testing for years, they're certainly more knowledgable than me on what router is best. I have understood that the specifications and metrics printed on the boxes are not what make a good router, but mostly quality of chipset, its size, its ability to dissipate heat and thus enable a steady, uninterrupted stream.

Then there are also things like hard limits on the XR2 chips of what they can process, as well as new WiFi 6 or 6E routers that perform worse than certain older ones only offering WiFi 5 - because their silicone is tighter (heat), or they use different not as established components on their boards or protocols leading to stutters, etc.

 

Quite hard to overview.

 

I checked a few routers for the Quest 2 (same XR2) myself, but not to the extend they have. But I can confirm what they say, for example that the Archer C6 ran better than any of the 3 WiFi-6 routers (2 from China, 1 from Germany) I had tested.

 

P.S. Also, when placing the antennas, remember the signal of the antenna revolves around here, and is weak from where she points. It is also advisable to hang the router to one wall, as high as possible, at least above your head. 

[dburne]

New Pico 4 Enterprise announced:

 

https://uploadvr.com/pico-4-enterprise-announced/

 

Still a lot cheaper than Quest Pro. Has face and eye tracking.

However one caveat - this is not intended for what we do. 

 

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But Pico told us Enterprise will only be sold to registered businesses, not individuals. Even if you somehow got your hands on one, it doesn’t access the consumer app store.

 

Edited October 24, 2022 by dburne

[chiliwili69]

21 hours ago, dburne said:

So you believe you will prefer to use wirelessly rather than through a USB 3 cable? IIRC you only run IL-2 right? Seems running through cable might be more solid than wirelessly but obviously I have no idea on the Pico 4.

 

I also thought that a cable would be always better than wireless, but it seems that for the max bit rate of the XR2 Gen1 chips (used by Quest2 and Pico4) which is 150Mbps, a good wifi 5GHz connection is as good as a cable.

 

On top of that, Virtual Desktop only offer wireless connection (no cable option).

The Pico4 Streaming Assistant offers both, cable and wireless, but both offers less quality than Virtual Desktop. (According to reviews, not tested myself yet).

 

I have recieved today a tracking number for the Pico4, so hopefully tomorrow will arrive.

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

The Pico 4 only makes sense when using it with Virtual Desktop. It turns into a whole different beast with this than if you first put it on in the standalone environment (in which even the resolution is lower than what the screens can give).

[dburne]

1 hour ago, chiliwili69 said:

 

I also thought that a cable would be always better than wireless, but it seems that for the max bit rate of the XR2 Gen1 chips (used by Quest2 and Pico4) which is 150Mbps, a good wifi 5GHz connection is as good as a cable.

 

On top of that, Virtual Desktop only offer wireless connection (no cable option).

The Pico4 Streaming Assistant offers both, cable and wireless, but both offers less quality than Virtual Desktop. (According to reviews, not tested myself yet).

 

I have recieved today a tracking number for the Pico4, so hopefully tomorrow will arrive.

 

It is my understanding that Virtual Desktop now offers streaming through the USB cable for Pico 4 and it is good. Can't recall where I saw that info though.

Edited October 24, 2022 by dburne

[simfan2015]

Dburne, streaming over the usb cable with the pico streaming app does work, but at only 100 mbps. 

 

I still have a real problem with getting the Virtual Desktop menu and settings back as soon as the VR headset got connection with the pc desktop. 

Whether I get to see the warped pc desktop or the steamvr screen is shown on the pico 4, pressing the menu button (on the left pico left controller) brings up the pico 4 menu and not the virtual desktop app screen! The pico OS does not seem to Multi task, trying to reselect the virtual desktop app simply reshows the pc desktop and not the virtual desktop menu to a.o. Start steam app or show 3d movies... 

Which button or pointer area brings the virtual desktop menu up again, I have no idea!? 

This behaviour does not show with the native pico app... That app can be retrieved by pushing the left controller menu button. Is this a bug? 

 

Edited October 24, 2022 by simfan2015

[dburne]

2 minutes ago, simfan2015 said:

Dburne, streaming over the usb cable with the pico streaming app does work, but at only 100 mbps. 

 

 

No I am talking streaming with the Virtual Desktop through USB3. It is my understanding Godin has that working nicely with the Pico 4. Don't know if it is just still in development or what as I can't recall where I saw that info - maybe on Discord.

[simfan2015]

AFAIK ggodin always mentioned he had no intention at all to make virtual desktop work over usb cable for the pico 4. But, of course, I do hope you are right dburne and that ggodin has changed his Mind. 

Edited October 24, 2022 by simfan2015

[dburne]

12 minutes ago, simfan2015 said:

AFAIK ggodin always mentioned he had no intention at all to make virtual desktop work over usb cable for the pico 4. But, of course, I do hope you are right dburne and that ggodin has changed his Mind. 

 

I suppose I always could have dreamed it but I really do not think so. Pretty sure I saw it somewhere just can't figure where.

[simfan2015]

Dburne I hope you can trace it back. If that will become an option then maybe we can have either higher bitrate or sustained transfer without interference. 

[Lensman1945]

11 hours ago, simfan2015 said:

Dburne, streaming over the usb cable with the pico streaming app does work, but at only 100 mbps. 

 

I still have a real problem with getting the Virtual Desktop menu and settings back as soon as the VR headset got connection with the pc desktop. 

Whether I get to see the warped pc desktop or the steamvr screen is shown on the pico 4, pressing the menu button (on the left pico left controller) brings up the pico 4 menu and not the virtual desktop app screen! The pico OS does not seem to Multi task, trying to reselect the virtual desktop app simply reshows the pc desktop and not the virtual desktop menu to a.o. Start steam app or show 3d movies... 

Which button or pointer area brings the virtual desktop menu up again, I have no idea!? 

This behaviour does not show with the native pico app... That app can be retrieved by pushing the left controller menu button. Is this a bug? 

 

To get back to the Virtual Desktop you press the far left button on the left controller - the one with three lines on. The button with the orange circle toggles you back to Pico home.

[simfan2015]

24 minutes ago, Lensman1945 said:

To get back to the Virtual Desktop you press the far left button on the left controller - the one with three lines on. The button with the orange circle toggles you back to Pico home.

Thank you so much !

I was completely focussed on that obviously wrong ... button ... in the dark ? !

Gonna try that ASAP.

[simfan2015]

Please allow me to report some progress I made recently to optimize my PICO 4 experience ? ...

 - I adapted a lot of settings in the PICO 4 setup, Virtual Desktop and SteamVR according to information gathered here @IL-2 Forum.

 - Watched all related Youtube Videos and also adapted my setup accordingly.

 - Got feedback from ggodin around the one game that can not be launched from PICO 4 Virtual Desktop.

    Ggodin wrote that I probably need to install the Oculus software to make it run in VR thru his Virtual Desktop Apps for ... PICO 4.

    He wrote that if he found the time he would see to it that it would no longer be required to install Oculus.

    (BTW I won't install Oculus software since it comes in at 9.3 GB and seems to mess up some installs as it proves quite intrusive)

 - I have now tested at ULTRA / RTX 3090 settings and PICO 4 PC VR visuals are breathtaking ! 

   All tack sharp ... everywhere I look.

- RTX 3070 OC / 12700K / DDR 5 : IL-2 with virtual desktop 'ultra' setting 2820/2820 pixels and Ultra settings in-game IL-2 as well still gets me between 30 and 48 FPS.   

- If I get additional feedback from the VR experts here @ IL-2 then I will, of course, make good use of that information too !

- I have never seen another HMD but the PICO 4, but if a.o. an Aero Varjo, HP Reverb G2 are even better then those headsets must be ... awesome.

- [I could share my settings -if people would like it- however ... I am quite sure people here are far more knowledgeable than I am at this and probably also have more in-depth knowledge than people on those forums and Youtube channels !] 

Edited October 25, 2022 by simfan2015

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

Hey guys,

 

no review or proper guide yet, after quite some crunchtime at work, the Fenris' daughter got two evenings of attention ?

 

 

I will write a guide that is structured and comprehensive with screenshots, but before that, since you're already with the headset, feel free to check this out:

 

When you get the Pico 4 Neo you'll want to get the Virtual Desktop App from the Pico Store. Be advised, the default pico store has lower resolution than the panels can do, and bleak looking colors. Don't be misled. ?

 

For the router, run the cable from PC into router, from router another cable into the internet-source. If you have a TP-Link Archer C6, Operation Mode is Access Point. Then go into Wireless, disable 2,4GHz, go to 5GHz settings, disable smart connect, security wpa2-psk, encryption AES, mode 802.11ac only, Channel Width 80MHz, Channel 48, Transmit Power High. Keep only the Pico exclusively to this network, and hang the router to the wall as high as possible (below ceiling). The antennas should not point to you, but form an X shape, and point to the corners of the wall.

 

 

In the Virtual Desktop companion app , on your PC Desktop you select: Codec HVEC, disallow remote connections, and I'm streaming audio separately from PC -> headphones (PXC 550 II, BT5 aptX LowLatency).

 

 

In Virtual Desktop (launch it from Pico Store) check these: To get the good colors, you want to go to streaming, select Ultra or Godlike on the left, 150Mbps below, and on the right hand side "increase video nominal range". Sharpening I kept at 75%. Under settings, keep dynamic lightning always enabled.

 

Then start IL-2 from within Virtual Desktop's Games library, and enjoy. This thing has no distortions whatsoever, a blast! If you have a bit of light leakage at the temples (depends on head shape), it'll become invisible quickly once you fire up a game. Steam menu is on left controller (3 stripes) button. Double tap the headset anytime (even loading time! tap using the controller for 100% success rate) to enable colored pass-through. Please keep it out of the sun. Ah, and also try 72Hz. It seems to be really sufficient for IL-2, does very well.

 

Also, experiment a bit with IPD, and pulling the Pico up or down - it affects clarity to the outer sides as well. The area of clarity in the Pico (80-90% of the lens radius) is as large as the entire Varjo Aero's lens. My eyebrow buldges are too pronounced to fully utilize the vertical FOV ?

 

I'll write the review later, as I said I was playing with my daughter instead today, she wouldn't let me go?

 

Best,

Fenris

 

@chiliwili69 @simfan2015 @SCG_Nerfection

Edited October 25, 2022 by SCG_Fenris_Wolf

[Varibraun]

6 minutes ago, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

I'll write the review later

 

Thanks...Very interested to see if you think it is an upgrade for the Reverb and if so, whether you think it is a stopgap worth the price while awaiting the next step from Valve/Pixmax/Varjo.

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

Just now, Varibraun said:

Thanks...Very interested to see if you think it is an upgrade for the Reverb and if so, whether you think it is a stopgap worth the price while awaiting the next step from Valve/Pixmax/Varjo.

I'm selling my Reverb G2 and keep the Pico 4, if that answers the question.. 

 

 

Still I remain curious especially about what Valve is cooking with its Deckard, and about future micro OLEDs as well. VR progress has always been incremental anyway. 

[Varibraun]

1 hour ago, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

I'm selling my Reverb G2 and keep the Pico 4, if that answers the question.. 

 

It does, thank you.  Now I guess I need to start looking into how to get one in the US.

[shirazjohn]

Thanks for the reviews so far guys. I have not been able to play for a while due to surgery on both eyes (detached retinas) . As a consequence of the surgery i will need a new pair of glasses as my prescription has changed and will also need new lens inserts for my g2.

 

So i think it may be worth holding of and getting the pico 4 as it seems pointless wasting money on the g2 inserts at this stage if the pico 4 is a worthy upgrade.

 

Vr optician are already selling the lens inserts for the pico 4 and they look quite thin i was wondering if there is enough room for spectacle wearers if you choose not to buy the inserts?

[simfan2015]

9 hours ago, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

In Virtual Desktop (launch it from Pico Store) check these: To get the good colors, you want to go to streaming, select Ultra or Godlike on the left, 150Mbps below, and on the right hand side "increase video nominal range". Sharpening I kept at 75%. Under settings, keep dynamic lightning always enabled.

 

Implementing your settings and advice makes for a very impressive improvement for PICO 4 IQ optimization ! 

We are all looking forward to your even more in-depth review and guide.

Thank you so much SCG_Fenris_Wolf !

Edited October 26, 2022 by simfan2015

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

41 minutes ago, shirazjohn said:

Thanks for the reviews so far guys. I have not been able to play for a while due to surgery on both eyes (detached retinas) . As a consequence of the surgery i will need a new pair of glasses as my prescription has changed and will also need new lens inserts for my g2.

 

So i think it may be worth holding of and getting the pico 4 as it seems pointless wasting money on the g2 inserts at this stage if the pico 4 is a worthy upgrade.

 

Vr optician are already selling the lens inserts for the pico 4 and they look quite thin i was wondering if there is enough room for spectacle wearers if you choose not to buy the inserts?

The Pico 4 comes with spacers in the package you can fit seamlessly in between lenses and glasses. You could try these first.