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Mysticpuma

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The hazy weather in the latest pictures has that look of incoming thunderstorm, the grey bank of oppressive cloud. 

 

This image is not the same as it isn't as dark, but it's a feel of what is represented. pexels-photo-6398589.thumb.jpeg.4a0fb99fdbfae0663bdcb98b235257a1.jpeg

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354thFG_Leifr

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14 hours ago, Enceladus said:

As stated by Buzzsaw in this thread, it's because TrueSky hasn't been fully implemented in these screenshots.

 

I see now.

This forum is a bit of a mess really, and it doesn't help that non-dev folk are having to cross post images because ATAG/TF neglect the official forum.

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Missionbug

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Truesky does seem to offer some nice variation in the weather so that has to be a good thing, difficulty for them is we have people here in the UK playing now who maybe experience much clearer weather than during the forties, especially over the main population centers than might have been the case back then.  They might be trying to replicate in some way the 'Pea Soupers' of years ago, that smog that London was so renowned for would be difficult to simulate now because most of us will not have experienced it as the pollution is much reduced since WWII, maybe there will be options to tweak things for the player if they do not like a particular effect.

 

Anyway, it is great to finally start to see some of the work actually going on with the sim.:cool:

 

Take care and be safe.

 

Wishing you all the very best, Pete.:biggrin:

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Mysticpuma

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Couple more images from various locations 

 

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343KKT_Kintaro

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From a friend of mine (translated from the French):

 

"I still dislike the Tobruk map, the cities are not realistic at all, the buildings give the impression they were "put" on a clean surface, normally the textures should be altered because the surroundings of a building are always trampled, tamped down, there are objects lying around etc... On the other hand, the English countryside is becoming really nice, I'm looking forward to the SpeedTree update, it should also bring a lot."

 

 

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Mysticpuma

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The following was asked in April 2021 but no answer has yet been given. 

 

"Could the roads/well travelled routes and areas on and surrounding the base be given a texture update to make them look a bit more lived in and travelled on? Currently it all looks very clinical but the areas certainly had tracks and signs of use as per this image. 

This is Wadi Gazouza, 1941.

 

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34 minutes ago, Mysticpuma said:

The following was asked in April 2021 but no answer has yet been given. 

 

"Could the roads/well travelled routes and areas on and surrounding the base be given a texture update to make them look a bit more lived in and travelled on? Currently it all looks very clinical but the areas certainly had tracks and signs of use as per this image. 

This is Wadi Gazouza, 1941.

 

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As has been mentioned many times, the Visual Update will include new textures for both maps, aircraft externals and cockpits.

 

There has been a comprehensive upgrade of all the terrain graphics and textures on both maps... this is in the VR Beta and will be present when the Visual Update is released.

 

Last answer on this subject.

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354thFG_Leifr

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@Buzzsaw Is there anywhere to see these images of the upgraded Tobruk? I don't know where to look on this forum now. Maybe @Mysticpuma can help out...

Veteran66

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1 hour ago, Leifr said:

@Buzzsaw Is there anywhere to see these images of the upgraded Tobruk? I don't know where to look on this forum now. Maybe @Mysticpuma can help out...

 

clear statements would help against speculations.

I see the new desert pictures too and think "this are the new desert textures"

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Dagwoodyt

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1 hour ago, Veteran66 said:

 

clear statements would help against speculations.

I see the new desert pictures too and think "this are the new desert textures"

We have seen videos of 4k terrain in England and France. AFAIK we have not seen vids of 4k terrain in DW-T. I remember chasing fleeing Bf-109's to their forlorn-looking home fields when DW-T was new. IDK how those lesser airbases look now post the terrain upgrade. Perhaps we will have to wait until the Visual Upgrade finally drops before we can assess how much has changed.

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343KKT_Kintaro

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1 hour ago, Veteran66 said:

clear statements would help against speculations.

 

 

I understand what you say... but please take into account that the present topic wasn't started by TFS (the developers), so there's no reason we (the players) demand anything from the devs.

 

 

1 hour ago, Veteran66 said:

I see the new desert pictures too and think "this are the new desert textures"

 

 

Again, TFS didn't post them, and there's almost nothing TFS said about them, thus it is up to you to be a responsible reader of the present forums by not stepping into excessive speculation. We all read the topic, we all enjoy (or not) the pics... and we know that none of these images comes directly from TFS, so... well, I think you got it.

 

 

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Veteran66

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8 minutes ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

  

 

 

I understand what you say... but please take into account that the present topic wasn't started by TFS (the developers), so there's no reason we (the players) demand anything from the devs.

 

 

 

 

Again, TFS didn't post them, and there's almost nothing TFS said about them, thus it is up to you to be a responsible reader of the present forums by not stepping into excessive speculation. We all read the topic, we all enjoy (or not) the pics... and we know that none of these images comes directly from TFS, so... well, I think you got it.

 

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/teamfusionmod/

here yesterday post:

Hi All, across the next couple of weeks we will be showcasing images from our visual update work, including 4K aircraft (internal and external), terrain and TrueSky
It's coming along well.
Let us know what you think.
 
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my english is not the best, but i read it as terrain update screen.
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343KKT_Kintaro

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That's ok, Veteran, but I don't follow the TFS Facebook. Maybe I should from now. At any rate, thank you for the input.

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16 minutes ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

That's ok, Veteran, but I don't follow the TFS Facebook. Maybe I should from now. At any rate, thank you for the input.

 

we all hope for a good update, i am sure Team Fusion will make the best, i love their work :)

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Buzzsaw

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11 hours ago, Leifr said:

@Buzzsaw Is there anywhere to see these images of the upgraded Tobruk? I don't know where to look on this forum now. Maybe @Mysticpuma can help out...

We have already shown multiple 4k images of Tobruk.

 

I expect at some point in the future you will see more.

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343KKT_Kintaro

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Veteran66 and Leifr give me the impresion they refer much more to the Tobruk map textures rather than the resolution format (if 2k or 4k). Anyway we only need to be patient, it's all what we need.

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Mysticpuma

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10 hours ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

That's ok, Veteran, but I don't follow the TFS Facebook. Maybe I should from now. At any rate, thank you for the input.

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Hi Kintaro. As pointed out, multiple images here are directly from TFS on their FB page. 

The community are the ones scratching around for pics, hence this thread has had them posted and has become one of the most read/commented on in recent months ?

Dagwoodyt

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13 hours ago, Leifr said:

@Buzzsaw Is there anywhere to see these images of the upgraded Tobruk? I don't know where to look on this forum now. Maybe @Mysticpuma can help out...

There is a 4k video clip over the Tobruk map on YouTube dated June 25 from Snapper. It is less than two minutes long and shows only a few seconds at low altitude over land. Not sure what is expected from Tobruk flights at low level compared to previous long tours over England and France.

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Buzzsaw

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A couple further comments about the demands for screenshots/videos.

 

We have been very clear the Visual Update is a work in progress... it is not finished yet.

 

So therefore the demand to see screenshots or videos from the current in-progress version as if these will reveal what the game + Visual Update will look like as a finished product is puzzling.

 

People who are complaining about about TF not releasing the 'latest' shots, but who then complain again when we show those shots don't deliver what they think we promised are really not paying attention.

 

To repeat:  The Visual Update is not finished... as soon as it is, we will release it... for free.

 

What you are seeing now in the screenshots/videos is incomplete.

 

We are not arbitrarily delaying it, we are working on it as hard as we can.  But implementing all these changes and getting them to all work together is a complex process.

 

By the way, the guys who are testing the VR Beta are seeing generally what is the latest version... anyone who has VR has been invited to join.

 

In addition, our Beta Tester group is also testing the new material in 2D... and one of the guys who is pushing for screenshots/videos, Mysticpuma by the way, has been offered the opportunity to join the Beta Testers anytime he wants.  He says he doesn't want to join because he doesn't want to be limited by having to ask permission before releasing screenshots and videos.

 

To sum up... we will release screenshots and videos as soon as there is the opportunity... but we are more focused on getting the Visual Update done and released so everyone can decide for themselves what it looks like.  Somehow, just guessing, ?  I suspect there will those who find something lacking.  But hey that's the risk we take. ?

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343KKT_Kintaro

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EDIT: Cheers, Buzzsaw (and thank you for the clarifications you brought), we posted almost simultaneously....

 

The fact is that I never liked Facebook as a support for videos or photographs. But thank you, Puma, I'll try to visit their Facebook from time to time. What I found interesting in your mobile screenshots is the numbers: there are thousands of "IL-2 Cliffs of Dover" followers in the TFS Facebook and (most likely) far less than one thousand in the present forums. Anyway, things seem to be moving forward as Pattle just opened one thread with a link to an ibb gallery of images. Have fun, it's over there:

 

 

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Mysticpuma

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6 hours ago, Buzzsaw said:

In addition, our Beta Tester group is also testing the new material in 2D... and one of the guys who is pushing for screenshots/videos, Mysticpuma by the way, has been offered the opportunity to join the Beta Testers anytime he wants.  He says he doesn't want to join because he doesn't want to be limited by having to ask permission before releasing screenshots and videos.
 

 

I have no text/email or PM offering me a position on the Truesky/4k testing team and would happily have it posted here with my reply refusing to join because I couldn't release images or video. 

 

I would hate for this to be a misunderstanding on my part as the accusation of me refusing to be involved for such an embarrassing reason would, I agree, show me in a completely different light, as it would a person making that accusation. Please share any text from me saying "He says he doesn't want to join because he doesn't want to be limited by having to ask permission before releasing screenshots and videos."

 

I await your reply with interest. 

 

HOWEVER.... 

as this must be a misunderstanding and I have no recollection or record in my extensive saved email and forum messages, let me say openly here, I am happy to join the Truesky and 4k graphics testing with no expectations of releasing any images or video. 

 

I await your further response. 

 

 

 

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343KKT_Kintaro

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Hey Puma, these are *horrible* reduced versions of images originally posted as high-resolution screenshots... pity...

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Hoots

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12 minutes ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

Hey Puma, these are *horrible* reduced versions of images originally posted as high-resolution screenshots... pity...

All the more reason for the devs to produce some actual screenshots really then. 

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15 minutes ago, Hoots said:

All the more reason for the devs to produce some actual screenshots really then. 

 

 

The above screenshots do come from the devs... ;)  and they are in high-res:

 

 

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Mysticpuma

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On 6/30/2022 at 6:52 PM, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

What I found interesting in your mobile screenshots is the numbers: there are thousands of "IL-2 Cliffs of Dover" followers in the TFS Facebook and (most likely) far less than one thousand in the present forums.

 

 

I admin the "IL-2 Sturmovik Cliffs of Dover Community" page with just short of 3000 members, often posts will get over 2000 views, posts get shared multiple times. 

There has been a lot of interest in Truesky, even with all the delays. The fact some images are now being released has finally started gaining interest again in the group. 

 

So yes, the FB pages have more interest than these forums, it's just a case of scratching around trying to find anything TFS themselves care to release. 

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On 6/30/2022 at 10:20 AM, Leifr said:

 

I see now.

This forum is a bit of a mess really, and it doesn't help that non-dev folk are having to cross post images because ATAG/TF neglect the official forum.

 

No they don't. How dare you. The official forum is whichever one they feel like posting on depending on which one had the last difficult questions on it silly. ;)

 

 

2 hours ago, Buzzsaw said:

A couple further comments about the demands for screenshots/videos.

 

We have been very clear the Visual Update is a work in progress... it is not finished yet.

 

So therefore the demand to see screenshots or videos from the current in-progress version as if these will reveal what the game + Visual Update will look like as a finished product is puzzling.

 

People who are complaining about about TF not releasing the 'latest' shots, but who then complain again when we show those shots don't deliver what they think we promised are really not paying attention.

 

To repeat:  The Visual Update is not finished... as soon as it is, we will release it... for free.

 

What you are seeing now in the screenshots/videos is incomplete.

 

We are not arbitrarily delaying it, we are working on it as hard as we can.  But implementing all these changes and getting them to all work together is a complex process.

 

By the way, the guys who are testing the VR Beta are seeing generally what is the latest version... anyone who has VR has been invited to join.

 

In addition, our Beta Tester group is also testing the new material in 2D... and one of the guys who is pushing for screenshots/videos, Mysticpuma by the way, has been offered the opportunity to join the Beta Testers anytime he wants.  He says he doesn't want to join because he doesn't want to be limited by having to ask permission before releasing screenshots and videos.

 

To sum up... we will release screenshots and videos as soon as there is the opportunity... but we are more focused on getting the Visual Update done and released so everyone can decide for themselves what it looks like.  Somehow, just guessing, ?  I suspect there will those who find something lacking.  But hey that's the risk we take. ?

 

I honestly do not understand you or the way you choose to engage with the community personally and as an organisation.

 

I'm guessing that since this is all still WORK IN PROGRESS and unfinished, and apparently should be viewed as unrepresentative of the intended end result which is very complex etc etc etc, that it should not be expected for the Visual Update to drop during summer 2022 as previously "hoped for" by yourself?

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Mysticpuma

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3 hours ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

Hey Puma, these are *horrible* reduced versions of images originally posted as high-resolution screenshots... pity...

A lot of the images in this unofficial thread, are images the team have shared on FB and are not in that link though, so it is what it is....and yet, that is the pity. The title of this thread does state "Facebook" too :)

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Some more pics below :)

 

 

 

 

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Dagwoodyt

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I've never understood why the closed beta is restricted to VR HMD owners. The Visual Update by its' description will affect everyone. No matter how long the Visual Update remains in "closed" beta there will eventually come a point where the Team must show it's cards. Calling it a "release" version will not alter the reality that, in effect, it will constitute an "open" beta. We are nearly five months into the "closed" beta. Can the "release" product be radically different from what testers are seeing now without an associated marked influence on release timeline? Waiting years for the "release" version works no hardship because there are other flight sim options available. Having followed Oleg's sims since release of the first (11 hour download) demo it's a fascinating drama to follow.

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14 hours ago, Mysticpuma said:

 

I have no text/email or PM offering me a position on the Truesky/4k testing team and would happily have it posted here with my reply refusing to join because I couldn't release images or video. 

 

I would hate for this to be a misunderstanding on my part as the accusation of me refusing to be involved for such an embarrassing reason would, I agree, show me in a completely different light, as it would a person making that accusation. Please share any text from me saying "He says he doesn't want to join because he doesn't want to be limited by having to ask permission before releasing screenshots and videos."

 

I await your reply with interest. 

 

HOWEVER.... 

as this must be a misunderstanding and I have no recollection or record in my extensive saved email and forum messages, let me say openly here, I am happy to join the Truesky and 4k graphics testing with no expectations of releasing any images or video. 

 

I await your further response. 

 

 

 

You were offered the opportunity to join the TF 5.0 Beta Testers team multiple times... this is the same team which is testing the VR Beta in 2D.  This is an established and trusted group of testers who continue to assist us with tests and bug spotting.

 

If you want to join, then just PM me with your current email and details and we'll get you set up.

 

The conditions would be you cannot share the access or post images/video without permission.

 

You must also have PC which is capable of 4k settings at high level of detail.

Mysticpuma

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On 7/2/2022 at 6:45 AM, Buzzsaw said:

A couple further comments about the demands for screenshots/videos.

In addition, our Beta Tester group is also testing the new material in 2D... and one of the guys who is pushing for screenshots/videos, Mysticpuma by the way, has been offered the opportunity to join the Beta Testers anytime he wants.  He says he doesn't want to join because he doesn't want to be limited by having to ask permission before releasing screenshots and videos.

 

 

 

12 hours ago, Buzzsaw said:

If you want to join, then just PM me with your current email and details and we'll get you set up.

 

Buzzsaw, happy to help but please clarify when and where exactly I said the quoted text in Bold? I have NEVER said that and I would like it clarified as it portrays me in a selfish light which as it is now on an open forum, I would like justified.

Can you please share/link/post anything, anywhere where I refused to help because you or TFS wouldn't let me share pictures?

 

I have made it clear that I am unhappy with TFS's reticence to provide updates, but as you have openly accused me of being unwilling to help with the quote "he says", then please justify this, I have no recollection of ever refusing to help or rejoin TFS with such demands. 

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7 hours ago, Mysticpuma said:

 

 

Buzzsaw, happy to help but please clarify when and where exactly I said the quoted text in Bold? I have NEVER said that and I would like it clarified as it portrays me in a selfish light which as it is now on an open forum, I would like justified.

Can you please share/link/post anything, anywhere where I refused to help because you or TFS wouldn't let me share pictures?

 

I have made it clear that I am unhappy with TFS's reticence to provide updates, but as you have openly accused me of being unwilling to help with the quote "he says", then please justify this, I have no recollection of ever refusing to help or rejoin TFS with such demands. 

I have just made the offer again and once again you are imposing conditions.

 

Not interested in a public pissing match.  Last post tolerated on this subject.

 

If you want access and are willing to abide by the conditions, contact me via PM.

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Fair enough, I appreciate you cannot back up your comment. "

I'll just leave the phrase" The truth will out" as my final comment on it. 

 

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other side of the coin ?

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It is beyond me why some people here (and in the steam forum) have made it their hobby to try to minimize the efforts and progress of the TFS team and this product. 

It seems some people unfortunately paid at least 100 times as much as I did for a sim that I personally still consider to be one of the best ever created and thus maybe being the best investment I ever made. 

The pictures shown are so realistic, it is most probably going to be the biggest improvement for any original game... not unlike Hello Games did for NMS. 

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Ladies,would you please stop with this childish forum fights, it gets me on my nerves ? THANK YOU!

 

I've found some new shots on steam. Really impressive  @Buzzsaw Keep up with this work.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, simfan2015 said:

It is beyond me why some people here (and in the steam forum) have made it their hobby to try to minimize the efforts and progress of the TFS team and this product. 

It seems some people unfortunately paid at least 100 times as much as I did for a sim that I personally still consider to be one of the best ever created and thus maybe being the best investment I ever made. 

The pictures shown are so realistic, it is most probably going to be the biggest improvement for any original game... not unlike Hello Games did for NMS. 

 

I agree. It is so incredibly inane as a hobby. If people don't like it then they should fly something else, or build a better sim... but criticising or minimising the work - especially of things which haven't been released yet... it seems so pointless. The same goes for complaining about the slow pace of work (which is quite common in software development).

 

I remember something similar when Cliffs of Dover came out. It was miserable to be on the forums... and almost impossible to do things like discuss using the sim (e.g. the mission builder or how to fly the planes etc.)

 

Honestly, I'd support a moderation rule that allowed removal of criticism if it isn't clearly constructive criticism.

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I played my first flight sim game at a friend's place, thank to his computer, that was 30 years ago in 1992. The game was "Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe", but before New Year's Eve I played "Their Finest Hour" and "Chuck Yeager's Air Combat" as well... same: at my friend's home. At the time there weren't forums where people could complaint to the developers... nor where the developers were [or were led to be] forced to justify themselves to the players.

 

Now, gents, I'm talking to all of you: please think about the above.

 

 

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Avimimus

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Okay - here is another suggestion - why not split this thread into two threads - one with the screenshots and one with the conversation (That is going to inevitably lead to duels).

 

12 minutes ago, 343KKT_Kintaro said:

I played my first flight sim game at a friend's place, thank to his computer, that was 30 years ago in 1992. The game was "Secret Weapons of the Luftwaffe", but before New Year's Eve I played "Their Finest Hour" and "Chuck Yeager's Air Combat" as well... same: at my friend's home. At the time there weren't forums where people could complaint to the developers... nor where the developers were [or were led to be] forced to justify themselves to the players.

 

Now, gents, I'm talking to all of you: please think about the above.

 

Interestingly, the developers were still able to make good products :) SWOTL had a lot of nice features and one of the best manuals in the history of games/sims.

 

Btw. The 2d art based aircraft in that game (each aircraft consisted of 16 images and eight cockpit images)... for one additional aircraft as an expansion it was the equivalent of either $107 or $161 CAD (I forget whether they were $40 USD or $60 USD in 1994 dollars)... for one aircraft!

 

We're getting a complete overhaul of all aircraft and landscape textures... a new weather engine and waves, new trees... and numerous other fixes for free.

 

I'm all for constructive criticism, but I think people do sometimes lose sight of what we should be grateful for - especially as we wouldn't have North Africa at all in any sim - if it wasn't for the volunteers (and now ex-volunteers) who have been working for nearly ten years to upgrade this sim and add content to it.

 

P.S. I hate to say 'Back in my day...' and 'You youngsters never had it so good...' but I have a feeling I'm probably saying this to people who are older than me but who have simply forgotten what things used to be like :)

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