Discussion of Sopwith Snipe, Siemens-Schuckert D.IV and Spitfire Mk.XIV w/ Teardrop Canopy Pre-Orders!

[sonicapollo]

Muuuuuuuuuuuch rather would have seen a rounded tail Spit IXc with multiple engine options. It would have filled the gap and covered mid 42-44.

[PatrickAWlson]

On 5/19/2022 at 6:54 PM, Jaws2002 said:

 

 

 

Hold your horses now.  Don't start with crazy talk about Noop24. First I want the Noop11 and Noop17. 

 

Only after those you have the right to talk about Noop24.

 

 

You will probably get your wish as they seem to be prioritizing conversion of existing RoF aircraft to FC.  They also seem to be going backwards from the end of the war, so the N17 and maybe even the N11 might be added in FC3 should FC3 actually happen.  

 

I personally would try to make FC3 late 1916 to early 1917 and not go all the way back to 1915/early 1916.  Doing 1915 gets you the Fokker E.III and N11 but they have nothing to fight except each other.

 

Albatros D.III, Albatros D.II, Halberstadt D.II

Sopwith Pup, DH2, Nieuport 17, RE8, FE2

 

The Germans already have the DFW which is a late 1916 product.  I would love to see two more German 2 seaters.  One 1917 model and a 1918.  if it was my call they would be the Rumpler C.IV and the LVG C.V.  Those two would be more of a challenge since they have never been part of the plane set.

 

With those planes you could have the air war from Summer 1916.

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

2 hours ago, PatrickAWlson said:

 

You will probably get your wish as they seem to be prioritizing conversion of existing RoF aircraft to FC.  They also seem to be going backwards from the end of the war, so the N17 and maybe even the N11 might be added in FC3 should FC3 actually happen.  

 

I personally would try to make FC3 late 1916 to early 1917 and not go all the way back to 1915/early 1916.  Doing 1915 gets you the Fokker E.III and N11 but they have nothing to fight except each other.

 

Albatros D.III, Albatros D.II, Halberstadt D.II

Sopwith Pup, DH2, Nieuport 17, RE8, FE2

 

The Germans already have the DFW which is a late 1916 product.  I would love to see two more German 2 seaters.  One 1917 model and a 1918.  if it was my call they would be the Rumpler C.IV and the LVG C.V.  Those two would be more of a challenge since they have never been part of the plane set.

 

With those planes you could have the air war from Summer 1916.

Sounds like a great plan/wish. I'd certainly be happy to see the developers follow that course.  Still would like to see the N24 as well though.   ?

[Jaws2002]

I really enjoyed the Noop11 and the eindecker. Good times in ROF when those were released.?

[Avimimus]

12 hours ago, PatrickAWlson said:

The Germans already have the DFW which is a late 1916 product.  I would love to see two more German 2 seaters.  One 1917 model and a 1918.  if it was my call they would be the Rumpler C.IV and the LVG C.V.  Those two would be more of a challenge since they have never been part of the plane set.

 

With those planes you could have the air war from Summer 1916.

 

Well we could really do with a two-seater for each side which falls into the 115km/h to 135 km/h speed range.

 

We'll likely eventually get the Fokker E.III and D.H.2 ported from RoF - and they'll need something they can catch. A lot of those slower types remained in service into 1917.

 

In comparison the Rumpler (C.I as well as C.IV) had a reputation for being almost uninterceptable - even by newer 1917 scouts. For me, I actually prefer interceptability - as it allows for air-combat  Although I do see the fun of an Ar-234 or Rumpler - I just think that there should always be at least one two-seater or bomber which is slow enough for the slowest fighter in the game to catch!

[jollyjack]

Just in case you don't want to wait for your Snipe:

 

Already available for only GBP 39.000 ..

 

https://sopwithaircraft.com/sopwith-super-snipe/

[Majakowski]

I know I know you can't always serve everyone the right way at the same time but lying here dehydrated and mummified since a decade, not knowing what water even looks like anymore:

[SYN_Vander]

4 hours ago, Avimimus said:

 

Well we could really do with a two-seater for each side which falls into the 115km/h to 135 km/h speed range.

 

We'll likely eventually get the Fokker E.III and D.H.2 ported from RoF - and they'll need something they can catch. A lot of those slower types remained in service into 1917.

 

In comparison the Rumpler (C.I as well as C.IV) had a reputation for being almost uninterceptable - even by newer 1917 scouts. For me, I actually prefer interceptability - as it allows for air-combat  Although I do see the fun of an Ar-234 or Rumpler - I just think that there should always be at least one two-seater or bomber which is slow enough for the slowest fighter in the game to catch!

 

True, but don't forget we have the Roland C.II in the RoF stable. If this will be ported to FC you'll have something you can intercept  

 

btw, love the quirkiness of this plane. It has windows!

 

16 hours ago, PatrickAWlson said:

...

I would love to see two more German 2 seaters.  One 1917 model and a 1918.  if it was my call they would be the Rumpler C.IV and the LVG C.V.  Those two would be more of a challenge since they have never been part of the plane set.

...

 

Yes that would be awesome. Let's settle this then. If there will be an FC 3 with the 'early' RoF planes then collector planes should be a Nieuport 24 and Rumpler C.IV or LVG C.V.  

Edited May 25, 2022 by SYN_Vander

[Avimimus]

6 hours ago, SYN_Vander said:

True, but don't forget we have the Roland C.II in the RoF stable. If this will be ported to FC you'll have something you can intercept  

 

No, sir! You are mistaken!

 

The LFG Roland C.II was perhaps the fastest two-seater of 1916 - even faster than the Rumpler:

165 km/h / 103 mph - LFG Roland C.II

152 km/h / 94 mph - Rumpler C.I

 

Compared to:

162 km/h / 101 mph - Nieuport 11

147.3 km/h / 91.5 mph - R.A.F. F.E.2b

130 km/h / 81 mph - Airco DH.2 (our variant)

120 km/h / 75 mph - Sikorsky S-16

 

Even if we picked the fastest variants it doesn't help:

156 km/h / 94 mph - F.E.2d

150 km/h / 93 mph - Airco DH.2 (fastest recorded variant)

 

We'd need one of the slower two seaters to remedy the sitaution - the well armed LVG C.II (first aircraft to bomb London), an Albatross C.I or a B-series which was re-armed with armament (which appears to have been quite common). A Pfalz A.II/E.III would also help (i.e. the German Morane Saulnier L - although it was substantially up-engined and could actually outpace the DH.2 we have). Anyway, there are options, but the Roland C.II isn't one of them  

 

Note: The Rumpler C.III was even slower than the C.I (and would be interceptable), it was only when the C.III was re-engined as the C.IV in 1917 that outpaced the LFG Roland (and then by only 7 km/h). Anyway, the Rumpler C.IV would help only if it was paired with the Rumpler C.III (essentially the same airframe but with a weaker engine). The Rumpler C.I is still too fast alas.

[SYN_Vander]

2 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

 

No, sir! You are mistaken!

 

The LFG Roland C.II was perhaps the fastest two-seater of 1916 - even faster than the Rumpler:

165 km/h / 103 mph - LFG Roland C.II

152 km/h / 94 mph - Rumpler C.I

 

Compared to:

162 km/h / 101 mph - Nieuport 11

147.3 km/h / 91.5 mph - R.A.F. F.E.2b

130 km/h / 81 mph - Airco DH.2 (our variant)

120 km/h / 75 mph - Sikorsky S-16

 

Even if we picked the fastest variants it doesn't help:

156 km/h / 94 mph - F.E.2d

150 km/h / 93 mph - Airco DH.2 (fastest recorded variant)

 

We'd need one of the slower two seaters to remedy the sitaution - the well armed LVG C.II (first aircraft to bomb London), an Albatross C.I or a B-series which was re-armed with armament (which appears to have been quite common). A Pfalz A.II/E.III would also help (i.e. the German Morane Saulnier L - although it was substantially up-engined and could actually outpace the DH.2 we have). Anyway, there are options, but the Roland C.II isn't one of them  

 

Note: The Rumpler C.III was even slower than the C.I (and would be interceptable), it was only when the C.III was re-engined as the C.IV in 1917 that outpaced the LFG Roland (and then by only 7 km/h). Anyway, the Rumpler C.IV would help only if it was paired with the Rumpler C.III (essentially the same airframe but with a weaker engine). The Rumpler C.I is still too fast alas.

 

Well I mean in 1917 obviously. I'm sure there were some Rolands still flying around then?

[Avimimus]

  

8 hours ago, Majakowski said:

I know I know you can't always serve everyone the right way at the same time but lying here dehydrated and mummified since a decade, not knowing what water even looks like anymore:

 

I do hope that they will make an FC.IV with the Channel map and floatplanes. I do hope that they'll consider a float-plane Ju-52 or an artillery spotting Ar-196 once they've refreshed the floatplane physics in the updated engine. I do hope that they'll eventually do a WWI Adriatic scenario using the surprisingly well documented Austro-Hungarian and Italian aircraft...

 

It is a lot to hope for (probably too much) - but I think I'll be pretty content if they do one of the above!

 

 

28 minutes ago, SYN_Vander said:

Well I mean in 1917 obviously. I'm sure there were some Rolands still flying around then?

 

I just checked the Frontbestand - they were withdrawn by June 1917 (first appeared operationally in April 1916- 42 on strengthen in April 1917, only 1 on strength by June).

 

The Albatross C.I outlasts it slightly, as does the LVG C.II. The Aviatik C.I was withdrawn around the same time. All of these aircraft were much more numerous and were introduced much earlier than the Roland C.II in addition to outlasting it slightly. The Roland is a very fast exotic aircraft, chosen for its appeal to the player rather than its numerical significance.

 

That said, I do hope they update it to include options for the Lewis Gun and the Plant pot field mods! We should definitely set up a poll!  I'm not against it being in the sim at all (I'd even want the Roland D.II included). However, I'd strongly disagree that it is a representative two-seater for the 1916-1917 timeframe or adequate as the only target for the fighters we'd be getting in FC IV (assuming it happens)!

 

P.S. It is worth noting that the D.H.2 wasn't withdrawn from France until June 1917, and the FE.2 remained in service even after that... so all of my comments about relative speeds do still apply.

Edited May 25, 2022 by Avimimus

[Fafnir_6]

45 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

  

 

I do hope that they will make an FC.IV with the Channel map and floatplanes. I do hope that they'll consider a float-plane Ju-52 or an artillery spotting Ar-196 once they've refreshed the floatplane physics in the updated engine. I do hope that they'll eventually do a WWI Adriatic scenario using the surprisingly well documented Austro-Hungarian and Italian aircraft...

 

 

 I think the Adriatic or Isonzo Line would rule!   They did also have the Brusilov Offensive map that could be released as Battle of Tarnopol with the following plane set:

 

Russia:

Ilya Murometz - from RoF

S-16 - from RoF

Lebed 2-seater

Nieuport 17 DUX - from RoF

Morane Parasol, Caudron G4 or Farman

 

vs

 

Central Powers:

Hansa-Brandenburg C.I (early/late) - most produced AH aircraft with one flying hyper-realistic replica now - see craftlab.at

Hansa-Brandenburg D.I Starstrutter - also being built by the guys at craftlab.at

Oeffag D.II/D.III - AH Albatros D.III need the 53 and 153 series for this map I think (maybe as engine mods?)...save the 253 series hotrod for the Italian front.

Fokker A.III/E.III - This might make the most sense to release here with the slow stuff present in the Russian list - Schwarzlose gun option

Albatros C.III/C.I - LVG C.II or Aviatik C.I could work here too but I think the Albatros C.III gives us the most mileage

 

Cheers,

 

Fafnir_6

 

Edited May 25, 2022 by Fafnir_6

[J2_Bidu]

On 5/24/2022 at 4:39 PM, PatrickAWlson said:

I personally would try to make FC3 late 1916 to early 1917 and not go all the way back to 1915/early 1916.  Doing 1915 gets you the Fokker E.III and N11 but they have nothing to fight except each other.

 

What about the FE2B, RE8, DH2 and Roland DII?

[Avimimus]

11 minutes ago, J2_Bidu said:

What about the FE2B, RE8, DH2 and Roland DII?

 

All of those are in Rise of Flight except the Roland D.II

 

Honestly, a Roland D.IIa, DH.5, and Moraine AI would make a great pack of 1917 fighters - all are very distinctive, were used in significant numbers - and one would get one for the Germans, one for the British, and one for the French - a nice trio.

[BlitzPig_EL]

It was common for the Roland "Whales" to fly escort for themselves actually.

[PatrickAWlson]

1 hour ago, J2_Bidu said:

 

What about the FE2B, RE8, DH2 and Roland DII?

 

I had 3 out of 4 in my list.  The Roland D.II would fit but it was generally considered to be a second rate fighter with relatively low production numbers.  I had forgotten the Roland CL.II which @SYN_Vander kindly reminded me of, so that would be a good late 16/early 17 plane to include.

 

The DH2 may seem to be an early war plane (it was) but it was active into 1917, so IMHO it fits.  The FE2 that we have in RoF is actually the D and no the B.  Again, good fit for late 16/early 17.  Especially since it can be used in drag as a stand in for the Farman.  The  RE8 is IMHO the most immediately important one, as there is no corps recon plane represented in FC at the moment.

[Avimimus]

19 minutes ago, PatrickAWlson said:

I had 3 out of 4 in my list.  The Roland D.II would fit but it was generally considered to be a second rate fighter with relatively low production numbers.  

 

Out of the German fighters not yet modelled, the Roland D.II/D.IIa had the highest numbers in service - more numerous than the Fokker D.II or D.III or the Roland D.VIa/D.VIb or Pfalz D.XII etc.

 

It peaked with 169 operational at the front in June 1917. At this time the Albatross D.II had 72 in service, Albatross D.III had 303, and D.V had 216. In comparison, the Albatross D.II peaked at 216 in service several months earlier.

 

So if one was picking a German fighter to model, and basing the decision on peak numbers in service - it would be the first pick. I do think that there is a case that the Roland D.VI would be a slightly higher priority though (it was as produced as the SSW fighters and fits well with the 1918 planeset). But the Roland D.II would be the next priority after - and certainly the highest priority for a German fighter in 1917.

 

 

 

19 minutes ago, PatrickAWlson said:

The DH2 may seem to be an early war plane (it was) but it was active into 1917, so IMHO it fits.  The FE2 that we have in RoF is actually the D and no the B.  Again, good fit for late 16/early 17.  Especially since it can be used in drag as a stand in for the Farman.  The  RE8 is IMHO the most immediately important one, as there is no corps recon plane represented in FC at the moment.

 

I believe you are mistaken with regard to the F.E.2b, see:

F.E.2b / Store / Rise of Flight - free-to-play game about the World War I

 

I do hope that, if they port it to Flying Circus, they will use the opportunity to give us the F.E.2d as well - it would give it a more powerful and varied armament, and quite a bit more speed. I would probably fly it quite a bit more.

 

I agree about the F.E.8 being a priority for FC.III - although a Sopwith Strutter (especially a version with a less powerful engine that is easier for the Eindecker to catch) would be next on my list.

Edited May 25, 2022 by Avimimus

[PatrickAWlson]

@AvimimusAs an interesting plane I think the Roland D.II is fine.  For me I would not include it in an FC3 pack because IMHO there are more impactful choices.  I am pretty sure the FE that we have is a later one with higher HP.  I could be wrong about the D designation.

[LukeFF]

12 minutes ago, PatrickAWlson said:

@AvimimusAs an interesting plane I think the Roland D.II is fine.  For me I would not include it in an FC3 pack because IMHO there are more impactful choices.  I am pretty sure the FE that we have is a later one with higher HP.  I could be wrong about the D designation.

 

The FE in ROF is the B model: https://riseofflight.com/store/aircraft/fe2b/

[76IAP-Black]

What everybody overread is the fact, that we are getting recon and spotting ability for FC, and we are getting a recon version of the spitfire 

[Avimimus]

2 hours ago, 76IAP-Black said:

What everybody overread is the fact, that we are getting recon and spotting ability for FC, and we are getting a recon version of the spitfire 

 

Yeah - that is the really exciting part. Although having a couple of truly new scouts for WWI will be... a wonderful thing. A fresh experience after almost a decade of no new aircraft being modelled for that era.

[US103_Baer]

10 hours ago, SYN_Vander said:

 

Well I mean in 1917 obviously. I'm sure there were some Rolands still flying around then?

The Roland C II in RoF was too fast for the N11 and even the N17 was struggling. You needed Spad VII 150s to deal with them. 

 

How to attack a 2 seater that is the same speed or faster than enemy fighters, that has clear fields of fire at anything above it and flies at ground level? If you're lucky you get 1 'dive' at it, slowly gaining on it through withering mg fire and using a single Lewis pop gun. No thanks! That is not a 1916 central recon.

 

We need something like the Albatros C.III. 145kph top speed. Served Jan 1916 - mid 1917. Large numbers operational.  

 

So 1916-17 (FC3) Central 2-seaters. Albatros CIII and Roland CII

 

For the Entente, the Sopwith Strutter and RE8. Though yes, I'd love to see a Be2 or Caudron too

[EAF19_Marsh]

I am pretty sure - without checking at this second - the the BE series remained the RFC's main Corps machine from 1915 until sometime in mid-1917. Certainly scanning down Wiki it seems to have equipped around 60 squadrons over the course of the war and is certainly 'catchable' by all German types.

 

Also neatly succeeded by our RE-8s, DH-4s and F-2Bs.

 

So I would vote for this unloved workhorse as the solution on the Allied side.

[SYN_Vander]

10 hours ago, US103_Baer said:

The Roland C II in RoF was too fast for the N11 and even the N17 was struggling. You needed Spad VII 150s to deal with them. 

 

How to attack a 2 seater that is the same speed or faster than enemy fighters, that has clear fields of fire at anything above it and flies at ground level? If you're lucky you get 1 'dive' at it, slowly gaining on it through withering mg fire and using a single Lewis pop gun. No thanks! That is not a 1916 central recon.

 

We need something like the Albatros C.III. 145kph top speed. Served Jan 1916 - mid 1917. Large numbers operational.  

 

So 1916-17 (FC3) Central 2-seaters. Albatros CIII and Roland CII

 

For the Entente, the Sopwith Strutter and RE8. Though yes, I'd love to see a Be2 or Caudron too

 

Okay, you guys have convinced me that the German two-seater that would make most sense to add -if all RoF planes will be ported to FC- is an early war one. Still at this point I'd welcome ANY German two-seater. With RoF planes combined we'll only have:

• Roland CII
• DFW CV
• Halberstadt CLII

for the Central side. And the latter is actually designed as heavy escort fighter, not really a recon/spotter

 

vs

• RE8
• Breguet 14
• Bristol F2B (F.II / F.III)
• Airco DH.4
• Sopwith Strutter
• F.E.2.b

 

[Avimimus]

@SYN_Vander I'm glad I'm making at least some sense!

 

One observation: There are two Entente Great Powers (Britain and France) vs. one Central Power (Germany). So one could argue that it makes sense for the Entente to have more two-seaters.

 

I think, in an ideal world, we'd have a slow German two-seater (that could be caught by the DH.2) and Entente two seaters that would be more vulnerable to the Fokker Scourge as well. The B.e.2c is a must for the British. For the French a Voisin would be ideal from a historical perspective, but a Caudron G.IV would also work (and would likely sell better). So it'd be great if we could get all three someday. If they do FC.IV there should be at least two or three open slots (assuming ten aircraft per module)... so... one can dream I suppose!

 

That said - I'd personally love a late war two-seater for Germany (Hannover CL.III, maybe even an Albatros J.I). These also make more sense with our current planeset.

[J2_Bidu]

13 hours ago, Avimimus said:

One observation: There are two Entente Great Powers (Britain and France) vs. one Central Power (Germany). So one could argue that it makes sense for the Entente to have more two-seaters.

 

Yes, sometimes it seems like France was just moderately involved in a Great Britain vs Germany war. I suppose that's due to the English language predominance, but quite a shame.

Edited May 27, 2022 by J2_Bidu

[Avimimus]

16 minutes ago, J2_Bidu said:

Yes, sometimes it seems like France was just moderately involved in a Great Britain vs Germany war. I suppose that's due to the English language predominance, but quite a shame.

 

Very much an English language bias. It seems like a lot of WWI records were lost during the Second World War and Vichy era... which makes it hard to research - but I also suspect that part of the lack of awareness stems from the Franco-British rivalry that was common in the 19th century. The switch to the Entente Alliance was still new in WWI, as was the idea of Germany as the major rival rather than France... so it seems that a lot of the wartime or interwar English language records are only interested in French aircraft in British (or American) service, with very little in the way of actually documenting France.

 

Over the course of the war France lost 52,640 aircraft compared to 35,973 for England and 27,637 for Germany.

 

France also pioneered strategic bombing, with massed raid of several dozen bombers attacking the same target simultaneously - at a time when the other powers were still focused on reconnaissance. They also deployed the first operational armoured ground attack aircraft (beating Germany and the U.K. by a couple of years).

 

It is a shame that the English speaking world knows so little about it!

[352ndOscar]

As I stated in another thread along these lines, I’d say we need the Salmson 2A2, and the Rumpler C. IV - a bi-place needed for both sides……

[SYN_Vander]

32 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

 

Very much an English language bias. It seems like a lot of WWI records were lost during the Second World War and Vichy era... which makes it hard to research - but I also suspect that part of the lack of awareness stems from the Franco-British rivalry that was common in the 19th century. The switch to the Entente Alliance was still new in WWI, as was the idea of Germany as the major rival rather than France... so it seems that a lot of the wartime or interwar English language records are only interested in French aircraft in British (or American) service, with very little in the way of actually documenting France.

 

Over the course of the war France lost 52,640 aircraft compared to 35,973 for England and 27,637 for Germany.

 

France also pioneered strategic bombing, with massed raid of several dozen bombers attacking the same target simultaneously - at a time when the other powers were still focused on reconnaissance. They also deployed the first operational armoured ground attack aircraft (beating Germany and the U.K. by a couple of years).

 

It is a shame that the English speaking world knows so little about it!

 

So right. Whenever I visit France I look into a book store and there are a number of warbirds magazines with a wealth of detailed information. If only my French was better!

It's a pity WW1 flightsims are not so popular, because there is sooooo much more to add. The number of aircraft types developed during the Great War is staggering!

[Todt_Von_Oben]

Been wanting a Snipe for a while.  Thanks!

 

Problem, maybe?

 

I just went there and put the Snipe and the SS in my cart.  (Also grabbed that new DC3.  Used to fly one and can't wait to get it.  MANY thanks!)

 

But as I was checking out I saw the phrase "A NON STEAM PRODUCT" or the like.   Hmmmmm..

 

I have FC from the Devs; used it with my old CV1.  Now that I've got a G2, I'm flying a Steam version of FC.

 

Does that NON STEAM stuff mean these collector planes won't fly in FC Steam VR?

 

Please tell me that ain't so.  Got my heart set on that Three.

[Jason_Williams]

1 minute ago, Todt_Von_Oben said:

Been wanting a Snipe for a while.  Thanks!

 

Problem, maybe?

 

I just went there and put the Snipe and the SS in my cart.  (Also grabbed that new DC3.  Used to fly one and can't wait to get it.  MANY thanks!)

 

But as I was checking out I saw the phrase "A NON STEAM PRODUCT" or the like.   Hmmmmm..

 

I have FC from the Devs; used it with my old CV1.  Now that I've got a G2, I'm flying a Steam version of FC.

 

Does that NON STEAM stuff mean these collector planes won't fly in FC Steam VR?

 

Please tell me that ain't so.  Got my heart set on that Three.

No that’s not what it means. It means what you are buying on the website is not a Steam key. All Collector Planes are also sold on Steam when they are ready. 
 

Jason

[Todt_Von_Oben]

Cool, thanks!  I'm there!

 

ADD ON:  I went to the store, put the Snipe, SS, and DC3 in my cart, bought and paid for with Paypal.  Then it directed me to something called BABKA and what I'm supposed to do there isn't clear.  

 

Now that I've bought the planes, how do i download them?  Do I have to go through Babka; or... ?

 

DISREGARD: remembered where the purchase files are kept. 

Edited June 2, 2022 by Todt_Von_Oben

[J2_Nedo]

how did they aim with the Roland D.II?  uuf 

[CSW_Tommy544]

42 minutes ago, Todt_Von_Oben said:

Cool, thanks!  I'm there!

 

ADD ON:  I went to the store, put the Snipe, SS, and DC3 in my cart, bought and paid for with Paypal.  Then it directed me to something called BABKA and what I'm supposed to do there isn't clear.  

 

Now that I've bought the planes, how do i download them?  Do I have to go through Babka; or... ?

You'll find your new planes in your hangar the next time you start the game, no need to download anything else. ?

[RNAS10_Mitchell]

52 minutes ago, Todt_Von_Oben said:

Cool, thanks!  I'm there!

 

ADD ON:  I went to the store, put the Snipe, SS, and DC3 in my cart, bought and paid for with Paypal.  Then it directed me to something called BABKA and what I'm supposed to do there isn't clear.  

 

Now that I've bought the planes, how do i download them?  Do I have to go through Babka; or... ?

They should be available to you when you start the game after they are released.   These planes are not actually out yet. 

Edited June 2, 2022 by RNAS10_Mitchell

[Avimimus]

22 minutes ago, J2_Nedo said:

how did they aim with the Roland D.II?  uuf 

 

By looking over-top of the wing (as in the Roland C.II). The upward visibility is exceptional, and visibility to the rear is excellent as well.

 

That said, I suspect that the height of the pilot (and seat adjustments) would be important with such a design.

 

 

 

To see downward the pilot would have to lean to one side though.

 

 

Edited June 2, 2022 by Avimimus

[Vishnu]

1 minute ago, Avimimus said:

 

By looking over-top of the wing (as in the Roland C.II). The upward visibility is exceptional, and visibility to the rear is excellent as well.

 

 

 

 

To see downward the pilot would have to lean to one side though.

 

 

The guy in the middle totally looks like absolute badass. 

[Avimimus]

1 hour ago, Todt_Von_Oben said:

I have FC from the Devs; used it with my old CV1.  Now that I've got a G2, I'm flying a Steam version of FC.

 

Does that NON STEAM stuff mean these collector planes won't fly in FC Steam VR?

 

Please tell me that ain't so.  Got my heart set on that Three.

 

So, you should be able to link your steam copies with your account one the www.il2sturmovik.com website, and use the downloaded installer. You'll be able to access all of your steam and non-steam content in VR. You will just be launching it with a different shortcut rather than launching it through Steam.

 

 

2 minutes ago, Vishnu said:

The guy in the middle totally looks like absolute badass. 

 

"At 44 years old, Lt. Friedrich N. Guttler was one of the oldest fighter pilots and was, of course, known as 'Papa' to the other pilots of his unit, Jasta Ober Ost on the Eastern Front. Here he is in the cockpit of his Roland-built D.IIa."

 

Source: J.Herris - Roland Aircraft of WWI via:

 LFG Roland D.II (flyingmachines.ru)

Edited June 2, 2022 by Avimimus

[Todt_Von_Oben]

Yeah, duhh..  I remembered where stuff like that is and found the purchase files right where they should be.  Thank you!  

[Avimimus]

On 5/27/2022 at 1:50 PM, 352ndOscar said:

As I stated in another thread along these lines, I’d say we need the Salmson 2A2, and the Rumpler C. IV - a bi-place needed for both sides……

 

I've been thinking about this! You inspired me to do some reading! I definitely see the argument for the Salmson 2A2 - France could do with another two-seater, and was historically important. The production numbers alone (~3200) show its historical significance.

 

The Rumpler C.IV is famous and elegant. It is the last of the Rumplers to have the option for a forward firing gun and bombs (although both were often deleted), and has a top speed within 5 km/h of the fastest Central Powers two seaters to see widespread. The high altitude flight would make attempted intercepts interesting, as aircraft handling would be different.

 

My major hesitation with desiring the Rumpler C.IV is the handling characteristics. I was reported to be prone to stalling and had bad spin characteristics. It was reportedly slow to enter a roll and difficult to bring out of a turn, bad with gusts and tail heavy - although reasonably maneuverable. It doesn't sound fun to fly. So I can't help but to think that it'd be difficult to catch (as an AI opponent) and unpleasant to fly as a player aircraft. If anyone has a different perspective - I'd love to hear it.

 

P.S. While the Salmson 2a2 it isn't absurdly fast although, at 185 km/h it is still too fast for the Albatros D.II, Pfalz D.III, Halberstadt D.II and Fokker E.III to catch. I still think the most useful and fascinating French two-seaters for the sim would be one from the 1916-1917 era (Voisin VIII, Caudron G.IV, or even Morane Saulnier L).

Edited June 3, 2022 by Avimimus