Better 3d in VR - Greater Depth!

[Dagwoodyt]

Looks like I might now be imagining things because I can almost swear that I am perceiving differences in height of trees in GB on my flat screen monitor   ?

[unlikely_spider]

3 hours ago, Firdimigdi said:

 

Yes and support for them was removed from the drivers entirely after a certain driver version.

So I'm not sure what to make of this. Has anyone noticed these settings adversely affect 2D uses?

[Dagwoodyt]

40 minutes ago, unlikely_spider said:

So I'm not sure what to make of this. Has anyone noticed these settings adversely affect 2D uses?

I ran a track in 2D with the "tweak". No problem.

[Youtch]

13 hours ago, dburne said:

The ones that saw no difference I would first question if all values were input properly. Once that is double checked and confirmed, if it still does not work then I guess it won't work.

Values were input properly, triple-checked and the experience was repeated twice, and no perceivable difference.

 

We haven t seen either any screenshot through the lenses showing difference before and after.

 

The fact that some people also certified that it had drastically improved without actually following the proper sequence to activate effectively the change also cast a lot of doubts about the whole experience.

Edited April 18, 2022 by Youtch
typo

[dburne]

13 minutes ago, Youtch said:

Values were input properly, triple-checked and the experience was repeated twice, and no perceivable difference.

 

We haven t seen either any screenshot through the lenses showing difference before and after.

 

The fact that some people also certified that it had drastically improved without actually following the proper sequence to activate effectively the change although cast a lot of doubts about the whole experience.

 

Hey that's cool doubt away, no skin off my back.

 

Have fun,

[SvAF/F16_Goblin]

Well, this could be snake oil but having said this, without any other evidence than my "feelings" I'd say it works for me ?

 

I cleaned all settings by resetting profiles through Nvidia CPL and Nvidia PI making sure all was standard. 

Flew a couple of missions and tried to form a mental basis for how it looks.

Deleted the "launcher" profile for IL-2 in NPI.

Went in NPI and set the changes in the "IL-2 Sturmovik: Battle of Stalingrad" profile connected to IL-2.exe (I've added IL-2.exe previously in NVCPL) and applied them.

 

I'm aware of the technical reasons why this should not work as stated but I "feel" as it works.

There is perceived better definition of the trees and objects on the ground, there is better "feel" of distance and height is the best way I can explain it.

The world outside the cockpit has better "volume" and definition in my perception.

 

Cant explain it and I will just relax and "feel" good about it and except that I believe it works for me.

 

Specs:
PC: Win 10 Home (21H2 Build 19044.1566), ASUS PRIME Z690-P D4, DDR4 32 GB RAM (3400 MHz), Intel Core i5-12600K (P core 5.0 / E core 3.8 / Ring 4.0), GIGABYTE RTX 3080 VISION OC 10G (rev2), Monitor Acer Predator 100Hz 3440x1440
VR: Reverb G2 (rev 2) WMR @ 90Hz and 2160x2160 resolution, Steam VR Beta, WMR for Steam Beta, No reprojection, Steam VR PD set @ 2448x2396 resolution (60%) and OpenVR_FSR 2.1.1 set at 0.77 with no sharpen and radius 0.6.
GC: Virpil T-50CM2 Stick, VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Throttle, MFG Crosswind Pedals
NV Driver 511.79

Edited April 18, 2022 by SvAF/F16_Goblin

[firdimigdi]

10 hours ago, dburne said:

But - I am telling you, IL-2 exe does not have to be tied into it in this case, it works.

 

OK, this settles the whole thing for me. Thanks for clearing it up.

 

  

10 hours ago, dburne said:

Understand though there are several that it does work for.

 

I never doubted that people have perceived/felt a difference after saving the profile to disk and never having it apply.

 

Following the same train of thought, they probably never needed to create a new profile for the wellness tweak since it already exists in the "VRdirectx" profile and that one too is not associated with any of the executables of the games in question. So if the newly made profile does not need to be associated it is only logical that the VRdirectx profile which also is not associated should affect it as well; in fact all the game profiles that are not associated should be in effect. But alas, that annuls the concept of game profiles.

 

  

10 hours ago, unlikely_spider said:

So I'm not sure what to make of this. Has anyone noticed these settings adversely affect 2D uses?

 

No, the wellness tweak only causes some people to perceive/feel some benefit/difference/something in VR*, even if they are simply saved to disk and never loaded, and do not affect screen usage despite being added initially by nVidia specifically for screen usage.

 

* some say it makes 3D even more 3D and others say it makes things clearer and others say it increases contrast and definition

 

  

2 hours ago, SvAF/F16_Goblin said:

VR: Reverb G2 (rev 2) WMR @ 90Hz and 2160x2160 resolution, Steam VR Beta, WMR for Steam Beta, No reprojection, Steam VR PD set @ 2448x2396 resolution (60%) and OpenVR_FSR 2.1.1 set at 0.77 with no sharpen and radius 0.6.

 

I am pretty sure that on an i5 12500K with a 3080 you should be able to push the resolution higher and it will feel even better as currently you are effectively running it at 1884 width (2448*0.77) upscaled to 2448 and with no sharpening so it's about the same resolution as a Rift S.

 

Btw, IMO, the only way to test if you get the same "feeling" is to record a track and replay it both with and without the wellness tweak. Otherwise lighting conditions and flight path will likely differ; the former can, through the cunning use of shadows, induce a sense of higher depth perception.

 

Edited April 18, 2022 by Firdimigdi
tweaked for wellness

[SvAF/F16_Goblin]

@Firdimigdi
Not to derail the thread.
It's a tradeoff wanting to run without reprojection which in my view blurs the image (perceived) for me.
Perhaps I can ramp it up a bit more  but with the upscaling after rendering it looks quite good with almost all settings in IL-2 on max.

 

 

Edited April 18, 2022 by SvAF/F16_Goblin

[firdimigdi]

54 minutes ago, SvAF/F16_Goblin said:

@Firdimigdi
Not to derail the thread.
It's a tradeoff wanting to run without reprojection which in my view blurs the image (perceived) for me.
Perhaps I can ramp it up a bit more  but with the upscaling after rendering it looks quite good with almost all settings in IL-2 on max.

 

I can't stand the reprojection artifacts either and have it disabled. If you've chosen to play with everything set to max, then yes indeed you have to sacrifice the G2's increased resolution and clarity. Pity IMO as the HMD's panels really show their potential at higher resolutions.

 

Keeping in line with the thread's subject, according to the wellness tweak's initial discoverer you need higher resolution to see the changes it incurs.

 

Edited April 18, 2022 by Firdimigdi
tweaked for wellness

[SvAF/F16_Goblin]

1 hour ago, Firdimigdi said:

 

I can't stand the reprojection artifacts either and have it disabled. If you've chosen to play with everything set to max, then yes indeed you have to sacrifice the G2's increased resolution and clarity. Pity IMO as the HMD's panels really show their potential at higher resolutions.

 

Keeping in line with the thread's subject, according to the wellness tweak's initial discoverer you need higher resolution to see the changes it incurs.

 

Yes, you are right about that so I turned off the scaling and disabled the OpenVR_FSR "mod" and set the "per game" resolution to 56% (ca 2400*2400) and I get above 75 fps in most tests and it's clear and sharp with acceptable frametimes most of the time.

Edited April 18, 2022 by SvAF/F16_Goblin

[Youtch]

For those who are actually associating the new profile with IL2.exe, could the reason for the perceived improvement be that the starting point is not the same, aka having messed up top much with global profile or IL2 profile through Nvidia settings prior to apply the change, and hence finding that the new settings improve the experience?

 

@Firdimigdi: What is your Nvidia settings for IL2?

Edited April 18, 2022 by Youtch

[firdimigdi]

2 minutes ago, Youtch said:

@Firdimigdi: What is your Nvidia settings for IL2?

 

Default settings with Virtual Reality pre-rendered frames changed to 2.

[SvAF/F16_Goblin]

I never touch the global profile. Always set "per game" profiles. Also very few settings in NVCPL does anything in VR. The ones "I know" doeas something is marked bold.
My settings in IL-2 as standard (when not experimenting  ) is:

Monitor Technology: Fixed refresh rate (just want G-Sync out of the equation when in VR)

Power Management: Prefer Maximum Performance

Negative LOD: Clamp, This supposedly minimize "shimmering"

Texture Filtering: High Quality (This disables Trilinear optimization even when it says On), This supposedly minimize "shimmering"

Pre rendered frames: 1

 

Thuds site is a baseline Thud's VR4DCS but it's in need of some updates.

Edited April 19, 2022 by SvAF/F16_Goblin

[Youtch]

5 hours ago, SvAF/F16_Goblin said:

Prefer Maximum Performance

I thought that while this looked initially as a good idea, the consensus was that this was not recommended because it would cause your GPU to throttle over time.

 

I didn t read about the possible improvement on shimmering through modifying those 2 parameters: Negative LOD and Texture Filtering. But i am no expert in that field.

[Dagwoodyt]

I added the "tweak" to both "Global" and Il2.exe per game NPI profiles. The nice thing about tweaks that do nothing is that there is no need to disable them later  ?

[Chilli_40]

On 4/17/2022 at 10:50 AM, Firdimigdi said:

 

Yes, these are the exact settings I used, after all they are in the VRdirectx profile and can be copied over - as mentioned I did this multiple times so far (here is a post in this very thread with a screenshot of the settings I used the last time around). By the way, you are missing one step: assign the profile to il-2.exe, otherwise it is not loaded. Simply creating the "3D VR" profile and adding these settings and pressing "Apply Changes" only saves the profile to disk, it does not apply it (the "apply changes" refers to applying the changes to the profile, it doesn't mean "apply the profile") - if you do not believe me on this, check the nvidia profile inspector's source code.

 

As a sidenote, considering that you are using a Varjo Aero which is currently at the early stages of its life as a product and is still being actively updated by its creators: would it not be a good idea to tell them about these settings and have them include whatever changes they make, or an option to activate them, since they enhance the experience for you?

 

Please forgive the dumb question, but how do you assign the new profile to the iL-2 exe?

[firdimigdi]

1 hour ago, MStewart40 said:

Please forgive the dumb question, but how do you assign the new profile to the iL-2 exe?

 

 

Keep in mind though that to do this you will have to remove it from the IL2 Great Battles profile, so best go to that one and add another .exe (like the launcher.exe) before removing il-2.exe from it or it will be deleted. Then when you want to return to it remove it from the new profile and re-assign it back to the original one.

[SCG_Redcloud111]

@dburne Hey, I have gone through the settings, but I seem to be missing RHWLessAtScreen (see screenhost). 

 

 

I am using Nvidia Inspector. I have also created the new profile and assigned it to IL2.  And I selected Show unknown settings.

 

I recently did a clean uninstall and install of Nvidia display driver. I wonder if deselecting all the telemetry data might have removed some options in Inspector.

 

Any ideas?

 

SOLVED: I deleted the xml file in AppData\Local\NVIDIA Profile Inspector and then it worked. 

Edited May 9, 2022 by SCG_Redcloud111

[dburne]

4 hours ago, SCG_Redcloud111 said:

@dburne Hey, I have gone through the settings, but I seem to be missing RHWLessAtScreen (see screenhost). 

 

 

I am using Nvidia Inspector. I have also created the new profile and assigned it to IL2.  And I selected Show unknown settings.

 

I recently did a clean uninstall and install of Nvidia display driver. I wonder if deselecting all the telemetry data might have removed some options in Inspector.

 

Any ideas?

 

SOLVED: I deleted the xml file in AppData\Local\NVIDIA Profile Inspector and then it worked. 

 

[dgiatr]

Hello to all

link in reddit about what we are talking in here....

 

 

 

[Airborne-1980]

Hello all,

 

I did try the tweak and I must say it's an improvement for me. While flying formation, I always felt a bit crossed eye while bracketing my wingman in the window. It feels a whole lot better now. I think it does a very slight adjustemt to the stereo that makes a rather big difference to me, that might be why everything looks sharper and clearer. I'm on the 8kx. That was just my 2 cents. 

[dburne]

22 hours ago, Airborne-1980 said:

Hello all,

 

I did try the tweak and I must say it's an improvement for me. While flying formation, I always felt a bit crossed eye while bracketing my wingman in the window. It feels a whole lot better now. I think it does a very slight adjustemt to the stereo that makes a rather big difference to me, that might be why everything looks sharper and clearer. I'm on the 8kx. That was just my 2 cents. 

 

Just keep in mind with each Nvidia driver update this needs to be reset. 

[TheWarsimmer]

I seem to be missing RHWLessatScreen as well. Any way to remedy this? Or why it may not be there?

[dburne]

35 minutes ago, TheWarsimmer said:

I seem to be missing RHWLessatScreen as well. Any way to remedy this? Or why it may not be there?

 

Make sure you have " show unknown settings from Nvidia predefined profiles" selected on the top menu bar.

Edited October 20, 2022 by dburne