Will we see a BF-109 G-10 or a G-14/AS in the future?

[Gambit21]

1 hour ago, Rjel said:

With the recent announcement of a new sky dome coming soon, cloud tech, longer distance view, all the flight model improvements, and on and on, leads me to believe it won't be WWII at all. As others have suggested, I would not bet against Korea. Without 109s....

 

None of that is indicative of anything other than improving the environment/immersion for all aircraft, WW1 included, jets are neither here nor there where any if these improvements are concerned. WWI and WWII benefit just as much from longer view distance as a jet does.

[Rjel]

3 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

 

None of that is indicative of anything other than improving the environment/immersion for all aircraft, WW1 included, jets are neither here nor there where any if these improvements are concerned. WWI and WWII benefit just as much from longer view distance as a jet does.

Okay.

[CountZero]

1 hour ago, Rjel said:

With the recent announcement of a new sky dome coming soon, cloud tech, longer distance view, all the flight model improvements, and on and on, leads me to believe it won't be WWII at all. As others have suggested, I would not bet against Korea. Without 109s....

The visal updates are just simply to make game look better in todays sim world of ms2020, i doubt they are realated to need for next dlc.

[Rjel]

9 minutes ago, CountZero said:

The visal updates are just simply to make game look better in todays sim world of ms2020, i doubt they are realated to need for next dlc.

Honest to God, no s***? I mean, really? Is this entire thread nothing but a guessing game, or what? I put out a couple of thoughts on what I think the future holds like every other dumb ass to get lectured? Okay, I'll play along. In your omnipotent viewpoint, please do tell. What does the future hold in your vision of the sim? Gambit can play a long too....

[oc2209]

2 hours ago, Rjel said:

 Okay, I'll play along. In your omnipotent viewpoint, please do tell. What does the future hold in your vision of the sim?

 

As an aspiring Nostradumbass, I'll tell you.

 

Eastern Front is next module. It'll be finished relatively quickly because there's so much familiar territory to cover, literally and figuratively. Relatively low production costs (in terms of extra research and modelling of new planes) with probably modest overall sales.

 

After that, Mediterranean. Higher risk, higher potential rewards (maybe).

 

After that's played out, the options get dicey real quick.

 

Assume the Pacific is still a no-go. That only leaves going back in time in Western Europe. Even then, the options are limited. Realistically there's the Battle of Britain and the Battle of France. Anything else is getting more and more niche, with exceedingly tenuous sales potential.

 

3 hours ago, Rjel said:

With the recent announcement of a new sky dome coming soon, cloud tech, longer distance view, all the flight model improvements, and on and on, leads me to believe it won't be WWII at all. As others have suggested, I would not bet against Korea. Without 109s....

 

I think all of this would matter much more for a Pacific module than for a Korean one.

 

Korea is still mostly land-based. The jet speeds there aren't so great that we cover a dramatically larger area in a short amount of time, compared to WWII.

 

Whereas nice clouds, sky depth, lighting, etc--all of that would matter much more in maps that are largely water. In other words, if looking down is really boring, at least looking at the horizon on up, shouldn't be.

 

I'm not saying it's a 100% smoking gun that the Pacific is happening. I'm just saying that the visual improvements are a requisite if it were to happen.

 

As a personal aside, I've got zero interest in Korean War jet combat. I barely touch the 262, and I'll use the Arado even less. The real reason I want the Me-163 is that it was an excellent glider, and I like gliding.

 

My point is that just because people love WWII-era aviation, doesn't necessarily mean they'll be as interested in WWI or Korea. Korea is like a sub-genre of a niche (historical combat flight sims) of a smallish market (modern flight sims in general). As far as sub-genres go, I wager WWII is the largest of them.

Edited February 22, 2022 by oc2209

[AJSNIPES]

I love flying for the Allies and the Germans but the problem is that the Ussr doesn't have any of there late war aircraft such as the La-7, Yak-9's, Yak-3's. I would love to see more variants of these planes. When it comes to the Germans it would be cool to see the G-10, G14/AS, FW190-A9/F9, TA152 maybe the HE-117. And maybe if they do a late Soviet VS German campaign it would be a nice add. After that i would love to see the pacific added maybe with carrier operation's. 

[oc2209]

3 minutes ago, AJSNIPES said:

 When it comes to the Germans it would be cool to see the G-10, G14/AS, FW190-A9/F9

 

I'm 100% sure that the only reason these aren't yet in the sim is that they've been reserved for the final Eastern Front package.

 

There's no other unused time period that would require them. If/when we get a Mediterranean DLC, Italian planes will fill out the Axis side.

 

It's not a matter of if the final 109/190s make it into the sim, it's a matter of when.

[Gambit21]

3 hours ago, Rjel said:

Okay.

 

Hey anything is possible.

I'm just saying that even WWI (and arguable especially WWI) benefits greatly from recent changes.

 

That said I think it's too soon for jets...for a few reasons.

Just IMHO of course.

[BlitzPig_EL]

Even if we did go to Korea, you will still find me behind a prop, or two.

 

Corsair, Sea Fury, F 51, F 82, Skyraider, Firefly, A26.  Lots of mud to move.

[Avimimus]

18 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

Even if we did go to Korea, you will still find me behind a prop, or two.

 

Corsair, Sea Fury, F 51, F 82, Skyraider, Firefly, A26.  Lots of mud to move.

 

Without carriers we wouldn't see several of those - would we? Korea also requires a lot of new assets so I have doubts they'd invest in carrier ops for it. I think the best case scenario is that they'd pair it was a second module set somewhere between 1948 and 1955 in West Germany... that would at least be a more balanced scenario with more British and Soviet aircraft types.

 

Don't get me wrong though... I'd love ground attack in a Firefly... and it could pave the way for Suez as a third scenario (which I think is the last scenario that one could get by with without requiring radar and complex avionics)?

[BlitzPig_EL]

I hope we don't go to anything beyond WW2.  There is so much left to cover in the '39 to '45 timeframe that deserves to be done.

[I./JG52_Woutwocampe]

40 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

I hope we don't go to anything beyond WW2.  There is so much left to cover in the '39 to '45 timeframe that deserves to be done.

 

I agree with this. Pacific, mediterranean campaign, late eastern front, etc etc. So much possibilities yet.

 

At this point, the devs must know whats next after Normandy right. Do they? 

 

 

[Asgar]

3 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

I hope we don't go to anything beyond WW2.  There is so much left to cover in the '39 to '45 timeframe that deserves to be done.

* '39 to '46  

[BlitzPig_EL]

What?  You want to cover the scrapping of the Luftwaffe and Japanese air forces, and of all the now redundant US and British aircraft?

[Bremspropeller]

The Pacific is far enough to the east for me.

[Cybermat47]

2 minutes ago, Bremspropeller said:

The Pacific is far enough to the east for me.

 

Well played 

[Beebop]

Well since we are speculating off the charts, I'd like to see a small DLC that featured Ken Arnold, the Cascade mountain range map and UFO's.

Of course we would need his CallAir A2 as a flyable.  (and maybe some 'shrooms).

 

[Gedm]

I'm happy with whatever the team produces but would love to chase Ki43's and 61

's over the green hell of New Guinea.

[percydanvers]

On 2/20/2022 at 10:09 PM, DBFlyguy said:

...more eastern front....

 

 

And end-stage eastern front campaign would be more cool than we tend to think. The Luftwaffe was still very active over the eastern front right up until the last day of the war, so there'd still be stuff for Russians to shoot at, and it would let us finally round out things like the Yak-3 and La-7. 

 

I mean it's not my first choice, but I wouldn't be disappointed with it.

 

[JG7_X-Man]

All very good points but I think one of you (can't remember who) had the best suggestion: It about the ability to generate revenue -

1. The Med/North Africa is too big a map and a few more aircraft that wouldn't pull enough revenue to justify the work load. 
2. Pacific would need several more plane not to mention much bigger map this might bring more people so the revenue maybe there but workload will be huge.
3. Berlin 45 obviously my fav - but a few more planes and map will be required but the topography is already done so less workload
4. Battle of Britain - cheapest, and biggest bang for the buck. Add Spit Ia/b, Spit IIa/b, Bf 109E-1,E-3 & E-4 and slight modifications to the BoN map and we are in business.

If I were calling the shots, I'd say #4 1st, #3 and #2.

 

I am not sure the FM is really suitable for jets, but if it were I'd do Korea - but as the engine cannot support 4-engine bombers...Umm maybe not.

[kendo]

52 minutes ago, Beebop said:

Well since we are speculating off the charts, I'd like to see a small DLC that featured Ken Arnold, the Cascade mountain range map and UFO's.

Of course we would need his CallAir A2 as a flyable.  (and maybe some 'shrooms).

 

 

Nice idea!

 

But if they can't get enough data to model Japanese aircraft convincingly, I'm not going to be too confident for their UFO FM.......

 

Nice map though...! 

 

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edit: unless all those stories of crashed UFOs and the U.S. back-engineering the technology are true...and Janson has some high up connections.

 

But expect the UFO would likely be AI only...probably.  ?

 

Sorry for thread derail 

 

 

 

Edited February 22, 2022 by kendo

[percydanvers]

1 minute ago, JG7_X-Man said:

All very good points but I think one of you (can't remember who) had the best suggestion: It about the ability to generate revenue -

1. The Med/North Africa is too big a map and a few more aircraft that wouldn't pull enough revenue to justify the work load. 
2. Pacific would need several more plane not to mention much bigger map this might bring more people so the revenue maybe there but workload will be huge.
3. Berlin 45 obviously my fav - but a few more planes and map will be required but the topography is already done so less workload
4. Battle of Britain - cheapest, and biggest bang for the buck. Add Spit Ia/b, Spit IIa/b, Bf 109E-1,E-3 & E-4 and slight modifications to the BoN map and we are in business.

If I were calling the shots, I'd say #4 1st, #3 and #2.

 

I am not sure the FM is really suitable for jets, but if it were I'd do Korea - but as the engine cannot support 4-engine bombers...Umm maybe not.

 

I'm pretty sure they wouldn't want to cannibalize the market of Cliffs of Dover. Somehow I feel more sick of the Battle of Britain than even the eastern front. 

 

My own pick would be Tunisia-Sicily-Malta. This map would be only slightly larger than Bodenplatte's (most of the increased size being water).  You could have a timeframe starting with the failed evacuation of Panzerarmee Afrika and ending with the evacuation of the Wehrmacht across the straights of Messina. That would give you occasion for memorable events like the Palm Sunday Massacre (the mass intercept and destruction of the German airlift), the bombing of Pantelleria, and Operation Husky. Mission makers could also easily use this map to recreate memorable events from outside the ostensible timeline, like the Siege of Malta.

 

 

The aircraft involved could be very interesting on both sides, with things like the A-36 Apache, a sort of proto-mustang for the allies, the Me-210 for the germans, and some of the really interesting Italian aircraft like the Mc. 205 we'd have no chance of seeing otherwise. 

[AEthelraedUnraed]

14 minutes ago, JG7_X-Man said:

All very good points but I think one of you (can't remember who) had the best suggestion: It about the ability to generate revenue -

1. The Med/North Africa is too big a map and a few more aircraft that wouldn't pull enough revenue to justify the work load. 
2. Pacific would need several more plane not to mention much bigger map this might bring more people so the revenue maybe there but workload will be huge.
3. Berlin 45 obviously my fav - but a few more planes and map will be required but the topography is already done so less workload
4. Battle of Britain - cheapest, and biggest bang for the buck. Add Spit Ia/b, Spit IIa/b, Bf 109E-1,E-3 & E-4 and slight modifications to the BoN map and we are in business.

If I were calling the shots, I'd say #4 1st, #3 and #2.

 

I am not sure the FM is really suitable for jets, but if it were I'd do Korea - but as the engine cannot support 4-engine bombers...Umm maybe not.

I don't agree with your assessment that the Berlin map would be easy and a Pacific map hard. A Berlin map would have many towns, which require work (placing objects and textures) while a Pacific map is lots of ocean (basically free), lots of jungle (can be imported from maps) and relatively little towns. The reason a Pacific installment wouldn't be chosen has to be the aircraft and other objects (carriers and such), not the map.

 

Also, regarding 4-engine bombers, I know there's a very persistent rumour that the game engine cannot deal with those, but Jason has said that's bollocks many times already.

 

 

Edited February 22, 2022 by AEthelraedUnraed

[BlitzPig_EL]

I know the boss won't be happy with this, but if we can't go to the Pacific, we should go North Africa/Med, and stop worrying about Cliffs/Tobruk.  The majority of players of this title are not invested in Cliffs, just as the majority don't post here on the forum.  Go to North Africa and let the best sim win.

[CAFulcrum]

18 hours ago, Drum said:

Imagine, for a second, what Carrier Battles will (really) be like for the attacking planes as they start their runs against those enemy fleets brimming & bristling with hundreds of AAA & Flak; then imagine all the complaining that'll follow it in the forms...

 

I agree to buying and playing future CV battles only if all of you guys first agree to be the dumb arses lucky ones who actual get stredded do the bombing & torpedoing part.  I'll fly escort and do the fun stuff like, uh, returning to base to tell your harrowing story...   <G>

 

You don't really have to imagine as it's been done in other sims before, and it is actually very exciting and fun if you attack in force (not alone).  Both attacks on carrier groups and harbors.  Big clouds of flak come up at you, there are fighters zooming around, and the targets are big.  The real question is whether the game could handle the amount of ai gunners, ships and aircraft in that situation.

[BlitzPig_EL]

EL San is ready to fly his Val or Kate

to further the great East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere.

?

 

 

[JG7_X-Man]

@percydanvers I hear you on the Cliffs of Dover competition - but no one is buying that without regret from what I have heard. Can't use it on this online platform correct?

@AEthelraedUnraed I was think you didn't have to make new objects and the texture, terrain and mesh is already made and can be cannibalized from the Rhineland/Kuban maps. How long would it take the develop all the different ships classes and pother tropical specific objects needed though - I am think 2 - 3 yrs.

 

To be honest I wouldn't mid the Pacific '44-45 (love the US Navy and US Marine F-4U Corsairs) but without B-29s, just won't feel complete - like the Rhineland we have now without B-17s and B-24s.

 

Well I am just a consumer and I can only control what I choose to spend my money on.

[DBFlyguy]

1 hour ago, percydanvers said:

 

And end-stage eastern front campaign would be more cool than we tend to think. The Luftwaffe was still very active over the eastern front right up until the last day of the war, so there'd still be stuff for Russians to shoot at, and it would let us finally round out things like the Yak-3 and La-7. 

 

I mean it's not my first choice, but I wouldn't be disappointed with it.

 

Meh, Just not interested in any more eastern front stuff.  Just doesn't do it for me and I won't be buying it if they go that route. To each their own.

[BMA_FlyingShark]

1 hour ago, percydanvers said:

The aircraft involved could be very interesting on both sides, with things like the A-36 Apache, a sort of proto-mustang for the allies, the Me-210 for the germans, and some of the really interesting Italian aircraft like the Mc. 205 we'd have no chance of seeing otherwise. 

Maybe also some early version of the P40?

 

Have a nice day.

 

[Bremspropeller]

1 hour ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

EL San is ready to fly his Val or Kate

to further the great East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere.

?

 

 

 

 

+

 

=

 

Spoiler

 

[Alexmarine]

1 hour ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

EL San is ready to fly his Val or Kate

to further the great East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere.

?

 

 

 

 

 

This could be us, but people prefer yet another late-war-turbo-deluxe-fully-automated-hot-rod-single-seat fighter 

[FliegerAD]

The G14/AS could also be used for a Norway scenario and that in turn could bring Hellcats and Corsairs. US naval fighters vs Luftwaffe is something quite interesting.

[CUJO_1970]

10 minutes ago, FliegerAD said:

The G14/AS could also be used for a Norway scenario

 

Here's one from Norway with C3 fuel and with the larger fluid-coupled supercharger:

 

 

[Algy-Lacey]

2 hours ago, Alexmarine said:

but people prefer yet another late-war-turbo-deluxe-fully-automated-hot-rod-single-seat fighter

 

I prefer...

 

Yeah she does look like a bit of a hotrod... what with that DB605, long nose and cockpit way back towards the tail... kind of like a 30's racer. But it's mid-war technology and nicely matched by the equivalent Spitfire, P-40 and P-38 variants.

 

 

 

[Asgar]

2 hours ago, CUJO_1970 said:

 

Here's one from Norway with C3 fuel and with the larger fluid-coupled supercharger:

 

 

 

all 109s have fluid-coupled chargers... just saying

[CUJO_1970]

43 minutes ago, Asgar said:

all 109s have fluid-coupled chargers... just saying

 

Yes they do but it sounds so damn cool I thought I'd reiterate it. 

[Ram399]

Since we all just seem to be rehashing the West vs East module debate I feel compelled to suggest a why not both scenario again in the form of a Battle of Ploesti / Battle of Bucharest set in Romania during 1944.

The primary focus for the ground and CAS war would be the Soviet Jassy-Kishinev Offensives in the northeast, while the USAAF would also be present launching raids on the oil fields from the southwest using aircraft such as the P-38 and B-25 or, if possible one day, the four-motor-elephants-in-the-room which are not be named.

The potential for additional Romanian (as we already have the IAR 80 coming) aircraft is there for the Axis who would naturally also get the Bf-109 G10 as the missing link in the 109 lineage, and while it would be a bit too early for the La-7 to make an appearance (cough premium like every other La-X model cough) it would be good for the Yak-3 and the arrow wing IL-2s.

Plus, while I'm not sure how this would be accomplished in the campaign exactly, Romania switching sides after the coup would present an interesting scenario for Luftwaffe/Romanian Careers with the potential for Axis vs Axis aircraft.

Also, while this isn't really that important, this module would pretty seamlessly continue the direct lineage of the Eastern Front Careers from Moscow through Kuban without a major time skip.  It would also leave room open for another late-late war Eastern front module such as Berlin/Austria/Courland 1945 should such a thing be desired (which it is).

Finally, though I am in fact American, I would greatly prefer a late war East module over another Western one post-Normandy, but that's just me.

[Gambit21]

6 hours ago, JG7_X-Man said:

 

To be honest I wouldn't mid the Pacific '44-45

 

 44-45 is late Pacific, not mid and by then Japan was spent. 42-43 is mid PTO -  when both sides were slugging it out on equal terms.

 

6 hours ago, JG7_X-Man said:

(love the US Navy and US Marine F-4U Corsairs) but without B-29s, just won't feel complete - like the Rhineland we have now without B-17s and B-24s.

 

 

Horses for courses, but B-29's and 44-45 is when Japan was militarily spent and the U.S. was basically clubbing baby seals...that is when they managed to find a Japanese fighter in the air which was an increasingly, exceedingly rare event. My wife's grandfather who flew Hellcats over the home islands never even saw a Japanese fighter.

That's hardly the makings of a compelling sim and as a content creator I can think of better ways to go. 

 

 

[CountZero]

13 hours ago, Ram399 said:

Since we all just seem to be rehashing the West vs East module debate I feel compelled to suggest a why not both scenario again in the form of a Battle of Ploesti / Battle of Bucharest set in Romania during 1944.

The primary focus for the ground and CAS war would be the Soviet Jassy-Kishinev Offensives in the northeast, while the USAAF would also be present launching raids on the oil fields from the southwest using aircraft such as the P-38 and B-25 or, if possible one day, the four-motor-elephants-in-the-room which are not be named.

The potential for additional Romanian (as we already have the IAR 80 coming) aircraft is there for the Axis who would naturally also get the Bf-109 G10 as the missing link in the 109 lineage, and while it would be a bit too early for the La-7 to make an appearance (cough premium like every other La-X model cough) it would be good for the Yak-3 and the arrow wing IL-2s.

Plus, while I'm not sure how this would be accomplished in the campaign exactly, Romania switching sides after the coup would present an interesting scenario for Luftwaffe/Romanian Careers with the potential for Axis vs Axis aircraft.

Also, while this isn't really that important, this module would pretty seamlessly continue the direct lineage of the Eastern Front Careers from Moscow through Kuban without a major time skip.  It would also leave room open for another late-late war Eastern front module such as Berlin/Austria/Courland 1945 should such a thing be desired (which it is).

Finally, though I am in fact American, I would greatly prefer a late war East module over another Western one post-Normandy, but that's just me.

Map would be to big, you would have to have italy if you plan to include thouse american forces, and if you just stick to german v soviet your better of with just doing 45 scenario, and have all yak-3 la-7 109g10 190a9 and so on in one last east front dlc, dont know if you could get 5v5 airplanes that stick to 44 and were not used already, even iar 80 will be in game sone, and what better time to show of how soviets help win ww2, Poland 45 dlc is no brainer if you have to go for east front.

[Avimimus]

3 hours ago, CountZero said:

Map would be to big, you would have to have italy if you plan to include thouse american forces, and if you just stick to german v soviet your better of with just doing 45 scenario, and have all yak-3 la-7 109g10 190a9 and so on in one last east front dlc, dont know if you could get 5v5 airplanes that stick to 44 and were not used already, even iar 80 will be in game sone, and what better time to show of how soviets help win ww2, Poland 45 dlc is no brainer if you have to go for east front.

 

There are enough aircraft for 5v5 1945 East, 1941-1944 Leningrad, and 1944 Italy...

 

The biggest limit being Axis fighters, but there are options:

 

Bf-109G10/AS and Fw-190A9 for 1945 East (and possibly He-162 or Ta-152H)

 

Fw-190A4 and Bf-109G1 (or Bf-109E3?) for Leningrad (and possibly other aircraft such as the Ju-87B or Ju-87D-5).

Plus a mixture of Finnish types for the Axis (M.S.406, F2A Brewster Buffaloes, Hawk 75, Fokker D.XXI, G.50, Gloster Gladiator).

 

Re 2005 or G.55 (and various earlier types e.g. MC.200, Re 2001) for Italy 1944