Youtch Posted January 10, 2022 Posted January 10, 2022 Watching the video it seems to say that both sliders (the general one and the application specific one) are multiplied to determine your final Supersampling value, so i understand that 50%×100% = 100% x 50%, it shall not make really any difference where you modify it from a image processing perspective
shirazjohn Posted January 10, 2022 Posted January 10, 2022 I think if you only play one game it doesn't make any difference which way around you do it but if you have multiple games each having different values in the per-application settings if you then changed the global setting it would change the settings for all of the games. This is why its preferable to leave the global setting at 100% and set the games individually in the per-application settings. If that makes sense.
Youtch Posted January 10, 2022 Posted January 10, 2022 1 minute ago, shirazjohn said: I think if you only play one game it doesn't make any difference which way around you do it but if you have multiple games each having different values in the per-application settings if you then changed the global setting it would change the settings for all of the games. This is why its preferable to leave the global setting at 100% and set the games individually in the per-application settings. If that makes sense. This is what I was assuming, but I wanted to confirm.
shirazjohn Posted January 10, 2022 Posted January 10, 2022 9 hours ago, Youtch said: As you said, I have spent holidays break doing more tuning than flying, to the point of almost willing to go back to the simplicity of 2D, which is a real shame. I know for fact that some people just lost their patience with this lengthy finetuning process. I've been flying in vr for about 2 years now first with reverb g1 then the g2 and i have spent hours fiddling with settings, with the recent addition of fsr and nis this has just added another combination of settings to content with. It does take time to acheive a good result depending on your hardware setup but for me its worth it , there's no way i can go back to the flat sceen again.
dburne Posted January 10, 2022 Posted January 10, 2022 I like the KISS principle. No mods at all, adjust for best image and performance I can get, then fly and just have fun. I put in several hours a day for just gaming. 1
shirazjohn Posted January 10, 2022 Posted January 10, 2022 2 minutes ago, dburne said: I like the KISS principle. No mods at all, adjust for best image and performance I can get, then fly and just have fun. I put in several hours a day for just gaming. I can't help it i do love a good tweak.? 1
Youtch Posted January 10, 2022 Posted January 10, 2022 I have reached a point where I enjoy flying in VR with the G2, thanks to TheSNAFU! I am still wandering though how [CPT]Crunch can spot a column of vehicles 4km away! I can now start spotting thing a little bit under 2km away. I hope he will share his findings and settings.
[CPT]Crunch Posted January 12, 2022 Posted January 12, 2022 (edited) Did post them, but than noticed a new patch, so deleted cause the patch is a shimmering mess of crap on my set. Going to take some time to find a new balance if this round its even possible, the forests and trees have become a horror show, worse than the major cities. My eyes have had all they can stand for one night. Edited January 12, 2022 by [CPT]Crunch
Youtch Posted January 12, 2022 Posted January 12, 2022 I haven t tried yet the new versiom, but what you are saying does not sound good. Is the new patch affecting startup config? Is there any possibility to roll back patches? Anyone else had issues with shimmering feast after patching?
Youtch Posted January 13, 2022 Posted January 13, 2022 [CPT]Crunch. I hope you managed to recover proper settings after last hotfix and are happy again, and got rid of shimmering feast.
[CPT]Crunch Posted January 14, 2022 Posted January 14, 2022 Seeing a bunch of us with 3080 cards for some reason are having difficulties, on the bright side I'm learning quite a bit about settings and how all of them tie in with each other. It'll get fixed eventually.
dgiatr Posted March 1, 2022 Posted March 1, 2022 Hello that's another happy hp G2 v2 owner! i just want to share my experience from QUEST Q2 to HP REVERB G2 V2. As a start i would like to say many thanks to all of you for helping me making lots of effective settings to Q2 and G2 , but i want to say specially thanks to Firdimigdi who helped me the most!!! As a general conclusion about going from Q2 to G2 is that G2 works better with my rig than Q2 does. Keeping almost the same resolution (about 2800x2800) and all the other ingame settings the same ( except msaa from 4x to 2x , i have the same image quality between Q2 msaa 4x and G2 msaa 2x ) i get higher and more steady fps and game is more fluid with G2 with almost no stuttering. Indeed as others said, image quality is a little ( not far though ) better from Q2 to G2 especially about near objects, but as far as farther objects is concerned i think that i can see and id better with G2 than Q2. Distant planes image in Q2 is quite distorted so you have to come closer in order to id ( i guess that video image compression in Q2 is responsible for that and for the lower performance too ). I also use fsr with Q2 and G2. While using Q2 sharpness was set to 0.74 , and to 1.00 in G2. Renderscale and radius kept at the same values of 0.80 and 0.4 in both occasions respectively.
BH_Adabadoo_VR Posted March 12, 2022 Posted March 12, 2022 Yeah I feel like the quest has at least 10% overhead slowing it down to approach the quality of the G2. It is always behind in FPS a bit. But it is so versatile that I like to use it for so many other things. It's amazing for fitness or reading or watching movies in bed. The G2 is better for simulation for sure but I wouldn't use it for room space gaming. Nice to have both...
=420=Syphen Posted March 19, 2022 Posted March 19, 2022 On 3/12/2022 at 2:55 AM, BH_Adabadoo_VR said: Yeah I feel like the quest has at least 10% overhead slowing it down to approach the quality of the G2. It is always behind in FPS a bit. But it is so versatile that I like to use it for so many other things. It's amazing for fitness or reading or watching movies in bed. The G2 is better for simulation for sure but I wouldn't use it for room space gaming. Nice to have both... The on-the-fly video compression over USB causes the extra overhead issues for the Q2. I agree with you 100%. I have both and use the G2 for all simming, and the Q2 for any roomscale stuff. It's a nice pairing to have if you can afford it.
dgiatr Posted March 20, 2022 Posted March 20, 2022 17 hours ago, =420=Syphen said: The on-the-fly video compression over USB causes the extra overhead issues for the Q2. I agree with you 100%. I have both and use the G2 for all simming, and the Q2 for any roomscale stuff. It's a nice pairing to have if you can afford it. Hello Syphen, what about the quality of the image of IL2 (not intrested for others sims) through G2 compairing to Q2? ...for me G2 is more blurry than Q2....although image in WMR CLIFF is ok!! I checked also in DCS with the same results. I agree that Q2 "eats" more fps than G2 , i checked that by myself, probably due to video compression, i also think that G2 needs less MSAA AA than Q2 for the same image quality ( except of course the more blurry image that i have in G2, which can not be fixed with more AA)
=420=Syphen Posted March 20, 2022 Posted March 20, 2022 11 hours ago, dgiatr said: Hello Syphen, what about the quality of the image of IL2 (not intrested for others sims) through G2 compairing to Q2? ...for me G2 is more blurry than Q2....although image in WMR CLIFF is ok!! I checked also in DCS with the same results. I agree that Q2 "eats" more fps than G2 , i checked that by myself, probably due to video compression, i also think that G2 needs less MSAA AA than Q2 for the same image quality ( except of course the more blurry image that i have in G2, which can not be fixed with more AA) Something is going strange for you - My G2 blows the Q2 out of the water in terms of visual clarity. Hands down. Not sure why your G2 would look worse.
TheSNAFU Posted March 20, 2022 Author Posted March 20, 2022 It has to be the game graphic, WMR, Steam Vr and/or video card settings. I came from the Q2 to the G2 and at first had the same opinion. The G2 was actually only slightly better than my Q2. But after reading, research and testing I found the settings and head position that work best for the G2 and from then on there is no comparison. The G2 is far better clarity. It also runs smoother and has better color. My only complaint is the sweet spot is smaller than I’d like.
BH_Adabadoo_VR Posted March 20, 2022 Posted March 20, 2022 18 hours ago, dgiatr said: Hello Syphen, what about the quality of the image of IL2 (not intrested for others sims) through G2 compairing to Q2? ...for me G2 is more blurry than Q2....although image in WMR CLIFF is ok!! I checked also in DCS with the same results. I agree that Q2 "eats" more fps than G2 , i checked that by myself, probably due to video compression, i also think that G2 needs less MSAA AA than Q2 for the same image quality ( except of course the more blurry image that i have in G2, which can not be fixed with more AA) So my experience and I think most agree is that there isn't much of a comparison for sharpness and quality of lenses and image for quest2 compared to Reverb G2 I suspect maybe for your headshape eye position... that the quest 2 is nicely setup right now. Please try to undo all straps for Reverb G2 and try to adjust every which way to get your eyes in the perfect sweet spot. The only thing that makes me think it is a rendering issue is that you say cliff home looks great. If that is so and it's not an adjustment then I'd say you have steamVR settings missadjusted somewhere and you're rendering below the resolution needed to show off the quality of the G2. This wouldn't address the color brightness issues though. The Reverb G2 is significantly brighter than the Q2 and also has better colors on all of them I've used. I have (2) Quest2's and (8) Reverb G2's that I switch around in at work for Covid plus mine at home. So I've got plenty of each and have helped many family setup there Q2's so I've seen lots of samples of those too. If you're seeing color issues and still having blur I think it's render resolution and color could be setting somewhere... If all things are set correctly could be a bad HMD?? Anyone nearby you can test with that has one?? I suspect settings. Are you using FSR scaling. You can't leave those settings the same between headset changes. Each headset would require it's own settings. If FSR was set for Q2 your way below what you need for the G2. Please tell me your CPU Graphics Card and settings cpu gpu SteamVR % and both res numbers Settings for FSR if you are using it Check the FSR log to make sure it is scaling from your render to target res correctly. Make sure you don't have any color settings going on in graphics card. default your IL2 graphics settings maybe after righting them down? That's all I can think of but the G2 should be a pretty big jump for Sims from Q2 both in performance look brightness and color and sharpness. Just has a pesky cord that gets in your way... I think sweet spot might be part of it. There is also more chromatic aberration on G2s than the Q2 but Q2 is not nearly as good a lens otherwise...
dgiatr Posted March 21, 2022 Posted March 21, 2022 (edited) Thank you guys for your help! So 1. resolution : i fly with final resolution to steamvr at about 2700x2700 ( i think that helps me the most with spotting). I also set final resolution to.. about 3300x3200 or even more but image blurriness didnt change. 2. FSR I tried to play without FSR with ingame sharpness set to on ( for lower fps just for experiment ) but nothing changed. So my final settings are : a. renderscale to 0.8 b. sharpness to 1.00 (ingame sharpness set to 0) , by the way...it seems like i have very low sharpness..i think c. radius to 0.4 d. applymbias to true or false..nothing changed e. debug to off 3. MSAA to : 2x or 4x or 8x (just to check)...gives me less shimmering but doesnt fix blurriness of washed out colors. 4. Nvidia graphic card. i downloaded latest drivers , i also made a total reset to factory settings but nothing changed. BY THE WAY...SHOULD I MAKE SOME SPECIAL NVIDIA SETTINGS FOR HP G2?WHAT ABOUT PROPER NVIDIA COLOR SETTINGS? 5. Position of my head inside headset : i tried all possible head places but nothing changed , of course i can find my best sweet-spot inside headset where image is less blurry but it is still more blurry than in Q2. 6. IL2 config file : i will try to use my initial config file in case i changed something that i shouldnt, but i remember that i have changed only sharpness to 0 , grass distance to 0, bloom enable to 0.... i will post my config file in case i did something wrong. My rig specs are : intel core i5 - 10600k 4.10 ghz gpu : nvidia geforce rtx 3060 ti RAM : 16 GB Edited March 21, 2022 by dgiatr
dgiatr Posted March 21, 2022 Posted March 21, 2022 (edited) 13 hours ago, BH_Adabadoo_VR said: So my experience and I think most agree is that there isn't much of a comparison for sharpness and quality of lenses and image for quest2 compared to Reverb G2 I suspect maybe for your headshape eye position... that the quest 2 is nicely setup right now. Please try to undo all straps for Reverb G2 and try to adjust every which way to get your eyes in the perfect sweet spot. The only thing that makes me think it is a rendering issue is that you say cliff home looks great. If that is so and it's not an adjustment then I'd say you have steamVR settings missadjusted somewhere and you're rendering below the resolution needed to show off the quality of the G2. This wouldn't address the color brightness issues though. The Reverb G2 is significantly brighter than the Q2 and also has better colors on all of them I've used. I have (2) Quest2's and (8) Reverb G2's that I switch around in at work for Covid plus mine at home. So I've got plenty of each and have helped many family setup there Q2's so I've seen lots of samples of those too. If you're seeing color issues and still having blur I think it's render resolution and color could be setting somewhere... If all things are set correctly could be a bad HMD?? Anyone nearby you can test with that has one?? I suspect settings. Are you using FSR scaling. You can't leave those settings the same between headset changes. Each headset would require it's own settings. If FSR was set for Q2 your way below what you need for the G2. Please tell me your CPU Graphics Card and settings cpu gpu SteamVR % and both res numbers Settings for FSR if you are using it Check the FSR log to make sure it is scaling from your render to target res correctly. Make sure you don't have any color settings going on in graphics card. default your IL2 graphics settings maybe after righting them down? That's all I can think of but the G2 should be a pretty big jump for Sims from Q2 both in performance look brightness and color and sharpness. Just has a pesky cord that gets in your way... I think sweet spot might be part of it. There is also more chromatic aberration on G2s than the Q2 but Q2 is not nearly as good a lens otherwise... Thank you guys for your help! So 1. resolution : i fly with final resolution to steamvr at about 2700x2700 ( i think that helps me the most with spotting). I also set final resolution to.. about 3300x3200 or even more but image blurriness didnt change. 2. FSR I tried to play without FSR with ingame sharpness set to on ( for lower fps just for experiment ) but nothing changed. So my final settings are : a. renderscale to 0.8 b. sharpness to 1.00 (ingame sharpness set to 0) , by the way...it seems like i have very low sharpness..i think c. radius to 0.4 d. applymbias to true or false..nothing changed e. debug to off 3. MSAA to : 2x or 4x or 8x (just to check)...gives me less shimmering but doesnt fix blurriness or washed out colors. 4. Nvidia graphic card. i downloaded latest drivers , i also made a total reset to factory settings but nothing changed. BY THE WAY...SHOULD I MAKE SOME SPECIAL NVIDIA SETTINGS FOR HP G2?WHAT ABOUT PROPER NVIDIA COLOR SETTINGS? 5. Position of my head inside headset : i tried all possible head places but nothing changed , of course i can find my best sweet-spot inside headset where image is less blurry but it is still more blurry than in Q2. 6. IL2 config file : i will try to use my initial config file in case i changed something that i shouldnt, but i remember that i have changed only sharpness to 0 , grass distance to 0, bloom enable to 0.... i will post my config file in case i did something wrong. 7. My rig specs are : intel core i5 - 10600k 4.10 ghz gpu : nvidia geforce rtx 3060 ti 8 GB RAM : 16 GB .....by the way... does anybody know if there is any software to download just to check for acceptable levels of colors or image clarity for HP REVERB G2? Thank you again for your help! Edited March 21, 2022 by dgiatr
BH_Adabadoo_VR Posted March 28, 2022 Posted March 28, 2022 On 3/21/2022 at 5:31 AM, dgiatr said: Thank you guys for your help! So 1. resolution : i fly with final resolution to steamvr at about 2700x2700 ( i think that helps me the most with spotting). I also set final resolution to.. about 3300x3200 or even more but image blurriness didnt change. 2. FSR I tried to play without FSR with ingame sharpness set to on ( for lower fps just for experiment ) but nothing changed. So my final settings are : a. renderscale to 0.8 b. sharpness to 1.00 (ingame sharpness set to 0) , by the way...it seems like i have very low sharpness..i think c. radius to 0.4 d. applymbias to true or false..nothing changed e. debug to off 3. MSAA to : 2x or 4x or 8x (just to check)...gives me less shimmering but doesnt fix blurriness or washed out colors. 4. Nvidia graphic card. i downloaded latest drivers , i also made a total reset to factory settings but nothing changed. BY THE WAY...SHOULD I MAKE SOME SPECIAL NVIDIA SETTINGS FOR HP G2?WHAT ABOUT PROPER NVIDIA COLOR SETTINGS? 5. Position of my head inside headset : i tried all possible head places but nothing changed , of course i can find my best sweet-spot inside headset where image is less blurry but it is still more blurry than in Q2. 6. IL2 config file : i will try to use my initial config file in case i changed something that i shouldnt, but i remember that i have changed only sharpness to 0 , grass distance to 0, bloom enable to 0.... i will post my config file in case i did something wrong. 7. My rig specs are : intel core i5 - 10600k 4.10 ghz gpu : nvidia geforce rtx 3060 ti 8 GB RAM : 16 GB .....by the way... does anybody know if there is any software to download just to check for acceptable levels of colors or image clarity for HP REVERB G2? Thank you again for your help! I tried to reply this is second attempt lost the first one I think; Sorry if two replys show up: I think your issues are related to corrective lenses that you mentioned in email to me?? Did I understand that right that you are using modified lenses? Please switch to original lenses and try with corrective glasses to determine if G2 focus issues is related to lenses. I suspect you will see a smaller image in both Q2 and G2 with glasses but that you will also see that G2 is much sharper. If so then you know it's the lenses. Also check color and brightness of G2 with orig lenses. If it is a lens issue you need to fix that first and then redo all settings including FSR. If I misunderstood about lenses I don't know what is causing your issue. If you fix the lens issue likely FSR will be a big help to you. The 3060ti is not enough to render this game at the resolution your going for with good settings and reasonable fps. There is no Nvidia setting for color that is special to any HMD that I'm aware of. I don't know of any good ways test HMD color other than eyeball and maybe very careful camera use. These devices are not color correctable, you can't make an icc profile for them. So they can't be color corrected in a known perfect way. Though windows general sucks at this too especially for games and desktop. Look this up on steam ROV Test FOV & Resolution You can use it to eyeball test your hmds Also google HMD-Tester It's another snellin-type test not as fancy as the one on steam.
dgiatr Posted April 14, 2022 Posted April 14, 2022 (edited) So after two months of intense testing i think that i came to a conclusion about quest 2 and hp g2. First of all i think that the choice of the right headset for anybody is a very personal case. During the last two months i had the opportunity to test two different hp reverb G2 headsets , one version 1 headset and one version 2 headset. So : 1. Quest 2 has narrower filed of view compared to both of hp reverb G2 headsets i tested, especially the version 2 headset with the newly designed face-mask has the best field of view form all three. 2. My rig "eats" more fps when i fly with quest 2 than using any of the hp reverb G2 headset for the same settings. 3. I think that i see a little more shimmering when i use Q2 compared to G2 headsets for the same settings. 4. Indeed i can verify what all the others said about better resolution of G2 in comparison to Q2 but you have to set G2 to high resolution levels in order to achieve that. I started hp G2 from about 2700x2700 ( where its my final setting in Q2 ) and finally i had to set resolution about 3200x3200 or higher (i dont remember exactly ) in order to see some better quality in image sharpness (not that much to be honest) and only inside the small sweet spot of the G2 headset. Going from 2700 to 3200 resolution with same settings in G2 didnt have a huge fps drop in G2 and that tells me that my rig feels better with G2 than with Q2 ( i have to admit that). But especially with il2 ( i dont think that any other sim has that issue but i fly exclusively only il2 and not any other sim ) i get a better spotting with lower resolutions ( say about 2700x2700) than with higher resolutions with no so much impact in image quality, so finally you can not take benefit of higher resolution advantage that G2 can offer if you want to be competitive in il2 multiplayer servers. Of course if you want an eye candy image quality in il2 or playing in other sims like MSFS i think that G2 in absolutely better. 5. In G2 probably due the design of the lenses, you get a nice image inside the narrow sweet spot but outside that area you get an image which suffers quite a bit giving you the impression of blurry surroundings. On the other hand, inside Q2 sweet spot area image is not as sharp as inside G2s sweet spot area but setting headset in relatively low resolutions due to il2 multiplayer competitiveness as stated above, doesn't make any noticeable difference as far as image quality is concerned inside the sweet spot area of the two headsets. Outside Q2s sweet spot area which is bigger than that of G2, image is less blurry compared to G2s image outside its sweet spot area, giving you the impression of more vivid environment. 6. G2 is more heavy that Q2 and every time i turn my head full up looking at the top of the sky i feel some king of restriction from G2 strap. The same goes for G2 wire which is more heavy than that of Q2. 7. I really really hate that meta made obligatory for us to own a facebook account which i rarely used before!! 8. I am really afraid that meta will not support Quest2 in the the future as they did with rift, on the other hand Hp has better support when ever i was in need of them. 9. I am really disappointing that meta isnt planning of using display ports in their future headsets. 10. You can play only two hours using Q2 for every battery recharging. 11. I recently got examined form an ophthalmologist and I use prescription lenses from vropticians inside both of them and i dont think that i should use lenses with different degrees of prescription for G2, since i believe that both headsets project image to infinity. But for now i use exclusively Q2 when i fly in il2 due to the fact that i feel more comfortable and can see better. I really wish i could use G2, i paid a lot for that, i think is a better headset generally as any other stated, but for me and especially in il2 multiplayer servers i prefer Q2 although i get lower fps with Q2 than with G2 . Edited April 14, 2022 by dgiatr
katdog5 Posted April 21, 2022 Posted April 21, 2022 On 1/10/2022 at 2:35 PM, shirazjohn said: I can't help it i do love a good tweak.? I'm with you, I tweaked for a month and the best results ended being KISS lulz
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