No speed bar and aircraft icon controls "in flight"

[KodiakJac]

Why doesn't Cliffs/Tobruk have a speed bar and the ability to turn aircraft icons on and off in flight?

 

And if they ever get around to adding those features, how about the ability to toggle through 3 or 4 settings of information on the aircraft icons while in flight.  Such as...

 

1. Off

2. Distance only

3. Distance and aircraft type

4. Distance, aircraft type, call sign

 

This would align Cliffs/Tobruk with the features in 1946 and Great Battles!  With all the programming expertise Team Fusion has demonstrated in the aircraft of Cliffs/Tobruk, they should be able to easily knock out a speed bar and the aircraft icon features of 1946 and Great Battles! ?

 

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NOTE FROM DEVELOPER:

 

Scroll down for answer how to turn on/off icons.

[OBT-Eazy]

Yeah, sure.

And the next step : align FM and DM on those of Great Battles. (sarcasm)

[Dagwoodyt]

Be prideful & clannish: the secrets to success   ?

[9./JG52_J-HAT]

2 hours ago, OBT-Eazy said:

Yeah, sure.

And the next step : align FM and DM on those of Great Battles. (sarcasm)

I honestly fail to see what these things have in common with an option that purely affects the experience of a single individual if he wishes to use it.

 

Just like one can still turn off realistic FMs, realistic gunnery etc. if one wishes.

 

To pretend CloD is some sort of ultra realistic simulator and therefore could never have a speed bar is nonsense, sorry.

 

In fact, if I am already being completely honest,  this attitude is detrimental to the game. Putting an artificial entry barrier that only those proven worthy are able to overcome (when in reality it’s more those willing to put in time and have the knowledge to sort basic stiff out that should work from the get go) just keeps new players away and doesn’t allow the game to become relevant outside its niche within the niche it’s already in. 
Not to mention the complete lack of news and hype that just leads people to move on sooner or later…

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[OBT-Eazy]

8 hours ago, 9./JG52_J-HAT said:

I honestly fail to see what these things have in common with an option that purely affects the experience of a single individual if he wishes to use it.

 

Just like one can still turn off realistic FMs, realistic gunnery etc. if one wishes.

 

To pretend CloD is some sort of ultra realistic simulator and therefore could never have a speed bar is nonsense, sorry.

 

In fact, if I am already being completely honest,  this attitude is detrimental to the game. Putting an artificial entry barrier that only those proven worthy are able to overcome (when in reality it’s more those willing to put in time and have the knowledge to sort basic stiff out that should work from the get go) just keeps new players away and doesn’t allow the game to become relevant outside its niche within the niche it’s already in. 
Not to mention the complete lack of news and hype that just leads people to move on sooner or later…

 

Ok, so now we'll ask to all developers, editors, publishers to give the same features and flavour to all flight simulators.
Personally, I've sent a letter to Ferrari asking add a cruise control on my 458, the same installed on my Volvo V40.

(sarcasm again)

 

 

 

[KodiakJac]

@OBT-Eazy  You can turn the features that I'm requesting off.

 

Why do you care how others fly?

[FurphyForum]

There's no harm in asking at all. If the Dev decide to implement it, they will, if they don't, well they won't.

 

Bear in mind it probably would be low on the wish list. Just saying. 

[KodiakJac]

51 minutes ago, FurphyForum said:

Bear in mind it probably would be low on the wish list. Just saying.

 

In the minds of MP players yes.  In the minds of single players, it would be very high on the wish list.  And the vast majority of players of combat and commercial aviation flight sims are single players.

 

I read that IL-2 1946 sold in the neighborhood of 2 million copies in its heyday.  And Hyperlobby had thousands of 1946 MP players.  But the other 95% of those 2 million 1946 customers were single players.

 

MP players are very vocal, and they dominate the forums.  It's where they recruit and organize their squads and events.  But they are in the minority of customers.

 

So hopefully Team Fusion will add a speed bar and aircraft icon functions like in 1946 and Great Battles.  It only makes good business sense.  Cliffs/Tobruk still has a bad rap for inaccessibility, and it has become a club of self proclaimed experts.  A more user friendly interface would help make it more approachable for more casual players and beginners.  I want those features because I spend about 50% of my time in external view enjoying my aircraft model and livery as it flies over the beautiful cinematic scenery.  The external view is fantastic, and every bit as immersive as the cockpit view.

 

Others may disagree with me, but they can simply turn off the features I'm asking for.  An optional speed bar and aircraft icons like in 1946 and Great Battles shouldn't affect their enjoyment of Cliffs/Tobruk at all, as they would never see them. ?

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[KodiakJac]

Yes.  The aircraft icons are either full on or off.  When they are on, they are giant billboards that you can't turn off or adjust during a flight.  In 1946 you can turn them off during a flight, or choose 1 of 3 other settings...

 

1. Off

2. Range

3. Range, Aircraft Type

4. Range, Aircraft Type, Call Sign

 

Because the functionality is already there to some extent, it hopefully wouldn't be a giant effort to align them with 1946 and Great Battles where you can at least turn them on and off in flight, and hopefully scroll through lesser settings where they aren't giant billboards.

 

And the same goes for a speed bar.  Rather than giant instruments on screen, how about 3 simple lines in one corner - speed, altitude, heading.  I'm always surprised by all the uproar whenever I've asked for them over the past 7 years.

 

Like this...

 

[OBT-Mikmak]

5 minutes ago, KodiakJac said:

... it hopefully wouldn't be a giant effort to align them with 1946 and Great Battles where you can at least turn them on and off in flight, ....

 

Since patch 5.028: Option to hide/show icons's text - if the difficulty settings allow them to be shown in the first place (Options, Control, Chat)

 

[KodiakJac]

A traditional speed bar and the ability to turn aircraft icons on and off "in flight" like in 1946 and IL-2 Great Battles are my top picks. These seem like such simple things, I've never understood why Cliffs/Tobruk doesn't have them 

 

"Added as a Feature Request in the Team Fusion Bug Tracker on your behalf..

 

ATAG_Snapper"

https://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=35107&p=377335#post377335

 

woo hoo!  Thank you, Snapper!

 

 

17 minutes ago, OBT-Mikmak said:

 

Since patch 5.028: Option to hide/show icons's text - if the difficulty settings allow them to be shown in the first place (Options, Control, Chat)

 

 

You can't do that "in flight" with a hot key like in 1946 and Great Battles.  You can only choose "on or off" from that menu before the mission begins.

Edited December 10, 2021 by KodiakJac

[OBT-Mikmak]

I can assure you that it works "in flight " if the difficulty settings allow them to be shown in the first place...

 

Edited December 10, 2021 by OBT-Mikmak

[KodiakJac]

How do you get to that second menu you just posted above "in flight?"  Is that one that I have to hit "Escape" then Options, etc, etc, etc?

 

In 1946 and Great Battles I can just tap a hot key to turn aircraft icons on and off while flying.  That is what I'm asking for in Cliffs/Tobruk.  And I can tell that Snapper understands what I'm asking for, as he quoted my initial request.  Anyone who has played 1946 or Great Battles in "Normal" mode knows what I'm talking about ?

[Josp]

KodiakJac,

 

it works exactly the same way you want it. It's surprising you still don't understand it.

Have you assigned any keyboard key or joystick button to the "Toggle Icon Labels" command in Options/Controls/Chat? If not, do it.

This is that key you can then use in flight to turn icons on/off.

 

Josef

Edited December 10, 2021 by nvptr

[Sokol1]

On 12/9/2021 at 5:47 AM, KodiakJac said:

Why doesn't Cliffs/Tobruk have a speed bar and the ability to turn aircraft icons on and off in flight?

 

Assign a key.

 

 

Customizing the file .RCU can have distance only, type only, calsign only, or combinations of the three.

[KodiakJac]

Thanks, Sokol and nvptr!

 

I'll give it a try later today ?

Edited December 10, 2021 by KodiakJac

[KodiakJac]

Hi @Sokol1

 

Thanks for the tip, but here are the contents of my .RCU file...

 

@set fast off
@set echo on
@set alias on
@set history 20

@alias a alias
@a h history
@a s show

 

Do you know the syntax I need to add to show only range (distance) on the aircraft icons?

 

[zzzxxxxzzz]

Check out this threads:

 

https://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5185

 

https://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27809

 

 

[KodiakJac]

Thanks for this information, @zzzxxxxzzz

 

I learned how to use the console to do some of this tonight on the ATAG forum, but the links you've provided look like a more permanent solution.  I'll dig in and do this, as on my first reading of the links it is well described and makes sense.

 

Your links are super helpful!

 

Cheers!   

[KodiakJac]

7 hours ago, zzzxxxxzzz said:

Check out this threads:

 

https://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5185

 

https://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27809

 

 

 

Got it!  Now range only aircraft icons automatically begin at the start of each mission without having to start them in the console.  I also see how I can create single character commands in the console to add aircraft icons with more or different information, including dots in the distance.  I'm going to play with the dots next.

 

Thank you, and thank you @Sokol1 for the instructions in the ATAG forum!    

Edited December 11, 2021 by KodiakJac

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[KodiakJac]

Will do, Varrattu!

 

Thanks! ?

[OBT-Lionel]

KodiacJac,

 

  I invite you to go fly on Bos. I think it's on this game that you will find what you are looking for.

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[56RAF_Stickz]

On 12/9/2021 at 1:51 PM, 9./JG52_J-HAT said:

In fact, if I am already being completely honest,  this attitude is detrimental to the game. Putting an artificial entry barrier that only those proven worthy are able to overcome (when in reality it’s more those willing to put in time and have the knowledge to sort basic stiff out that should work from the get go) just keeps new players away and doesn’t allow the game to become relevant outside its niche within the niche it’s already in. 

absolutely correct - add to that many of these new players have no direct link to these planes except seeing at airshows. They have no direct link to WW2 era. Parents were not born or lived through it. Hell even grandparents that didnt live through any of it. They need to be pulled in and kept in. And the answer to those wanting to try, push them to dcs and BoX. Wow some business acumen.

[OBT-Eazy]

Next must-to-have-in-clodo : mode 22 on fighter.