Pulled the trigger on the Varjo Aero ?

[Donik]

This is why my post count is low.  I simply can't stand to deal with people. Just recently I mentioned that someone's idea was very clever but impractical for me.  God forbid.  Now I'm apparently some lazy fool, blah blah blah.

Thanks for all the info you've provided so far, @dburne.  I appreciate it and you've given me lots to consider the next time I decide to try VR.

[Airborne-1980]

Thanks for sharing @dburne, I appreciate your input. 

 

[firdimigdi]

8 hours ago, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

I don't believe for a minute there'd be a performance improvement.

 

I'm willing to believe that the software implementation is better than in the WMR-sphere to smooth things out when going from a G2 to the Aero actually, sort of in the way that going to OpenComposite totally transformed the performance of the game when I was using a Rift S. But yes, I too would prefer tangible metrics - however, I won't demand that people spend their time to indulge my curiosity - for the time being I tend to factor in a percentage of justified wow-factor bias when reading/viewing early-adopter reviews and I'm quite glad people are willing to take time and recount their personal experience.

 

Edited February 1, 2022 by Firdimigdi

[Patricks]

13 hours ago, dburne said:

Just trying to share my experience from someone who is actually using the headset.

 

 

Don, you are 100% correct, all else is BS... 

[Picchio]

Guys, come on... take it easy. We can all benefit from both enthusiasm and objectivity.

[kissTheSky]

I don’t blame you Don, it got a little bit Spanish Inquisition-uesqe there for a bit.

 

Several people who got theirs before you posted in other forums, but since I don’t own it, I refrained from posting others’ experiences in iRacing reflecting your impressions. That the loss of V-FOV is the worst, and that, their impressions are it performs noticeably no different than the G2, with view distortion being most noticeable in the Cliff house.
 

 
 

 

[Pajeka]

Don Hi, hopefully you will continue to provide feedback to those mere mortals on the forum, who like you, wish to immerse themselves in the special virtual reality experience that is today's flight simulation.

I’m sure many others, like myself, have taken a genuine interest in your comments and opinions regarding the real time use of your VR headsets in IL2 Great Battles, DCS and MSFS etc and hope for more in the future…

Here’s hoping for more feedback from the current Aero authority on the forum - especially as my (statistically C**p) Aero headset arrived yesterday! ?

[WIS-Redcoat]

I don't care what people assert by using select metrics that are somewhat arbitrary to the user "experience".  I can absolutely assert that when I am flying 50 feet over a city it is "smoother" than my G2.   

 

Maybe that doesn't make sense to people building spreadsheets and looking at in-game frame rate counters...  I'm telling you it is "smoother".

 

I read an great article a few months ago that was critical on how many VR users measure performance.  Because of the myriad of effects happening in VR the notion of how it "feels" is far more complex than frame rates etc.

 

The aero is smooth, less jitters, less stutters...  This equates (to me) as "better performance"  I don't know why, I don't really care why.

 

I work with a lot of engineers at work.  I often find them to be the dumbest smartest people.

[SCG_motoadve]

16 hours ago, dburne said:

 

 

That's right guys, the experience one actually gets that is actually using the freakin headset with the sims matters not one iota. Hell no.

No one here was claiming foveated rendering or Open XR was working for IL-2. Check the reading comprehension please.

Have fun with Chili's benchmarks! How the hell he is benchmarking a headset he does not even have but putting up conjecture on is beyond my lowly comprehension.

 

Enjoy the show!! I have had enough. Have fun projecting and crunching numbers, I will be flying and having an absolute blast.

Sheese...

 

Btw I am not the first to talk about actual slight performance improvement as compared to Reverb G2 or Vive Pro 2. Check around.

Chili - have fun telling everyone how Aero actually is without even having it! 

Screw this. That is enough for me, that is what I get for trying to share information. Plenty of other forums available.

What is with annoying demands and entitlement from people who does not even have the headset? WTF?

 

Please keep your reviews coming most of us are enjoying them.

14 minutes ago, WIS-Redcoat said:

I don't care what people assert by using select metrics that are somewhat arbitrary to the user "experience".  I can absolutely assert that when I am flying 50 feet over a city it is "smoother" than my G2.   

 

Maybe that doesn't make sense to people building spreadsheets and looking at in-game frame rate counters...  I'm telling you it is "smoother".

 

I read an great article a few months ago that was critical on how many VR users measure performance.  Because of the myriad of effects happening in VR the notion of how it "feels" is far more complex than frame rates etc.

 

The aero is smooth, less jitters, less stutters...  This equates (to me) as "better performance"  I don't know why, I don't really care why.

 

I work with a lot of engineers at work.  I often find them to be the dumbest smartest people.

Well put, please keep your reviews coming.

[J2_NobiWan]

I don't get it. Who is demanding anything? Who is entiteling himself to something? All I read were some kindly phrased requests...
Why so touchy if someone is interested in technical details and how does it stop you from enjoying your new toy? Enlighten me please! And why should it stop you from reviewing if someone has a different opinion? Instead I would have thought that you would be interested to explain why you have your opinion...  too many emotions at play...

[SCG_motoadve]

7 minutes ago, J2_NobiWan said:

I don't get it. Who is demanding anything? Who is entiteling himself to something? All I read were some kindly phrased requests...
Why so touchy if someone is interested in technical details and how does it stop you from enjoying your new toy? Enlighten me please! And why should it stop you from reviewing if someone has a different opinion? Instead I would have thought that you would be interested to explain why you have your opinion...  too many emotions at play...

Dont you see by their replies that both guys reviewing the Varjo are annoyed by guys arguing with them about the performance? Guys who does not even have the headset think they know more about the Varjo performance than the ones using the headset,  I find it annoying also.

 

[J2_NobiWan]

25 minutes ago, SCG_motoadve said:

Dont you see by their replies that both guys reviewing the Varjo are annoyed by guys arguing with them about the performance? Guys who does not even have the headset think they know more about the Varjo performance than the ones using the headset,  I find it annoying also.

Yes, I see that they are annoyed, I just fail to see why. I don't think that Chili is talking complete nonsense looking at his record. So it would be interesting to find out why the felt performance and the theoretical performance seem to differ. Why would anyone be annoyed by that? It's science! ?

 

Edited February 1, 2022 by J2_NobiWan
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[firdimigdi]

35 minutes ago, J2_NobiWan said:

Yes, I see that they are annoyed, I just fail to see why.

 

I think it was just down to bluntness of phrasing. Anyhow, it's not always easy for people to give up what free time they have and benchmark multiple headsets. Plus, come on now, they just got it and instead of disappearing in their mancave they're at least providing some sort of feedback.

 

Eventually someone will post a frametime chart, be it here or some hardware review site (doubtful it'll come from any of the "VR specialist" youtubers) which will could show that the Aero is more consistent or perhaps it's not and they're the same and it's all down to the AMOLED displays' response time.

[Drum]

The raw numbers of the various headsets, video cards and CPU types combined have helped us understand (thanks Chili) what FPS we can expect to achieve in game with the software and driver versions being used, right now.  Recent video drivers (hardware) and game patches (software) has shown the not so tec savvy (me) that this is going to be an ongoing occurrence until both the hardware & software reach their zenith.

 

Thanks for taking the time to enlighten us on what we can expect to see in game with this exciting gear right now, it really is appreciated everyone!

Edited February 1, 2022 by Drum

[chiliwili69]

20 hours ago, dburne said:

That's right guys, the experience one actually gets that is actually using the freakin headset with the sims matters not one iota. Hell no.

No one here was claiming foveated rendering or Open XR was working for IL-2. Check the reading comprehension please.

Have fun with Chili's benchmarks! How the hell he is benchmarking a headset he does not even have but putting up conjecture on is beyond my lowly comprehension.

 

Enjoy the show!! I have had enough. Have fun projecting and crunching numbers, I will be flying and having an absolute blast.

Sheese...

 

Btw I am not the first to talk about actual slight performance improvement as compared to Reverb G2 or Vive Pro 2. Check around.

Chili - have fun telling everyone how Aero actually is without even having it! 

Screw this. That is enough for me, that is what I get for trying to share information. Plenty of other forums available.

 

Peace brothers  ☮️

 

I don´t know well how have this constructive thread and feedback kindly provided by you Don and others derailed until here.

 

I am super glad having Varjo making headsets for domestic use that make our hobby more enjoyable. 

I am also appreciating all the honest and trustable feedback from you Don and other Aero users. I believe you a hundred times more than any other youtuber.

 

It is obvious that I am not going to tell you what is your own experience and it has been never my intention.

I only asked to you some details (that you kindly provided) of the resolutions to know how the different modes of the Aero works. This is something that I have been doing for all headsets in the market since RiftCV1. I was doing that just to understand the differences between physical display pixels and rendered pixels for every value of SteamVR SS.

 

I would love to have an Aero in my hands to run some benchmarks and perform some through-the-lens pictures as I have done in the past this other headsets. I was doing that just because I had to decide to keep one and wanted to analyze all and keep the best for my own taste. I remember that G2 and VP2 were promising but the Index was better for me.

 

Perhaps I am guilty just to try to know how thing work....

 

 

Guys! take it easy. We are here just sharing our passion for flying in VR with extraordinary planes and scenarios of IL-2.

 

 

[kissTheSky]

6 hours ago, WIS-Redcoat said:

 

 

I work with a lot of engineers at work.  I often find them to be the dumbest smartest people.

Hey now! I resemble this comment! ???

[RAAF492SQNOz_Steve]

Pleased to say that my Aero is finally on it's way from the Australian Varjo distributor. Was apparently was part of the first batch to be received in Australia.

 

Seen some users with MSI X570 motherboards reporting issues and I have MSI X570 as well. Hopefully it will not be the Reverb G2 saga all over again. ?

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

Performance is improved (or butchered, depending on the game) in the pipeline of the game until it hooks up with OpenVR, and the headsets are merely output devices. The only way they may affect it is by absolute pixel demand, by an overhead, or by demand of compression or any other non-classical channels of transmitting the data (e.g. Quest 2 Wireless). The SteamVR headsets all tap in directly into OpenVR for IL-2. It does not affect the smoothness of the frametime no matter what you dream up in hype. This is why we asked for benchmarks when you simply claimed "it has better performance". It makes absolutely no sense if you understand how it all works together, or to laugh about the people asking about this, before you just post nonsense and then laugh at those who asked. Astonishing how many joined in. Idiocracy, know the movie? Funny flick.? But seeing this in action with half a dozen guys voting like this makes me wonder, really.

 

On 2/1/2022 at 1:13 AM, dburne said:

 

 

That's right guys, the experience one actually gets that is actually using the freakin headset with the sims matters not one iota. Hell no.

No one here was claiming foveated rendering or Open XR was working for IL-2. Check the reading comprehension please.

Have fun with Chili's benchmarks! How the hell he is benchmarking a headset he does not even have but putting up conjecture on is beyond my lowly comprehension.

 

Enjoy the show!! I have had enough. Have fun projecting and crunching numbers, I will be flying and having an absolute blast.

Sheese...

 

Btw I am not the first to talk about actual slight performance improvement as compared to Reverb G2 or Vive Pro 2. Check around.

Chili - have fun telling everyone how Aero actually is without even having it! 

Screw this. That is enough for me, that is what I get for trying to share information. Plenty of other forums available.

"Check our reading comprehension please"? Check yourself out please: Don't post assumptions without knowing jack anything. Facts matter, and they don't care about your feelings. Benchmark the thing, or stop babbling nonsense. And if you don't do it, I will do it once it's here.

On 2/1/2022 at 5:05 PM, WIS-Redcoat said:

I work with a lot of engineers at work.  I often find them to be the dumbest smartest people.

Oh please. Attacking people that know to use their brain better is somewhat of a dead-end... I feel like suddenly in the movie Idiocracy. Judging by your upvotes, it seems people do not like engineers in general.

 

Embarassing, for without them the masses would be riding horses and plowing the fields, and taking a dumb (sic) on their own crops so they'd grow better, while not even dreaming about playing Simulators. This entire game was built by software engineers, and the planes we enjoy built by a myriad of mechanical engineers. I chose to respect them.

 

Do what you want, any laugh is an upvote too. And laughing is healthy after all. ?

Edited February 7, 2022 by SCG_Fenris_Wolf

[dburne]

40 minutes ago, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

 

 

"Check our reading comprehension please"? Check yourself out please: Don't post assumptions without knowing jack anything. Facts matter, and they don't care about your feelings. Benchmark the thing, or stop babbling nonsense. And if you don't do it, I will do it once it's here.

 

 

 

Just posting my experiences with my new Aero which I have logged many hours into now with several games. Pretty sure you can't force me to stop.

Just like you are free to post yours whenever you get your hands on one - of which I could care less and likely won't bother to read. 

Don't like my posting? Don't read it.

Another guy posting over on another flight sim forum he found performance in his Aero to be little better than his Vive Pro 2 as well.

Edited February 7, 2022 by dburne

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

31 minutes ago, dburne said:

Don't like my posting? Don't read it.

You take us asking for benchmarks on claims of improved performance personal? When the headset isn't responsible for the performance, but the PC and the game's pipeline is? Okay... that's such a big matter, a fly leaving a white mark on my window is more of a deal!! Why even argue about this? ?

 

Nobody says you should stop saying anything.

 

I'd rather fight for anyone's free speech, even if I thought what he said was total baloney.

 

But if anyone crumbles because people call out shenanigans, that's not others' fault. Getting called out for unfounded stuff is part of free speech too. And you know what, they didn't even say that directly. They just asked for proof. Deal with it.

 

 

Edit: Blunted the blade a bit.

Edited February 7, 2022 by SCG_Fenris_Wolf

[dburne]

14 minutes ago, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

You take us asking for benchmarks on claims of improved performance personal?

 

When the headset isn't responsible for the performance, but the PC and the game's pipeline is? Okay... that's such a big matter, a fly leaving a white mark on my window is more of a deal!! Why even argue about this? ?

 

Nobody says you should stop saying anything.

 

I'd rather fight for your free speech, even if I think what you say is total baloney.

 

But if you crumble because people call out shenanigans, that's not others' fault. Getting called out for unfounded stuff is part of free speech too. And you know what, they didn't even say that directly. They just asked for proof.

 

Deal with it.

 

LOL you are too dang funny bud. Crumble LOL.

I will be kind and not say what I think about "what you say".

Deal with it. 

 

 

[kissTheSky]

I love it when people that are borderline Asperger’s get on their high horse.
 

Jeez, it’s an effing game! 

[LukeFF]

1 hour ago, SCG_Fenris_Wolf said:

Judging by your upvotes, it seems people do not like engineers in general.

 

People are upvoting that comment because they know it's true.  I shared that reply with a longtime friend of mine, and he (an electrical engineer for 20-plus years) heartily agreed with it. Relax  

[TAIPAN_]

On 2/7/2022 at 7:17 PM, RAAF492SQNOz_Steve said:

Pleased to say that my Aero is finally on it's way from the Australian Varjo distributor. Was apparently was part of the first batch to be received in Australia.

 

Seen some users with MSI X570 motherboards reporting issues and I have MSI X570 as well. Hopefully it will not be the Reverb G2 saga all over again. ?

Who did you choose in Australia to order from?

I've been looking at Scorptec, though the pre-order date says April.

 

Really trying to make myself hold off though until they finish the reprojection software. I've seen some MSFS users shelving it or sending it back due to prefering the G2 with reprojection and over ear speakers.

[RAAF492SQNOz_Steve]

23 minutes ago, TAIPAN_ said:

Who did you choose in Australia to order from?

I've been looking at Scorptec, though the pre-order date says April.

 

Really trying to make myself hold off though until they finish the reprojection software. I've seen some MSFS users shelving it or sending it back due to prefering the G2 with reprojection and over ear speakers.

Hi,

 

I placed my order through a Varjo Distributor, Storm FX and was part of the original pre-order for Australia.  At that time no PC retailers listed the Varjo.

 

Placing an order with either Scorptec or PLE should be fine based on my experience.  Most orders placed today directly with Varjo etc are quoted delivery times in the order of 3 months.  So if you place an order with either Scorptec or PLE, and they actually deliver on time, you are doing better than most.

[Guest deleted@134347]

On 2/7/2022 at 3:17 AM, RAAF492SQNOz_Steve said:

Pleased to say that my Aero is finally on it's way from the Australian Varjo distributor. Was apparently was part of the first batch to be received in Australia.

 

Seen some users with MSI X570 motherboards reporting issues and I have MSI X570 as well. Hopefully it will not be the Reverb G2 saga all over again. ?

I've got 2 issues:

1)  Varjo HMD LCD matrix started to show color banding in the middle of the view. It's not noticeable when the HMD is cold (hasn't been on for the last 5-8 hours), however after 2-3 hours of use it becomes extremely prominent. After sending the thru-the-lens pictures to support they initiated an RMA. So that's great!

 

2) yup, can confirm. I've got a MSI x570 tomahawk wi-fi and there's all sorts of problems between Varjo and SteamVR drivers. I've spent 3 days troubleshooting it and the behavior is simply bizarre. Varjo software shows a fully tracking headset view, but SteamVR  either can't see shit, can't see headset plugged in, or it claims the headset can't see basestations when in reality everything is tracking. Because of it you can't launch games because SteamVR is blind.

 

I've narrowed it down to a 50% chance of it working (vs. 100% non working):

- make sure Varjo OpenXR is being used by SteamVR (instead of SteamVR XR), make sure it's modified via Developers settings

- use Steam Beta (latest one as of today).

 

Then wait 3-4 minutes for SteamVR to finally "find" headset, base stations, and after that tracking is rock solid.

 

I've opened tickets with Varjo.. their response is very slow for this issue.

[Patricks]

8 minutes ago, omicron_21 said:

I've got a MSI x570 tomahawk wi-fi

 

You may want to wander over to the "Varjo Gamers Club" discord, IIRC there seems to be an issue with the x570 (or AMD in general, dunno), but best to ask there..

[Guest deleted@134347]

1 hour ago, Icer said:

 

You may want to wander over to the "Varjo Gamers Club" discord, IIRC there seems to be an issue with the x570 (or AMD in general, dunno), but best to ask there..

 

i am there indeed. There's only a single rep from Varjo named Arch. I've unloaded a ton of screenshots and diagnostic info on him, however there isn't much coming back.

[SCG_Fenris_Wolf]

1 hour ago, Icer said:

 

You may want to wander over to the "Varjo Gamers Club" discord, IIRC there seems to be an issue with the x570 (or AMD in general, dunno), but best to ask there..

Thanks, I have the same board. They need to fix their compatibility issues. HP did it with their G2, I hope Varjo does the same. Else I'm going to RMA for a new, freshly packed replacement headset (that's my choice in Germany), so often until they get it together.

 

There was a German guy on the Pimax forums who RMA'd his Pimax 5K+ 6 times for a new one over an issue with cracking cases. Some others joined in, and they did move! ?

Edited February 8, 2022 by SCG_Fenris_Wolf

[dburne]

8 minutes ago, omicron_21 said:

 

i am there indeed. There's only a single rep from Varjo named Arch. I've unloaded a ton of screenshots and diagnostic info on him, however there isn't much coming back.

 

He is an employee of Varjo but not on that discord in official capacity. Best to open a support ticket. They have been pretty good about sending out replacements prior to the return of the original.

Edit: Just saw you already opened ticket, hopefully you hear something soon.

Edited February 8, 2022 by dburne

[TAIPAN_]

6 hours ago, omicron_21 said:

 

2) yup, can confirm. I've got a MSI x570 tomahawk wi-fi and there's all sorts of problems between Varjo and SteamVR drivers. I've spent 3 days troubleshooting it and the behavior is simply bizarre. Varjo software shows a fully tracking headset view, but SteamVR  either can't see shit, can't see headset plugged in, or it claims the headset can't see basestations when in reality everything is tracking. Because of it you can't launch games because SteamVR is blind.

 

 

 

Are you using USB ports from the x570 board?

 

Just asking because many of us with G2s and x570 ended up purchasing a PCI USB expansion card to plug into a separate USB port to solve some of the early issues.

 

Also if it's working in Varjo software but not SteamVR it would be weird that it's hardware related, though stranger things have happened...

[RAAF492SQNOz_Steve]

11 hours ago, TAIPAN_ said:

 

Are you using USB ports from the x570 board?

 

Just asking because many of us with G2s and x570 ended up purchasing a PCI USB expansion card to plug into a separate USB port to solve some of the early issues.

 

Also if it's working in Varjo software but not SteamVR it would be weird that it's hardware related, though stranger things have happened...

 Just posted the below on the Varjo Discord and providing that the 5800x and X570 keep on behaving as it did tonight, see it as good news for MSI Tomahawk X570 PC Owners??? ..................................

 

After much effort I now finally have good news. The Varjo Aero now works! and IL2 looks stunning with it. After trying everything I could think of, with the X570, and the helpful suggestions made by forum users I decided to re-activate my previous PC that is intel based (Z390). Managed to successfully update the Aero firmware (got an error when trying this on X570) and all SteamVR settings were now available. The Z390 and 9900K could only manage 60 Hz but was a surprising smooth experience. Il2 Clarity was very good but quite a bit of image shimmering for mid to distant objects as I could not spare the fps to run antialiasing.

 

Then cabled up the X570, made sure that settings matched other PC (compatability for both OpenVR & OpenXR enabled). Launch VarjoBase, then IL2 which started steamVR without complaining about steamVR being unable to contact HMD and we were up and flying! Tried flying without my glasses as the focal distance, with the Aero, is shorter than the HP G2 and the clarity was good but a bit fuzzy on the left eye. Put on the glasses and that issue went away and image was amazing. Fitting the headset with glasses is a bit of a pain so I see a pair of lens inserts on my shopping list.

 

Used the front USB port on my PC to drive the headset (used the same one yesterday) and have not noticed tracking dropping out for the one HTC Base station 2.0 that I use. Would note that I have only flown for an hour or so, not quite a comprehensive test yet.

Edited February 9, 2022 by RAAF492SQNOz_Steve
Typo's and improve clarity

[TAIPAN_]

10 minutes ago, RAAF492SQNOz_Steve said:

 to re-activate my previous PC that is intel based (Z390). Managed to successfully update the Aero firmware (got an error when trying this on X570) and all SteamVR settings were now available. The Z390 and 9900K could only manage 60 Hz but was a surprising smooth experience. Il2 Clarity was very good but quite a bit of image shimmering for mid to distant objects as I could not spare the fps to run antialiasing.

 

Then cabled up the X570, made sure that settings matched other PC

 

 

Thanks but it's not 100% clear - was it just the firmware update that failed on the X570/Ryzen?

So you used Intel to do the firmware update, and then after that it works on the Ryzen system?

 

Congrats you got it working by the way, must be a relief!

Edited February 9, 2022 by TAIPAN_

[Guest deleted@134347]

2 hours ago, RAAF492SQNOz_Steve said:

 Just posted the below on the Varjo Discord and providing that the 5800x and X570 keep on behaving as it did tonight, see it as good news for MSI Tomahawk X570 PC Owners??? ..................................

 

After much effort I now finally have good news. The Varjo Aero now works! and IL2 looks stunning with it. After trying everything I could think of, with the X570, and the helpful suggestions made by forum users I decided to re-activate my previous PC that is intel based (Z390). Managed to successfully update the Aero firmware (got an error when trying this on X570) and all SteamVR settings were now available. The Z390 and 9900K could only manage 60 Hz but was a surprising smooth experience. Il2 Clarity was very good but quite a bit of image shimmering for mid to distant objects as I could not spare the fps to run antialiasing.

 

Then cabled up the X570, made sure that settings matched other PC (compatability for both OpenVR & OpenXR enabled). Launch VarjoBase, then IL2 which started steamVR without complaining about steamVR being unable to contact HMD and we were up and flying! Tried flying without my glasses as the focal distance, with the Aero, is shorter than the HP G2 and the clarity was good but a bit fuzzy on the left eye. Put on the glasses and that issue went away and image was amazing. Fitting the headset with glasses is a bit of a pain so I see a pair of lens inserts on my shopping list.

 

Used the front USB port on my PC to drive the headset (used the same one yesterday) and have not noticed tracking dropping out for the one HTC Base station 2.0 that I use. Would note that I have only flown for an hour or so, not quite a comprehensive test yet.

 

hi, Steve, pinged you on Discord as well, I'm glad you got it working.

 

One question:   did you reboot your x570 PC since then and tried to use Varjo to play IL2 ?    Still stable ?

[Guest deleted@134347]

15 hours ago, TAIPAN_ said:

 

Are you using USB ports from the x570 board?

 

Just asking because many of us with G2s and x570 ended up purchasing a PCI USB expansion card to plug into a separate USB port to solve some of the early issues.

 

Also if it's working in Varjo software but not SteamVR it would be weird that it's hardware related, though stranger things have happened...

 

it's not a hw USB port issue, at least not in my tests. I've used the PCI-e 3.2gen2 USB card and the issue is the same.

 

The Aero runs SteamVR in "shadow" mode, i.e. it actually launches SteamVR composer + a Varjo composer and a bunch of additional Varjo processes, including one called "varjo-tracking.exe".  In my case there seems to be an integration problem between the two.

 

if @RAAF492SQNOz_Steve setup survives reboots, i.e. it's stable then it's probably not a x570 MSI Tomahawk issue, but either a Windows10 or my HMD.  Varjo has already accepted they need to replace my HMD due to the screen matrix light banding (there are thick dark lines in the middle of my view), so I'm on a fence whether to reinstall my whole OS and deal with all the controller/tweaks resets, or wait for the new HMD and if it still doesn't work blow away my OS install.. 

 

 

[dburne]

Based on what I am seeing in other forums I think Varjo needs to spend some resources investigating any compatibility issues with the X570 motherboards.

Course we know they don't support AMD GPU's. 

[robbiec]

Well the majority of their commercial sales will be to Workstation grade users and Intel gave up that space over a year ago with 2nd Gen Threadripper. Ref the GPU's I suspect they are utilising some CUDA stuff in their drivers / applications so I don't anticipate AMD GPU support in the foreseeable future. 

[RAAF492SQNOz_Steve]

14 hours ago, TAIPAN_ said:

 

Thanks but it's not 100% clear - was it just the firmware update that failed on the X570/Ryzen?

So you used Intel to do the firmware update, and then after that it works on the Ryzen system?

 

Congrats you got it working by the way, must be a relief!

Hi Taipan,

 

It is not a 100% clear to me either as I did some other changes as well such as (compatability for both OpenVR & OpenXR enabled, changing startup sequence etc.) but thought I had done all of that before when trying to get it to work.

 

It was really late at night and I was very tired by the time I stopped for the night. When I was having problems, I tried many setting configurations and PC reboots. At that time could just not get past the SteamVR start menu.

 

The error I was getting on the Aero (when X570 was not working) when trying to complete the recommended firmware update is attached. Tried doing the firmware update prior to running any games etc. Headset was connect to PC etc and tried swapping ports etc.

 

First attempt at a firmware upgrade on the Z390 worked fine and I have not had any issues on either PC since then.

 

So not a 100% guaranteed fix but is the most obvious change in getting the system working.

 

 

10 hours ago, omicron_21 said:

 

it's not a hw USB port issue, at least not in my tests. I've used the PCI-e 3.2gen2 USB card and the issue is the same.

 

The Aero runs SteamVR in "shadow" mode, i.e. it actually launches SteamVR composer + a Varjo composer and a bunch of additional Varjo processes, including one called "varjo-tracking.exe".  In my case there seems to be an integration problem between the two.

 

if @RAAF492SQNOz_Steve setup survives reboots, i.e. it's stable then it's probably not a x570 MSI Tomahawk issue, but either a Windows10 or my HMD.  Varjo has already accepted they need to replace my HMD due to the screen matrix light banding (there are thick dark lines in the middle of my view), so I'm on a fence whether to reinstall my whole OS and deal with all the controller/tweaks resets, or wait for the new HMD and if it still doesn't work blow away my OS install.. 

 

 

Rebooted X570 is stable so far.

Expect to do a lot more flying tonight, after work, so will have more confidence after that session if mission goes Ok.

Edited February 10, 2022 by RAAF492SQNOz_Steve
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I'm thinking I might be better off waiting until the pre order period is over and they're available retail.. so I can let all you guinea pigs sort out the issues before I take the risk

I just don't have the patience to deal with this, even basic tuning is enough time usage without having these kind of things..

Maybe the price will even come down

[RAAF492SQNOz_Steve]

4 hours ago, TAIPAN_ said:

I'm thinking I might be better off waiting until the pre order period is over and they're available retail.. so I can let all you guinea pigs sort out the issues before I take the risk

I just don't have the patience to deal with this, even basic tuning is enough time usage without having these kind of things..

Maybe the price will even come down

Seems like a reasonable approach if you have the ability to fight off the urge to get the latest and greatest in tech.  In reality, the HP Reverb G2 is a very good headset for sims if you can accept it's some what small sweet spot.

 

The advantage of waiting is also that a competitor may come up with a headset that has a better FOV. Think it will be quite a while before the clarity of the Aero will be beaten.

 

Suspect that the big challenge, for new Aero users, is getting head to HMD positioning correct. Aspherical lenses are great but it appears that correct eye position is critical to getting the best clarity and minimal chromatic effects. That has been my experience with the Aero.

 

Fresnel lenses have more tolerance to minor errors in positioning or HMD fitment but inherently come with other negative characteristics.