Developer Diary 290 - Discussion

[AndyJWest]

It does look rather nice.

[Blitzen]

See this vid for full info re BOAC Ball bearing flights:

 

[Vortice]

Grandad are you watching up there? They made your plane and soon I'm going to fly it. ?

[Avimimus]

Mossie Mossie Mossie!

 

By the way - with regard to the RP-3 AP and 57mm cannon - I think we need an artificial boost in damage against ships - or the addition of a hitbox to ships for simulating waterline hits (the best solution)... in order to simulate the effectiveness of these weapons when they scored waterline hits.

 

Currently AP rounds/rockets are much less effective than HE rockets.

Edited August 20, 2021 by Avimimus

[coreyhkh]

model looks great! I hope the sounds are as good as the model

[namhee2]

37 minutes ago, Blitzen said:

See this vid for full info re BOAC Ball bearing flights:

 

I've seen this before, have you ever noticed how many official skins there are that don't have a map to match? 

[[F.Circus]FrangibleCover]

2 hours ago, ITAF_Airone1989 said:

How will distingue them during the game?!

The only difference to me seems to be the canopy

- Mossie has forward swept trailing edge and unswept leading edge, Hornisse is much more arrow winged.

- As you say, very different canopies: Hornisse is more teardrop shaped from the side and has a very distinctive pair of lobes on either side that the gunner uses to see below the tail. Mossie is relatively conventional and has a solid nose instead of a glazed nose.

- Mossie wing nacelles penetrate the entire wing and emerge from the rear, Hornisse ones end halfway into the wing. The Mossie nacelles are also more or less flush with the upper wing while the Hornisse ones protrude.

- Mossie nose and nacelles have relatively equal length, Hornisse nose is much stubbier than the nacelles and visibly sits behind them.

- If all else fails, the Hornisse is the only one that has a rear gunner, although ideally you will identify it before you know if it has a gunner.

 

Shouldn't be too terribly difficult, if you can tell between a Peshka and a 110 you'll manage this.

Edited August 20, 2021 by [F.Circus]FrangibleCover

[76IAP-Black]

I would even go further, black cross and RAF roundel 

[Diggun]

Petition to have Neils Bohr as a payload option please... 

[616Sqn_Tyggz]

It's hard to choose which one of these awesome screenshots should be my next desktop background. The textures look like some of the best in sim to date!

 

I think this one wins it.

 

 

Are we likely to see a mod that removes exhaust shrouds for daylight ops? And are we getting a crewable navigators position?

[Asgar]

30 minutes ago, [F.Circus]FrangibleCover said:

Shouldn't be too terribly difficult, if you can tell between a Peshka and a 110 you'll manage this.

speaking from experience... not many people can ? 

[silvergun]

18 minutes ago, 616Sqn_Tyggz said:

Are we likely to see a mod that removes exhaust shrouds for daylight ops? 

 

In the DD 262 render shots, they are displayed without the exhaust shrouds, maybe is MOD.

 

 

 

[CountZero]

3 hours ago, Lord_Strange said:

She's a beauty. I don't care how many times I get shot down, doing low-and-fast bombing runs in MP is going to be so much fun.

Without rear gunner it will be easy target in MP if used low alt, its speed got in play becuase they could not scramble airplanes fast enought and that high as they would detect them late, no because it was faster then fighters, in MP he aint gona have advantage of suprise or historical numbers of LW.

[Peachy9]

Will we get a bomber version too? And will it have an incendiary as well as an HE load (most low level land attacks had a mix of 500 or 250s and 40lb WP ignited incendiary)?

 

[CountZero]

3 minutes ago, Peachy9 said:

Will we get a bomber version too? And will it have an incendiary as well as an HE load (most low level land attacks had a mix of 500 or 250s and 40lb WP ignited incendiary)?

 

You think this is WarThunder ?, you get AP or HE ahere nd your lucky with that untill they add more ?

[FlyingNutcase]

Just smashing my dear chaps. 

 

Any expected release period for BoN? I was assuming November but that's suddenly not far away. 

[LukeFF]

23 minutes ago, Peachy9 said:

Will we get a bomber version too?

 

No, it's the FB VI version and the XVIII model we're getting. The other versions are substantially different. 

Edited August 20, 2021 by LukeFF

[Rjel]

33 minutes ago, CountZero said:

Without rear gunner it will be easy target in MP if used low alt, its speed got in play becuase they could not scramble airplanes fast enought and that high as they would detect them late, no because it was faster then fighters, in MP he aint gona have advantage of suprise or historical numbers of LW.

I wouldn't want to use it on a DF server either but why wouldn't it mimic its real life self if used as it was historically on a somewhat historical server? It's not going to announce its coming is it? Fast and low. Diving from a higher altitude to pick up even more speed. If it doesn't fly straight and true towards a target, why shouldn't it succeed?

3 minutes ago, LukeFF said:

 

No, it's the FB VI version and the XVIII model we're getting. The other versions are substantially different. 

It would make an impressive Premium plane at some point I'd think.

Edited August 20, 2021 by Rjel
grammer

[JG4_Moltke1871]

4 hours ago, Asgar said:

@Jason_Williams something went terribly wrong, your Me 410 looks nothing like the photos! 



In all seriousness, beautiful plane, can't wait to fly her!

Indeed it’s time for a reinforcement for the blue side ?

[JG1_Wittmann]

How many of the XVIII  with the 57mm cannon were built ?

[LukeFF]

6 minutes ago, JG1_Wittmann said:

How many of the XVIII  with the 57mm cannon were built ?

 

18

[Avimimus]

5 minutes ago, JG1_Wittmann said:

How many of the XVIII  with the 57mm cannon were built ?

 

18? Including the prototype?

[Asgar]

18... i think there were 37 Do 335... gib? ? 

[Ouky1991]

Are there any other major graphics improvements besides the clouds on the way? I would love to see better water rendering, is it possible to add screen space reflections?

[Noisemaker]

2 hours ago, Avimimus said:

Mossie Mossie Mossie!

 

By the way - with regard to the RP-3 AP and 57mm cannon - I think we need an artificial boost in damage against shops

Is there a particular greengrocer in France that you have an issue with? 

[LuftManu]

Wooden wonder! 

 

She is a beauty in engine

[Trooper117]

If you want to employ that Tsetse you'll want a map for the Norwegian fjords, plus a map of Scotland with the Coastal Command airfields of Banff and Dallachy as part of the Banff Strike Wing, disrupting the flow of iron-ore to Germany.

Oh, in case I forget, you'll need some Beaufighters as well... (I can dream!)

[Noisemaker]

59 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

If you want to employ that Tsetse you'll want a map for the Norwegian fjords, plus a map of Scotland with the Coastal Command airfields of Banff and Dallachy as part of the Banff Strike Wing, disrupting the flow of iron-ore to Germany.

Oh, in case I forget, you'll need some Beaufighters as well... (I can dream!)

Battle of Norway?  Hmmm...

[JG1_Wittmann]

I'm guessing then that all of the Rusatz    R Kits  for the 190, 109,  etc  must have all #'d  less than 18 produced  in total, especially the varying gun or Nitrous, etc  or they would be in game like these unicorns 

[Asgar]

9 minutes ago, JG1_Wittmann said:

I'm guessing then that all of the Rusatz    R Kits  for the 190, 109,  etc  must have all #'d  less than 18 produced  in total, especially the varying gun or Nitrous, etc  or they would be in game like these unicorns 

? We have 20mm gun pods for pretty much all 109s with F-4 onwards, we have 30mm gunpods on the appropriate 190s. We may not have GM-1 but we also don't have any Reichverteidigungs scenarios where we're fighting at 30k ft hunting B-17s

[busdriver]

2 hours ago, JG1_Wittmann said:

How many of the XVIII  with the 57mm cannon were built ?

 

Only 13 of the 18 saw combat. Deliveries were spread out over a long stretch. I think only seven had been delivered by D-Day. Where you see 248/254 means 248 Sqn passed those seven airplanes on to 254 Sqn (a Beaufighter squadron at North Coates) in January 1945. At that point 254 Sqn flew both Beaufighters and Mosquitos, the same way 333 Sqn A Flight flew Catalinas and B Flight Mosquitos.

[JG1_Wittmann]

I wonder if the upgunned LW AC  had more than 18 ,      I don't mean  20mm ,  or  30mm 108,  but say mk 103.  We do not have a 103 available for  a 190,   and the A6  has lesser cannon capability than the A5,    as does the A8,  with the exception of the mk108 on tha A8  available for the A5 on.    Hopefully when the  410 is released it will be given some decent options,   but  if history is any guide   we can expect nothing more than the minimal armament   unless of course,   at least 18    out of thousands produced  were so equipped,  applicable only  to LW  AC, as this Unicorn has now set the bar  fairly low for availability.  

 

I would agree  that is a cool option the allies have, very powerful cannon.   Will be interesting to see if it's accuracy in game  matches  that of RL  as it was poor  and relegated to  anti-ship duty that it could hit.   If rockets  in game are any guide,  then  it will not follow  reality and will be   more laser like,  time will tell

[LukeFF]

1 minute ago, JG1_Wittmann said:

I wonder if the upgunned LW AC  had more than 18 ,      I don't mean  20mm ,  or  30mm 108,  but say mk 103.  We do not have a 103 available for  a 190,   and the A6  has lesser cannon capability than the A5,    as does the A8,  with the exception of the mk108 on tha A8  available for the A5 on.    Hopefully when the  410 is released it will be given some decent options,   but  if history is any guide   we can expect nothing more than the minimal armament   unless of course,   at least 18    out of thousands produced  were so equipped,  applicable only  to LW  AC, as this Unicorn has now set the bar  fairly low for availability.  

 

What in the world are you going on about? We already have plenty of ueber-rare (but yet operational) mods for German planes - gyro gunsight for the 262 and Dora-9, 1.98 ata and 500 kg bombs for the K-4, dual 20 mm gunpods for the A-5, etc. If you're going to be consistent in your argument, you need to say those are unicorn mods as well. 

[Asgar]

2 minutes ago, JG1_Wittmann said:

I wonder if the upgunned LW AC  had more than 18 ,      I don't mean  20mm ,  or  30mm 108,  but say mk 103.  We do not have a 103 available for  a 190,   and the A6  has lesser cannon capability than the A5,    as does the A8,  with the exception of the mk108 on tha A8  available for the A5 on.    Hopefully when the  410 is released it will be given some decent options,   but  if history is any guide   we can expect nothing more than the minimal armament   unless of course,   at least 18    out of thousands produced  were so equipped,  applicable only  to LW  AC, as this Unicorn has now set the bar  fairly low for availability.  

 

I would agree  that is a cool option the allies have, very powerful cannon.   Will be interesting to see if it's accuracy in game  matches  that of RL  as it was poor  and relegated to  anti-ship duty that it could hit.   If rockets  in game are any guide,  then  it will not follow  reality and will be   more laser like,  time will tell

dude... stop asking for prototypes you saw in War Thunder

There was:
ONE 190 A5 with MK 103,

FOUR A8 with MK 103
no records on any produced F-4s
and no records on F-6s build

[CountZero]

7 minutes ago, JG1_Wittmann said:

I wonder if the upgunned LW AC  had more than 18 ,      I don't mean  20mm ,  or  30mm 108,  but say mk 103.  We do not have a 103 available for  a 190,   and the A6  has lesser cannon capability than the A5,    as does the A8,  with the exception of the mk108 on tha A8  available for the A5 on.    Hopefully when the  410 is released it will be given some decent options,   but  if history is any guide   we can expect nothing more than the minimal armament   unless of course,   at least 18    out of thousands produced  were so equipped,  applicable only  to LW  AC, as this Unicorn has now set the bar  fairly low for availability.  

 

I would agree  that is a cool option the allies have, very powerful cannon.   Will be interesting to see if it's accuracy in game  matches  that of RL  as it was poor  and relegated to  anti-ship duty that it could hit.   If rockets  in game are any guide,  then  it will not follow  reality and will be   more laser like,  time will tell

 

how many ar-234B2 were flyng over Normandy, ill give up big gun on mosqutio if insted ar-234b2 LW gets Do-217 ?

[sevenless]

2 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

If you want to employ that Tsetse you'll want a map for the Norwegian fjords, plus a map of Scotland with the Coastal Command airfields of Banff and Dallachy as part of the Banff Strike Wing, disrupting the flow of iron-ore to Germany.

Oh, in case I forget, you'll need some Beaufighters as well... (I can dream!)

 

Yep I want that, all of it and even more. But I also want a cookie monster aka Mosquito Mk B XVI

 

[SOLIDKREATE]

Hey, 190 pilots, yeah you........it's Cowabunga time.   ?

 

 

MOZZY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[busdriver]

5 hours ago, JG1_Wittmann said:

Will be interesting to see if it's accuracy in game  matches  that of RL  as it was poor  and relegated to  anti-ship duty that it could hit.

 

It's accuracy was "meh." The FB.XVIII had two gunsights, one for the MGs and one for the cannon. [I can't find the source I thought mentioned that, in fact two other sources say a single gunsight. My mistake.] WRT being relegated to anti-ship duty, I suppose you might not understand the huge difference between the mission of Coastal Command and Fighter Command (and 2TAF). And when it comes to RPs, absent three nights of trials by 305 Sqn, I can only find Coastal Command Mosquitos using them operationally. 

 

@LukeFFI see they've hung RPs on the FB.XVIII, I can't find that load combination in 248 Sqn's ORB or recall seeing any pictures of that load. Have you found something?

Edited August 21, 2021 by busdriver

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

3 hours ago, Noisemaker said:

Is there a particular greengrocer in France that you have an issue with? 

 

I read it and passed over it like a Mossie on a PR mission.

 

[LukeFF]

39 minutes ago, busdriver said:

I see they've hung RPs on the FB.XVIII, I can't find that load combination in 248 Sqn's ORB or recall seeing any pictures of that load. Have you found something?

 

I don't recall seeing that in any mission logs, but I'd need to go back through them to see if anything like that is mentioned. My initial guess is no, they didn't carry both rockets and that cannon at the same time.