CPU for fluent high density missions?

[Eisenfaustus]

I‘m thinking of getting a new gaming laptop in spite of the hardware crisis. 
 

But my question is: What kind of CPU is needed to play high density career or pwcg missions without slow motion?

[chiliwili69]

Answer is easy, just go tothis page https://www.cpubenchmark.net/CPU_mega_page.html

Add columns for price and test date , then filter by laptop and short it by Thread Mark.

 

Then see what of those CPUs are already available and a what price.

 

The higher CPU mark the less time dilation in IL-2. 

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

Go for an intel tiger lake i7-11800h for the best single core performance.

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

2 hours ago, =AW=drewm3i-VR said:

Go for an intel tiger lake i7-11800h for the best single core performance.

Or i9-11900h

[Eisenfaustus]

14 hours ago, =AW=drewm3i-VR said:

Go for an intel tiger lake i7-11800h for the best single core performance.

From @chiliwili69‘s list it seems the Ryzen 7 5800H is very close in performance- does the 11800H have a considerable edge in a way I don’t see?

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

33 minutes ago, Eisenfaustus said:

From @chiliwili69‘s list it seems the Ryzen 7 5800H is very close in performance- does the 11800H have a considerable edge in a way I don’t see?

Yes, it is 15-20% better in gaming, particularly single core loads. I run a ryzen 5600x on desktop but the tiger lake h is the best laptop cpu for gaming right now and equal to ryzen in multicore.

 

 

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html

 

[chiliwili69]

On the desktop CPUs, we saw in the SYN_Vander tests that 5900X was about 10% faster than 11900K or 11700K.

Every game runs differently and in the case of IL-2 we saw a little avantage for the Ryzens.

 

But we have no tests in IL-2 for the equivalent CPUs in laptops.

 

BTW, whatever laptop you buy you are of course welcome to report your tests of the SYN_Vander bechmark.  ? 

[Voyager]

Based on what we saw in the Syn_Vander tests, Il-2 seems to be most sensitive to memory latency. From Anandtech's look at the architectures, the 11 series Intel chips do take a slight step backwards in that, while Zen 3 really greatly improved on it. 

 

Does make me wonder how things will play out with the DDR5 generation though, but that's a topic for a different time. 

 

Addendum: looking at the report, it got updated with newer microcode: CPU Tests: Microbenchmarks - Intel Core i7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake
https://www.anandtech.com/show/16535/intel-core-i7-11700k-review-blasting-off-with-rocket-lake/3

 

Looks like Rocket Lake's memory latency is an improvement over gen 10, and trades with Zen 3 depending on how deep it needs to go. Interesting. 

 

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

On 8/7/2021 at 1:49 AM, Voyager said:

Based on what we saw in the Syn_Vander tests, Il-2 seems to be most sensitive to memory latency. From Anandtech's look at the architectures, the 11 series Intel chips do take a slight step backwards in that, while Zen 3 really greatly improved on it. 

 

Does make me wonder how things will play out with the DDR5 generation though, but that's a topic for a different time. 

 

Addendum: looking at the report, it got updated with newer microcode: CPU Tests: Microbenchmarks - Intel Core i7-11700K Review: Blasting Off with Rocket Lake
https://www.anandtech.com/show/16535/intel-core-i7-11700k-review-blasting-off-with-rocket-lake/3

 

Looks like Rocket Lake's memory latency is an improvement over gen 10, and trades with Zen 3 depending on how deep it needs to go. Interesting. 

 

You are talking about desktop cpus, the 11th gen intel tiger lake h cpus are 10nm+ and are in a whole other league relative to the ancient 14nm++++++++++++ 11th gen desktop parts in performance per watt. Even in sheer performance, the laptop parts are neck and neck with a desktop 11th gen chip running at 4x the power envelope. For a laptop cpu for il-2, tiger lake h45 cannot be beat. Not that ryzen is bad, just that intel is king again for gaming laptop cpus. FWIW, I run a ryzen 5600x in my desktop with 32 GB cl15 3800 mhz ram so I am by no means an intel muppet lol.

[ZachariasX]

45 minutes ago, =AW=drewm3i-VR said:

You are talking about desktop cpus, the 11th gen intel tiger lake h cpus are 10nm+ and are in a whole other league relative to the ancient 14nm++++++++++++ 11th gen desktop parts in performance per watt.

Actually, they are pretty miserable parts when taking power consumption into account. That is one of the reasons why Intel 10 nm CPUs have few cores. They draw just too much power. See here:

 

https://www.cpubenchmark.net/power_performance.html

 

The 10 nm process is actually worse than the 14whatever process in power per instruction and the current 10 nm CPUs are good gaming parts due to higher instructions per cycle that in part offsets lower frequencies, especially in mobile parts. Things have gotten a tad better, but Intels game is still producing fewer, but very hot running parts. Current games often even like that. The latest Intel chips are indeed the best „notebook“ (not that you’d be running them on the battery when gaming) gaming parts, although by a small margin. But it still makes Intel lag about two process nodes over the competition and on average, this makes them sub par.

[Eisenfaustus]

I got a Dell G15. 
 

It is as if I was playing a different Game. 
 

A ground attack mission on high density in Moscow career I aborted on my old system as time dilation slowed to roughly 1/4th or slower now was playable super smooth in real time. 
 

when I tried to speed up on my way home the time became actually became a little faster although not 2x. 
 

So the i7-11800H seems to do the trick quite well…

 

Looking forward to birds of steel ^^

 

[Gambit21]

13 hours ago, Eisenfaustus said:

I got a Dell G15. 
 

It is as if I was playing a different Game. 
 

A ground attack mission on high density in Moscow career I aborted on my old system as time dilation slowed to roughly 1/4th or slower now was playable super smooth in real time. 
 

when I tried to speed up on my way home the time became actually became a little faster although not 2x. 
 

So the i7-11800H seems to do the trick quite well…

 

Looking forward to birds of steel ^^

 

 

Yeah -  basically due to bottleneck somewhere, the current fastest CPU's always play the sim as it should have performed on the processors 1 generation at least, but arguably more like 2 generations ago.

I've done so much damn testing of this...been like that for years. 

 

It's like getting a bigger, and bigger, and bigger water pump, but the output hose diameter never changes.

So yes the flow increases some with the bigger and bigger pumps each time as it must to some extent, but not like it would if you'd install a larger diameter hose. You're always behind in other words. Analogy not perfect I realize, but close enough.

 

Anyway I think the current processors (especially Ryzen) have finally reached a decent performance threshold - keeping the above in mind.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 19, 2021 by Gambit21

[chiliwili69]

On 8/18/2021 at 6:49 PM, Eisenfaustus said:

So the i7-11800H seems to do the trick quite well…

Congrats for your purchase.

Those laptop CPUs are interesting. If you have time, try just to run the SYN_Vander benchmark (just the CPU test) so we can all know how they compare with the desktop line CPUs.

 

The benchmark is here: 

 

[IckyATLAS]

Intel Alder Lake thin-fet 10nm is coming shortly for desktops.

Maybe Intel will be able to regain it's crown.

After all yes AMD is at 7nm and maybe going to 5nm, but when we see how much improvement was squeezed out of the 14nm design by Intel we can be sure that the 10nm will be able to compete with the 7nm design from AMD.

What happens when AMD brings out 5nm CPU's next year is not clear and may again turn the tables.

[dburne]

4 hours ago, IckyATLAS said:

Intel Alder Lake thin-fet 10nm is coming shortly for desktops.

Maybe Intel will be able to regain it's crown.

After all yes AMD is at 7nm and maybe going to 5nm, but when we see how much improvement was squeezed out of the 14nm design by Intel we can be sure that the 10nm will be able to compete with the 7nm design from AMD.

What happens when AMD brings out 5nm CPU's next year is not clear and may again turn the tables.

 

Hmmmm....

[ZachariasX]

50 minutes ago, dburne said:

Hmmmm....

You can either dream on what Intel maybe might be doing in the future, or look at what is actually working silicon somewhere else.

[IckyATLAS]

12 hours ago, ZachariasX said:

You can either dream on what Intel maybe might be doing in the future, or look at what is actually working silicon somewhere else.

Should be possible to have it for Christmas. Intel is not much impacted from the chip shortages. They have their own fab or production factories, so I go that if it is out in October then we will get it in December. All the others get glued into the shortages due to production situation in asia.

So here it is not a dream, as Intel has to make quickly a move to catch-up for the Christmas season. What is less clear is what kind of performance we will get out of it.

How well will work the mix of power hungry double thread and energy efficient single thread cores is an unknown, and how well will the Windows 11 scheduler manage them is also not very clear. So many questions are unanswered, except the one regarding the chip, we will have it.

Edited August 27, 2021 by IckyATLAS

[354thFG_Drewm3i-VR]

On 8/25/2021 at 12:33 AM, chiliwili69 said:

Congrats for your purchase.

Those laptop CPUs are interesting. If you have time, try just to run the SYN_Vander benchmark (just the CPU test) so we can all know how they compare with the desktop line CPUs.

 

The benchmark is here: 

 

Please do, @Eisenfaustus. We are very curious.

18 hours ago, IckyATLAS said:

Intel Alder Lake thin-fet 10nm is coming shortly for desktops.

Maybe Intel will be able to regain it's crown.

After all yes AMD is at 7nm and maybe going to 5nm, but when we see how much improvement was squeezed out of the 14nm design by Intel we can be sure that the 10nm will be able to compete with the 7nm design from AMD.

What happens when AMD brings out 5nm CPU's next year is not clear and may again turn the tables.

Remember, intel 10nm~TSMC 7nm. They are very comparable. I have a ryzen 5600x, but I suspect Intel will regain the IL-2 crown.

[ZachariasX]

35 minutes ago, IckyATLAS said:

So here it is not a dream, as Intel has to make quickly a move to catch-up for the Christmas season. What is less clear is what kind of performance we will get out of it.

I doubt Intel can turn around that tanker so quickly. But they have Pat Gelsinger (I haven't read about anyone not thinking of him as the right man for the job) at the helm now, I'm confident they come back after the last management left us and the industry with scorched earth.

 

I wanted to buy a new rig now, this summer. But I think it's gonna be next summer...

[IckyATLAS]

42 minutes ago, ZachariasX said:

I doubt Intel can turn around that tanker so quickly. But they have Pat Gelsinger (I haven't read about anyone not thinking of him as the right man for the job) at the helm now, I'm confident they come back after the last management left us and the industry with scorched earth.

 

I wanted to buy a new rig now, this summer. But I think it's gonna be next summer...

You are right, the last management nearly tanked Intel in certain marked segments. I am also happy that they turned around their decision to separate themselves from the fabs and maybe sell them, not only they will keep them but they will add new ones. This was an excellent decision when one sees how things look now.