1CGS LukeFF Posted July 9, 2021 1CGS Posted July 9, 2021 45 minutes ago, Enceladus said: By the way, which model are we getting B-26C, B-26G. If Wikipedia is accurate, it looks like a C model, since the G model dispensed with the nose gun. 1
ZachariasX Posted July 9, 2021 Posted July 9, 2021 Absolutely great, all these nice new planes! The Marauder and the Arado look just grand!
FlyingNutcase Posted July 9, 2021 Posted July 9, 2021 Nice closeup detail on that Arado. Looking as sweet as pie. ?
PatrickAWlson Posted July 9, 2021 Posted July 9, 2021 Just having the SPAD VII will immediately allow me to push the campaign start date back to June of 1917 (currently September). 2 1
sevenless Posted July 9, 2021 Posted July 9, 2021 2 hours ago, Avimimus said: I rather hope that the Arado's rear 20mm cannons are going to be optional (or even not available) and that their absence from the 3d model isn't just due to them not being added yet. We´ll have to wait and see. The B2 was designed to carry them however. If they were flying operationally with them, that might be an entirely other question.
1CGS LukeFF Posted July 9, 2021 1CGS Posted July 9, 2021 1 hour ago, sevenless said: We´ll have to wait and see. The B2 was designed to carry them however. If they were flying operationally with them, that might be an entirely other question. There is no evidence that armament was ever used. Speed and speed alone was the Ar 234's defense. 4 hours ago, Avimimus said: Honestly, I get the impression from past conversations here that an improvised forward firing gunpod would have been more common in service than the rear firing guns. Also, zero evidence of such armament being used.
sevenless Posted July 9, 2021 Posted July 9, 2021 Just now, LukeFF said: There is no evidence that armament was ever used. Speed and speed alone was the Ar 234's defense. I know after having read both Jan Horns diary of KG 76 and the Smith+Creek book of the 234 that on the operational level there is scarce to no evidence. However since it is in the 11/44 original documents it can´t be completely ruled out that they flew with it, but never were forced to use it due to their speed advantage.
1CGS LukeFF Posted July 9, 2021 1CGS Posted July 9, 2021 13 minutes ago, sevenless said: I know after having read both Jan Horns diary of KG 76 and the Smith+Creek book of the 234 that on the operational level there is scarce to no evidence. However since it is in the 11/44 original documents it can´t be completely ruled out that they flew with it, but never were forced to use it due to their speed advantage. Smith and Forsyth's book on KG 76 - which is by far the most detailed book on the Ar 234 to date - mentions nothing about it, nor do any of the postwar evaluations (also discussed in the book).
=IRFC=Gascan Posted July 9, 2021 Posted July 9, 2021 7 hours ago, Oliver88 said: I really cannot wait for the Airco and it’s skinning template. ? Able to spill the beans already on what modifications are going to be available for her? Same as in Rise of Flight? Or are we going to get anything new for her? ???? This please! Always happy to see the FC love.
sevenless Posted July 9, 2021 Posted July 9, 2021 21 minutes ago, LukeFF said: Smith and Forsyth's book on KG 76 - which is by far the most detailed book on the Ar 234 to date - mentions nothing about it, nor do any of the postwar evaluations (also discussed in the book). Could well be. Which book by Smith and Forsyth? You mean that 230 page piece by Chandos Publications of Creek and Forsyth from 2020 of which parts are recycled in the Osprey book by Forsyth and Beale in 2020 dealing with the Arado? Anyhow, in game terms it wouldn´t matter. Aiming backwards with the periscope would be near impossible for the pilot anyways.
Feathered_IV Posted July 9, 2021 Posted July 9, 2021 Nice update. I especially like the B-26 and look forward to seeing how the FC2 aircraft turn out. Is it possible to ask the person making the default skins to turn the weathering down a bit? The current effect is really quite over the top and makes them look like they were found in a barn somewhere. 4
1CGS LukeFF Posted July 9, 2021 1CGS Posted July 9, 2021 29 minutes ago, sevenless said: Could well be. Which book by Smith and Forsyth? You mean that 230 page piece by Chandos Publications of Creek and Forsyth from 2020 of which parts are recycled in the Osprey book by Forsyth and Beale in 2020 dealing with the Arado? Yes, that's the one.
Legioneod Posted July 9, 2021 Posted July 9, 2021 Looking nice Hope that B-26 is made flyable one day, it’s my all time favorite medium bomber. B-25 gets all the glory but the B-26 did a lot of work in Europe. Having it flyable by the player would be a dream come true. 1 3
sevenless Posted July 10, 2021 Posted July 10, 2021 21 minutes ago, LukeFF said: Yes, that's the one. I see. That one is kinda redundant if you already have the both below. Nicely pictured and layouted though. Resold mine last year. Technical details: Amazon.com: Arado Ar 234 Blitz (Monogram Monarch No. 1) (9780914144519): J. Richard Smith, Eddie J. Creek: Books KG 76 Arado 234 history: Berliner Zinnfiguren | Horn, Jan: KG 76. Die Chronik des Kampfgeschwaders 76im Zeitraum 01.01.1944 bis 08,05,1945 | Online kaufen 1
US103_Baer Posted July 10, 2021 Posted July 10, 2021 (edited) More SPADS = More Better! Look at that thing. Awesome Now if we could just get a 220hp Spad XIII we'd be set from 1916 all the way into 1918 ? Edited July 10, 2021 by US28_Baer 1
RAAF492SQNOz_Steve Posted July 10, 2021 Posted July 10, 2021 Hmmm..... Me262 & Arado Ar 324. All we need now is a flyable Komet! 8
Denum Posted July 10, 2021 Posted July 10, 2021 7 minutes ago, Frequent_Flyer said: What is the estimate release date for BON ? You can pre order and fly as it comes out. I'd guess Q2 of 2022 at the earliest for full release.
Avimimus Posted July 10, 2021 Posted July 10, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, LukeFF said: Also, zero evidence of such armament being used. What about that P-38 reconnaissance aircraft shot down over Italy? A kill claim is evidence of use, is it not? Assuming the source is accurate? 1 hour ago, RAAF492SQNOz_Steve said: Hmmm..... Me262 & Arado Ar 324. All we need now is a flyable Komet! No heavy bombers for the Me-163 to intercept though... now a He-162 on the other hand! Edited July 10, 2021 by Avimimus
RAAF492SQNOz_Steve Posted July 10, 2021 Posted July 10, 2021 25 minutes ago, Avimimus said: No heavy bombers for the Me-163 to intercept though... now a He-162 on the other hand! I was aware of that issue but I have always wanted to be a glider pilot (i.e. when the T-Stoff and the C-Stoff ran out) Could still give the B-25's a bit of a shakeup. And think of the excitement, if the IL2 dev team modelled it's propensity to explode on take-off !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 1
1CGS LukeFF Posted July 10, 2021 1CGS Posted July 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Avimimus said: What about that P-38 reconnaissance aircraft shot down over Italy? A kill claim is evidence of use, is it not? Assuming the source is accurate? What kill claim?
Guest deleted@171995 Posted July 10, 2021 Posted July 10, 2021 торпедоносец torpedo bomber version скорее бы тихий океан уже ? I would rather have the Pacific ocean already ? A-26 invader was used in the Ardennes. it would have been made letable. I would have bought it right away.
Blooddawn1942 Posted July 10, 2021 Posted July 10, 2021 I'd take the Marauder any time above the B-25. I hope I will be flying this incredible bird sometimes in the Future above the shores of Normandy. 8
THERION Posted July 10, 2021 Posted July 10, 2021 6 hours ago, RAAF492SQNOz_Steve said: Hmmm..... Me262 & Arado Ar 324. All we need now is a flyable Komet! Actually, the ME-163 Komet (although a very interesting plane) does not make any sense for IL2 Great Battles as long as we don't see 4 mot bomber and not to mention huge bomber formations.
J2_Bidu Posted July 10, 2021 Posted July 10, 2021 2 hours ago, THERION said: [...] the ME-163 Komet [...] does not make any sense [...] "Sense"?! What do you mean?!... ...ah! Yes! We need those Jagdfaust sensors! 1
Luger1969 Posted July 10, 2021 Posted July 10, 2021 11 hours ago, RAAF492SQNOz_Steve said: Hmmm..... Me262 & Arado Ar 324. All we need now is a flyable Komet! Dear I perhaps mention the Gloster Meteor....my poll has not gone as expected...but the aircraft will bring in something. Over than that..great stuff with new scripted campaign steel birds...fuel tanks...what more can you want...well perhaps....good progress on mosquito & a preorder for the snipe or siemens or IAR and sorry to repeat an intent on the Meteor ?and to celebrate Jasons grandfather the B26 That is actually a Christmas shopping list.
C6_Claymore Posted July 10, 2021 Posted July 10, 2021 (edited) 22 hours ago, [F.Circus]MoerasGrizzly said: A new fuel system? Yes by adding drop tank on Bf-109 first and after on all other aircratfs which can carry them (190, P-51 etc...) Edited July 10, 2021 by C6_Claymore 1
Avimimus Posted July 10, 2021 Posted July 10, 2021 (edited) 12 hours ago, LukeFF said: What kill claim? Erich Sommer April 5 1945 claimed an F-5 Lightning while flying an Ar-234B. FliegerAD cites Manfred Griehl (Strahlflugzeug Arado Ar 234 Blitz, Stuttgart 2003, p.110): Edited July 10, 2021 by Avimimus
sevenless Posted July 11, 2021 Posted July 11, 2021 23 hours ago, Avimimus said: Erich Sommer April 5 1945 claimed an F-5 Lightning while flying an Ar-234B. FliegerAD cites Manfred Griehl (Strahlflugzeug Arado Ar 234 Blitz, Stuttgart 2003, p.110): That is contradictory to Nick Beale´s research on Kommando Sommers exploits in Italy 01/45 - 05/45 and his correspondence with Sommer here: Kommando Sommer (page 2) (ghostbombers.com)
Avimimus Posted July 11, 2021 Posted July 11, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, sevenless said: That is contradictory to Nick Beale´s research on Kommando Sommers exploits in Italy 01/45 - 05/45 and his correspondence with Sommer here: Kommando Sommer (page 2) (ghostbombers.com) Interesting - in my reading - it is remarkably consistent actually, even partially corroborating! It would seem likely that Ar-234 were being misidentified as Me-262 (both are twin jets that pilots would have little experience encountering). This is further supported by the presumed lack of Me-262 deployed to the area. Furthermore, an F-5 pilot reported that he thought he was being attacked by the jet on the 5th! So, it would seem to support the idea that the recon P-38/F-5 was attacked by the Arado. The only difference is that the F-5 survived the attack - which is unsurprising given the known phenomenon of overclaiming kills (usually accidental). It is also worth noting that the one victory claimed by a He-162 was also claimed by a Flak battery (and the kill was indeed awarded to the Flak unit). So, they are arguably both still even! Edited July 11, 2021 by Avimimus 1
ITAF_Airone1989 Posted July 11, 2021 Posted July 11, 2021 39 minutes ago, Avimimus said: It would seem likely that Ar-234 were being misidentified as Me-262. It's possible, but in that area there was also some real Me-262 doing some test.
Avimimus Posted July 11, 2021 Posted July 11, 2021 (edited) 26 minutes ago, ITAF_Airone1989 said: It's possible, but in that area there was also some real Me-262 doing some test. Oh, interesting! I thought Erprobungskommando 262 was stationed over 500 kilometres away? Wouldn't a round trip to Lake Comacchio exceed its operational range? I think that is the only candidate? Please feel free to correct me though! I have a thirst for information Edited July 11, 2021 by Avimimus
ITAF_Airone1989 Posted July 11, 2021 Posted July 11, 2021 23 minutes ago, Avimimus said: Oh, interesting! I thought Erprobungskommando 262 was stationed over 500 kilometres away? Wouldn't a round trip to Lake Comacchio exceed its operational range? I think that is the only candidate? Please feel free to correct me though! I have a thirst for information I have a book about an Italian pilot that was in the North East area and saw a 262, but I'm not sure where exactly. I will check
Avimimus Posted July 11, 2021 Posted July 11, 2021 26 minutes ago, ITAF_Airone1989 said: I have a book about an Italian pilot that was in the North East area and saw a 262, but I'm not sure where exactly. I will check Thanks. If you can find the location of the sighting - it would be interesting - as would any information to confirm it wasn't a misidentified Ar-234!
sevenless Posted July 11, 2021 Posted July 11, 2021 1 hour ago, ITAF_Airone1989 said: It's possible, but in that area there was also some real Me-262 doing some test. Recce jet squadrons, as Kommando Sommer, were flying one digit numbers of 262s for two reasons: 1) Training 262 twoseaters and 2) Cooperation with recce units equipped with recce 262s. The usual plane of Kommando Sommer was however the B1 variant of the Arado. One third possibility would be, that a C3 variant somehow was showing up in italy. Who knows?
ITAF_Airone1989 Posted July 11, 2021 Posted July 11, 2021 @Avimimus @sevenless Short translation: CPT. Drago asked me to cover a Me262 over Osoppo (26 km north of Udine) during some test. I didn't saw him taking off or landing, but I saw it flying and I was surprised by his speed 2
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