Channel Map Available?

[Sheriff88]

Is the Channel Map available now in Battle of Normandy Early access?

[BladeMeister]

No

[Sheriff88]

Thanks for your very quick response, Blade Meister.

[76IAP-Black]

The Map will be ready as one of the latest development part of BON. 

[ROCKET_KNUT]

34 minutes ago, Sheriff88 said:

Is the Channel Map available now in Battle of Normandy Early access?

I guess the bang this very DD will make, when it finally drops, will be heard on both sides of the Channel. ?

I´d even go as far as to think, it will cause some reaction on the whole continent and across the pond as well. 

The seismic waves might even reach Ozztralia? ?

[BladeMeister]

42 minutes ago, Sheriff88 said:

Thanks for your very quick response, Blade Meister.

NP.

[Avimimus]

2 hours ago, 76IAP-Black said:

The Map will be ready as one of the latest development part of BON. 

 

Yes, that is my suspicion too... they'll be under quite a bit of pressure to model French and English cities quite differently, get bocage right, and model the beaches in detail (not to mention Dieppe ...at least if I have my way).

 

Plus the availability of detailed maps of the English coastline tends to push the pressure for accuracy up (if anyone gets a chance - the mile to 25 inch Ordnance Land Survey maps are pretty fascinating... down to the footpaths).

 

So, it'll make sense for them to release it last...

 

 

2 hours ago, Sheriff88 said:

Is the Channel Map available now in Battle of Normandy Early access?

 

Of course, there is the Rise of Flight Channel Map... but we won't see that unless there is an FCIV!

Edited June 13, 2021 by Avimimus

[76IAP-Black]

Hope the BON Map will improve in comparison to the Rheinlandmap

The last Rheinland Map doesn't fit into this game, there is so much missing, the whole Ruhrebiet for example ... There is no diversity, whole towns are missing, and you can't even navgate by following railsways or Autobahn, wait .. there is no Autobahn on the map .. 

Isn't Ugra Media responsible for the map?
People reported floating buildings, bad distance or destroyed LOD's of buildings, missing structures over the las year and nothing was corrected or fixed.
It is a bit frustrating   

Edited June 14, 2021 by 76IAP-Black

[Gr3y]

@76IAP-Black

 

Unfortunately have to agree, on Rheinland Map you can even find hardly usable airfields, entire runway covered in tall grass, uneven to the point Ai is doing spins while taxing etc. (one is even used in scripted missions, example: Köln-Butzweilerhof). I reall hope that Normandy will be of better quality, so don't mind if we get it as the last part of BoN.

[Dakpilot]

1 hour ago, TrueGrey said:

@76IAP-Black

 

Unfortunately have to agree, on Rheinland Map you can even find hardly usable airfields, entire runway covered in tall grass, uneven to the point Ai is doing spins while taxing etc. (one is even used in scripted missions, example: Köln-Butzweilerhof). I reall hope that Normandy will be of better quality, so don't mind if we get it as the last part of BoN.

 

Maybe a bug report would be in order

 

Cheers, Dakpilot 

[Gr3y]

29 minutes ago, Dakpilot said:

 

Maybe a bug report would be in order

 

Done.

[Panzerlang]

Budget vs map quality I guess.

Edited June 14, 2021 by Hetzer-JG51

[ww2fighter20]

From what I can remember the same people that made the tank crew map also made the Rheinland map and since Bodenplatte and Tank Crew were developed in the same timeperiod there was less time available on the Rheinland map.

[BlitzPig_EL]

You also have to take into consideration the size of the map.  If Rhineland was modeled with actual 1940's population density, as many who actually live in the area demand, a lot of us couldn't run it with satisfying amounts of air and ground units, human and AI.  It is without question the most difficult map to host in the sim.

[Avimimus]

16 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

You also have to take into consideration the size of the map.  If Rhineland was modeled with actual 1940's population density, as many who actually live in the area demand, a lot of us couldn't run it with satisfying amounts of air and ground units, human and AI.  It is without question the most difficult map to host in the sim.

Yes, some of us can barely run it now!  They've added rail junctions and I'm hoping for some canal traffic (and maybe some improvements to the road system (e.g. paving within cities, and a few multi-lane roads) and some minor fixes but it is a huge change in population density from Stalingrad... and having separate system requirements for each map probably would lead to a lot of people buying Rhineland without realising that they couldn't actually run it. This has happened in other sims.

 

On the whole it is better than what I grew up with... I'd boot up every flight simulator that promised the ability to fly around the world (i.e. MSFS competitors) and load up the capital of Canada to find that all of the rivers were just a series of disconnected lakes and the city had nothing like its real layout... they didn't bother to detail any cities or rivers north of American border... just auto-generated a few buildings. Regardless of how people may feel, we're quite a bit better off these days.

[Juri_JS]

I'm optimistic the quality of the Normandy map will be better than the Rhineland map. This time we will have the direct comparison with the DCS Normandy and Channel maps. I am sure the devs know that they will have to release something equal or better if they want to stay ahead of their main competitor.

[Gambit21]

1 hour ago, Juri_JS said:

I'm optimistic the quality of the Normandy map will be better than the Rhineland map. 

 

^

 

Hope so.

Pretty sure we’ll be happy with it.

I’ll just leave it at that.

[AndyJWest]

9 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

 

^

 

Hope so.

Pretty sure we’ll be happy with it.

 

Pretty sure someone will find something to complain about...

[Gambit21]

Just now, AndyJWest said:

 

Pretty sure someone will find something to complain about...

 

No doubt.

However I think lessons were learned, and this time those complaining will be limited to nit-pickers going on about this or that landmark or village missing.

 

By that I mean less significant village of course.

[BladeMeister]

Well I am already pissed that 1C won't be including a full scale D Day invasion Campaign. I mean, what's the point if we don't get a full scale Air, Naval and Troop invasion recreation In BON?

 

S!Blade<><

[Avimimus]

44 minutes ago, BladeMeister said:

Well I am already pissed that 1C won't be including a full scale D Day invasion Campaign. I mean, what's the point if we don't get a full scale Air, Naval and Troop invasion recreation In BON?

 

S!Blade<><

 

This is sarcasm right?

 

If not... this is the reason why I thought it'd be wise of them to not actually depict D-Day itself... just have your pilot get food poisoning for a couple of days. That would allow them to focus on assets useful for the campaign after the landing... I probably wouldn't have modelled any of the landing craft at all. The fact is that they simply can't model >6900 ships. Operation Jubilee at Dieppe they could almost do - but certainly not the largest landings in human history.

 

Also - for anyone feeling disappointed: You do know that the landings themselves were only a battleground for one day? After that they merely acted as a way to drop off supplies until a deep-water port was captured. It seems silly to dismiss depicting a two and a half month long battle because a single iconic day of fighting can't be modelled properly. Less than 5% of the Allied casualties during the Normandy campaign happened during the landings themselves... It galls me that the need for iconic scenes in media leads to the impression that the fates of 95% of Allied casualties aren't worth depicting.

Edited June 14, 2021 by Avimimus

[PatrickAWlson]

1 hour ago, Gambit21 said:

 

No doubt.

However I think lessons were learned, and this time those complaining will be limited to nit-pickers going on about this or that landmark or village missing.

 

By that I mean less significant village of course.

 

Not 100% sure, but I would think the coast of France has a lot fewer and relatively smaller population centers than the Rhineland map.  

Just now, Avimimus said:

 

This is sarcasm right?

 

If not... this is the reason why I thought it'd be wise of them to not actually depict D-Day itself... just have your pilot get food poisoning for a couple of days. That would allow them to focus on assets useful for the campaign after the landing... I probably wouldn't have modelled any of the landing craft at all. The fact is that they simply can't model >6900 ships. Operation Jubilee at Dieppe they could almost do - but certainly not the largest landings in human history.

 

Also - for anyone feeling disappointed: You do know that the landings themselves were only a battleground for one day? After that they merely acted as a way to drop off supplies until a deep-water port was captured. It seems silly to dismiss depicting a two and a half month long battle because a single iconic day of fighting can't be modelled properly. Less than 5% of the Allied casualties during the Normandy campaign happened during the landings themselves... I suppose the fates of 95% of Allied casualties aren't worth depicting?

 

I think @BladeMeister was being facetious.  There will be a D-Day landing in PWCG.  It might be 10 landing craft and 3 destroyers, but it will happen  

[Avimimus]

3 minutes ago, PatrickAWlson said:

 

Not 100% sure, but I would think the coast of France has a lot fewer and relatively smaller population centers than the Rhineland map.  

 

I think @BladeMeister was being facetious.  There will be a D-Day landing in PWCG.  It might be 10 landing craft and 3 destroyers, but it will happen  

 

Any chance of Dieppe in 1942? ...also, want any help researching it?

 

P.S. Apologies if I wasn't in the best of moods today.

Edited June 14, 2021 by Avimimus

[PatrickAWlson]

26 minutes ago, Avimimus said:

 

Any chance of Dieppe in 1942? ...also, want any help researching it?

 

P.S. Apologies if I wasn't in the best of moods today.

 

Definitely.  No need for research as that too will be 10 landing craft and 3 destroyers.   

 

Somewhat more serious: my historic events are not intended to be perfect recreations.  Just something representative to put the player in the right frame of mind.  The bright side is that the generated mission is a little different every time, but it does come at the cost of strict accuracy.

[BladeMeister]

"This is sarcasm right?"

 

This is sarcasm, Avimimus. Sorry I couldn't resist, I just have to stir the pot now and again and see if a stink arises.

 

S!Blade<><

[Jade_Monkey]

19 hours ago, 76IAP-Black said:

Isn't Ugra Media responsible for the map?

 

I'm pretty sure they are not involved in the map making, that would be the Normandy and Channel maps for "a different sim".

In the past Ugra media contributed to FC1 planes, U2VS, and maybe buildings for moskow map, but I believe the IL2 maps are being built in-house.

 

I do hope for some more detail in this map, both at the macro and micro level. The competition is delivering some interesting and good looking maps and it really adds to immersion. The English side of the channel map for the other sim is looking really nice (the French side looks a lot more generic).

 

Based on the more detailed approach of the IL2 Velikie Luki Summer map, I am optimistic though.