Roadmap for FCII?

[Voidhunger]

Hi,

 

is there a roadmap for FCII planes? I suppose that Gotha and Handley will be last.

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

it is somewhere, I saw it, keep searching and look for J posts,  

[Wolfpack345]

23 minutes ago, 1PL-Husar-1Esk said:

it is somewhere, I saw it, keep searching and look for J posts,  

It was in the 2020 year in review post. Here was the original release order. I edited out all the WW2 aircraft in the line up.

Fokker D.VIII
Spad 7 150hp
Nieuport 28.C1
Spad 7 180hp
Pfalz D.XII
Sopwith Triplane
Breguet 14.B2
DFW C.V.
Airco DH.4
Handley Page 0-400
Gotha G.V

 

[J2_Bidu]

Whatever my plane preferences are, the coming of big bombers will be a total game changer.

[Dutch2]

39 minutes ago, J2_Bidu said:

Whatever my plane preferences are, the coming of big bombers will be a total game changer.

 

You can compaire that to RoF, and was that a game changer? 

[J2_Bidu]

1 hour ago, Dutch2 said:

 

You can compaire that to RoF, and was that a game changer? 

 

I can't confirm that. When I arrived, they were already there. But I know the gameplay in ROF was different on those maps where people flew big bombers. Big high flying bombers brings high altitude bombing, which means targets must be defended high. And that is a game changer.

[1PL-Husar-1Esk]

I foresee more  high AI bombers than players. Nothing will change this game beside better DM. ???

[J2_Trupobaw]

Tell that to Loppnow and his crew :).

I expect to again see manned Gothas bombing targets around Bruay :D. I also expect the Bertrugerstaffel to use it as three-man gunship with hilarious results.

[J2_Bidu]

The fact that some people insisted on flying Gothas on the deck and hunt down unfortunate Pups just over the trees is statistically irrelevant. Hear that, J30? IRRELEVANT!!!

[BladeMeister]

2 hours ago, J2_Bidu said:

The fact that some people insisted on flying Gothas on the deck and hunt down unfortunate Pups just over the trees is statistically irrelevant. Hear that, J30? IRRELEVANT!!!

But it sure was fun. I flew with J30 a few times in ROF and those boys could fly the Gotha. We were fighting 2 SE5s one night and did a complete loop, me in front gunner position, and proceeded to down both scouts while being shot up all to hell and back before ripping our wings off and lawn darting, me first of course. We laughed so hard. Irrelevant, sure, but it was a load of fun. LMAO!

 

S!Blade<><

[J2_Bidu]

33 minutes ago, BladeMeister said:

Irrelevant, sure, but it was a load of fun. LMAO!

 

It was me, in the Pup... ?

[Voidhunger]

I cant wait for the Pfalz! Finger crossed for the au engine included

[US103_Baer]

Don't mention J30 Gothas! 

Still have nightmares. 

 

Maybe with the lower dispersion of FC we'll get higher concentration of fire at longer ranges, so have a better chance knocking out an engine safely. 

 

For a reminder of the challenge, here's a couple of RoF streams

1. Reims map that had nearly continuous fights against multiple J30 Gothas and D7 and 8s. By this time tactics had improved a bit, but it wasn't easy as they threw them round and chased like fighters. Of course our wings didn't just fall off then either.

2. Spad VII 180s vs J30 Gunships. Doesnt usually end well. In one scrap we got help from an HP400, which was then attacked by a 2nd Gotha!

 

Videos should start at relevant points. Fights are timestamped in descriptions.

 

 

 

Edited August 28, 2021 by US28_Baer

[J30-Reinamann]

Hello BladeMeister

 

Good to see you again. And yes, those were fun flights in the Gotha’s. You can gun for us anytime.

We thought the aggressive gunship tactics were a good change-up from the standard single engine fights.

 

In the hands of a seasoned pilot the Gotha can become a formidable opponent.  And with good gunners it can be down-right deadly as Baer mentioned in his film.

It was good to see J30 from the opponents / 3PG point of view. Nice videos, Baer.

 

But with the current FC problems being as they are, along with the very restrictive elevation limitations of the gun turret, the Gotha may just become a practice target drone and not a combat aircraft.

 

S!

Reinamann

[Davesax1965]

Hopefully the AI for the Gotha will be better than in RoF, where, if you were dogfighting a Gotha, it behaved like a fighter, went into a dive and ripped its' wings off. 

The bug never got fixed. 

[No.23_Triggers]

Can't say I'm looking forwards to the big planes reappearing...but that's more because of the historical aspect. The big bombers were seldom seen over the front, usually appearing at night and heading to some city or another. I think they'd be great for events, but not so much for non-event frontline action...the low-flying gothas bombing random targets always bugged me in RoF, but stuff like the channel map events with Gotha formations heading to England were always really cool.

...also I don't want to deal with J30 gothas again!

Edited August 27, 2021 by US93_Larner

[NO.20_Krispy_Duck]

I see why the big planes are added, and they're great in certain contexts. But I think time and effort is better spent on bringing in even more 2-seater types because those are what you'd commonly see on a day-to-day basis over the front. The various 2-seaters were the workhorses of the air war. But it's true the big planes help sell the game to a wider audience.

Edited August 27, 2021 by NO.20_Krispy_Duck

[J2_Trupobaw]

2 hours ago, US93_Larner said:

Can't say I'm looking forwards to the big planes reappearing...but that's more because of the historical aspect. The big bombers were seldom seen over the front, usually appearing at night and heading to some city or another. I think they'd be great for events, but not so much for non-event frontline action...the low-flying gothas bombing random targets always bugged me in RoF, but stuff like the channel map events with Gotha formations heading to England were always really cool.

...also I don't want to deal with J30 gothas again!

Fingers crossed...

 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hjjDpH3za30

[Avimimus]

3 hours ago, US93_Larner said:

Can't say I'm looking forwards to the big planes reappearing...but that's more because of the historical aspect. The big bombers were seldom seen over the front, usually appearing at night and heading to some city or another. I think they'd be great for events, but not so much for non-event frontline action...the low-flying gothas bombing random targets always bugged me in RoF, but stuff like the channel map events with Gotha formations heading to England were always really cool.

...also I don't want to deal with J30 gothas again!

 

Weren't AEG bombers used closer to the front lines? Friedrichshafens and Gothas were the long range designs, optimised for attacking targets behind the lines. The AEG G.IV in contrast was faster (165 km/h - similar to the Albatross D.II and only 5 km/h slower than the Nieuport N.17!) and more nimble, but only carried a 400kg bomb load. They even developed an armoured Sturmovik version (although only 5 were produced).

[=IRFC=Gascan]

I get the feeling that having machine guns down low, especially over the front and near bombing targets will help reduce the chances of a big twin-engine dropping down to the deck since they are likely to get shot up either when crossing the lines or when nearing the target. I remember they tended to attract a lot of attention if they stayed up at altitude, and really needed either a low server population or a decent escort to get through.

[ST_Catchov]

5 hours ago, NO.20_Krispy_Duck said:

I see why the big planes are added, and they're great in certain contexts. But I think time and effort is better spent on bringing in even more 2-seater types because those are what you'd commonly see on a day-to-day basis over the front. The various 2-seaters were the workhorses of the air war. But it's true the big planes help sell the game to a wider audience.

 

All good points.

 

I'd like to see an improved no mans land.

[RNAS10_Oliver]

2 hours ago, gascan said:

I get the feeling that having machine guns down low, especially over the front and near bombing targets will help reduce the chances of a big twin-engine dropping down to the deck since they are likely to get shot up either when crossing the lines or when nearing the target. I remember they tended to attract a lot of attention if they stayed up at altitude, and really needed either a low server population or a decent escort to get through.

Yeh think that aspect of the missions on Flugpark should push them higher.

 

Though I’ve been trying to use the DH4 for level bombing and does not seem that effective method atm for Flugpark targets, safer maybe but not effective compared to ground attack methods. Number of times so far I’ve also declared I’m going for level bombing on an objective just to have those objectives get wiped out by ground attackers on the deck as I’m on my bomb run also.

 

So to further encourage these bombers to be used at height on level bombing runs I think the Flugpark missions could benefit with some more possible front-line and back-line objectives that are level bomber friendly and ground attack unfriendly. So with more machine guns covering them and also being larger area targets packed with objects (airfields and factories being good examples) where any of those objects count towards the (proportionally low) number needed for objective success.

Edited August 27, 2021 by RNAS10_Oliver

[US103_Baer]

Not really too worried about the heavy bomber height thing at this point. 

The low heavies were dangerous, but down there every man and his dog could swarm them and his chances of survival were low.

 

The RoF targets that required a big bomb load to destroy could quite effectively be done by a single player at altitude. To me it was great fun using clouds for cover, making a successful bomb run and trying to avoid the inevitable defender who's now desperately searching for you. 

The FC cloud layers could make this even more interesting. 

[Zooropa_Fly]

I would hope that when they arrive, Flug will add targets to their maps that are big enough to make it worthwhile flying the big boys.

Seems like overkill taking one to bomb the artillery (again).

 

S!

[NO.20_W_M_Thomson]

Some of the best fun I ever had was HP vs Gotha. Both crewed with human gunners. Doing a bombing run in the HP then on the way back you cross path's with a Gotha and get in to it.

[PatrickAWlson]

I am going to use Gothas and HPs in an ahistorical fashion.  They will do relatively short range level bombing missions.  Not frontline stuff but airfields and whatever else is available behind the lines.  Always escorted.  

 

This usage is not entirely ahistorical.  It is just ahistorical for these planes.  The British and French ran these sorts of missions with Breguets, Caudrons,  and DH4s among others.  The Germans never really had the numbers so they mostly stuck to night raids for any kind of penetration of Allied lines.  

 

In PWCG it can work as long as people are willing to accept a but of fantasy.  The Allies do not have the numbers that they did in reality.  The planes could be used in this fashion but the fact is their losses would have been too high, and these were seriously expensive machines.

 

Shrug ... use the tools in the tool box.

[Zooropa_Fly]

It's all fantasy, so no worries !

 

S!

[ST_Catchov]

1 hour ago, Zooropa_Fly said:

It's all fantasy, so no worries !

 

S!

 

Someone always brings the DM into it. Every time! 

[greywulf]

Bought it! Awaiting any updates ?

[ST_Catchov]

36 minutes ago, greywulf said:

Bought it!

 

Capital ! Now we just gotta convince @Cynic_Al. I reckon he'll get it for sure. How could someone of his stature, experience and respect amongst the community not do so. He's just playing with us.

[greywulf]

Thanks to Pat Wilson's Campaign generator a real game changer.