The IL-2 Speed and Altitude Record Book

[[DBS]Browning]

14 minutes ago, Salzi said:

Question about "landing" if I say fell out of the sky (lost everything and was flat spinning) and ditched into water and lived I take it that doesn't count?

 

2 hours ago, WheelwrightPL said:

What qualifies as "successful landing" ? If your plane ends-up in pieces between trees, but the pilot is still alive, does it count  ?

My opinion is that the plane should be in one piece except for control surfaces, canopy and gear.

 

Any landing you can walk (not swim) away from is fine.

I chose this criteria to keep it as simple as possible.

Edited March 2, 2021 by [DBS]Browning

[Salzi]

16 minutes ago, [DBS]Browning said:

 

 

Any landing you can walk (not swim) away from is fine.

I chose this criteria to keep it as simple as possible.

 Don't crash in lakes, got it! Thanks ^^

[Salzi]

Plane: I-16
Challenge: Speed
Starting Alt: 7500
Speed hit: 671KMh

 

I'm lucky I had Nividia's Instant replay on for the video... I took a break and turned OBS off, close one.
If you need anything feel free to yell at me, I'll be doing more of these hopefully!

Edited March 2, 2021 by Salzi

[Salzi]

Plane: He111 H-16
Challenge: Speed
Starting Alt: 7500
Speed hit: 714KMh

I got lucky, was the only time I actually beat the speed and the lotto ticket of the hard landing at around 270kmh and not exploding into confetti.
I have the video if ever needed.

[Monksilver]

Hurricane , height 10,130, 

speed 730

 

He111-H16 speed 780 - sorry @Salzi 

As it comes out of the dive the nose naturally pitches up, by applying full throttle I managed to complete the loop, a loop in a He111!

 

 

 

 

[Salzi]

@Monksilver Whooped me hands down on that one fast, I only hit around 720 tops but I never came out of the loop without becoming a lawn dart haha well played.

[Monksilver]

1 hour ago, Salzi said:

@Monksilver Whooped me hands down on that one fast, I only hit around 720 tops but I never came out of the loop without becoming a lawn dart haha well played.

 

I recommend full fuel, the 2 large bombs and start at 6000, do an inverted dive (so on your back) and use the stick to stay in it. Throttle back all the way to save the engines until you are out of the dive. Once all your controls rip off you will come out of the dive - your chances of not hitting the deck depend on getting the dive angle right. Play around with the dive angle and whether to start pulling out while you still have controls to find what works. Ditch the bombs to help you manage the pull out. After that it is a case of throttle up to get the nose up and back to get it down and so control the angle you hit the deck, and also if you go over trees etc, also throttling up pulls the plane to the right via engine torque. Full flaps to stop speed getting too high but deploy when speed is low to avoid jamming them before fully deployed. Dropping the undercarriage can stabilise the plane and slow it down.

[Monksilver]

@[DBS]Browning  I'm getting better with the He111-H6 - 853kmh - so a dead heat - the Forum automatically merged my last post with this one so see below, I've now got it to 861kmh

 

I've also chanced my arm (and legs, head, torso) in the 2VS - being in that with no control surfaces is utterly horrible, like being in a roller coaster designed by a psychopath  - 280kmh

 

 

@[DBS]Browning Sorry, couldn't resist the temptation to have another go.

 

He111-H6 - 861kmh

 

Edited March 2, 2021 by Monksilver

[II/JG17_HerrMurf]

You got a U2Vs to 151 knots? That is a crackup/ROFL

[WheelwrightPL]

MIG-3 800kph with perfectly safe landing (slow, no overturning).

Replay attached.

MIG-3_800kph.zip

[CUJO_1970]

109F2 Altitude: 10,683m (35,040 ft)

 

[[DBS]Browning]

All added!

Congrats on the H6 Monksilver! Any tips?

[Monksilver]

5 minutes ago, [DBS]Browning said:

All added!

Congrats on the H6 Monksilver! Any tips?

First thing is be prepared for lots of attempts. Like you, full fuel and the 2 large bombs. I start at 6,000 feet. I immediately close all radiators down to reduce drag. Roll the plane on to her back - checking I am level. At same time I trim elevator to push nose down to the max (so away from deck) to allow me to better maintain the dive I want. I then aim my dive angle, I can't say what angle I take for certain but about 30- 45 degrees, inverted of course. All of this is because once I lose the control surfaces the speed will start to automatically pull the nose up and so take it out of the dive, my angle means that after the loss of elevator I have a longer time in the dive and so still building up speed. A vertical dive means you come out of it sooner and so don't build as much speed up. I also have engines at full throttle at the start of the dive to aid the initial acceleration but reduce throttle and rpm to minimum after few seconds as I don't want to wreck the engines as I need those to land.

 

Ditching the bombs at the end of dive, I used to in order to increase my chances of getting out of the dive but sometimes the blast causes fatal damage if I time it wrong, now I wait until I am on the post dive up swing. Be ready for the loop which is great to see in such a large plane, as the speed dies right back put out the flaps fully as you go over the top, as it levels and speed starts to build drop the landing gear for stability and drag, also open radiators to save the engines. Then throttle control to avoid too steep a descent.

 

I get the impression there isn't much kph left in the He111-H6

 

I did the He111-H16 a few times again and got it to 819 kph but struggling so far to go faster and not hit the deck.

 

I also tried the A20 afterwards - its wings aren't built for coming out of dives and rip off so that will need a different approach.

 

I would add that a lot of fighter landings I post are ditches as I don't want to spend time looking for an airstrip because I want to get back to the next attempt asap.

 

 

 

[CUJO_1970]

1 hour ago, [DBS]Browning said:

All added!

Congrats on the H6 Monksilver! Any tips?

Hi, you recorded my record alt for 109F2 under the 110E2 - will be doing 110E2 shortly ?

[[DBS]Browning]

1 hour ago, CUJO_1970 said:

Hi, you recorded my record alt for 109F2 under the 110E2 - will be doing 110E2 shortly ?

Thankyou. Will fix in a few hours. 

[Salzi]

2 hours ago, [DBS]Browning said:

Thankyou. Will fix in a few hours. 

Sorry to bother you but you also put my Speed in the I-16 as 617 not 671. 

[Fabioccio]

Mc202

took off w/o ammo and 200l of fuel

touched 11119m before giving up due to fuel warning and being bored

(sorry can't replay the Instrument overlay in track record, had to take screenshot live)

 

Entered dive at 0% throttle and manual prop pitch at 100% (lowest rpm possible) reached 500kmh started increasing thrust... too late.

Could only achieve 800/810 kmh before pulling up with trim wheel. Again I have no proof because track replay only shows cockpit indicator, not overlay, and the top scale is 700kmh.

Landed as usual, the plane and the engine were ok. The pilot was somewhat tired and feeling hot.

 

Now he's resting after eaten a well deserved plate of spaghetti alla carbonara.

Maybe he'll try again tomorrow.

S!

 

Edited March 3, 2021 by Fabioccio

[oc2209]

Two records today.

 

Spitfire IX, 822.37 KPH:

 

 

Screen size edited for booby pic reasons. *ahem*

 

 

Once again, ground looping has nothing to do with damage incurred on the speed run. Just how I land a Spit.

 

Second entry:

 

Yak-9T, 811.11 KPH:

 

 

Again, edited for booby reasons.

 

I'm really proud of this landing:

 

 

I was in a mountainous area, so no easy landing options. I had no rudder or ailerons, but did somehow keep my elevators. Circled aimlessly several times before lowering throttle, levelling out, and dropping flaps. I was approaching the ridgeline of a mountain, and decided to hit the trees on the ridge rather than go over the edge and probably crash nose down much more fatally.

[CUJO_1970]

110E Altitude: 9529m (31,255 ft)

 

 

109F-4 Altitude 11,780m (38,638 ft)

 

[Fabioccio]

This time airstart at 10 km, 80l of fuel. With boost enabled reached 11254 m (took the screenshot too late ?).

Then turned towards airbase and start to dive at full throttle with boost enabled and prop-pitch at 100%.

Took various screenshots at over 820 kmh while fighting with the trim wheel to get a bit more speed. The best recorded is 825 kmh.

Finally pull-up not too near the ground without cutting throttle (and boost) and the engine died instantly ?

Managed to glide to the airbase and landed just a few meters before the strip, ended on it.

That's all for now.

S!

[[DBS]Browning]

Record book updated! Congrtats.

[oc2209]

Okay, as a preface to this, I'm pretty bored today. So that explains the volume of attempts. Sort of.

 

I don't do these very scientifically, so I'm sure most can be beaten with a little effort. I think of them as good baselines for others to shoot for. Anyway, I decided to copy-paste from the OP's list to make this easier to read:

 

 

Il-2 model of 1941

 

Speed record: 373 MPH, 600.2853 KPH. The attempt cost me both ailerons, so I imagine even a few MPH faster would've been fatal:

 

 

 

 

Pe-2 series 87

 

Speed record: 504 MPH, 811.1094 KPH.

 

 

The margin I had to pull up with (I lost one aileron and one rudder as well):

 

 

 

 

P-39L-1

 

Speed record: 547 MPH, 880.3112 KPH. Lost one aileron.

 

 

 

 

La-5FN series 2

 

Speed record: 465 MPH, 748.345 KPH. The La-5 does not enjoy diving, and wants to fatally detach all its controls surfaces circa ~470 MPH. I lost one aileron in this attempt.

 

[oc2209]

I'm not going to bother making this official, since at 561 MPH, it's a few KPH under the current record. But it was fun landing after the attempt:

 

 

109 F-4. I had only one elevator left of all my controls. I veered out to sea after recovering from the dive, was slipping to the left, went inverted, dived almost to wave-level, pulled up facing the land again, veered to the right, temporarily levelled the plane by increasing/decreasing throttle, dropped flaps, hit a hill just above the beach in a lazy right-hand bank at about 160 MPH. Went over the hill and stopped as you can see. I was lucky to not tumble when I hit the ground initially.

 

It was probably my most fun attempt of all so far.

 

In other news, I got the 190D to 546 MPH, or 878.7 KPH. Lost an aileron. The sloppy landing was totally avoidable:

 

 

Disappointed I can't get more out of the airframe. The 109K can hit 560 MPH+ without losing a surface. Speaking of which...

 

Can anyone explain to me why I can't safely get the Spitfire IX above 500 MPH? Or why its safe diving speed in the game is limited to 725 KPH, while the 109's is 850?

 

I always thought the Spitfire was capable of outdiving the 109 from a structural strength perspective. This is a caption from a photo on the Spitfire's Wikipedia page:

 

"The Spitfire Mk XI flown by Sqn. Ldr. Martindale, seen here after its flight on 27 April 1944 during which it was damaged achieving a true airspeed of 620 mph (998 km/h or Mach 0.92)"

 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the XI effectively an IX, structurally?

Edited March 10, 2021 by oc2209

[ROCKET_KNUT]

Oh look, A-20 closer to 11k:

 

And I claim a speed record for the fastest two engined glider as well.  ?

 

Will there be any bonus points for the longest skid marks caused by a landing with the parking brake applied? ?

 

 

 

[Stoopy]

I acheived a speed of 721 Kph in the Ju-87 D-3 Stuka.  Took the ol' gal up to 7000 meters and nosed her over, most but not all flight surfaces depart just prior to that speed and despite the mess I'm proud of this survivable landing which was achieved in a strong right bank with only elevator and throttle control.   There's definitely something to be said about that frangible landing gear.

 

[AndytotheD]

Does this count? I think I could take it higher.

 

It's a Spitfire Hf.IXe with the Merlin 70, no ammo and 50% fuel. 

Updated to reflect a new attempt: got 12,869m. 

 

Edited March 17, 2021 by AndytotheD

[easterling77]

Fw 190 D9 take of from Bagerovo with full fuel and ammo

 

 

at that time my left aileron went MIA and I thought "survive to tell the story"

 

 

 

..and got back savely

[Angry_Kitten]

got a 109 E7 to hit 620 kph, however bouncing off the ground at that speed dropped me speed down to 370, killed me, but had my plane bounce up to an impressive height of 230 m.

only lost my wings in the explosion.

[[DBS]Browning]

Many records updated!
Congratulations and sorry about the delay.

[Monostripezebra]

I did some WW1 speedtesting..

 

Spad XIII: 365 KpH at the cost of the ailerons

Brisfit FIII: 330 Kph.. can possibly take more, but the engine will break before the plane

 

 

 

[Monostripezebra]

Speedrun in the Albatros D5

Speed 303 Km/h

 

landing was a bit hard.

[[DBS]Browning]

9 minutes ago, Monostripezebra said:

Speedrun in the Albatros D5

Speed 303 Km/h

 

landing was a bit hard.

What was your starting altitude?

 

[Monostripezebra]

1 hour ago, [DBS]Browning said:

What was your starting altitude?

 

6000m

but in the end that does not matter much, it all runs down to not losing the rudder and elevator which seems to go around 305ish, if they can be kept, the stummel-albi is very fun to land.

[CountZero]

I test run new Spitfire XIV and was suprised how long it stayed with all it parts.

Spitfire XIVc, 895kmh top dive speed:

Spoiler

 

 

broke prop landing

 

So then i check 9 and was even more suprised,

Spitfire IXe, 920kmh top dive speed:

(Dont know if somethng changed in latest patch but i belive i was able to get only up to 850 on 9 when i last tested it.)

Spoiler

 

 

Both spawn on Kuban autumn 10km alt, have recording if neccesary, braking apart animations on mk.XIV are better, going close to 900 one time whole vertical tail brake of with one elevator, another time left wing half snaped.

 

EDIT:

Tempest V looks same as before patch, 925kmh dive speed:

Spoiler

 

 

Edited April 22, 2021 by CountZero