Adler_Blau Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 @Jason_Williams Hi! How is going works with reviewing current DM at FC planes, after patch 4005?
hsthhsth Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 Ordered before my brain would even think about it....
BMA_Hellbender Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 We could do with a Siemens-Schuckert D.III and D.IV as brand new collector aircraft. ? 3 1 7
JG1_Vonrd Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, Adler_Blau said: @Jason_Williams Hi! How is going works with reviewing current DM at FC planes, after patch 4005? Jason quote: I am aware some of you are not totally satisfied with the current damage model as it pertains to WWI. We recently overhauled our entire damage model for the engine and making further changes to it for WWI will also affect WWII. This requires some thinking and more study, but at this moment I cannot make further changes to just WWI. I see this as a long-term project to somehow change only WWI damage modeling. Even so, there are mixed opinions on this issue. Just because there are some vocal critics out there, does not make the loudest voice correct. As usual, we would need to study the issue further before any more changes are made. Here: 1 1
Dutch2 Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 1 hour ago, J5_Hellbender said: We could do with a Siemens-Schuckert D.III and D.IV as brand new collector aircraft. ? Lets start first with all the RoF planes then if the game is still profitable then these uberplanes like the Siemens/Snipe.
1CGS LukeFF Posted December 16, 2020 1CGS Posted December 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, Dutch2 said: Lets start first with all the RoF planes then if the game is still profitable then these uberplanes like the Siemens/Snipe. It's already been mentioned officially that new, non-ROF planes are on the way. 3
BMA_Hellbender Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, Dutch2 said: Lets start first with all the RoF planes then if the game is still profitable then these uberplanes like the Siemens/Snipe. Jason said in his Officers Club post (IL-2 General Discussion sticky) that new planes are coming. The Siemens, Snipe and Fokker D.VI were already being considered for development back in RoF, so they seem likely candidates. 1
J2_Oelmann Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 Many many thanks to the team! Well done!
Fritz_X Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 8 minutes ago, J5_Hellbender said: Jason said in his Officers Club post (IL-2 General Discussion sticky) that new planes are coming. The Siemens, Snipe and Fokker D.VI were already being considered for development back in RoF, so they seem likely candidates. Plus all of them would fit quite perfectly into the given time frame of FC1 and FC2. I for myself would also hope for a Rumpler two-seater, which I already dearly missed back in RoF. 1
2/JG26_rudidlo Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 15 hours ago, 40plus said: Not an important enough feature to bother complaining about I'm not complaining. Just mentioning that this feature is not balanced across the coalitions. 15 hours ago, 40plus said: Has been explicitly stated several times...ain't going to happen, not on the radar, don't hold your breath It's sad. Germans has Me 262 they were using against big bomber formations which is unrealizable in this game.
SYN_Ricky Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 6 minutes ago, 1stCL/rudidlo said: I'm not complaining. Just mentioning that this feature is not balanced across the coalitions. It's sad. Germans has Me 262 they were using against big bomber formations which is unrealizable in this game. Lots of Me-262 were also used as fast bombers and tactical reconnaissance, especially in the time frame of BOBP module. 1
Dutch2 Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 (edited) 28 minutes ago, J5_Hellbender said: Jason said in his Officers Club post (IL-2 General Discussion sticky) that new planes are coming. The Siemens, Snipe and Fokker D.VI were already being considered for development back in RoF, so they seem likely candidates. The snipe or Siemens were already been modeled by Grenedich ( sorry guess wrong spelling) in 2008, so yeah who knows. And the Fokker D6 would be an a very economic decision as it does the combination D7/Dr1. The same is counting for the Pfalz D12 that originally in RoF did had the Mercedes engine and now the BMW. But it would be economical wise if 1C swapped all the RoF planes, including the not popular ones, first to FC. WW1 is a tiny niche within the small CFS niche and we all know from Jason that the whole WW1 cfs is not that profitable. Do not get me wrong as extra nonRoF planes even it is one from the British Be series are always welcome, but economically wise, thats a decision for 1C. Edited December 16, 2020 by Dutch2
US103_Baer Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 (edited) Announcement is great news! The scale of it was a pleasant surprise, with including FC3, a large map, career mode, possible collector planes and scripted campaigns. Congrats @Jason_Williams and team for being able to make this happen. Doubling down on the 2-seaters is excellent for game-play in SP and MP and bodes well for detailed Photo and Arty Recon simulation mechanics. This would be a unique experience to Flying Circus and really add to its appeal (hint). Slightly surprised there's no Alb DIII, but happy to see that niche planes have been avoided, well, except for the D8 that is, though talk of Zeppelins is worrying. Would they really sustain popularity beyond the first month of novelty and be worth the considerable developer investment? On Collector planes I would've thought a DIIIau engined D7 would be more useful than the SS D.IV of which 60 were made, but i get that new, non-RoF planes would create genuine interest and greater marketability, and if we go down the engine-version road there is our 'cough'200hp'cough' SPAD which needs addressing...and DVa/Pfalz DIIIa DM comments have to be mentioned. @Jason_Williams we believe that there IS a way to modify the DM as it relates to wing damage WITHOUT impacting WW2 and in a manner that aligns more closely to agreed/known aircraft performance. We know this because it's already been done once in the update from 4.05 to 4.06. Will post about it separately. Overall, a great announcement. Edited December 16, 2020 by US103_Baer
veenee Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 (edited) 16 hours ago, JG1_Hotlead_J10 said: Honestly, we have it pretty good. The standard discount for a new preorder is $10. They're giving us $20 off preorders! ? And Vol I is at a steep discount right now too for those who haven't taken the plunge yet. ? You're entitled to your own opinion, of course, but I really believe we are being given a more than generous deal here. I treat it as one game as it is even called vol. I, II, III which suggests these are parts of one project. There is nothing wrong awarding those who made initial part possible in my opinion. They don't think so - fine, I won't lose any sleep over it ? I used to play a lot of RoF and was not impressed that there was no career mode in FC vol.I, the only mode I really played in RoF. Made a mistake of pre-ordering FC back then - my bad. Will wait and see this time around. Edited December 16, 2020 by veenee
BMA_Hellbender Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 36 minutes ago, Dutch2 said: But it would be economical wise if 1C swapped all the RoF planes, including the not popular ones, first to FC. WW1 is a tiny niche within the small CFS niche and we all know from Jason that the whole WW1 cfs is not that profitable. Do not get me wrong as extra nonRoF planes even it is one from the British Be series are always welcome, but economically wise, thats a decision for 1C. Obligatory self-own: it's unlikely that less popular planes like the Hanriot HD.1 will make it in FC3. First, it doesn't make sense to have a Belgian(/Italian) plane without their front and it comes bundled with the Hanriot HD.2 seaplane, but there are no bodies of water on the main RoF map. Porting the HD.1 without the HD.2 makes even less economical sense, their difference being so small. I'd much rather see the Hanriot later with a possible FC4, or added as a collector plane to appease the countless rowdy Belgian fanboys. Ditto for the Brandenburg, Felixstowe and the Russian front machines.
Elem Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 11 hours ago, Diggun said: And now as she will look after 5 minutes with me at the wheel... Hey Diggun. You must have been standing next to me to take that photo! I saw the whole incident and caught it on camera too. 1
J2_Jakob Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 Pre-ordered. ? Minor note: It takes a few more clicks on il2sturmovik.com to actually dig to it. I don't know why all the titles (FC, TC) are not on the same scrolling home-page. I understand only "finished WW2 flightsim" (IL2) titles are displayed here, but why make buying FC/TC a little bit more complicated than the IL2 titles? It's "one app to rule them all" in the end.
Soilworker Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 Pre-ordered. Really glad FC is being continued. But (as I mentioned I the "Coming Soon" thread and as a few people have mentioned here) I really hope the D.XII doesn't get the BMW IIIa engine as it erroneously did in RoF. The only reference to that combination actually being used in action is from Anthony Fokker talking about pilots deliberately crashing their D.XIIs so they could put the BMW engines in D.VIIs, who, if you just look at a few of his statements you quickly realise he was a total bullshit artist. (Seriously, he's your typical sociopathic, scummy business man.)
BMA_Hellbender Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 13 minutes ago, Soilworker said: But (as I mentioned I the "Coming Soon" thread and as a few people have mentioned here) I really hope the D.XII doesn't get the BMW IIIa engine as it erroneously did in RoF. The only reference to that combination actually being used in action is from Anthony Fokker talking about pilots deliberately crashing their D.XIIs so they could put the BMW engines in D.VIIs, who, if you just look at a few of his statements you quickly realise he was a total bullshit artist. (Seriously, he's your typical sociopathic, scummy business man.) The D.XII was originally developed with the Mercedes D.IIIa but the devs found its performance was terrible even compared to the earlier Pfalz D.IIIa and opted for the Pfalz D.XIIf instead. Down the line I hope we'll get to fly it with different engine variants, including the Mercedes D.IIIaü.
Soilworker Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 1 minute ago, J5_Hellbender said: The D.XII was originally developed with the Mercedes D.IIIa but the devs found its performance was terrible even compared to the earlier Pfalz D.IIIa and opted for the Pfalz D.XIIf instead. Down the line I hope we'll get to fly it with different engine variants, including the Mercedes D.IIIaü. That's as maybe but there's no evidence that it was actually used in service during the war.
Russkly Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 Very exciting news. Having recently invested in an Oculus Rift S and discovered the joy that is Il2 in VR, I am really looking forward to experiencing the second iteration of FC in VR. This is probably a dumb question, but if I pre-purchase from the Il2 store, how do I port the game over to Steam, which is where I play from? I did search this forum, but couldn't find an answer. Also, badges from DLC bought via Steam don't seem to show up in my sig here. What do I need to do? R
Zooropa_Fly Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, Dutch2 said: The snipe or Siemens were already been modeled by Grenedich ( sorry guess wrong spelling) in 2008, so yeah who knows. And the Fokker D6 would be an a very economic decision as it does the combination D7/Dr1. The same is counting for the Pfalz D12 that originally in RoF did had the Mercedes engine and now the BMW. But it would be economical wise if 1C swapped all the RoF planes, including the not popular ones, first to FC. WW1 is a tiny niche within the small CFS niche and we all know from Jason that the whole WW1 cfs is not that profitable. Do not get me wrong as extra nonRoF planes even it is one from the British Be series are always welcome, but economically wise, thats a decision for 1C. I think new planes is a good move. Probably half of the complaints thus far have been that FC doesn't offer anything RoF hasn't got so why should I bother ? This might tempt a few more dedicated RoF'ers to finally try this. S! Edited December 16, 2020 by Zooropa_Fly 2
Zoltann Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 Yippeee!!!! Insta-buy. Thats whats customer trust brings... Good luck Jason and team!
BMA_FlyingShark Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 And pre-ordered. Have a nice day. 1
cardboard_killer Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 32 minutes ago, Russkly said: This is probably a dumb question, but if I pre-purchase from the Il2 store, how do I port the game over to Steam, which is where I play from? Also, badges from DLC bought via Steam don't seem to show up in my sig here. What do I need to do? If you have linked your steam account with your IL2 account, then the content should show up when you start the game in steam. As for the other question, there's nothing you can do about that. If you buy from steam, the placard will not show up here. My first purchase was from steam, BoS, but all others have been from IL2.
Diggun Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 2 hours ago, Elem said: You must have been standing next to me to take that photo! Almost certainly! I'm a regular at Old Warden, it's properly amazing. Shame 'Dodge' Bailey didn't manage to dodge that fence post! V glad everyone was ok, and with characteristic sang-froid the show went on - despite pretty miserable weather. And was very glad to see the tripehound back in the air this year! 1
No.23_Triggers Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 17 hours ago, ksetuni said: I've always been a big WW2 era enthusiast, especially the pacific theatre. However I'm seriously considering this and supporting their hard work, even if its an era thats not usually my cup of tea. I'm also going to use it to educate myself more on the era. I would highly recommend it! WW1-Era aviation is an incredibly fascinating topic, you'll be hooked in no time...and there's nothing like a WW1 dogfight. If you're looking at getting into WW1 aviation history, try "Flying Fury" by James McCudden...great introductory memoir which goes all the way through 1914 to 1918! 1
Elem Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Diggun said: Almost certainly! I'm a regular at Old Warden, it's properly amazing. Shame 'Dodge' Bailey didn't manage to dodge that fence post! V glad everyone was ok, and with characteristic sang-froid the show went on - despite pretty miserable weather. And was very glad to see the tripehound back in the air this year! Like wise! SVAS member. I'm just 11 miles from there. Let's hope for a proper flying season in 2021. 2
Russkly Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 35 minutes ago, cardboard_killer said: If you have linked your steam account with your IL2 account, then the content should show up when you start the game in steam. As for the other question, there's nothing you can do about that. If you buy from steam, the placard will not show up here. My first purchase was from steam, BoS, but all others have been from IL2. Thx
No.23_Triggers Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 5 hours ago, J5_Hellbender said: We could do with a Siemens-Schuckert D.III and D.IV as brand new collector aircraft. ? You can chuck in a SPAD XII and a SPAD XVII while you're at it... 1
Elem Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 If we're talking collectors planes, then the "Furniture Van" gets my vote. The IL-2 of WW1. 1 1
Lusekofte Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 Happy to see FC getting love and more planes. I will probably preorder it early next year Thank you
SYN_Vander Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 (edited) 9 hours ago, J5_Hellbender said: We could do with a Siemens-Schuckert D.III and D.IV as brand new collector aircraft. ? And if you would have to choose between the two? I also like this plane. Although totally irrelevant in terms of numbers, it was used as (strategic) bomber interceptor in 1918 because of rotary engine, so no warmup time needed. It's basically a Frankenplane: Fokker DrI with Fokker DVII wings LOL. EDIT: Just noticed you already mentioned the Fokker D.VI Fokker D.VI Edited December 16, 2020 by SYN_Vander
Voidhunger Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 7 hours ago, J5_Hellbender said: Jason said in his Officers Club post (IL-2 General Discussion sticky) that new planes are coming. The Siemens, Snipe and Fokker D.VI were already being considered for development back in RoF, so they seem likely candidates. I remember only he mentioned Snipe, but if the mentioned Siemens Im thrilled! 1 minute ago, SYN_Vander said: And if you would have to choose between the two? DIV of course
Avimimus Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 11 hours ago, JG1_Vonrd said: As for the Ilya Muromets... it gets bashed by most people but I think it's because it's defense was neutered. Give it the option to have ALL of the historical guns (and allow full traverse) - "positions for up to nine machine guns were added for self-defense in various locations, including the extreme tail, German Fighter Pilots often were reluctant to attack Ilya Muromets in the air due to their defensive firepower including the unique tail gun position - ... well, I'd probably Pood my self and buy it ?. As I recall, only one out of 83 built were lost in combat. Wasn't that another version of the Murometz? It'd be a lot of work and expense (assuming reference materials even exist)... but the version with the guy standing on an exposed platform out front with a manually operated cannon would be fun I've tried hunting the Ilya Murometz using the Handley-Page O/400 in Rise of Flight and the 57mm Davis recoilless rifle... and it is fun. The aircraft are slow enough and ungainly enough that you can actually hit them... and when you hit... it is pretty spectacular. I actually had the upper wing of a Murometz separate and be carried by its own lift over the top of my Handley-Page (which flew through the gap between)... Basically I blew a hole large enough in it to fly through. Consider two of these fighting each other... is it historical? Not really. Could it have happen (almost - there was a civil war)... would it be even more fun then a TB-3 vs. TB-3 fight? Yes!: 10 hours ago, LukeFF said: Spad 7s were in frontline service all the way to the end of the war. Yes, so the Sopwith Triplane is the one which is 'out of place'... Not that I'm complaining 1
Talisman Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 Great news Jason. Many thanks. I have pre-ordered. Happy landings, Talisman
Russkly Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 (edited) Out of interest, approx. numbers of a/c built (not necessarily in service or necessarily on the Western Front): So, with FC2 we have good >1917 coverage overall, but both triplanes remain a curiosity. I suppose we always have them despite their relatively small presence/numbers, because they're iconic, esp. the Dr.1. Note: Seems that date formatting got scrambled in the copy/paste. Type Service Date Number Built Left Service Avro 504 Jul-13 8,340 N/A Airco DH4 Mar-17 6,295 N/A Sopwith 1½ Strutter Apr-16 6,000 Late 1917 Sopwith Camel May-17 5,734 N/A Royal Aircraft Factory S.E.5 and S.E.5a Jun-17 5,205 N/A Royal Aircraft Factory R.E.8 Oct-16 4,099 N/A Royal Aircraft Factory B.E.2c 1914 3,500 N/A Bristol F2b Fighter Apr-17 3,101 N/A Airco DH9a Aug-18 2,500 N/A Sopwith Pup Oct-16 1,770 N/A Sopwith Dolphin 1918 1,532 N/A Sopwith Snipe 1918 1,500 N/A Armstrong-Whitworth F.K.8 1917 1,200 N/A Airco DH5 May-17 552 Late 17 Handley Page O/400 Apr-17 550 N/A Airco DH2 Feb-16 400 N/A Royal Aircraft Factory F.E.2 May-16 386 1917 Martinsyde G.100 1916 300 1917 Royal Aircraft Factory F.E.8 Aug-16 295 Mid 1917 Royal Aircraft Factory R.E.7 Sep-15 250 Mid 1916 Vickers F.B.5 "Gunbus" 1914 250 Early 1916 Bristol Scout Nov-15 210 Mid 16 Sopwith Triplane Nov-16 152 Late 1917 Handley Page O/100 Nov-16 40 N/A Sopwith Tabloid 1913 40 N/A Handley Page V/1500 May-18 35 N/A Blackburn Kangaroo Apr-18 14 N/A Armstrong-Whitworth F.K.10 1916 8 1916 Type Service Date Number Built Left Service Albatros C.I Apr-15 N/A N/A Rumpler C.I 1915 N/A Early 18 Taube 1914 N/A Late 14 Fokker D.VII Apr-18 3,300 N/A DFW C.V 1916 3,250 N/A Albatros D.V Series Apr-17 2,500 N/A Albatros D.III Jan-17 1,350 N/A Pfalz D.III Aug-17 1,010 N/A Halberstadt CL.II May-17 900 Mid 18 Pfalz D.XII Jul-18 800 N/A Halberstadt CL.IV Mid 18 700 N/A Hannover CL.II Late 17 639 N/A Hannover CL.IIIa Early 18 537 N/A Fokker E Series Jun-15 416 Early 16 Fokker D.VIII Aug-18 381 N/A Albatros C.VII Apr-16 372 Mid 18 Roland D.VI May-18 350 N/A Friedrichshafen G.III Early 17 338 N/A Fokker DR.I Aug-17 320 Late 18 L.V.G. C.II Late 15 300 1917 Roland D.II Early 17 300 N/A Junkers J.I Aug-17 227 N/A Gotha G.V Aug-17 205 N/A Siemens-Schuckert D.IV Aug-18 123 N/A Rumpler C.IV Early 17 100 N/A Halberstadt D.II Early 16 85 Early 17 Siemens-Schuckert D.III Jul-18 80 N/A Albatros D.I Aug-16 50 N/A Type Service Date Number Built Left Service Nieuport 11 Jul-15 N/A Mar-16 Nieuport 17 Mar-16 3,600 Mid 17 SPAD XIII Sep-17 8,472 N/A SPAD VII Early 17 5,600 N/A Bréguet Br.14 Mid 17 5,500 N/A SOP. 1A2 (two seater reconnaissance), SOP. 1B2 (two seater bomber) and SOP. 1B1 (single seater bomber) Late 16 4,200 Early 18 Salmson 2 1917 3,200 N/A Caudron G4 Nov-15 1,421 Late 16 Morane-Saulnier A.1 Late 17 1,210 May-18 Voisin 8 Nov-16 1,100 Early 18 Morane-Saulnier L "Parasol" 1914 600 N/A Morane-Saulnier P "Parasol" 1914 565 Early 17 Caudron R.11 Feb-18 370 N/A Voisin 5 1915 300 1916 Nieuport 28 Mar-18 297 Jul-18 Dorand AR.1 Apr-17 150 Early 18 Bleriot XI 1914 132 N/A Morane-Saulnier N "Bullet" 1915 49 1915 Edited December 16, 2020 by Russkly
BMA_Hellbender Posted December 16, 2020 Posted December 16, 2020 17 minutes ago, SYN_Vander said: And if you would have to choose between the two? I also like this plane. Although totally irrelevant in terms of numbers, it was used as (strategic) bomber interceptor in 1918 because of rotary engine, so no warmup time needed. It's basically a Frankenplane: Fokker DrI with Fokker DVII wings LOL. EDIT: Just noticed you already mentioned the Fokker D.VI Fokker D.VI It’s hard to predict how these planes would behave in-game as the finished product doesn’t always match historical reports and/or player expectations (Fokker Dr.I and Nieuport 28 most notoriously), but I’m convinced any of these would be interesting to fly and might be a viable alternative to the Fokker D.VIIF and Pfalz D.XII in 1918 scenarios. The Fokker E.V/D.VIII is almost that, but not quite.
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