Invisible Fokker Scourge

[76SQN-FatherTed]

I'm wondering if a lot of this is down to drivers.  When the game updates I guess it is made compatible with the latest drivers, but how many of us keep that up to date?

[J2_Bidu]

2 hours ago, =CfC=FatherTed said:

I'm wondering if a lot of this is down to drivers.

 

Nah. Not that kind of problem.

[J2_Trupobaw]

18 hours ago, SeaSerpent said:

 

He is referring to McDonald's (the fast food hamburger place).  In the West, it is common vernacular to add Mac or Mc to the front of a word to denote immediate gratification.

Like MC Hammer?

[Guest deleted@83466]

1 hour ago, J2_Trupobaw said:

Like MC Hammer?

 

No.  Given your fondness for Mullet haircuts, I was thinking more like MacGyver.

[JGr2/J5_Baeumer]

I had tents disappear not 400m below me unless I was zoomed all the way in.  I'm concerned that you Entente Bristol's may have had difficulty finding the artillery position. Shall I begin a new thread?

 

14 hours ago, =CfC=FatherTed said:

I'm wondering if a lot of this is down to drivers.  When the game updates I guess it is made compatible with the latest drivers,

 

PS interestingly I just uploaded the newest Nvidia driver released the day.  I wonder if 1C is updated?  I think you might be onto something Father Ted.

[J2_Trupobaw]

13 hours ago, SeaSerpent said:

 

No.  Given your fondness for Mullet haircuts, I was thinking more like MacGyver.

Can't watch this

[BMA_Hellbender]

We had it happen near the end of IRFC's re-inauguration flight* on Flugpark tonight.

 

Several D.VIIs appear to become visible only at the highest zoom level. It's hard to tell, maybe just the pilot or propeller remains visible.

 

There were quite a few people on, so it may have been caused by that? No other planetypes had this issue. Sightings confirmed by at least 3 people.

 

 

 

A few highly zoomed in example gifs, track/recording available on request:

 

 

 

 

(*) We return following unpopular demand from Central flyers for more Entente squadrons to shoot at.

[ST_Catchov]

Hmmm ....

 

This is proof we need the Hanriot more than ever!

[1PL-Sahaj-1Esk]

Have to confirm as well that recently the unvisible D.VII bug tend to happen more often. The server overload message is mostly annoying too.

 

 

[No.23_Gaylion]

Yeah I see it almost every sortie. They fixed the original bug of invisible planes in WWI-land until the last big patch. Now we have this invite bug where, unlike the other one, the fokker stays invisible regardless if he fires his guns. 

[ST_Catchov]

That's not good at all. In fact it sucks big time. The Entente has been deployed en masse to Hooversville while Central frolics in some fancy chateau with champagne and cloaks! Enough! Fix it DEVS!

 

 

 

So what's the best D7 squad to join?

[NO.20_W_M_Thomson]

Isn't this what happened in the real war? Gotta keep it real gent's.

[No.23_Starling]

Yup I had it this eve too. Saw the flak and even an AI gunner open up on one. Hellbender, that image is amazing if upsetting!

It’s made worse by the fact that I’m constantly scanning above me for the near indestructible, better turning, better climbing, decent diving, fast, parachute bearing DviiF, but this is slightly taking the pee.

 

Pleeeease fix this, 1C. Or at least make the Dolphin invisible too just for a laugh. It needs all the help it can get.

[NO.20_W_M_Thomson]

2 hours ago, US93_Rummell said:

Pleeeease fix this, 1C. Or at least make the Dolphin invisible too just for a laugh. It needs all the help it can get.

Pleeeease fix this, 1C. Or at least make the Bristol invisible too just for a laugh. It needs all the help it can get. fixed it for ya.

[No.23_Gaylion]

I would like invisible ailerons and rudders please. 

[WWBiker_]

46 minutes ago, US213_Talbot said:

I would like invisible ailerons and rudders please. 

Funny 2 hits from the ground fire and I do.

[US103_Baer]

Well known issue. 

What I don't get is why it's always D7s getting the anomalous assistance. It's the only plane that doesn't need it!

[BMA_Hellbender]

2 hours ago, US28_Baer said:

Well known issue. 

 

Wasn't the issue previously that the D7 would only appear after opening fire? I can assure you the guy in question had already been shooting. One might say that we never saw him coming.

 

This is clearly a LOD issue and as @J5_Baeumer points out the D7 is not the only object affected, though it's the most noticeable. I believe that the Bristol bomb racks behave in much the same way.

 

I'll file some bug reports later today.

[ST_Catchov]

Well, if nothing else, it's damned bad for morale and jolly unsporting what!. Obviously not Oxford chaps. Probably pre-war Cambridge types. Sent over here to corrupt the purity of our womenfolk, spy on our superior aviation industry and cheat at rowing. God how that hurts!

 

A report should be submitted immediately and all suspects flying invisible D7's in an ungentlemanly manner banned from competing in the boat race until further notice.

 

 

 

[BMA_Hellbender]

Hear, hear!

 

Up diddly up, down diddly down, whoops, poop, twiddly dee - decent scrap with the fiendish Red Baron - bit of a jolly old crash landing behind enemy lines - capture, torture, escape, and then back home in time for tea and medals.

[BMA_Hellbender]

I filed a pretty extensive bug report here, further input is appreciated:

 

 

[No.23_Gaylion]

 

He means it's a well known issue because I posted about it in September while you were exiled in a galaxy far far away.

 

The devs know about it and even said it was gonna be fixed in that thread.

 

But..... still not fixed......

 

Edit: tag that Rapidus fellow in your post. That will get it noticed quicker.

Edited January 18, 2021 by US213_Talbot

[BMA_Hellbender]

1 hour ago, US213_Talbot said:

 

He means it's a well known issue because I posted about it in September while you were exiled in a galaxy far far away.

 

The devs know about it and even said it was gonna be fixed in that thread.

 

But..... still not fixed......

 

Edit: tag that Rapidus fellow in your post. That will get it noticed quicker.

 

 

I saw that topic and I think both issues are related, but the description of the bug is a bit non-descriptive:

 

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Planes are just invisible. The bug can happen on different ways. Some times you just can not see some plane, sometimes you can not see any plane but the rest of the people can see you. Sometimes the plane apeears just after using lights or firing and sometimes that just not happens and every plane on the server is invisible. 

For the every invisible plane you need to reset the game or just land and make other sortie, but that is if you realice that you have the bug. If not some invisible plane can appear on your six to kill you and you are not able to know it because you may see your squad mate. 

 

Of course this bug ruins completely the gaming experience and every serious aproach to the sim keeping yourself alive etc. Just make no sense to go for survival or streaks because some day some invisible plane can just kill you.

 

Okay, planes are "just invisible", but which planes? When, where, and most importantly, how does a dev reproduce it? It's too bad that it also happens in the WW2 part of the sim with different planes, but that's up to them to report accurately and likely one of the reasons why it hasn't been fixed yet.

 

If the devs have a step-by-step method of consistently reproducing the bug using a track file, pretty moving pictures on what they need to do to see the bug in action on that one particular object and can even see what it's supposed to look like when it's working correctly with other objects, it's much less likely that they will simply state "works as intended" or "engine limitation".

 

I'll definitely ping Rapidus, though!

 

 

P.S. A-Wing for life

 

 

Edited January 18, 2021 by =IRFC=Hellbender

[unreasonable]

7 hours ago, ST_Catchov said:

Well, if nothing else, it's damned bad for morale and jolly unsporting what!. Obviously not Oxford chaps. Probably pre-war Cambridge types. Sent over here to corrupt the purity of our womenfolk, spy on our superior aviation industry and cheat at rowing. God how that hurts!

 

 

 That is a bit rich, coming from someone who chooses to live where cricketers keep sandpaper in their underpants.

 

Is this bug only MP? I do not think I have ever seen it - but then I suppose I wouldn't. 

 

 

[No.23_Gaylion]

6 minutes ago, unreasonable said:

Is this bug only MP? I do not think I have ever seen it - but then I suppose I wouldn't. 

Nope. SP too.

[No.23_Starling]

43 minutes ago, unreasonable said:

 

 That is a bit rich, coming from someone who chooses to live where cricketers keep sandpaper in their underpants.

 

Is this bug only MP? I do not think I have ever seen it - but then I suppose I wouldn't. 

 

 

SP too. I’ve had it fighting bots offline. Have to turn icons on to compensate.

[unreasonable]

Oh - thanks for info. No D.VIIs in the campaigns I have played - at least none that were visible.... 

[NO.20_W_M_Thomson]

Bristol gunners also can be invisible. Happened to me a couple of times. 

[JGr2/J5_Klugermann]

18 hours ago, 1PL-Sahaj-1Esk said:

Have to confirm as well that recently the unvisible D.VII bug tend to happen more often. The server overload message is mostly annoying too.

 

 

 

Almost as frequent as your S! in chat from repeated seal clubbing.?

[Cynic_Al]

3 hours ago, =IRFC=Hellbender said:

If the devs have a step-by-step method of consistently reproducing the bug using a track file, pretty moving pictures on what they need to do to see the bug in action on that one particular object and can even see what it's supposed to look like when it's working correctly with other objects, it's much less likely that they will simply state "works as intended" or "engine limitation".

 

Do you think that if someone had found an infallible method of reproducing the issue, they wouldn't be screaming it to anyone who'd listen?

[BMA_Hellbender]

27 minutes ago, Cynic_Al said:

Do you think that if someone had found an infallible method of reproducing the issue, they wouldn't be screaming it to anyone who'd listen?

The bug is present in the track file, so the devs can analyse it to their heart’s content.

[Cynic_Al]

17 minutes ago, =IRFC=Hellbender said:

The bug is present in the track file, so the devs can analyse it to their heart’s content.

 

So you meant to record missions until the problem occurs, then submit that track.  Well as I understand it people have been doing that for months.

[BMA_Hellbender]

21 minutes ago, Cynic_Al said:

 

So you meant to record missions until the problem occurs, then submit that track.  Well as I understand it people have been doing that for months.

 

 

The "Invisible planes bug" is a whole spectrum of problems related to the new visibility and should be addressed by the devs as a whole. Many of these bugs have been fixed in the meantime, including a notorious one where a Fokker D.VII would only appear after firing its guns.

 

 

This is not that one. And I don't care, though, that's not my problem, I'm not in charge of quality assurance. Thank God.

 

All I can tell them is in that particular instance, that particular plane (also a D.VII) turns into a dot at that particular distance/zoom level, and they can reproduce it by loading that track and following these steps.

 

I've submitted similar bug reports in the past and so far they've all been addressed:

 

 

As you can see it took them a fair bit of convincing to get them to fix these things. Clearly these were minor issues compared to this, which has been reported by many people, but I digress. They can throw it onto the "Invisible planes bug" pile, they can say that the track doesn't help them one bit and they don't have the tools necessary to debug the issue and they can even outright claim that it's not worth fixing. Again I don't make policy decisions, I'm sure as hell not going to do test management for them for free, but if you clearly and respectfully outline one case, the least I think they can do is go over it step by step before they reject it.

 

 

P.S. Regarding your signature, I agree that the devs could revisit RoF and correct the FMs to match those of FC. The jury's still out regarding the Fokker Dr.I, though, and I've been holding my breath ever since the Sopwith Triplane was announced for FC2. I'm not kidding, please send an ambulance and oxygen. Still, Jason has said that going back to RoF is not going to happen and that these so-called mistakes will stand as design decisions. Fair enough. Leave it up to customers to decide whether that is something they can live with or not and whether it will affect future purchase decisions. Frankly, RoF is a playable combat flightsim, even with those FMs. A combat flightsim with invisible planes is not. You may proceed in mocking all of those who still have faith in this flightsim's future, or simply go back to RoF in the knowledge that problems which exist over there will likely never be addressed.

[No.23_Gaylion]

Don't take the bait man

[J2_Bidu]

37 minutes ago, =IRFC=Hellbender said:

Frankly, RoF is a playable combat flightsim, even with those FMs. A combat flightsim with invisible planes is not.

 

The (or some?) invisible plane bug was/is present in ROF too. I experienced it many times.

 

You could still hear it, though. In FC, I'm not sure.

Edited January 18, 2021 by J2_Bidu

[SeaW0lf]

Yes, it happens in single player and it seems off the charts now.

Coincidentally, last week I was testing Il-2 Flying Circus to see how is the current state of the surface and wing damage, since I haven't been flying here for months, but I came across the invisible D7 again, and in single player. I think it happened in two consecutive 5 minutes quick missions.

 

By the way, I've been flying in ROF since April 2020, quite often, and I haven't seen an invisible plane yet. In fact, I never saw an invisible plane in my 10 years playing Rise of Flight. It may have happened, but it might have been so sporadic and not clear that I never realized it. And now, already knowing what the invisible planes in Il-2 are like, I would definitely notice if it happened in ROF, but it didn't.

 

Apparently, this bug is becoming more serious in Il-2 as the years go by. Or I got ‘lucky’ and it happened in back to back missions. The first I think was with MSAA and the second with FXAA (I imagined it could be the AA).
 

 

 

 

[Cynic_Al]

9 hours ago, =IRFC=Hellbender said:

 They can throw it onto the "Invisible planes bug" pile, they can say that the track doesn't help them one bit and they don't have the tools necessary to debug the issue and they can even outright claim that it's not worth fixing. Again I don't make policy decisions, I'm sure as hell not going to do test management for them for free, but if you clearly and respectfully outline one case, the least I think they can do is go over it step by step before they reject it.

 

Are you alleging that any of the above has actually happened, or is it just your conjecture?

 

[NO.20_W_M_Thomson]

2 hours ago, SeaW0lf said:

By the way, I've been flying in ROF since April 2020, quite often, and I haven't seen an invisible plane yet. In fact, I never saw an invisible plane in my 10 years playing Rise of Flight. It may have happened, but it might have been so sporadic and not clear that I never realized it. And now, already knowing what the invisible planes in Il-2 are like, I would definitely notice if it happened in ROF, but it didn't.

Seen it a couple of times, always the Gotha. One time I was flying with a buddy , he could see me but I couldn't see him, He shot at me but did nothing, just went right through me. Was odd.

[J99_Sizzlorr]

I think Bender is on to something with it beeing a Level of Detail problem and a diffrent problem with the new visibility, than we had prior, where the D.VII would appear when it fired it's guns. The older problem was probably netcode related.

For the invisibility problem we have curretnly it is not that the D.VII is invisible per se. It is just invisible at a certain zoom levels. So you can make the D.VII fully visible again if you change your zoom level.

Edited January 19, 2021 by J99_Sizzlorr

[BMA_Hellbender]

2 hours ago, Cynic_Al said:

 

Are you alleging that any of the above has actually happened, or is it just your conjecture?

 

 

No conjecture needed, you can follow it live!