BraveSirRobin Posted May 9, 2021 Posted May 9, 2021 I suspect the biggest problem with PTO is not the lack of data. It’s simulating a carrier battle group without it becoming a slide show. 1
Cybermat47 Posted May 9, 2021 Posted May 9, 2021 6 minutes ago, BraveSirRobin said: I suspect the biggest problem with PTO is not the lack of data. It’s simulating a carrier battle group without it becoming a slide show. So, in short: Pacific Carrier Battles Australians ❌ A playable framerate ❌ New Guinea Australians ✅ A playable framerate ✅ I like where this is going. 3 2
DN308 Posted May 9, 2021 Posted May 9, 2021 Another solution would be to increase the number of planes in the current maps. There are a lot of planes missing or at least some to implement (Do17, early stukas, Ju 88s, Beaufighter, Anson, etc.) 2
Beebop Posted May 9, 2021 Posted May 9, 2021 1 hour ago, DN308 said: Beaufighter + 100 Also some flyable types we already have. (hint-hint). 1
DN308 Posted May 9, 2021 Posted May 9, 2021 23 minutes ago, Beebop said: + 100 Also some flyable types we already have. (hint-hint). Of course some converted to flyable. B and C something ?
=gRiJ=Roman- Posted May 9, 2021 Posted May 9, 2021 After BON I just do not dare to make any prediction ...
Beebop Posted May 9, 2021 Posted May 9, 2021 1 hour ago, DN308 said: Yes. But also some B-25/26 and C-47 I was j/k. Of course I meant bombers and transports.?
Rokychuchi Posted May 9, 2021 Posted May 9, 2021 On 5/8/2021 at 10:03 PM, Gambit21 said: Honestly, who is around to argue the EXACT roll rate of the Val or the Kate? Nobody, that's who. Exactly. The educated and informed guess would be more than good enough for 99% of folks here. And PTO would mean a lot of interested folks here. A true win-win business decision. 5
=gRiJ=Roman- Posted May 10, 2021 Posted May 10, 2021 In the third try, it gotta be the PTO. I cannot imagine any other new Battle most wanted. 3
BMA_FlyingShark Posted May 11, 2021 Posted May 11, 2021 On 5/10/2021 at 12:14 AM, Rokychuchi said: On 5/8/2021 at 10:03 PM, Gambit21 said: Honestly, who is around to argue the EXACT roll rate of the Val or the Kate? Nobody, that's who. Exactly. The educated and informed guess would be more than good enough for 99% of folks here. And PTO would mean a lot of interested folks here. A true win-win business decision. I think this too. I'm all for realism as much as possible but some educated guesses to get us to PTO would be good enough for me. And if ever more data shows up, they can still add more details in the FM's and stuff. We've had corrections and improvements in the past, that added but never took away the fun we had with the game before. Have a nice day. 3 1
DBFlyguy Posted May 11, 2021 Posted May 11, 2021 On 5/8/2021 at 12:30 PM, DN308 said: Boring Your wrong though LOL ? I'd rather they'd go anywhere besides back to the eastern front after BON. I personally don't think I'd buy it unless it included a lot of non-Soviet lend lease types. If we're never getting the pacific in this sim which seems to be the case, go somewhere that hasn't really been covered by a modern combat sim yet like the Italian/Med theatre....I can't imagine another "Yak" makes more "financial sense" or has wider global appeal then literally any western aircraft not currently in the game like a "small tail" Mk IX Spitfire, VC, VII, VIII... etc On 5/9/2021 at 2:05 PM, DN308 said: Another solution would be to increase the number of planes in the current maps. There are a lot of planes missing or at least some to implement (Do17, early stukas, Ju 88s, Beaufighter, Anson, etc.) I think providing more collector AIRCRAFT would be a good call across the board 1
ITAF_Rani Posted May 11, 2021 Posted May 11, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, DBFlyguy said: I think providing more collector AIRCRAFT would be a good call across the board I d like for the Italy theatre, if they don t want develop a big map, the possibility to provide a couple of italian planes (example only Mc 205 and G55) like collector planes and a little map like only North Italy where to fight....and all the rest needing is already present in the SIM, german and allied planes. Edited May 11, 2021 by ITAF_Rani 5
Beebop Posted May 11, 2021 Posted May 11, 2021 2 hours ago, DBFlyguy said: ...wider global appeal then literally any western aircraft not currently in the game like a "small tail" Mk IX Spitfire, VC, VII, VIII... etc With respect, please don't go there. 1946 now has 29 Spitfire variants. I don't need another variant just because the fuselage rivet pattern changed.? That said there is no way given the amount of time it takes to make a quality plane we're going to see a lot more different types any time soon. We have the Mossie and Typhoon coming for BoN plus two more P-51 marks no to mention the already released P-47 and Spit XIV. My question is....when do we get the Westland Whirlwind? ? 1 1
DBFlyguy Posted May 11, 2021 Posted May 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Beebop said: With respect, please don't go there. 1946 now has 29 Spitfire variants. I don't need another variant just because the fuselage rivet pattern changed.? That said there is no way given the amount of time it takes to make a quality plane we're going to see a lot more different types any time soon. We have the Mossie and Typhoon coming for BoN plus two more P-51 marks no to mention the already released P-47 and Spit XIV. My question is....when do we get the Westland Whirlwind? ? I actually wouldn't mind a Whirlwind! It didn't get much use but it is definitely a unique aircraft. Yeah, I'm really stoked for the Typhoon and P-51B/C, those two and the P-47D-22 were the main reasons I bought BON besides the map of course. 1
Trooper117 Posted May 12, 2021 Posted May 12, 2021 And that's the point, we know historically that the Whirlwind was used, we know the timeframe it was used in, we know the sqn's that were equipped with it, what actions it took part in and there are even pilots notes available... I'm all for it!
Beebop Posted May 12, 2021 Posted May 12, 2021 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Trooper117 said: ...we know historically that the Whirlwind was used... So was the Me-163 Komet. I don't expect it will make an appearance ever in the Great Battles series. That Whirlwind comment was meant as a joke. In all this time the stock version of 1946 doesn't have the Whirlwind or a myriad of other planes. Even B.A.T. doesn't have every plane from WWII. But if anyone wants to go that route, how about the Bachem Ba 349 Natter? The nose looks a lot like the Hs.129 so some of the work is nearly done. ? It flew once with a pilot, (Luftwaffe test pilot Lothar Sieber was killed though), so there's the reasoning to include it with the upcoming "Battle of Berlin". ? Edited May 12, 2021 by Beebop
Trooper117 Posted May 13, 2021 Posted May 13, 2021 If we have a map that would support any aircraft that flew and fought over it, then that or any other should be considered. There will come a time, if the GB series still continues, that we will have all or most of the major types that were operating on any given map... should the devs just give up then?... or should they continue to look for and provide aircraft to continue their revenue. 1
Deicide Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 (edited) miss read quoted/ delete please Edited May 16, 2021 by CrazyJow
Ribbon Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 After BoN only thing i would spend money on is PTO, medium bombers (B25/26/17) and torpedo bombers! 3 1
DN308 Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 According to the Q/A with Jason Williams, it seems that the next one will be late eastern front i.e CZ to Berlin... Not my choice nor many western players I guess, but the funders and most devs are mostly involved in that part of the world... 1
Eisenfaustus Posted May 16, 2021 Author Posted May 16, 2021 33 minutes ago, DN308 said: According to the Q/A with Jason Williams, it seems that the next one will be late eastern front i.e CZ to Berlin... Not my choice nor many western players I guess, but the funders and most devs are mostly involved in that part of the world... Source please?
DN308 Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Eisenfaustus said: Source please? Sorry, but I can’t find anymore the thread. But I guess many here have read this one, with age guessing, most played simulation game, etc. There were many interesting infos inside, with a sentence like « late war on eastern front is what interesting me a lot ». Just personally guessing that the choice is on the way for after BoN
ww2fighter20 Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 18 minutes ago, DN308 said: Sorry, but I can’t find anymore the thread. But I guess many here have read this one, with age guessing, most played simulation game, etc. There were many interesting infos inside, with a sentence like « late war on eastern front is what interesting me a lot ». Just personally guessing that the choice is on the way for after BoN I suspect you mean this thread?
ITAF_Rani Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 IMO.....at this point if Pacific will not be possible after BON we could have: Late East 50% Berlin 45 25% Med 43-44 25% 1
Rodwonder Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 I know I'm going to catch flack for this from the minority of "This is a niche market people" but I would like targets... Meaning a target AI pack. B 17's, B24's, Medium and Light bombers including the plethora of Russian bombers used during the war in the east not excluding any German planes also. All AI and meant as targets. Il 2 1946 kept my attention because of the myriad of planes that I could attack, the emersion was incredible. I would think many here would lay their money down for such a DLC... I would! 1
DN308 Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, ww2fighter20 said: I suspect you mean this thread? Thanks! I will search for the exact quote from JW Edit: Maybe that’s not crisp clear but these sentences let me think that we have here some good indications : Edited May 16, 2021 by DN308 1
Ribbon Posted May 16, 2021 Posted May 16, 2021 1 hour ago, ITAF_Rani said: IMO.....at this point if Pacific will not be possible after BON we could have: Late East 50% Berlin 45 25% Med 43-44 25% According to Jason's posts PTO and MTO( italy) are off chart! I guess it will be another eastern front with fighters and fighter-bomber planeset.....nothing new regarding gameplay! I just noticed this is the only unlocked thread mentioning PTO, how long until it gets located and locked ? 1
Vastarien Posted May 18, 2021 Posted May 18, 2021 (edited) Honestly, while less probable than an Eastern Europe one, Italy 43-44 is the scenario that makes most sense: A new, unique map that is not flat Eastern Europe or France yet again while being reasonable to create. Plains, hills, mountains, sea, big cities like Rome and Neaples and little towns, all with different seasons. Introduces Italy as a new faction in the career. Something different from Germany, finally, and is a chance to get an italian pilot for Mc 202 we already have. A number of different missions on a map fit for tactical operations, without huge flight times before action. We may finally introduce some ship hunting in the career. A long campaign that spans from September 43 to June 44. Many months of war over a frontline that moves steady and slowly. Could benefit from the planeset (and tanks, like the Ferdinand) we already have and on the other hand could enrich BoN scenarios with new planes. May introduce carrier operations as a test bed for Pacific. Would balance BoX with 3 Battles in the East (Moscow, Stalingrad, Kuban) and three in the West. On 5/17/2021 at 12:36 AM, =VARP=Ribbon said: According to Jason's posts PTO and MTO( italy) are off chart! I guess it will be another eastern front with fighters and fighter-bomber planeset.....nothing new regarding gameplay! I just noticed this is the only unlocked thread mentioning PTO, how long until it gets located and locked ? He did not rule out an italian scenario altogether. Some examples of aircrafts that were present in that theater of operation I fully support this suggestion by CountZero Edited May 19, 2021 by Vastarien 4
Diggun Posted May 18, 2021 Posted May 18, 2021 @Vastarien, you missed one important bullet point - A perfect excuse to make the B-25 flyable & recreate Catch 22 ? 5
Vastarien Posted May 18, 2021 Posted May 18, 2021 Just now, Diggun said: @Vastarien, you missed one important bullet point - A perfect excuse to make the B-25 flyable & recreate Catch 22 ? Yes, that too!
ITAF_Rani Posted May 18, 2021 Posted May 18, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, Vastarien said: He did not rule out an italian scenario altogether. Indeed I don t know why VARP Ribbon is so sure about this... ITALY could be still in the future Devs projects.. Edited May 18, 2021 by ITAF_Rani 2 2
ITAF_Rani Posted May 18, 2021 Posted May 18, 2021 (edited) So damn sexy the C 205 is....want her ride IL2 GB sky... Edited May 18, 2021 by ITAF_Rani
Ribbon Posted May 18, 2021 Posted May 18, 2021 4 hours ago, ITAF_Rani said: Indeed I don t know why VARP Ribbon is so sure about this... ITALY could be still in the future Devs projects.. I think i've read somewhere Jason ruling out Italy as next expansion or any time soon.....maybe i'm wrong, i wish i am cos after PTO second on my wishlist would be MTO. 1
=gRiJ=Roman- Posted May 19, 2021 Posted May 19, 2021 (edited) Well, If I could choose: Eastern Front: Barbarossa, Leningrad or Battle of Berlin Western Front: Malta or Italy Pacific: Early Carrier Battles or New Guinea Edited May 19, 2021 by =gRiJ=Roman- 1 2
LLv44_Damixu Posted May 26, 2021 Posted May 26, 2021 (edited) For the Battle of Finland, we really would like to see if simulated air combat expertise can match the historic results of world records of air war what Finns set as underdog air warfare in WW2 against Russians overwhelmed by numbers and quality of equipment and lend-lease supply of US by the masses. Edited May 26, 2021 by LLv44_Damixu 2
Burdokva Posted June 3, 2021 Posted June 3, 2021 (edited) Reading through a lot of the suggestions here, clearly the best new map would be the Balkans. Think that I am joking, right? Wrong. Very varied terrain, including flatlands, mountains, river valleys, coastlines and seas. All major combatants fought over the Balkans (RA, Luftwaffe, RAF, USAAF, VVS). Several 'minor' air forces that in fact saw quite heavy action (Bulgaria, Greece, Romania, Yugoslavia, Croatia, even Hungary). Many aircraft of the existing planesets can be used historically on a Balkans map. Map can be used to represent a number of battles within the timeline of the war that comprise multiple new and existing planesets: * Italo-Greek War 1940-41 * Invasion of Yugoslavia and Greece 1941 * Soviet operations against Bulgaria and Romania 1941-1942 * USAAF/RAF strategic bombing campaign against Bulgaria and Romania 1943-1944 * Soviet breaktrough in the South and occupation of the Balkans 1944 * RAF and VVS operations in support of Yugoslav partisans 1944 Yet, I can guarantee that will not happen because neither of those things would make it 'marketable' in what is already a niche market. Not to offend anyone, it's just that trying to rationalize the next installment in terms of map, plane or gameplay variety is nonsense; everyone can find pro's for their personal favourite. What would sell is 'relevance' and being a famous, instantly recognizable scenario. In that regard, and given what we have so far, the Battle for Berlin is the most probable. Even other large scale air battles in the East, like Hungary 1944-45, the Kurland pocket 1944-45, etc. cannot compete in it popularity. Italy 1943-45 is a reasonably strong contender. Everything else in Europe, whether West, South, East or North would likely be considered a less well-known scenario and/or too detached from the current installments. East Asia and the Pacific, sure, lots of choices - but I honestly expect they would come as part of an engine revision a few more years down the road, and then become the 'main' setting (hopefully compatible with the current ones but I wouldn't expect anymore ETO content outside of Collector Planes). Edited June 3, 2021 by ACG_Burdokva
HBPencil Posted June 4, 2021 Posted June 4, 2021 Although I don't believe it'll come anytime soon I'd like to see a mid war land based PTO expansion, preferably the Solomons. Like so: 1 1
ITAF_Bob-Polansky Posted June 4, 2021 Posted June 4, 2021 On 9/13/2020 at 9:16 AM, Eisenfaustus said: you can pick as many as you want. I‘ll start chronologically: Battle of France: I‘ll guess it‘ll be the last place. However I think it has much potential. French Air Force haven’t been done yet, small tactical engagements that work well with the BoX engine and if phoney war is included a very long campaign. German planes could also be used in moscow. Could/should also include some early British aircraft. Battle of Britain: seems to be asked for quite often but I personally think BoX engine is unsuited to depict this strategic air campaign with its huge air battles. Battle of Finland: a little obscure it worked in forgotten battles. Early Pacific carrier ops: while extremely cool the devs stated the many reasons why this is unlikely. mid-late Pacific Land based operations: propably less difficult it still has poorly documented Japanese planes. 1943 Italy: Would need to be allies vs Italians to generate a feasible planeset. But Italian airforce would be as fresh as the french. Could also include Carriers. Late eastern front: would be a very logical continuation. korea: could be used to sneak in late russian planes and mg15 vs sabre is just cool. Macchi 205 Veltro.Please Give to Italian Pilots a chance against allies in 1943 1
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