Nvidia teases a 21 day countdown to unveil or release of the RTX 3000

[CanadaOne]

1 hour ago, Jaws2002 said:

There's already talk online that the 3090 will be somewhere between $1500 and $2000.

 ?

 

American dollars? That's $2000 to $2600 Canuckian dollars.

 

That means it's somewhere between "Not a chance" and "Are you ******* crazy?"

 

My thoughts of a new video card are purely FS2020 based. If my 2060 Super tanks in FS2020 - which it shouldn't -  I will be pissed and I'll have to look for a new card.

[Robert_Molders]

5 hours ago, Jaws2002 said:

There's already talk online that the 3090 will be somewhere between $1500 and $2000.

 ?

I've already started to save moneys for it...I'm only 1999 $ from the target ?

[RAAF492SQNOz_Steve]

4 hours ago, CanadaOne said:

 

American dollars? That's $2000 to $2600 Canuckian dollars.

 

That means it's somewhere between "Not a chance" and "Are you ******* crazy?"

 

My thoughts of a new video card are purely FS2020 based. If my 2060 Super tanks in FS2020 - which it shouldn't -  I will be pissed and I'll have to look for a new card.

Us Aussies will think that $2600 would be a bargain if they price the RTX 3090 GPU here in Oz with the same mark up that HP Australia tried to get for the HP Reverb G2 at $1400 AUD.  

Think that Canada is a bit under $900 for the Reverb G2 and given that the Aussie dollar is close to parity with the Canadian dollar, HP Aust were really going for it on the max profit margin stakes 

 

With that type of inflated price they would be asking for around $4,000 AUD for the RTX 3090 in downunder land.

 

In the end HP Australia had to back off on the price gouging to a mere $1100 AUD and ran the line that the original price was a mistake.

I had been talking to the HP customer service during this time and sorry HP Aust , it was not a mistake, they had been pondering the price for several weeks before trotting out the $1400 one.

 

Fingers crossed, for all concerned, that the new GPU's come in at the low end of pricing expectations. 

Edited August 17, 2020 by RAAF492SQNOz_Steve
added a word to improve clarity of my winge

[CanadaOne]

17 minutes ago, RAAF492SQNOz_Steve said:

 

Think that Canada is a bit under $900 for the Reverb G2 and given that the Aussie dollar is close to parity with the Canadian dollar, HP Aust were really going for it on the max profit margin stakes 

 

 

$1000 for the Reverb G2 on Amazon here. 

 

AS for $4000AUD for a 3090.. do you guys have lottery tickets down there? You might want to invest. 

[Jaws2002]

1 hour ago, CanadaOne said:

do you guys have lottery tickets down there? You might want to invest. 

 They get milked for everything they buy down there.

 I think a plane ticket would be a better investment.

[Bernard_IV]

On 8/15/2020 at 11:33 AM, Jade_Monkey said:

 

EVGA. Unfortunately the damage was on my end, so it's not covered. I had a small water leak when I upgraded my CPU and had to re-do the water loop.

It made its way underneath the backplate (unbeknownst to me) and slowly made some damage. It took weeks for the card to start malfunctioning.

 

 

Based on all the rumors RTX3090 = RTX 3080Ti. They just dont know what the official name is going to be this time.

We all know they love making it very confusing with "super" and "ti".

In the past they reserved the "90" for the dual cards in single pcbs but this time it sounds different.

Actually if you still have warranty I'd clean that up the best you can and maybe burn that part with a propane torch to hide what you can and just send it in.  Play dumb see what happens.

8 hours ago, Jaws2002 said:

There's already talk online that the 3090 will be somewhere between $1500 and $2000.

 ?

I'd bet it is that much based on them putting 20+ gigs of DDR6 in there.  I put my well used 1080ti on ebay and they seem to be changing hands at around 450 to 500 so that will take some of the edge off for me.

Edited August 17, 2020 by Bernard_IV

[Jade_Monkey]

16 minutes ago, Bernard_IV said:

Actually if you still have warranty I'd clean that up the best you can and maybe burn that part with a propane torch to hide what you can and just send it in.  Play dumb see what happens.

I'd bet it is that much based on them putting 20+ gigs of DDR6 in there.  I put my well used 1080ti on ebay and they seem to be changing hands at around 450 to 500 so that will take some of the edge off for me.

 

I did. That's the picture THEY sent me ?

[Bernard_IV]

16 minutes ago, Jade_Monkey said:

 

I did. That's the picture THEY sent me ?

? That sucks though.  These things are hot items.  I used mine hard, like thousands of hours after I paid $700 for it and will sell it for almost $500.  Run at stock clocks though which is pretty high at 1930mhz or so.  The fan bearings literally died on this thing, I had to order some new ones from China.  That is the kind of hours it has on it.

Edited August 17, 2020 by Bernard_IV

[RAAF492SQNOz_Steve]

3 hours ago, Jaws2002 said:

 They get milked for everything they buy down there.

 I think a plane ticket would be a better investment.

They have thought of the plane ticket option.............................. ?

Due to Covid 19 restrictions we are not allowed to leave/ visit other countries. So it, currently, is what you would call a "Captive Market" ?

 

The only flying that most Aussies get to do at present is in a ...................................... flight sim game ?️

 

Disclaimer/ political statement:

I should note that I do not disagree with the restrictions we have related to Covid 19, from that perspective I would much rather be in Oz where people are considered to be more important than the economy.

[Bernard_IV]

1 hour ago, RAAF492SQNOz_Steve said:

They have thought of the plane ticket option.............................. ?

Due to Covid 19 restrictions we are not allowed to leave/ visit other countries. So it, currently, is what you would call a "Captive Market" ?

 

The only flying that most Aussies get to do at present is in a ...................................... flight sim game ?️

 

Disclaimer/ political statement:

I should note that I do not disagree with the restrictions we have related to Covid 19, from that perspective I would much rather be in Oz where people are considered to be more important than the economy.

Unless you own a business or career you spent your life creating that is going under.  Most of us here have just decided we'll run the risk.  I know a bunch of people that had it and they're fine, it's not a big deal if you're healthy.  That being said I do see some very frail and very unhealthy people going around as if nothing was going on...  Some countries are betting on a vaccine but from what I understand the chances of that being really effective aren't very good so in the end you likely will have to run the risk as well.  The various influenza viruses that go around today were once pandemics in the beginning, it is what it is.

[RAAF492SQNOz_Steve]

15 minutes ago, Bernard_IV said:

Unless you own a business or career you spent your life creating that is going under.  Most of us here have just decided we'll run the risk.  I know a bunch of people that had it and they're fine, it's not a big deal if you're healthy.  That being said I do see some very frail and very unhealthy people going around as if nothing was going on...  Some countries are betting on a vaccine but from what I understand the chances of that being really effective aren't very good so in the end you likely will have to run the risk as well.  The various influenza viruses that go around today were once pandemics in the beginning, it is what it is.

We had it pretty much under control here in Oz but a few too many people "ran the risk" and now we have to do it all over again.

 

I would agree that it will be ultra challenging to permanently avoid it unless a viable vaccine can be developed.

 

As someone who has just completed 7 months chemotherapy and currently awaiting results, to see if treatment has worked, running the risk is not an option.

Pushing up daisies is not going to do much for my business either.

 

While this post is somewhat maudlin I actually expect that the treatment will work, as initial signs are positive, and that I will be flying flight sims (very badly) for the next 10+ years or so.

[Bernard_IV]

14 minutes ago, RAAF492SQNOz_Steve said:

We had it pretty much under control here in Oz but a few too many people "ran the risk" and now we have to do it all over again.

 

I would agree that it will be ultra challenging to permanently avoid it unless a viable vaccine can be developed.

 

As someone who has just completed 7 months chemotherapy and currently awaiting results, to see if treatment has worked, running the risk is not an option.

Pushing up daisies is not going to do much for my business either.

 

While this post is somewhat maudlin I actually expect that the treatment will work, as initial signs are positive, and that I will be flying flight sims (very badly) for the next 10+ years or so.

Best wishes for you I hope you are cured.

[Jaws2002]

More leaks apear as we get closer to the release.

 Looks like Nvidia went full retard with the rtx 3090.

 Another leak confirms the card will come with a  24GB of GDDRX6, huge size, that takes three slots and a just as stupid price of.... 1400 US dollars.

Here's more info and photos of this monster:

 

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-flagship-ampere-gaming-graphics-card-pictured-1400-us-price/

 Looks like this time Nvidia plans to launch three graphics cards. Rtx titan, rtx 3090 and rtx 3080, and by the look of it all three will be priced over 1000 USD. 

 I was hoping the 3080 to be more sanely priced, but that's out the window with the news that it will hav 20GB of the expensive GDDR6X. 

[SCG_motoadve]

10 minutes ago, Jaws2002 said:

More leaks apear as we get closer to the release.

 Looks like Nvidia went full retard with the rtx 3090.

 Another leak confirms the card will come with a  24GB of GDDRX6, huge size, that takes three slots and a just as stupid price of.... 1400 US dollars.

Here's more info and photos of this monster:

 

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-flagship-ampere-gaming-graphics-card-pictured-1400-us-price/

 Looks like this time Nvidia plans to launch three graphics cards. Rtx titan, rtx 3090 and rtx 3080, and by the look of it all three will be priced over 1000 USD. 

 I was hoping the 3080 to be more sanely priced, but that's out the window with the news that it will hav 20GB of the expensive GDDR6X. 

Now I wonder if that big of a card will fit on my motherboard.

[dburne]

17 minutes ago, Jaws2002 said:

More leaks apear as we get closer to the release.

 Looks like Nvidia went full retard with the rtx 3090.

 Another leak confirms the card will come with a  24GB of GDDRX6, huge size, that takes three slots and a just as stupid price of.... 1400 US dollars.

Here's more info and photos of this monster:

 

https://wccftech.com/nvidia-geforce-rtx-3090-flagship-ampere-gaming-graphics-card-pictured-1400-us-price/

 Looks like this time Nvidia plans to launch three graphics cards. Rtx titan, rtx 3090 and rtx 3080, and by the look of it all three will be priced over 1000 USD. 

 I was hoping the 3080 to be more sanely priced, but that's out the window with the news that it will hav 20GB of the expensive GDDR6X. 

 

Ohhh crap...

[TheSNAFU]

If Nvidia is expecting 3080 to go for 1,000 they are out of their freaking minds. No way I’m paying that. I was afraid the talk of more reasonable pricing than the last generation was going to turn out to be bs. And the size of the 3090 is absurd. I hope this info is wrong. 
 

If its accurate I hope they choke on unsold stock. 

Edited August 21, 2020 by TheSNAFU

[Bernard_IV]

I hope all of that is true for the 3090.  I will pay their price for all of that wretched excess.  

[dburne]

Well my EVGA RTX 2080 Ti FTW3 is a 2.5 slot GPU, so I guess getting that 3 slot 3090 behemoth will fit as well.

The price though, ugh... 

 

Anxious to see what EVGA comes up with their cooling for it. The cooling for their 2080 Ti FTW3 is fantastic.

[LLv34_Flanker]

S! 

 

Ridiculous pricing by nVidia, once again. You can safely calculate that EU pricing will be the same and an added 200-300€ on top. AMD really needs to release RDNA2 soon. No matter if it "a whopping 2fps slower" but if it costs less the competition would be tougher. 

[simfan2015]

Here in Europe some RTX 2080 ti cards already cost 1500 euro. Indeed, the new 3090 will go for 2000 euro or so. However, gamers will buy it nevertheless. VR simply requires a card like the RTX 3090, that's why it will sell... whatever the cost!!!? We are used to having to spent up to 50 percent more for the same stuff! 

IMHO an AMD GPU may cost a bit less, even here, but Driver hell is not my favorite waste of time! I do hope though, as many people here, that the new RDNA2 cards prove better than the  Nvidia tech... Because of prices. But rest assured nvidia knows what's coming from AMD and that may be why they know they can, again, ask these prices! 

Edited August 22, 2020 by simfan2015

[Jaws2002]

6 hours ago, simfan2015 said:

However, gamers will buy it nevertheless. VR simply requires a card like the RTX 3090, that's why it will sell... whatever the cost!!!?

Some will, but most won't. Like one percent of the gamers use VR. 

Nvidia's market strategy is straight from intel's playbook. 

 They invent gimmicks to justify pulling the prices up.

 The Ray tracing was a perfect example. Now they will claim that gamers need 24GB of video memory to play games, just to pull the price up again few hundred dollars. They don't. 

  

I did buy the top dog a bunch of times, but not at this stupid prices.

My first top gpu was an ATI 9700 Pro. I got it for $500. My next top dog was an overclocked GTX590  at $700( dual gpu monster).

Then i got an overclocked GTX 780 for $650 the day it was released.

 I got this overclocked 1080Ti for $775, three days after release and it ceushed everything including the Titan.

 

Then all of a sudden Nvidia started to pull the prices up. When 2080ti came out they already had two graphics cards over a thousand. Now looks like they could also pull the 3080 over a 1000 bucks.

  You also have to consider that this new 7nm chips should be cheaper, because the production has higher yeilds. A lot fewer defective chips have to be discarded. That's why AMD is crushing Intel with much better prices.

I see some rumors about a 3080 that could be sold at $800 on US market, but that could be the 10GB card, and that one will be starved of memory at high resolutions.

 We'll se.

 

 

 

[simfan2015]

46 minutes ago, Jaws2002 said:

Now they will claim that gamers need 24GB

Maybe not ... yet.

However the DCS Channel and Syria maps in VR could sure use it (or so I read) and as soon as FS 2020 gets VR ... ?!

Buying an expensive graphics card with VR around the corner (that you claim is still only used by the lucky 1% nowadays ?) that 24 GB VRAM and a.o. that PIMAX 8K VR heaset may necessitate this.

I fully agree Nvidia is first creating the 'need' (like RTX) and then ... cashes in on it.

Let us hope AMD has an anwer to this (but I personally doubt it ... very much so). 

2000 USD for 1 GPU is maybe 'insane' ... but what choice do we have if we want our GPU to last at least 3-5 years (technologically speaking) !??? 

Edited August 22, 2020 by simfan2015

[Robert_Molders]

13 minutes ago, simfan2015 said:

2000 USD for 1 GPU is maybe 'insane' ... but what choice do we have if we want our GPU to last at least 3-5 years (technologically speaking) !??? 

Playing cards and Subbuteo. ?

[Jaws2002]

24 gb of stupidly fast ram is not needed for games right now. Remember, the games are loaded in the actual RAM the memory on the graphics card is basically frame buffer. 

 I think AMD judged the memory needs of the present and near future games better, aiming for 16GB and 12GB of GDDR.

 20 and 24 GB is too much, even for DCS and FS 2020, because those are also CPU intensive and your graphics card will just sit idle.

 I checked the performance a bit for FS 2020 and while i'm now GPU bottlenecked, the CPU is also hard hit. On a bussy airport, like Frankfurt, the CPU performance can't even hit 50 fps.

  Everything else is console ported games that don't need top end graphics cards.

 

 

The excess memory is just another  marketing BS Nvidia is gonna try to milk.

[simfan2015]

@Jaws2002

Agreed !

But that is nowadays.

IMHO It also depends on how long one hopes to keep the graphics card.

VR seems very demanding (if I may believe the DCS VR simmers) ... but indeed probably because DCS is unoptimized and uses a single CPU core most of the time.

I am not sure but guess that getting the best GPU is a safe bet !

A far faster CPU is needed to really use an RTX 3090 (at least I think this will be the case) and in that regard the 3090 is surely overkill ... again today.

27 minutes ago, Jaws2002 said:

24 gb of stupidly fast ram

The more, the faster, the better ... nothing stupid about that AFAIK.

It never hurts (maybe only your bank account of course), but sure does away with whining and agony about too little FPS ! 

To me it is worth it but even after writing this I am also just waiting for the release of the 3xxx GPU series to determine whether that 1500USD/1800 EURO is really worth it (to me personally). 

[CanadaOne]

 

29 minutes ago, Jaws2002 said:

24 gb of stupidly fast ram is not needed for games right now. 

 

 

It is if you're rich. (I'm not.)

 

I bought a loto ticket last night because I'm a bit dumb, but if I win a few million, I'll SLI two of those 3090s and run FS2020 on three giant 4k screens.

[dbzero]

This is what happens when there is lack of serious competition. Right now the very high end graphics card market is locked up by NVIDIA. I got my RTX 2020 for $524 over a year ago. It was retailing for $745 but I talked the salesperson into giving me a deal. $2000 for a video card seems excessive. Even though I could afford it, I still would hesitate to pay that much especially since tech always goes down in value fast.

 

$2000 buys you 1 a once ounce gold coin, 75 ounces of silver, 3 shares of NVDA stock or a complete high end gaming system.

Edited August 22, 2020 by tiger_0988

[simfan2015]

11 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

if I win a few million, I'll SLI two of those 3090s and run FS2020 on three giant 4k screens.

But ... do you think that will be sufficient for ... DCS in VR ? ?  

BTW e.g. "Crysis Remastered" will support Ray Tracing as well as 8K textures ! ... filling that 24 GB VRAM will no longer be ... a problem ! 

 

10 minutes ago, tiger_0988 said:

It was retailing for $745 but I talked the salesperson into giving me a deal.

You guys are lucky living in the US ... in Europe the salesperson might ... drop dead laughing ! 

Edited August 22, 2020 by simfan2015

[Mitthrawnuruodo]

1 hour ago, Jaws2002 said:

24 gb of stupidly fast ram is not needed for games right now.

 

It's usually not needed in current games, but only because the top gaming-oriented graphics cards were limited to 11 GB since 2017 and the vast majority had 8 or less. It doesn't make sense for developers to target more VRAM than people actually have. They will take advantage of larger VRAM as it becomes standard. Optimizing game engines to perform well within VRAM constraints is currently a significant technical challenge that developers must overcome.

 

1 hour ago, Jaws2002 said:

Remember, the games are loaded in the actual RAM the memory on the graphics card is basically frame buffer. 

 

That's not true; the framebuffer is just a small part. Many other crucial resources must be loaded in VRAM, including textures, geometry data, and render targets.

 

1 hour ago, Jaws2002 said:

The excess memory is just another  marketing BS Nvidia is gonna try to milk.

 

I agree that huge amounts of VRAM 3x above average are not immediately necessary in most cases. However, larger VRAM can be genuinely useful unlike some other gimmicks. We do have to move beyond 11 GB at some point. In applications other than gaming, having 24 or even 48 GB of GPU memory is already useful.

Edited August 22, 2020 by Mitthrawnuruodo

[dbzero]

21 minutes ago, simfan2015 said:

You guys are lucky living in the US ... in Europe the salesperson might ... drop dead laughing ! 

The salesperson also gave me a sweet deal on my Samsung VR set too. Gave me his business card and said I'm doing this because I want your business. I was happy to comply, but then the trade dispute with China took place and the store was bare as the supply chain was disrupted so I really had nothing to buy.

 

Then during the recent unrest the store got looted. 

 

It will be interesting to see how well these pricey cards sell.

 

Edited August 22, 2020 by tiger_0988

[TG-55Panthercules]

6 minutes ago, tiger_0988 said:

Then during the recent unrest the store got looted. 

 

 

 

Well, that's one way to get it - so, how are you enjoying your new gear now ?

[simfan2015]

13 minutes ago, tiger_0988 said:

Then during the recent unrest the store got looted.

OK, about that 'lucky' ... I take it back.

I hope you all get out of these dark days

I hope I can visit all of you over there in California and all those other wonderful states again.

I have always been very fortunate and eager to visit the US.

God Bless

 

[Jaws2002]

28 minutes ago, Mitthrawnuruodo said:

We do have to move beyond 11 GB at some point. In applications other than gaming, having 24 or even 48 GB of VRAM is already useful

 Agree on both accounts, i was just talking about gaming. For professional use the more memory the better. There are rumors that the Ampere version of Titan will come with 48GB of GDDR.

 I also agree that it's time to move up from 11GB. I have 11GB on the 1080ti that i bought some four years ago. 

 I just think the jump straight to 24GB is a bit excessive. This pushes the price a lot.

 I think 16GB-20GB to be a good window. But the rumors are that 3080 will come with both 10GB and 20GB, and that's strange. It seems they just don't want any sane middle ground.?

Edited August 22, 2020 by Jaws2002

[RAAF492SQNOz_Steve]

Looks like I will not be blowing money on a new Nvidia GPU in the near future.

 

Speculation is that the 3080 and 3090 are going to be real power hogs and that users will need to upgrade power supplies as well.

Having a IDX case means that is not an option for me.

 

This is on top of new Intel CPU's being quite power hungry.

 

Wondered why the new Dell Alienware desktop PC's came with a 1000 Watt PSU.......................

[simfan2015]

16 minutes ago, RAAF492SQNOz_Steve said:

Speculation is that the 3080 and 3090 are going to be real power hogs

Nvidia is going the AMD way ... they no longer care about power efficiency it seems !

The fight is going to only be about FPS ... the taxing of the PSU .. and your electricity bill is no longer important.

But in the end that is the only thing gamers care about ... more FPS at higher resolutions and Mhz.

So you better buy that 1600 W PSU now ... we will need it for the next 4090 GPU upgrade ?

[RedKestrel]

5 hours ago, RAAF492SQNOz_Steve said:

Looks like I will not be blowing money on a new Nvidia GPU in the near future.

 

Speculation is that the 3080 and 3090 are going to be real power hogs and that users will need to upgrade power supplies as well.

Having a IDX case means that is not an option for me.

 

This is on top of new Intel CPU's being quite power hungry.

 

Wondered why the new Dell Alienware desktop PC's came with a 1000 Watt PSU.......................

And all that power consumption probably means more heat, which means upgraded cooling...

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

Latest rumours indicate 3080 having 10Gb DDR6X and 3090 having 24Gb of DDR6X. Take your pick how much they will cost. I will pass and look at AMD RDNA2.

[Beazil]

58 minutes ago, LLv34_Flanker said:

S!

 

Latest rumours indicate 3080 having 10Gb DDR6X and 3090 having 24Gb of DDR6X. Take your pick how much they will cost. I will pass and look at AMD RDNA2.

One kidney for the 3080.  Both for the 3090.

[RedKestrel]

2 minutes ago, JG51_Beazil said:

One kidney for the 3080.  Both for the 3090.

And the 3090 will draw more power than the dialysis machine you have to get too.

[Jaws2002]

Yep. So far, only the 3090 with 24gb Vram and 3080 with 10GB of Vram are confirmed. 

I bet they have another one (3080Ti/Super) waiting for AMD's answer. 

 The leaks say that 3090 will launch for $1400 USD and the 3080 for $800 USD.

 I'll wait and see what AMD has. None of this two make sense for me. 3090 is too stupidly expensive and 3080 has too little memory. 

I can wait. My 1080ti is still ok. Is crying a it in DCS and a lot in FS 2020, bu i don't pay 2000 Canadian dollars for a graphics card.