Would a engine upgrade be in the cards?

[CanadaOne]

12 minutes ago, 41Sqn_Skipper said:

If you create collector planes and a collector map, you can combine them and sell it as a complete module ?

 

 Apparently it's not possible to create additional or more detailed maps.

 

 

 

A map the MP guys will get for free and the SP guys will have to pay for.

 

Back to work again. Gotta buy more food for the kids and maps for the MP crowd. 

[CountZero]

Last i remenber there is say that MP is 5-10% of players, so what if they can play for free on all maps its not like thats many buys. They could easy decide to make just maps for areas we have most airplanes and sell them with SP campaigns and keep this system where in MP maps are free and would not lose mutch if MP is only 5-10% of buys.

On other hand if you have to have map to play in MP, we would have just basic maps and new maps would not be mutch on servers, especialy if its like in DCS where you can just buy maps.

16 minutes ago, 7.GShAP/Silas said:

The severe limitation of ai entities is a big bummer(I assume because of the fidelity of the simulation) .  How does Cliffs of Dover Blitz compare?

I played online missions with ~90 humans and 100+ AI airplanes (most bombers) and countless stuff on ground and moving ships and all worked mutch better then you can do here with ~30 AI on server and no moving stuff.

[FTC_ChilliBalls]

I think one of the best ways to offer improvements to the game without too much effort on the devs part,

would be if they added a way for server operators to either whitelist or even require certain mods.

 

Instead of just being able to define a server as mods on or mods off, this would encourage more servers to use mods,

opening up MP to community based improvement without mod improved servers being exploitable without restraint.

 

I predict this would result in a positive feedback loop:

More servers with mods → more people being able to enjoy mods → more people create mods → more servers with mods →  ∞

 

Edited July 14, 2020 by So_ein_Feuerball

[von_Tom]

20 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

 

A map the MP guys will get for free and the SP guys will have to pay for.

 

 

A fallacious argument.  Buy a single module and you are buying the ability to use any map that is created.  That is part of the deal.  The same for multi-crew aircraft and tanks.

 

You also forget that MP guys also pay for the content.

 

von Tom

[O_DesoLunatic]

3 hours ago, CanadaOne said:

 

A map the MP guys will get for free and the SP guys will have to pay for.

 

Back to work again. Gotta buy more food for the kids and maps for the MP crowd. 

 

While you are feeling so generous, could you get me Ju52 on your way back? I think this is one of (I think) 3 collector planes I don't have  and you know a MP guy like me is only waiting for a handout. ? 

 

3 hours ago, von_Tom said:

 

A fallacious argument.  Buy a single module and you are buying the ability to use any map that is created.  That is part of the deal.  The same for multi-crew aircraft and tanks.

 

You also forget that MP guys also pay for the content.

 

von Tom

 

On a more serious note tho, I don't like the us vs them mentality going on in this thread because as von Tom noted above we all buy the same product and we are free to ignore parts of it as we like.  Should I be salty that devs use their budget on built-in career for each expansion that I never use? Hell no because it makes the game a better product overall, attracting more players. Same goes for being able to play on a different map online.

And let me explain here how it works for people not playing multiplayer from perspective of people that play exclusively MP.

Usually at peak times there are 2, maybe 3 servers that are populated which have gameplay that imitates what you would call single missions or campaigns - so you have objectives on the map to complete, the side that does it first wins and you go to the next "mission' that can be (but usually isn't) influenced by the result of the match. And TAW server for example works as a campaign that goes from I believe battle of Moscow era through Stalingrad to Kuban - but this server is not online all the time, there is a break period of few weeks (someone please correct me if I'm wrong) when a campaign is over. Aside from that usually active are Wings of Liberty (eastern front) and Combat Box (western front) and Berloga duel and dogfight which we can compare to quick mission generator. Chaotic furball of planes, start in the air type of thing. 

So all seems nice so far but there is one big catch - there isn't enough players overall to be able to join at any time during the day and have fun and full experience on a type of server you want. Let's say you finished work, you want to have some multiplayer fun on your favourite server that runs Stalingrad map but tough luck, no people there. So you join Bodenplatte server and you go through few lives where you die because you keep getting bounced by late war 109s in your Spitfire MkV. You quit go to Berloga to have some quick fun but how long can you play equivalent of quick mission generator. After few nights like that you decide to buy all other expansions you didn't care for to make sure you will be able to enjoy the game online no matter what other people will be playing at the time (it was Moscow and Kuban in my case that I ended up buying without really wanting to) - additionally, usually there is rather limited amount of respawns available for planes not really belonging to a given map.

And to further put that into perspective imagine that, what you could play in single player was dependent on what other people are playing at a time and you just had no way to have fun with a specific plane or map you wanted to play at the moment and later you go on the forums to find out that people are angry at the devs for making the process less frustrating for you. 

Hope this clarifies the issue a bit ?

Edited July 14, 2020 by desolunatic

[PatrickAWlson]

Seems mostly a tempest in a teapot (welcome to the internet).  As an SP guy I can't complain.  If you did not allow MP players to use a map you would end up kicking them off of servers repeatedly.  That would reduce sales and lose the company money.

 

Would use of the map without the planes be a benefit for SP players?  Sure ... maybe ... IMHO not all that much.  If you love the Ju88 you could pretty much fly that on every map, but most SP enthusiasts will want the planes that go with the map.

 

The planes tend to be more intimately tied to the map for any sort of historical play.  Most SP players play some sort of campaign or career and most of us fly more than one plane.  Most available campaigns are on the map that comes with the plane, so if that is your area of interest then free use of a map isn't going to do you any good without the plane.  Career: as noted there are some planes that would allow you to fly a career across maps, but mostly not.  So yeah, not a big deal.  

 

Take the upcoming BoN: what would you do as an SP guy without buying the planes? Probably do more than any map to date, especially pre 1944.  However, once you are in the mid 1943 time frame you really want some of the BoN planes.  So how much good is having the map without the planes really doing you?

 

 

[BraveSirRobin]

There are no MP guys or SP guys.  There are people who bought the game.  We all get access to the same thing.  If you don’t own BoM and want to fly on the map, go to an MP server that has a BoM mission running. 

[Ribbon]

3 hours ago, CanadaOne said:

 

A map the MP guys will get for free and the SP guys will have to pay for.

 

Back to work again. Gotta buy more food for the kids and maps for the MP crowd. 

You can buy single expansion on different account, play in MP and see it for yourself it's not like you think it is!

MP crowd is prone to buy every module if they're MP oriented otherwise you'll be very very limited on servers you can play as servers usually combine historical accuracy with planeset that follows the map.

Map being free in MP is handy only when you're starting to get in il2, something like a demo and still you'll be quite limited.

Check hardcore MP playerbase profiles and you'll se plenty of bars under their avatars.

 

Imo devs did this as a great business decision from psychological aspect, it's their product and their decision and nobody owes you or me anything.

Another thing is that it takes almost 2 years to develop a map so it's not the case like with collector planes, take that into consideration aswell that  manpower and resources are limited, if devs could produce few maps a year i'm sure they would.

 

I'm a map addict and would buy collector maps too but i see why they don't go with it, yet (maybe when enough planes and theatres are out it'll come as option...i hope)!

So all this discussion about maps is pointless!

[PatrickAWlson]

5 hours ago, BraveSirRobin said:

There are no MP guys or SP guys.  There are people who bought the game.  We all get access to the same thing.  If you don’t own BoM and want to fly on the map, go to an MP server that has a BoM mission running. 

 

I'm going to differ.  But many of us use the product quite differently.  What we experience is highly dependent on how we use it.  Focus on one area may or may not be of interest to an individual.  For example, I really don't care to much about network code performance.  Somebody who primarily uses the product for MP cares deeply.  AI affects everybody but definitely has a greater impact on the SP experience.  So yes, there are SP and MP guys and their interests and priorities will not necessarily be the same.

 

[BraveSirRobin]

34 minutes ago, PatrickAWlson said:

 

I'm going to differ.  But many of us use the product quite differently.  What we experience is highly dependent on how we use it.  Focus on one area may or may not be of interest to an individual.  For example, I really don't care to much about network code performance.  Somebody who primarily uses the product for MP cares deeply.  AI affects everybody but definitely has a greater impact on the SP experience.  So yes, there are SP and MP guys and their interests and priorities will not necessarily be the same.

 

It doesn’t really matter what your interests are.  We all bought the same game.  We all have access to the same features.  If you choose not to use some of them, that’s your problem.  You still paid for the access.  Same as I paid for a campaign even though I don’t use it.  CanadaOne was complaining about people getting access to all the maps in MP. Well, that’s his problem.  He has the same access.  He just chooses not to take advantage of it.

[CanadaOne]

7 hours ago, desolunatic said:

 

While you are feeling so generous, could you get me Ju52 on your way back? I think this is one of (I think) 3 collector planes I don't have  and you know a MP guy like me is only waiting for a handout. ? 

 

It would be my pleasure. I had a Ju-52 gifted to me by a fine Girtish gentleman and I am happy to pass his good intentions along. it's a lovely plane. 

 

Dinner and beer first though. 

 

[O_DesoLunatic]

1 minute ago, CanadaOne said:

 

It would be my pleasure. I had a Ju-52 gifted to me by a fine Girtish gentleman and I am happy to pass his good intentions along. it's a lovely plane. 

 

Dinner and beer first though. 

 

 

No need, was just a joke   you should better organize a giveaway with nice fun competition attached to it, I will buy it sooner or later. 

[CanadaOne]

11 minutes ago, desolunatic said:

 

No need, was just a joke   you should better organize a giveaway with nice fun competition attached to it, I will buy it sooner or later. 

 

It's my pleasure. It's a very nice plane to fly in rough weather on the Kuban map, especially with the cloud mod.

[CanadaOne]

2 hours ago, desolunatic said:

 

No need, was just a joke   you should better organize a giveaway with nice fun competition attached to it, I will buy it sooner or later. 

 

Enjoy. Let me know if there is a problem with the key. 

[Gambit21]

6 hours ago, PatrickAWlson said:

 

I'm going to differ.  But many of us use the product quite differently.  What we experience is highly dependent on how we use it.  Focus on one area may or may not be of interest to an individual.  For example, I really don't care to much about network code performance.  Somebody who primarily uses the product for MP cares deeply.  AI affects everybody but definitely has a greater impact on the SP experience.  So yes, there are SP and MP guys and their interests and priorities will not necessarily be the same.

 

 

Yep

 

[Yogiflight]

10 hours ago, BraveSirRobin said:

 Same as I paid for a campaign even though I don’t use it.

Yes, but you have access to it, because you paid for it, while MP guys have access to the maps, they did not pay for. That is the difference.

[Mainstay]

I think the game is beautiful. But its starting to show its age like the other flightsim.

 

Some examples:

Groundtextures are very low quality in my opinion.

The fact that we cant get 4 engine bombers due engine constraints says also its suffering.

Fire and smoke effects lack feeling of volume.

The amount of active seperate units in the air during campaign is very low.

 

Personally i think DirectX12 or Vulcan in combination with multi-threaded CPU and memory management benefits will bring great improvements. 

Because its inevitable your gonna run into a wall in the future elsewise...

[HR_Zunzun]

1 hour ago, Yogiflight said:

Yes, but you have access to it, because you paid for it, while MP guys have access to the maps, they did not pay for. That is the difference.

 

Same as you (you have access to all the maps in MP). Whether you use it or not is your preference as a customer.

From a costumer point of view is the same for everybody. Everyone has the same rights and limitations. If anyone, by PERSONAL preference, chose not to use a defined characteristic  of the product then is his/hers own decision.

It is like some of you were asking for two different products; "IL2 GB Single player" and "IL2 GB Multiplayer" each of one with its own limitations and pricing.

[2/JG26_rudidlo]

@CanadaOne, you know the conditions. It's your decision whether you decide to buy or not. Your decision in a second instead of crying here. No one of your comments will solve the situation.

[dburne]

Respectfully there is really nothing to solve.

The way it is now is a business decision 1CGS made some time ago, and considering the success of this series which is still going 

strong I would say they have made good decisions for it.

[CanadaOne]

41 minutes ago, 1stCL/rudidlo said:

@CanadaOne, you know the conditions. It's your decision whether you decide to buy or not. Your decision in a second instead of crying here. No one of your comments will solve the situation.

 

As will "no one of your comments". We're all just voices in the virtual wind, ma man. 

 

And as stated, if the MP situation is such that it requires free stuff in order to populate the servers, stuff that the SP crowd has to pay for to access the way they fly, then the problem lies with the MP.

[216th_Jordan]

2 hours ago, Yogiflight said:

Yes, but you have access to it, because you paid for it, while MP guys have access to the maps, they did not pay for. That is the difference.

 

Initially it was different and MP was severely impacted playability-wise, so availability was made for all players. On MP the server decides what map is chosen and there are not that many servers that offer what most pilots specifically want (as opposed to SP where the pilot has a lot more options), so its a sensible decision to make all maps available in order to let people fly without having to buy everything at once. 

 

If there is a fuss around this issue then I don't understand it.

[CanadaOne]

4 minutes ago, 216th_Jordan said:

 

Initially it was different and MP was severely impacted playability-wise, so availability was made for all players. On MP the server decides what map is chosen and there are not that many servers that offer what most pilots specifically want (as opposed to SP where the pilot has a lot more options), so its a sensible decision to make all maps available in order to let people fly without having to buy everything at once. 

 

If there is a fuss around this issue then I don't understand it.

 

I think the fuss stems not so much from the MP guys getting free maps the SP guys have to pay for - although that is a little weird - but mostly from the argument put forth by some that there shouldn't even be payware maps made available because the MP guys, who won't get them for free, will get all flustered and "the community will be split".

 

 

"Gimme free stuff or I'll get mad!"

 

Not a brilliant argument.

[Lusekofte]

The problem and disagreements started when MP fanboys wanted to deny SP players collector maps. 
I feel now that they try to turn the table. 
It is the same as always, people shoot down things they wont be pleased by And therefore shall no one. 
 

As @Feathered_IV said. I am more focused on improvements than maps and planes myself. I do not fly much anymore. Gameplay in MP is not for me and there is only that much to do in SP. 

Ambitions for this superb game is not tuned on same frequency as mine. 

 

Edited July 15, 2020 by 216th_LuseKofte

[Guest deleted@210880]

On 7/14/2020 at 1:29 AM, Feathered_IV said:

I’m more interested in better gameplay than new maps or aircraft.  

 

I'm more intersted in better gameplay than new maps, or aircraft or graphical improvements (unless they are performance improvements).

 

I read a post that said there was difficulty in the game handling just 4 A20s doing their attack in a certain scenario on a certain map, the CPU load or whatnot being the cause. This to me is a massive limitation and why new aircraft or maps don't really mean so much to me, their added (improvement) value is essentally just for the MP world.

 

Personally for me a more detailed, dynamic and immersive experience for just 8 different aircrafton offer is better than a flawed one for 64 different aircraft on offer*.

 

I can appreciate the massive skill inolved in making what they have so far in BoX but it does feel at times (for SP) like having a garage full of Ferrari, Porsche, Dodge etc and yet just one bumpy track of 2km to drive them on whilst a magpie crows in your ear repeatedly (10km with PWCG).

 

Is a new engine a solution, I don't know. The idea of AI bombers having a simplified FM has been quashed already has it not; I'd totally accept that if it helped though. It's a tricky one for sure and good luck to them in whatever they manage.

 

*But yes I know, 'buy them or nothing changes'.

 

 

 

Generally I've always expect a sim to focus less on graphics and more on realism and what is going on, or what you have to do. i.e. I'm not paying attention to the tree detail so much if I am juggling fuel systems and nursing a damaged engine. On this basis, I think the game looks amazing for what it does, and is certainly not looking dated, for a sim; to compare it to a FPS or adventure game etc. is not a fair comparisson.

 

I don't even run it on top settings.

 

 

Edited July 15, 2020 by deleted@210880

[blue_max]

I would be totally on board with bombers having a simplified FM + tailgunner AI. Keep it as an option. If you really don't like it, just don't put +20 bombers in your missions and the game automatically uses the advanced AI/FM! But indeed, that is the biggest thing for me, I want more stuff in the air. And the colours should be less drab. Higher res ground textures. Stuff like that. No need for super fancy shaders n stuff.

[2/JG26_rudidlo]

1 hour ago, CanadaOne said:

As will "no one of your comments".

Some of my comments in bug reporting helped to solve some bugs.

1 hour ago, CanadaOne said:

And as stated, if the MP situation is such that it requires free stuff in order to populate the servers, stuff that the SP crowd has to pay for to access the way they fly, then the problem lies with the MP.

It's not free. There are maps, dedicated server too, it was paid by all customers regardless they are playing multiplayer or not. You can also host your own server and play on that map by yourself.

[itsbillyfrazier]

The progress il-2 has been made since release has been remarkable, especially so over the last few years.... Since the Kuban map was released, my enthusiasm for this sim reached new levels. Of the hundreds of games i own, this is by far the most special.

 

The passion and commitment this small and unique Dev team has shown over the years is an example to so many others in the industry. So firstly i must  thank them for this.

 

il-2 continues to make me wonder in amazement and I still get butterflies when i play it! (I can only dream of playing this game in VR....someday when i can afford it!)

 

In regards to an engine upgrade, I am no computer expert so I cant really comment on the pro's and con's of moving to a new engine from a technical perspective, although as an end user of sims that have moved to a new engine (Mostly sim racing) , I know its not always a good thing either...

 

Graphically speaking, il-2 is more than adequate for my tastes and the series looks better each year (albeit through small incremental updates) , so it  would not be a big enough reason to move to a new engine (at least for me).

 

I would support the move to a new engine only if it promised to deliver on some significant gameplay experiences which the current engine cannot deliver effectively. Large bomber formations, potential inclusion of infantry/new controllable units/machinery/weaponry/PTO etc. 

 

Ultimately, I have faith that the series is in good hands. I know the Devs/Jason will continue to steer it in the right direction and make the decisions required to keep the series alive and healthy. I also have faith in the community here to help keep them on the right course and support them through such big decisions when they inevitably arrive. 

 

In il-2 we trust.  

 

 

[Yogiflight]

2 hours ago, 216th_Jordan said:

so its a sensible decision to make all maps available in order to let people fly without having to buy everything at once. 

And I am fine with it. I just wanted to point out, there is a difference between SP and MP players. SP players have to pay for everything they use, while MP players get maps to use for free.

There is no possibility for SP players to go on with their career, they started on the Moscow map, on the Stalingrad map, when they didn't purchase BOS. Here is the difference.

For people with low budget, it doesn't really matter, if they have this issue with SP or MP play.

[2/JG26_rudidlo]

1 minute ago, Yogiflight said:

There is no possibility for SP players to go on with their career,

You can launch and host your own server on any map and play there

[Guest deleted@210880]

3 minutes ago, 1stCL/rudidlo said:

You can launch and host your own server on any map and play there

 

That demonstrates why some MP people just don't understand SP people (and vice versa no doubt)

[2/JG26_rudidlo]

5 minutes ago, John_Yossarian said:

 

That demonstrates why some MP people just don't understand SP people (and vice versa no doubt)

That doesn't demonstrate anything.

Those who want seek means, those who don't seek reasons.

[Guest deleted@210880]

14 minutes ago, 1stCL/rudidlo said:

That doesn't demonstrate anything.

Those who want seek means, those who don't seek reasons.

 

I must have misunderstood you then because it seemed you were suggesting someone should run a server for themselves to fly on.

[Chief_Mouser]

17 minutes ago, 1stCL/rudidlo said:

You can launch and host your own server on any map and play there

 

But you can't play your careers or scripted campaigns on it. To do that you have to buy the particular module that contains the map.

 

If you own everything like a lot of us do (including CanadaOne) it doesn't make a blind bit of difference, it only affects those who don't have the full set. And if you look at the badges displayed under our names that's hardly anyone, except for a few new bods and if they get hooked they'll be buying everything anyway. And they'll buy the modules because of the aircraft, not the map.

I find the whole SP v MP thing laughable. Some folks get so defensive about their little bit of Il-2 GB. Just get on with it and have fun.

 

Going back to the OP's original question... I don't think that IL-2 GB requires or would benefit from an engine upgrade. Despite its age it ticks along quite nicely within its limitations.

Where a new engine would be beneficial is if the series ever makes it to the Pacific. Start again with a clean sheet. There aren't enough Pacific-friendly aircraft already released in GB that make me want to go 'Oooh I'm not paying for that AGAIN'.

I'd happily go for a brand new all-improved shiny Pacific sim with a hundred aircraft in the air over a fleet with aircraft carriers at the drop of a hat. Yes please. Now please, before I get too old.

 

Cheers.

[Guest deleted@210880]

4 minutes ago, 216th_Cat said:

 

But you can't play your careers or scripted campaigns on it. To do that you have to buy the particular module that contains the map.

 

If you own everything like a lot of us do (including CanadaOne) it doesn't make a blind bit of difference, it only affects those who don't have the full set. And if you look at the badges displayed under our names that's hardly anyone, except for a few new bods and if they get hooked they'll be buying everything anyway. And they'll buy the modules because of the aircraft, not the map.

I find the whole SP v MP thing laughable. Some folks get so defensive about their little bit of Il-2 GB. Just get on with it and have fun.

 

Going back to the OP's original question... I don't think that IL-2 GB requires or would benefit from an engine upgrade. Despite its age it ticks along quite nicely within its limitations.

Where a new engine would be beneficial is if the series ever makes it to the Pacific. Start again with a clean sheet. There aren't enough Pacific-friendly aircraft already released in GB that make me want to go 'Oooh I'm not paying for that AGAIN'.

I'd happily go for a brand new all-improved shiny Pacific sim with a hundred aircraft in the air over a fleet with aircraft carriers at the drop of a hat. Yes please. Now please, before I get too old.

 

Cheers.

 

I agree greatly with this, except one aspect.

 

If I had the choice of say P51 + fw190 D thingy, or, a map of Malta or Crete or even Leningrad, I would choose the map in that instance. It goes both ways though because I'd opt for a heavy bomber over anything!

 

And of course BoX may not have the right aircraft (cough-clod-cough) for my dream maps there, but I just wanted to demonstrate that the allure of a map can be more than an aircraft for me.

 

 

[BraveSirRobin]

6 hours ago, Yogiflight said:

Yes, but you have access to it, because you paid for it, while MP guys have access to the maps, they did not pay for. That is the difference.

No such thing as MP guys.  We all get access to the same things.  If you choose not to use that access, that’s your problem.

[mattebubben]

I only really play MP (so i guess that makes me a "MP guy...)

 

And i would love if they added additional map packs

 

(and this is something that is bound happen eventually as we will run out of suitable aircraft for particular maps/battles).

 

But i really hope they follow the same model as they currently do where it does not split the MP community since doing otherwise would hurt the MP community

(and if the MP community shrinks that can only hurt IL2 as a whole)

 

and i feel like the current approach help sales rather then hurt them

(because people get to experience the map and thus might decide to buy it to get it in SP also in the same way as they get to see the aircraft they dont own while flying in MP and decide they also want those planes etc)

And just because you can fly on a map in mp does not always mean you can play on everyhing in MP.

 

For example somebody who owns BOS can in theory play on any MP map,

but a lot of servers to historical scenarios where the planesets are limited to a certain timeframe / location,

 

So even even if he could in theory fly on the BOP map for example he either he would have nothing to fly there or what he could fly would be hopelessly obsolete,

so even people who only play MP still buy multiple packs for the sake of the planes.

 

so MP players contribute plenty to the game monetarily.

I would guess that MP players might be more likely to buy collectors aircraft for example. (in order to stay competetive)

 

I cant speak for other MP players,

But personally i dont really care about the map itself but what i care about is the historical scenarios the map allows us to create and the planes we can fly over it,

In the same way that i doubt most of you would be willing to pay for a map that had no career modes or campaigns included where you had to create all your missions yourself.

(which is what MP is)

 

The map alone is nothing since its the campaigns and the career modes etc that make it more then just a landscape to fly over

 

And a significant part of the development time is spent on those campaigns and career modes

since there is a lot of research that needs to be done to map what units were where at what time etc

to build the career mode and campaigns,

 

And i dont think this is a case where one gets free stuff and the other pays for everything.

For example,

I own BOS,BOM,BOK,BOP and BON,

I have tried the Career mode twice in the 6 years i have played Il2 but each time i have only flown 2-3 missions before stopping.

Because its just simply dont enjoy it that much instead i prefer MP.

 

So in every pack i have paid for something i dont use,

that does not mean i think they should stop making the campaign...

Even though the Dev time spent on that could possibly have been used towards making more planes etc.

 

Just because you choose not to play a certain part of the game does not mean that you are being robbed because somebody else enjoys that side.

 

Since even though we prefer different parts of the game we all contribute  and i dont understand why people are attacking eachother for it...

 

But the fact remains... Forcing people in MP to buy a certain map to play on certain maps/servers would hurt the MP community,

While not doing so does not hurt the SP community or the SP experience.

 

 

Edited July 15, 2020 by mattebubben

[Feathered_IV]

11 minutes ago, mattebubben said:

 

But i really hope they follow the same model as they currently do where it does not split the MP community since doing otherwise would hurt the MP community

(and if the MP community shrinks that can only hurt IL2 as a whole)

it would be interesting to see where the game would be as a whole if the SP community shrinks.  

[BraveSirRobin]

3 hours ago, CanadaOne said:

 

I think the fuss stems not so much from the MP guys getting free maps the SP guys have to pay for - although that is a little weird - but mostly from the argument put forth by some that there shouldn't even be payware maps made available because the MP guys, who won't get them for free, will get all flustered and "the community will be split".

 

 

"Gimme free stuff or I'll get mad!"

 

Not a brilliant argument.

 

Most of the “fuss” stems from one particular poster trying to create a problem where there isn’t one.

[Chief_Mouser]

31 minutes ago, John_Yossarian said:

 

If I had the choice of say P51 + fw190 D thingy, or, a map of Malta or Crete or even Leningrad, I would choose the map in that instance. It goes both ways though because I'd opt for a heavy bomber over anything!

 

 

Haha I'm totally with you there ?. I want more maps, especially covering the rest of the Eastern Front where we already have the aircraft. And I really hope that Malta and Sicily (and the accompanying aircraft) is in the works somewhere. Preferably Il-2 GB. And heavy bombers...  ?. Need a whole new engine for that, of course.