None of my trim / rudder controls

[Bobitron]

Work. I'm flying the tempest, pressing the default keys, rebinding the keys, using both the axis and switch rudder trims. The valve on the left which says "rudder" doesn't turn. Doesn't turn for stabilizers either. Already posted to r/hoggit and r/il2. Haven't the faintest clue what the problem is. Don't really know how planes work, maybe the trim is locked until you press something?

Edited May 26, 2020 by Bobitron

[Zooropa_Fly]

Try a forum with Tempest pilots.

 

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[Bobitron]

I'm flying the tempest, pressing the default keys, rebinding the keys, using both the axis and switch rudder trims. The valve on the left which says "rudder" doesn't turn. Doesn't turn for stabilizers either. Already posted to r/hoggit and r/il2. Haven't the faintest clue what the problem is. Don't really know how planes work, maybe the trim is locked until you press something?

[THERION]

4 hours ago, Bobitron said:

I'm flying the tempest, pressing the default keys, rebinding the keys, using both the axis and switch rudder trims. The valve on the left which says "rudder" doesn't turn. Doesn't turn for stabilizers either. Already posted to r/hoggit and r/il2. Haven't the faintest clue what the problem is. Don't really know how planes work, maybe the trim is locked until you press something?

 

Well, some trims are possible to bind to buttons or axis. So, it is very important to keep this in mind, when you map your key bindings. Here is an example:

 

 

As you can see here, you have to ways of trimming your aircraft. You have to define both, even if you will use only one of these options.

There is no choice of the one or the other, you need to define them both.

 

And something you should also check is, the realism settings just before you start flying - any assistant will interfere with you inputs, so here is what

I'm talking about:

 

 

On the left you have some realism presets - Normal, Expert and Custom. All green option boxes correspond to the colour of the preset you choose.

As soon as you modify some of them like I did, you will create a Custom preset. Now for case, I'd strongly suggest to check all the options I've

marked here in red. You better deactivate them all, even if you're a beginner.

 

To still have some assistance, you better check the option "Handling tips" - this will always give you some hints and tips on how you to fly your

plane correctly.

 

But don't forget - if you go to fly on multiplayer, all your settings will be overridden depending on the settings of the server you join.

 

Hope my input will help you.

 

Cheerio

 

[Bobitron]

I did all that ?

[-332FG-Gordon200]

I can confirm the trim buttons no longer work. Only axes adjustments now work to trim elevator and ailerons. I brought this up a month ago and it was dismissed as a failure on my part to understand the workings of various aircraft.

 

 

[cardboard_killer]

Are the buttons working for another control as a test? With the tempest, try binding each to the radiator and see if each button works controlling the radiator.

31 minutes ago, Gordon200 said:

I can confirm the trim buttons no longer work.

 

Trim switches never worked on the Tempest. They only work on a couple of planes, the Pe-2 for example.

[-332FG-Gordon200]

42 minutes ago, cardboard_killer said:

Trim switches never worked on the Tempest

They don't work for German aircraft such as Bf110 and Fw190s either.

It's not Tempest specific. Push and hold buttons worked to control pitch and aileron trim before 4.005.

[56RAF_Roblex]

1 hour ago, cardboard_killer said:

Are the buttons working for another control as a test? With the tempest, try binding each to the radiator and see if each button works controlling the radiator.

 

Trim switches never worked on the Tempest. They only work on a couple of planes, the Pe-2 for example.

 

What exactly do you mean?  I have trim on one of my joystick hats. is that not a switch?   It is not a axis.  In fact *every* plane I fly is trimmed that way.

[Bobitron]

I can't see anything happening for radiator controls. Although I'm not sure which radiator a tempest uses, oil or water.

 

Flaps, gear, throttle/rpm/mixture, and supercharger for example work on all planes. Advanced flight control of elevators/ailerons/rudder/yaw, plus the radiator doesn't work on any. Pretty unplayable.

Edited May 26, 2020 by Bobitron

[cardboard_killer]

1 hour ago, 56RAF_Roblex said:

What exactly do you mean? 

 

In the key mappings there are Trim Axis maps and Trim Switch maps. Some planes, such as the Pe-2, use a switch to adjust trim. Most planes use wheels (an "axis").

 

 

29 minutes ago, Bobitron said:

I can't see anything happening for radiator controls.

 

So the joystick/throttle button isn't working for other controls you try mapping it to?

 

Nor is the default key binding  for trim working (e.g. left control + Z or X increases or decreases rudder trim)?

 

I'm at a loss. Trimming is straightforward on the Tempest.

[Bobitron]

Yes, I don't see anything change in  the cockpit or out whether I  rebind or not.

[unreasonable]

It might help if you told us what joystick etc you are using and which buttons or axes you are trying to bind.

 

Buttons work for adjustable stabilizers on my G940, (eg 109s, SE5) and the trim specific axes on that joystick now work for elevator, aileron and rudder trim (no aileron trim on Tempest anyway) - they did not used to so this is a big improvement. 

[Bobitron]

I am using mouse (bought game for $15, not going to spend $50 on a controller yet). I used  both the default LCtrl+X/LCtrl+Y and rebound to WASD.

 

I guess I could just randomly experiment more. Ugh. Would it help if I recorded a video? I'd have to find some way to record keyboard presses too.

Edited May 26, 2020 by Bobitron

[-332FG-Gordon200]

4 minutes ago, unreasonable said:

It might help if you told us what joystick etc you are using and which buttons or axes you are trying to bind.

I am using a new VKB Gunfighter Modern Combat Pro joystick and a Virpil MongoosT50 throttle. No matter which button I use to map for pitch and aileron trim I get no reaction in game. Doesn't matter if I use the in game key mapping or joytokey I get no pitch or aileron trim to function. In game mapping attempts show input from my devices but do not work.

Yes, I know not to have in game and joytokey mapped at the same time. I'm expressing that I have tried other devices and other methods with no success.

[unreasonable]

11 minutes ago, Bobitron said:

I am using mouse (bought for $15, not going to spend $50 on a controller yet). I used  both the default LCtrl+X/LCtrl+Y and rebound to WASD.

 

I guess I could just randomly experiment more. Ugh.

 

OK - never used mouse control myself, but I would be a bit surprised if mouse control did not automatically turn on all the helpers, since the PC is actually flying the aircraft, you are just telling it where you want to go, in which case trim would not be under human control, but perhaps someone else can shed more light on that.

 

11 minutes ago, Gordon200 said:

I am using a new VKB Gunfighter Modern Combat Pro joystick and a Virpil MongoosT50 throttle. No matter which button I use to map for pitch and aileron trim I get no reaction in game. Doesn't matter if I use the in game key mapping or joytokey I get no pitch or aileron trim to function. In game mapping attempts show input from my devices but do not work.

Yes, I know not to have in game and joytokey mapped at the same time. I'm expressing that I have tried other devices and other methods with no success.

 

Have you tried the official support?  I'm pretty much stumped by that. What I usually do when having mapping problems (which has happened for no apparent reason) is just delete as many as possible, (in this case all of the trim related entries, including defaults) restart the game and map and test them them one at a time from scratch.  

 

[-332FG-Gordon200]

@unreasonable This problem began for me shortly before release of 4.005b. After release of 4.005c the problem remained and I did a complete fresh install of everything on new M.2 SSD. Fresh game, latest drivers and no mods or joytokey. Pitch and aileron trim can only be adjusted using axes no matter the aircraft or button assignment or device used for input.

[Bobitron]

You can disable all of the auto controls for mouse so I would  be very much surprised if they don't let you control trim when you do. I mean some takeoffs and landings are very difficult without it.

[unreasonable]

13 minutes ago, Bobitron said:

You can disable all of the auto controls for mouse so I would  be very much surprised if they don't let you control trim when you do. I mean some takeoffs and landings are very difficult without it.

 

Well I just changed over my control setting to mouse control with no helper boxes ticked - and none of the trim commands work. They work when I set control back to the joystick.

As I said - mouse control is not flying the aircraft, only telling it where to go.

 

6 minutes ago, -=-THERION said:

 

The FW190 elevator trim is controlled via button switch - this works perfectly as it should and you can observer the switch

and the trim tab indicatior on the left side panel of your cockpit.

As for the BF109 elevator trim works again as it should via trim wheel resp. trim axis - so as for the Tempest too.

 

 

Being pedantic - neither of these has elevator trim, they have adjustable stabilizer (sure you know that) which can be mapped to up/down buttons - I use them all the time. Same with the SE5   These can also be mapped onto an axis now, I believe, although I prefer the buttons.

 

27 minutes ago, Gordon200 said:

@unreasonable This problem began for me shortly before release of 4.005b. After release of 4.005c the problem remained and I did a complete fresh install of everything on new M.2 SSD. Fresh game, latest drivers and no mods or joytokey. Pitch and aileron trim can only be adjusted using axes no matter the aircraft or button assignment or device used for input.

 

Yes that is correct. At least the default keyboard commands no longer work on my set up and binding keys to adjust trim is recognized in the menu but has no effect in game.  Not sure if my copying over my old input folder has anything to do with that or whether this is working as intended. Hence it might be a good idea to ask official support if you have not already.

 

So the simplest way to control trim is to use three axes, one doing double duty for stab control and elevator trim. I have dedicated trim axes on my stick, lucky me. Not sure what I would do if I did not have those.

[Bobitron]

I thought that mouse could control pitch + roll while keyboard controls yaw, kinda how Ace Combat works on a "Playbox" controller... that really sucks, maybe I can use PS4 controller or keyboard-only instead? Both sound like a bad joke though.

 

Where exactly is the third axis on a flight stick? Never actually held one, I thought pedals were for the third axis.

Edited May 26, 2020 by Bobitron

[unreasonable]

5 hours ago, Bobitron said:

I thought that mouse could control pitch + roll while keyboard controls yaw, kinda how Ace Combat works on a "Playbox" controller... that really sucks, maybe I can use PS4 controller or keyboard-only instead? Both sound like a bad joke though.

 

Where exactly is the third axis on a flight stick? Never actually held one, I thought pedals were for the third axis.

 

Pedals are the best choice for controlling yaw, some joysticks can be twisted to do it. That works OK, some very good players use twisty sticks, but is much harder to do precisely - I also found it made my wrists ache, even more than usual. 

 

Some joysticks also have extra dials on the base that can be used as trim controls, or hat switches that work as axes.

 

I see in the bug report forum that the buttons for trim issue is claimed to have been fixed in the last update - it is not in my PC, but anyway I do not think that it would affect mouse control.

 

My advice, if you like the graphics etc and want to learn to fly the sim, get a very cheap joystick for pitch and roll, and use the auto rudder helper option. Trim on keyboard buttons should work, if not now then soon, as a developer has answered a bug report about it.  Maybe later invest in rudder pedals if you get hooked.   

[Bobitron]

It's still broken. But perhaps more importantly, I tried unbinding pitch+roll but the game still uses default mouse controls regardless. Is there any way to play with just the bindings I decide and not have any fixed mouse behavior? Because I'd much, much rather use even a keyboard to control roll+pitch than  just "tell the plane to go" and not actually have any control over how it does so. That kills most maneuvers, even Robocraft and Ace Combat have real roll+pitch instead of "go there lol". There's not much to the game if you can't control how the plane gets from point A to B. Better off with no mouse option at all, only keyboard or joystick.

 

I'm not going to spend $60 on a stick. I wouldn't use it for any other game and for the same price I could buy another board game I would likely obsess over for weeks... from what I'm hearing it really seems not too different from a mouse except you don't have to "reset" by lifting the mouse when you reach the end of the pad. And it's "realistic" but I don't care. Oh yeah, and that for some reason the game decides you have to play in Ultra-Baby Mode if you own a mouse and can't rebind it unlike every other game.

Edited May 27, 2020 by Bobitron

[losa]

Can confirm this on a new 2021 installation, on my joystick(TM16000), I used to map pov 0/pov180 for adjustable stabilizer up and down, but now they don't work anymore, I have tried all settings with the pov cap for axis only, switch only, both axis and switch, none of them work, the mapping showed up in setting screen but no effect in game. And sure the default mappings don't work either. Lately I found out when I set a slider on the joystick to the stabilizer axis, it works, but I have only one slider and it is not that accurate, I would prefer to use my pov cap for trim management. So definitely this is a bug, using pov worked before, I'm just surprised that it hadn't been fix until now.

 

Edit: don't know why, after restart the game and remap the pov, it worked again. Have no idea what has changed.

Edited August 29, 2021 by losa

[Get_ya_leakin]

On 5/26/2020 at 5:57 AM, THERION said:

 

Well, some trims are possible to bind to buttons or axis. So, it is very important to keep this in mind, when you map your key bindings. Here is an example:

 

 

As you can see here, you have to ways of trimming your aircraft. You have to define both, even if you will use only one of these options.

There is no choice of the one or the other, you need to define them both.

 

And something you should also check is, the realism settings just before you start flying - any assistant will interfere with you inputs, so here is what

I'm talking about:

 

 

On the left you have some realism presets - Normal, Expert and Custom. All green option boxes correspond to the colour of the preset you choose.

As soon as you modify some of them like I did, you will create a Custom preset. Now for case, I'd strongly suggest to check all the options I've

marked here in red. You better deactivate them all, even if you're a beginner.

 

To still have some assistance, you better check the option "Handling tips" - this will always give you some hints and tips on how you to fly your

plane correctly.

 

But don't forget - if you go to fly on multiplayer, all your settings will be overridden depending on the settings of the server you join.

 

Hope my input will help you.

 

Cheerio

 

@THERIONTHERION what platform/version are you running that gives you that particular display? My realism option screen has the default look. Also, I toggled the gyro/torque effect to 'off', but the plane still twists to the right from the torque of the engine. Thanks.

[THERION]

16 hours ago, Get_ya_leakin said:

@THERIONTHERION what platform/version are you running that gives you that particular display? My realism option screen has the default look. Also, I toggled the gyro/torque effect to 'off', but the plane still twists to the right from the torque of the engine. Thanks.

 

I run my system on Win10 and I use the latest version of IL2 Great Battles - the screenshots are actually from the game's actual version. I don't know
what you mean with default look (maybe NORMAL realism settings?). Anyway, I use these settings and key bindings/axis bindings and everything
works as it should.

[Get_ya_leakin]

@THERION this is what my layout looks like. I should say that it is the cliffs of dover version, and I've had it quite a long time.

Edited February 23, 2022 by Get_ya_leakin
Words

[THERION]

4 minutes ago, Get_ya_leakin said:

@THERION this is what my layout looks like. I should say that it is the cliffs of dover version, and I've had it quite a long time.

 

OK, wait a minute - you're in the wrong forum here. You are talking about "IL2 Sturmovik - Cliffs of Dover", but we are actually in the forum of 
IL-2 Sturmovik - Great Battles, which is a completely different sim/game. I know, the name might be some kind of confusing. So you should
definitively move to the corresponding sub forum on this site and I'm sure you will find some help there. Sorry mate.

Cheerio