=X51=VC_ 109 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, I./JG52_Woutwocampe said: You are probably correct, I think the griffon engine was at first an answer for a powerful low alt engine request but later they added a two speed supercharger. But are clipped wings crippling the performances at high atl a bit in favor of a better roll rate? Not sure at all about that. The Griffon was originally a response to a Royal Navy requirement and it was indeed a low altitude engine in early versions. The Spitfire Mk XII used this and that did have issues with high altitude (though it didn't stop it running down V-1s down low). By the time of the XIV though it had two-stage, two-speed superchargers, max power up to at 24,000 feet. Clipped wings reduce drag across the board, what they do though is also reduce turn rate and this is especially noticeable at high altitude. The clipped wing XIVs were not especially low level specialised, they were usually recon variants, so a "speed above all else" requirement. Either clipped or regular wing XIV will be a monster at every altitude. Edited June 12, 2020 by =X51=VC_ 1 Link to post Share on other sites
I./JG52_Woutwocampe 135 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 2 hours ago, =X51=VC_ said: The Griffon was originally a response to a Royal Navy requirement and it was indeed a low altitude engine in early versions. The Spitfire Mk XII used this and that did have issues with high altitude (though it didn't stop it running down V-1s down low). By the time of the XIV though it had two-stage, two-speed superchargers, max power up to at 24,000 feet. Clipped wings reduce drag across the board, what they do though is also reduce turn rate and this is especially noticeable at high altitude. The clipped wing XIVs were not especially low level specialised, they were usually recon variants, so a "speed above all else" requirement. Either clipped or regular wing XIV will be a monster at every altitude. Talking about late war RAF monsters, I cant help but wonder or insanely good at low/med alt a Tempest mark I would have been. Too bad the Napier Sabre IV was plagued with issues. Link to post Share on other sites
gimpy117 162 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 the fact that hopefully we can get pacific after Link to post Share on other sites
Yogiflight 1170 Posted June 12, 2020 Share Posted June 12, 2020 3 hours ago, =[TIA]=Stoopy said: I've been wondering, in addition to the "early" Bf109 G-6 collector plane, and the "late" Bf109 G-6 plane in BoN, will we at some point get an "on time" version of the Bf109 G-6? Or is that variant so square and nerdy that no one will talk to it at the party? Early is the male version, late the female version, on time clearly is the german version 1 Link to post Share on other sites
sevenless 2376 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 18 hours ago, I./JG52_Woutwocampe said: You are probably correct, I think the griffon engine was at first an answer for a powerful low alt engine request but later they added a two speed supercharger. But are clipped wings crippling the performances at high atl a bit in favor of a better roll rate? Not sure at all about that. Ze germans will be in a world of hurt against this monster: http://www.spitfireperformance.com/spit14v109.html 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites
Bremspropeller 2443 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 ...and against a possible Mustang III at 81.5 inches... 1 Link to post Share on other sites
=X51=VC_ 109 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 26 minutes ago, Bremspropeller said: ...and against a possible Mustang III at 81.5 inches... Why would a Mustang III be running higer boost than the 51D we already have? Link to post Share on other sites
JediMaster 15 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 I'm looking forward to the broken coop server being fixed. That will rock. Link to post Share on other sites
Bremspropeller 2443 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, =X51=VC_ said: Why would a Mustang III be running higer boost than the 51D we already have? Because: Quote Those RAF Mustang units tasked with defending against the V-1 were modified to operated at +25 lbs./sq.in. - the equivalent of 80" Hg. 21 22 On 24 August 1944, by which time the V-1 threat had subsided, the Ministry of Aircraft Production directed Rolls Royce: "all Packard Merlin V.1650-7 engines to be modified to operate at 25 lbs. boost". 23 Raising the WER rating from 67" Hg to 80" Hg increased Sea Level speed by 30 mph. 24 On 18 September 1944 ADGB noted, that with respect to the Mustang III/Packard Merlin 1650-7, "A total of over 7,000 hours have been flown at a maximum boost pressure of + 25 lbs./sq. in.". 25 The RAF's Mustang Pilot's Notes gives the Combat Engine Limitation as "81 ins. boost for 5 minutes when using 150 grade fuel". 26 Combat Reports and Squadron Operations Record Books show 150 Grade fuel and +25 lbs boost was used operationally over the continent by UK based Mustangs of ADGB. 27 28 http://www.wwiiaircraftperformance.org/mustang/mustangtest.html 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites
=X51=VC_ 109 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 That's terrifying, and quite cool! Wonder if it will be implemented like that, or some reasons given to not do it in game. Link to post Share on other sites
Bremspropeller 2443 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 Well, let me put it this way: The Mustang III wasn't particularily well-liked by IL-2 '46 Luftwaffe players Link to post Share on other sites
=621=Samikatz 574 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 21 minutes ago, =X51=VC_ said: That's terrifying, and quite cool! Wonder if it will be implemented like that, or some reasons given to not do it in game. We're gonna get V-1s, why not have Anti-Diver settings for all the relevant aircraft? The Mosquito and Spitfire should also get up-rated boost for it, as I recall Link to post Share on other sites
=X51=VC_ 109 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 20 minutes ago, Bremspropeller said: Well, let me put it this way: The Mustang III wasn't particularily well-liked by IL-2 '46 Luftwaffe players I guess it's not much the Tempest doesn't do already, so in that sense the Luftwaffe already has a match. Link to post Share on other sites
Bremspropeller 2443 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 1 minute ago, =X51=VC_ said: I guess it's not much the Tempest doesn't do already, so in that sense the Luftwaffe already has a match. It's the middle-ground between the Tempest and Spitfire XIV - pretty much throughout all altitude layers. That means it's competitive as hell and scary everywhere. Link to post Share on other sites
41Sqn_Skipper 200 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 Armament is weak though. Link to post Share on other sites
Bremspropeller 2443 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 22 minutes ago, 41Sqn_Skipper said: Armament is weak though. Depends - when you're hitting the right thing at convergence-range, it's devastating. But you could also pepper two or three airplanes in a dogfight, be shot down by a fourth (in a single pass, of course) and have the other airplanes fly back to base and land... Link to post Share on other sites
=X51=VC_ 109 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 1 hour ago, 41Sqn_Skipper said: Armament is weak though. 56 minutes ago, Bremspropeller said: Depends - when you're hitting the right thing at convergence-range, it's devastating. But you could also pepper two or three airplanes in a dogfight, be shot down by a fourth (in a single pass, of course) and have the other airplanes fly back to base and land... .50s feel really inconsistent recently regardless of how many you have. I've had short burst instant fires with only 4 of them on the P-40, other times spray all 8 from a P-47 and just get an angry enemy reversing on me. I think Bremspropeller is right though, they are just harder to use because you need to land a consistent burst at convergence, not expect kills or even crippling hits from snapshots. I was looking forward to the P-51B/C anyway because I know they were lighter than the Ds and hence had better performance even on same engine settings, plus razorback Mustangs look way better. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites
-=PHX=-SuperEtendard 1462 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 On 6/12/2020 at 3:36 PM, Asgar said: not an expert, but wasn't the bubbletop only on Mk XVI? The Mk XVI had the US made Packard Merlin, late ones got the bubble but it wasn't exclusive on this version, other variants such as the Mk XIV and even Mk IX got it as well towards the end of the war Link to post Share on other sites
]LH[Tony_Kito 187 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 All these dudes talking about cutting-edge fighters and I just want this baby To quote a fellow Havoc pilot: "I need that G" - Gambit21, 2019 2 4 Link to post Share on other sites
DN308 217 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 (edited) Sure we need a G or H Edited June 13, 2020 by DN308 Link to post Share on other sites
Avimimus 667 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 4 hours ago, =621=Samikatz said: We're gonna get V-1s, why not have Anti-Diver settings for all the relevant aircraft? The Mosquito and Spitfire should also get up-rated boost for it, as I recall Interesting idea. 1 hour ago, DN308 said: Sure we need a G or H Do not forget the Boston III - very relevant for the Channel map... the RAF even used cannon armed Bostons as intruders (although I think those might have been IVs). 3 hours ago, 41Sqn_Skipper said: Armament is weak though. What are you talking about? **Looks perplexed while sitting in a Mig-3 cockpit...** Link to post Share on other sites
=X51=VC_ 109 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 Just now, Avimimus said: What are you talking about? **Looks perplexed while sitting in a Mig-3 cockpit...** You mean the plane that has tracerless dual ShVAK 20mm in a 1941 planeset and stealth vaporises things? Link to post Share on other sites
Avimimus 667 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 Just now, =X51=VC_ said: You mean the plane that has tracerless dual ShVAK 20mm in a 1941 planeset and stealth vaporises things? Pah! There were relatively few ShVAK armed ones... and the wing gunpods lower performance (which gets marginal during 1942 against Bf-109Gs or Fw-190s at lower altitudes)! The only way to fly the Mig-3 realistically and effectively is to use the default armament! In fact, I'd forgotten that other people don't fly it with only the 1x12.7mm and 2x7.62mm! P.S. The same goes for the Mc.202... one shouldn't really be flying it with the cannons. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
DN308 217 Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 30 minutes ago, Avimimus said: Do not forget the Boston III - very relevant for the Channel map... the RAF even used cannon armed Bostons as intruders (although I think those might have been IVs). I guess doing a version really near and with some options, we would have both (Boston III or IV and Havoc G or H) Link to post Share on other sites
Jaegermeister 845 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 (edited) On 6/12/2020 at 12:17 AM, MarderIV said: We really need to start over in terms of mission generation, but I suspect the devs position on the ME is highly entrenched. Both from a practical and cost perspective. The general idea has always been that the community will create their own content as needed. The people that feel the need to learn the tools provided can figure it out with additional community input. Hence this Forum. Back OT though... Apparently similar to some others here I am most looking forward to the Mustang B/C (B/C is an abbreviation for Before Canopy BTW) The Mustang D is such a glamour queen that no one really wants to fly it. It's kind of boring because there is so little to complain about. Great range, decent maneuverability, decent firepower, handles nice, easy to land, roomy cockpit, simple settings and controls and drives like a Cadillac. Oh and it looks clean and sleek and shiny. What's not to like? The Mustang B on the other hand is a bit under armed and prone to gun jamming. It should haul ass like an early '70s muscle car, but without the refinement of the more "Grand National" like D model. The warm, dull OD paint and kind of limited vision should make the cockpit feel nice and cozy like you can nestle down in the armor plate with a cognac and a cigar and just let your radiators get shot to heck before you glide back over the front lines to safety. I think the cockpit photo will have to be a furry dog sleeping by the fireplace. I have always been kind of a cr@p plane fan, and I would fly the P-40 a lot more except it can't really keep up with anything besides the Stuka. The Before Canopy Mustang should fill that fast hot rod niche nicely and keep me entertained for quite a while now that I have worn the paint off the seat of my P-38. I am most of the way through reading the B/C model flight manual and the only thing I have found that stands out is that it appears not to have the notorious fuselage gas tank that you have to burn half the fuel out of before you can pull more than a 1.2 g turn. Edited June 20, 2020 by Jaegermeister 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Semor76 624 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 (edited) On 6/13/2020 at 9:16 PM, ]LH[Tony_Kito said: All these dudes talking about cutting-edge fighters and I just want this baby To quote a fellow Havoc pilot: "I need that G" - Gambit21, 2019 ..and I am looking forward for this (hopefully flyable one day) baby. Thats true 2 engine plane porn. Edited June 20, 2020 by Semor76 Link to post Share on other sites
Caudron431 243 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 (edited) To tell the truth there's something about a plane i never got: this comment about the P51 that would be something (horrible) like the "cadillac of the sky"🤔 Anyone knows where this comes from? Then there are dudes that named a car the mustang, and while it's cool and all (depending the model and year) still i cannot see it looking like a P51... All that also to say, among all the things coming with Normandy, there's something in particular, so cool that it was a car it would without any doubt be a corvette 63, so beautiful only its Allison engined brothers look better: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZG6_z3sQnk Edited June 20, 2020 by Caudron431Rafale Link to post Share on other sites
Jaegermeister 845 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 21 minutes ago, Caudron431Rafale said: To tell the truth there's something about a plane i never got: this comment about the P51 that would be something (horrible) like the "cadillac of the sky" Anyone knows where this comes from? Yeah, when you say it "drives like a Cadillac" it means it is smooth, comfortable, roomy and solid, with all the accessories you might want. It comes from back in the '50s and '60s when the Cadillac was a top quality automobile, not the junk they put out in the '70s with crushed velour bench seats and fake spare tires on the trunk. 21 minutes ago, Caudron431Rafale said: Then there are dudes that named a car the mustang, and while it's cool and all (depending the model and year) still i cannot see it looking like a P51... No one ever said it looked like the plane. They just thought the name was cool. https://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/115825189/is-it-a-horse-is-it-a-plane-how-the-ford-mustang-got-its-name#:~:text=The vast majority of automotive,fan of the P-51. 21 minutes ago, Caudron431Rafale said: All that also to say, among all the things coming with Normandy, there's something in particular, so cool that it was a car it would without any doubt be a corvette 63, so beautiful only its Allison engined brothers look better: Only if you are a Chevy fan... We agree on the plane though. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Gambit21 5629 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 7 hours ago, Caudron431Rafale said: To tell the truth there's something about a plane i never got: this comment about the P51 that would be something (horrible) like the "cadillac of the sky"🤔 Anyone knows where this comes from? Reference from a movie - Empire of the Sun. In the movie, in a prior scene, there was an old magazine I think that had an article “P-51, Cadillac of the Sky” Link to post Share on other sites
US63_SpadLivesMatter 831 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 (edited) I'm most looking forward to Normandy going 50% off so I can eventually fly that sweet 410 with you guys. "The volkswagon of the sky!" Edited June 21, 2020 by US63_SpadLivesMatter 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Haza 791 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 3 hours ago, US63_SpadLivesMatter said: I'm most looking forward to Normandy going 50% off so I can eventually fly that sweet 410 with you guys. "The volkswagon of the sky!" 'VW of the sky'? Obviously the 410 will not have any emmision issues!? Regards Link to post Share on other sites
US63_SpadLivesMatter 831 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 6 hours ago, Haza said: 'VW of the sky'? Obviously the 410 will not have any emmision issues!? Regards Not on paper! Link to post Share on other sites
Tobi_der_Ossi 22 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 Im still hoping for the bocage. Some panzer 4 vs Sherman Action in all those hedges near the beach and also to drive a tiger tank through Villiers bocage. From the Planes im most looking forward for the Me410 and the Arado. Link to post Share on other sites
SMARTAZZ 167 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 26 minutes ago, Tobi_der_Ossi said: Im still hoping for the bocage. Some panzer 4 vs Sherman Action in all those hedges near the beach and also to drive a tiger tank through Villiers bocage. From the Planes im most looking forward for the Me410 and the Arado. Agree but my planes of choice, the TYPHOON and Mosquito! Link to post Share on other sites
Irishratticus72 239 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 11 minutes ago, SMARTAZZ said: Agree but my planes of choice, the TYPHOON and Mosquito! Tiffies are sex. With wings. Except for the car door, you can keep that. 1 Link to post Share on other sites
sevenless 2376 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 9 hours ago, Haza said: 'VW of the sky'? Obviously the 410 will not have any emmision issues!? Regards I heard they already had emissioncontrolsystems back then. Pure mechanically working of course, because they couldn't find a way to stuff Konrad Zuses Z3 in the trunk. 😉 Link to post Share on other sites
MattS 1122 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 22 hours ago, Jaegermeister said: Yeah, when you say it "drives like a Cadillac" it means it is smooth, comfortable, roomy and solid, with all the accessories you might want. It comes from back in the '50s and '60s when the Cadillac was a top quality automobile, not the junk they put out in the '70s with crushed velour bench seats and fake spare tires on the trunk. TRIGGERRED! Those Cadillacs were just so bad. My Dad had an Eldorado with the 4-6-8 engine and I don't think it ever ran on more than 4 cylinders LOL. Everything on the inside was just the shoddiest metalized plastic trash that you could imagine. Sad days for Detroit. I agree on how nice the P-51D is...also looking forward to the more rustic earlier version. With Malcolm Hood if possible! Link to post Share on other sites
sevenless 2376 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, MattS said: With Malcolm Hood if possible! It is a must have. Can't imagine the Mustang III without it. Edited June 21, 2020 by sevenless 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites
Irishratticus72 239 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, sevenless said: It is a must have. Can't imagine the Mustang III without it. Honestly, I think the MK III was the aesthetically most pleasing. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites
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