Its time for the Ju87 D-5 ! (20mm Stuka with StuVi)

[KG_S_Kalle_Kalutz82]

The topic under "suggestions":

 

I would definitly pay for it more when it comes as collector plane, but hey - if its ever going to be implemented in a future expansion pack, also fine.

[FoxbatRU]

Better Ju 87 B/R.

[Avimimus]

I'd like to see it as part of a variants expansion pack (Boston Mk.III, Bf-110G with 30mm cannon, Ju-87D5, Pe-3...) or as part of a late war '44-'45 Eastern European pack...

[Jade_Monkey]

I wouldn't mind seeing it in a future expansion, but i did not vote because i dont want that misinterpreted as "I want it in a future expansion".

[KG_S_Kalle_Kalutz82]

Thank you all so far for your responses.

 

Keep it up guys

[sevenless]

On 5/4/2020 at 2:35 PM, FoxbatRU said:

Better Ju 87 B/R.

 

Yep. Would love to see that for BoM. D5 could/should arrive when (if) we ever get an 44/45 eastfront expansion.

[Cybermat47]

Love using the D-5 in War Thunder, I’ll probably love it even more in GBS.

[Trooper117]

Ju 87b... enough said!

[Dutchvdm]

24 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

Ju 87b... enough said!

Agree. For both Moscow and Stalingrad the B-2 or R model would be the best option. 
 

Grt M

[KG_S_Kalle_Kalutz82]

10 hours ago, sevenless said:

 

Yep. Would love to see that for BoM. D5 could/should arrive when (if) we ever get an 44/45 eastfront expansion.

 

The D5 was build since May 1943

At least IF its comming, I will be very happy!

[Lusekofte]

Honestly. Any slow attackplane for late war is a suicide aluminum casket. That is why I want it.  But I want a B much more I want earl war when attack planes like Stuka had a point. Not being obsolete. 
By the time D5 was around it was more needed having FW 190 or more advance medium bombers. Well in reality they needed a better fighter force. 
You need in mp servers something to get fast away after dropping bombs. You do not want to hang around strafing with tracers that can be seen miles away in a slow plane

Edited May 22, 2020 by 216th_LuseKofte

[KG_S_Kalle_Kalutz82]

Yeah, the Stuka was very succesful used til 1945, as on the overstreched fronts they not always had enemy fighter contact.

Indeed, many Stuka pilots shot down several fighters by themself.

And no, by no means I say its a suitable plane for the fighter stuff.

On a little crowded square, called multiplayer map - off course it will have issues.

So does the Ju52 and I love to fly it too

 

Beside of my personal reference regarding the dive bomber - I really think an upgraded version could be reasonable.

We also have 3 variants of the IL-2 in the game.

 

Greetings

[=FEW=Hauggy]

Very succesful until 45? Not really. The concept and the plane was outdated pretty early on and would only be really useful if aerial superiority was achieved.

There's no denying that without fighter cover these were sitting ducks.

 I honestly think it's a waste of time and efforts and would rather have a B/R for Moscow / early war scenarios like some of the other pilots in here, with perhaps more detailed damage and i'm thinking about the landing gear so we could have explosive charges modelled to jettison the remaining one.

[KG_S_Kalle_Kalutz82]

@=FEW=Hauggy

 

I agree with the proposed landing gear stuff, that would nice to have indeed.

 

I dont agree with your other statement, that Stuka's were not succesful until the end of the war. In many books I've read on this topic (recently, 2 days ago I received an other Stuka book I ordered earlier) its not described as you stating it.

Everywhere where the german air force operated (tactical not strategical wise), the air superiority was quiet fast achieved til 1944 (with some exceptions) - problem was: overstretched fronts in comparison to the alliied plane production output. Mostly trouble was, the Luftwaffe could not be everywhere, what was going to be more and more the case until the end and losses could not get replenished as needed. So the decline was definitly there, but other branches felt it as well.

 

But in every case, to our argument here:

it does not matter really, cause

a) every bomber/cas/transport plane is a sitting duck without fighter support

and

b) in this our game, we can organise actually fighter cover

 

Again, nobody complains about a Ju52 or PO-2, I actually think they are useful planes in their own regard.

An upgraded StuKa would be nice for the game, so honestly I would prefer the D-5 over the B-variants, but I guess that is depending also on how (in which new DLC -> map -> time era)

it would be implemented.

 

Would it be a waste of time as you mentioned?

Than again, I can just point out to the Ju52 or PO-2 - NOT a waste of a time in my opinion, even the PO-2 was outsourced as I can remember.

 

We both made out points, sorry for long writing, was in writing mood

 

 

[FoxbatRU]

Generally agree. It all depends on the set of aircraft in the DLC. If there will be a Battle for Berlin with the Soviet Yak-3 and La-7, then I will be glad to the 5th Dora and her night modifications.

[Pict]

If someone is prepared to fly it, I'm sure plenty of others will be happy to shoot it down, it'd certainly make nice canon fodder for the new Yak-9T  

 

But as has already been pointed out, for the current maps we have a B version would be more fitting and that would make nice canon fodder for the upcoming Hurricane MK.II  

[LLv24_SukkaVR]

D-5 would be nice as a collector plane, but i would be happy even if we got just the Stuvi sight for our D-3 and Ju-88

[ATAG_SKUD]

22 minutes ago, LLv24_Sukka24 said:

D-5 would be nice as a collector plane, but i would be happy even if we got just the Stuvi sight for our D-3 and Ju-88

Could someone post info on the Stuvi. I'm having trouble finding anything very informative on it.

Thanks

skud

[BMA_FlyingShark]

Me too, I would like to learn more about the Stuvi.

You see people asking to get it in the game here and there on the forum but when google-ing it, I find not much info about it.

What is it? How does it look like? And, most importantly, what does it do?

 

Have a nice day.

 

[JG4_dingsda]

@ATAG_SKUD, @FlyingShark:

It shows deflection in a dive bombing attack. You can get an idea here. It is in German, though, but google-translate might help. If you want to see some more pictures, search for „Sturzvisier“; Stuvi is an abbreviation.

 

(I am away from my computer and don‘t like typing on a phone too much, so these short hints will have to suffice. )

Edited June 20, 2020 by JG4_dingsda

[BMA_FlyingShark]

Thank you very much, vielen dank.

 

Although I can't speak German anymore, I still understand it enough to read the article.

 

Have a nice day.

 

[ATAG_SKUD]

thanks Dingsda!?

[LLv26_Junnu]

I miss the stukas 20mm cannons, so good plane to shoot spits and mustangs down! Now I must play dogfights D3 with only mg pods...

[TFS_Knuckles]

I also looking forward for D5 for many years, I'm thinking about many things installed in D5, especially, 20mm cannon, the shutoff valve for each water system of air coolers, convert to D8 (for night bombing purpose) or G2 (which common used).

[StG77_Eurynomos]

On 7/4/2020 at 4:19 PM, TFS_Knuckles said:

I also looking forward for D5 for many years, I'm thinking about many things installed in D5, especially, 20mm cannon, the shutoff valve for each water system of air coolers, convert to D8 (for night bombing purpose) or G2 (which common used).

I agree very good option for d8

[StG77_Eurynomos]

@KG_S_Kalle_Kalutz82

 

thank you for bringing up this poll, an expansionspack would be good but to be honest even a collector plane is fine, as long as it comes out!

 

Best regards ??

[KG_S_Kalle_Kalutz82]

18 minutes ago, Eurynomos said:

@KG_S_Kalle_Kalutz82

 

thank you for bringing up this poll, an expansionspack would be good but to be honest even a collector plane is fine, as long as it comes out!

 

Best regards ??

 

Exactamente seniore!

[Avimimus]

So I've got a question about the Stuka... specifically the use of four SC50/SC70 wing bombs...

 

I've read that they were to be used for a second pass after the diving attack. However, while carrying bombs underwing is very efficient in level flight, while pulling out of a dive they would just increase stress on the wings... so, is this accurate?

 

Also, did they ever fly with the underwing bombs but not the central bomb? The fact that the D-5 wasn't optimised for dive bombing got me thinking about this...

[LukeFF]

22 hours ago, Avimimus said:

Also, did they ever fly with the underwing bombs but not the central bomb? The fact that the D-5 wasn't optimised for dive bombing got me thinking about this...

 

The D-5 was absolutely configured to be used as a dive-bomber, seeing as it was configured with equipment such as a contact altimeter:

 

https://www.deutscheluftwaffe.de/cockpitprofil-ju-87-d-5

[LLv26_Junnu]

any news about D5?

[Trooper117]

14 minutes ago, LLv26_Junnu said:

any news about D5?

 

The D5 was told to ''turn to the right, gain height, and disappear in short, sharp, jerky movements''... it will be the Ju 87b released instead... be sure.