Elevator/Stabilzer Trim Not Working

[Whykikamoocow]

My elevator/stabilzer trim no longer works on my hotas. Working on the keyboard. Rudder trim works fine. Anyone else experiencing this?

[-332FG-Gordon200]

@RS-Jirahfighter  Yes, I've found that the elevator trim works with input from an axis but not the button presses as before..

[ACG_Lucky]

I'm having the same issue

[ACG_Lucky]

Fixed with today's patch 5-26-20

[-DED-Rapidus]

That's right, fixed, thanks for the report.

[-332FG-Gordon200]

Not fixed for Bf110.

[busdriver]

43 minutes ago, Gordon200 said:

Not fixed for Bf110.

 

I cannot duplicate your issue. Both 110 versions, pitch and yaw trim work using the the HOTAS stick (coolie hat) bindings I've been using for years.

 

 

 

Edited May 27, 2020 by busdriver

[-332FG-Gordon200]

It must be my imagination that trim buttons no longer work in the 110.

Thanks for testing, Busdriver. Seriously.

[busdriver]

2 minutes ago, Gordon200 said:

It must be my imagination that trim buttons no longer work in the 110.

Thanks for testing, Busdriver. Seriously.

 

No worries my hero. 

[unreasonable]

Not fixed for me on any plane (steam version 4.006c) when checked 30 seconds ago.   Buttons work for adjustable stabilizer, but not for elevator trim - or any other trim.

 

 

[busdriver]

2 hours ago, unreasonable said:

Not fixed for me on any plane (steam version 4.006c) when checked 30 seconds ago.   Buttons work for adjustable stabilizer, but not for elevator trim - or any other trim.

 

I believe you. Have you...

1) restarted your PC since the hotfix update?

2) unplugged and plugged your USB joystick & throttle?

3) confirmed that your trim assignments are still shown under the key bindings?

 

 

[unreasonable]

53 minutes ago, busdriver said:

 

I believe you. Have you...

1) restarted your PC since the hotfix update?

2) unplugged and plugged your USB joystick & throttle?

3) confirmed that your trim assignments are still shown under the key bindings?

 

 

 

Yes, yes and yes.

 

Now I am completely uninstalling IL-2 GB (edit not because of the trim buttons, I am happy with the trim wheels on my G940, but because the throttle is not showing the full range in game, although in calibration software it is fine).

 

 

 

 

Edited May 27, 2020 by unreasonable

[Bobitron]

:/

[busdriver]

25 minutes ago, unreasonable said:

Yes, yes and yes.

 

Bugger...sorry mate.

[unreasonable]

After the reinstall my throttle is now working properly again - I wondered why I was having so much difficulty taking off recently.... 

 

The trim buttons are not - whether I use the defaults or try to map new ones.  Axes for trim and buttons for adjustable stab work.  

 

So I am OK as I can use joystick axes, although I prefer buttons for elevator, but I do sympathize with people who do not have these. Something is amiss.

[busdriver]

@unreasonable I’m guessing this problem started with the BIG update from 4.005?

 

@Gordon200 by any chance, do you have a backup “inputs” folder that you created manually during the 4.0005 build (or earlier)?

 

Sorry I couldn’t help, I’ve exhausted my list of tech support knowledge.

[Regingrave-]

12 часов назад, Gordon200 сказал:

Not fixed for Bf110.

I'll check it you, it could be an issue with this particular planes.

[-332FG-Gordon200]

54 minutes ago, busdriver said:

do you have a backup “inputs” folder that you created manually during the 4.0005 build (or earlier)?

 

No, I didn't back up my files for fear that I might copy the problem and carry it forward in the new build. I did a complete ground up rebuild with fresh Win 10 install on new m.2 SSDs. IL2 is on a separate m.2 from OS. No mods or joytokey.

Thanks again for your time and trouble.

[Regingrave-]

02.05.2020 в 23:51, RS-Jirahfighter сказал:

My elevator/stabilzer trim no longer works on my hotas. Working on the keyboard. Rudder trim works fine. Anyone else experiencing this?

So, I've had a little investigation of the matter, the fact is trimming axis and switching trimmers manually up and down is completely separate options, that are used on different planes. And Bf 110 is a plane, which has its trimmers switched only with axes. The buttons are there for other planes, which has fixed trimmer positions instead of movable controllers.
 
But perhaps, we'll do something to make this a little bit less counterintuitive for players.

[unreasonable]

2 hours ago, Regingrave said:

So, I've had a little investigation of the matter, the fact is trimming axis and switching trimmers manually up and down is completely separate options, that are used on different planes. And Bf 110 is a plane, which has its trimmers switched only with axes. The buttons are there for other planes, which has fixed trimmer positions instead of movable controllers.
 
But perhaps, we'll do something to make this a little bit less counterintuitive for players.

 

I really think you should - this has been a tremendous source of frustration for many players, and it all goes down to the ridiculous idea, around from the start of this project, that we can all have keyboard and joysticks with different buttons to do do things according to how each aircraft achieves a certain goal, rather than focusing on the results.

 

Many of us simply do not have several axes we can use for a variety of different jobs, and axes on HOTAS often do not work precisely. 

 

It makes far more sense, that if you want the aircraft to fly more nose down, you always push the same button (or use the same axis) irrespective of whether that is achieved in the real plane through a trim tab, an adjustable stabilizer, or forcing a dwarf in the fuselage at gunpoint to move a little closer to the front of the aircraft.  Then I do not have to relearn my own HOTAS settings every time I switch aircraft.

 

 

[RedKestrel]

1 hour ago, unreasonable said:

 

I really think you should - this has been a tremendous source of frustration for many players, and it all goes down to the ridiculous idea, around from the start of this project, that we can all have keyboard and joysticks with different buttons to do do things according to how each aircraft achieves a certain goal, rather than focusing on the results.

 

Many of us simply do not have several axes we can use for a variety of different jobs, and axes on HOTAS often do not work precisely. 

 

It makes far more sense, that if you want the aircraft to fly more nose down, you always push the same button (or use the same axis) irrespective of whether that is achieved in the real plane through a trim tab, an adjustable stabilizer, or forcing a dwarf in the fuselage at gunpoint to move a little closer to the front of the aircraft.  Then I do not have to relearn my own HOTAS settings every time I switch aircraft.

 

 

I think the ability to have Trim on an axis is relatively recent though, right? I know for a few guys it was  important so they could use their extra axes as trimmers.

I just set my trim up and trim down buttons to be the same for the trim axis and the trim switch and it seems to work fine. I basically have my trim set up the same as busdriver has on his screen. Although I haven't noticed if this causes a problem with up/down Stab setting.

[-332FG-Gordon200]

I've been flying the Bf110 since Kuban was first released and adjusting pitch trim with hold and press buttons the entire time.

[LukeFF]

7 hours ago, RedKestrel said:

I just set my trim up and trim down buttons to be the same for the trim axis and the trim switch and it seems to work fine. I basically have my trim set up the same as busdriver has on his screen. Although I haven't noticed if this causes a problem with up/down Stab setting.

 

It won't cause a conflict.

[-332FG-Gordon200]

Busdriver helped me find a solution. The trick is to bind both the axis input and button press to the same key even though the button isn't an axis. Note the key assignments in his screenshot above. You need to fool the setting into thinking the button is one half of the axis.

As I told him with that finally solved and the VR zoom fix in today's hotfix I'm a very happy old platoon sergeant right now.

Perhaps we can now find some peace within our community as well. Everyone is on edge with the uncertain world we now occupy. We've lost something we've hardly noticed before. Our futures have been put on hold and we don't know if or when it may return. IL*2 has been my oasis.