Migoto Is a Cheat. Devs please Ban this!

[Hawk-2a]

6 minutes ago, E69_geramos109 said:

 

I guess VR users also need to blur the terrain, quit the prop and all this features ?

 

Why the VR bashing? There is nothing wrong in flying VR and they can expect the game to be well optimized for VR. Prop off and blurred terrain is not gamebreaking when thy fly against 2D monitor guys at all.

even a 10x zoom doesn‘t shoot you down. He still needs to get within about 400m and behind you. If you let that happen, it‘s your fault, not the 10x zoom or VR or migoto or reshade

[Talon_]

24 minutes ago, E69_geramos109 said:

quit the prop

 

That's just to stop the picture flickering due to asynchronous spacewarp, which is not something you will experience on a 2D display.

[Raven109]

10 minutes ago, H_Stiglitz said:

Why the VR bashing? There is nothing wrong in flying VR and they can expect the game to be well optimized for VR. Prop off and blurred terrain is not gamebreaking when thy fly against 2D monitor guys at all.

even a 10x zoom doesn‘t shoot you down. He still needs to get within about 400m and behind you. If you let that happen, it‘s your fault, not the 10x zoom or VR or migoto or reshade

 

Sure, VR bashing is not the way. If it was then why not also bash people who use large screens, and people who use expensive setups, etc.

 

Regarding your comment about whose fault it is: before the enemy gets to 400m behind you, he needs to see you. That's where all combat starts, when one sees the other guy. And usually, you can't stop someone who sees you from 30km away, and then positions himself for the best attack (i.e climbing above you, or other positional advantage). What you can't see you can't do BFM against. Lose sight, lose the fight... etc. Even worse, you can't stop a squad, where one of the guys is playing the role of AWACS.

 

Having said this, I also think the expectations about an equal playing field on a public server are exaggerated. When other games organize competitions they get the players together, next to each other, so that they can have full control over the setup. Here, we're talking about public servers: expecting everybody to be equal in an environment where the control is minimal is not the best way to be happy at the end of the day.

 

 

[blue_max]

oh man there is some proper call of duty level trolling going on in this thread, especially since the mod will be updated with the deferred shading patch to solve all these issues.

[Beazil]

50 minutes ago, E69_geramos109 said:

I guess VR users also need to blur the terrain, quit the prop and all this features ?

I'm looking forward to the day you fly in VR.

 

[Hawk-2a]

11 minutes ago, Raven109 said:

And usually, you can't stop someone who sees you from 30km away, and then positions himself for the best attack (i.e climbing above you, or other positional advantage).

That is only half true, because if you look around constantly, a contact within 5km will be noticed. Situational awareness at all times is the key to surviving. Only cuz you check 6 every 2 minutes does not mean you are clear. I pretty much scan almost 360° and when i‘m done i start again. Never stop. It‘s tiring, sure. But some endurance is needed unless you want to be a tourist. And if you are a tourist, anyone can shoot you down. Migoto or not.

[Raven109]

24 minutes ago, H_Stiglitz said:

That is only half true, because if you look around constantly, a contact within 5km will be noticed. Situational awareness at all times is the key to surviving. Only cuz you check 6 every 2 minutes does not mean you are clear. I pretty much scan almost 360° and when i‘m done i start again. Never stop. It‘s tiring, sure. But some endurance is needed unless you want to be a tourist. And if you are a tourist, anyone can shoot you down. Migoto or not.

 

Had you seen the other guy from 30km, probably your defense would've been different. If he sees you first, you're the one who will be reactive instead of proactive when the distance is reduced. This applies to close/mid/far range spotting. The only difference between these ranges is how strict you must react (smaller ranges usually require more strict reactions). The one who sees first can start planning sooner, the fight is on, even if the victim doesn't know it yet, assuming everything stays the same (e.g same skill players).

 

You are assuming that you seeing the guy 5km away can prevent him from booming and zooming you from a position he established because he saw you from a long distance. Generally, if two players are of the same skill, an offense which is perfectly executed cannot be defeated by a defense which is perfectly executed .

 

Concrete example (assume players of equal skill - i don't see a point comparing an expert against a beginner, in this case other factors dominate decide the fight):

 

a. you see a guy 5km away from you, but you don't see the guys 20km away setting up for an attack on you (because they can see you). You decide to attack the guy at 5km, thinking it's just you and him. Then you get bounced by the merging pair, who are booming and zooming you. Of course, as you stated, you will notice them at 5km, but now you are 1 against 3. 

b. you see a guy 5km away from you, but you also see the guys 20km away setting up for an attack on you. I think your behavior might be different in this case because you can predict that if you attack the 5km guy and do nothing about the 20kms contacts you will not have a favorable outcome.

 

The distances are chosen just to make a point.

 

I'm just saying that better spotting is an advantage. The element of surprise is lost for the one who is seen from far but cannot see very far. The initiative is also lost.

Edited May 14, 2020 by Raven109

[Tycoon]

10 hours ago, -332FG-Tonester said:

I cant believe that people, particularly grown men, will cheat at this game, at any game....to what end? Bragging rights? you must have a very frail ego

or low self esteem if that is important to you. And YOU will always know that YOU cheated....you have achieved nothing...boggles the mind

You know reading posts like this makes you realize how many people here have never played an online game outside of flightsims.

Edited May 14, 2020 by Tycoon

[HunDread]

2 hours ago, E69_geramos109 said:

I guess VR users also need to blur the terrain

 

Yeah there is an option for that in the settings: *Landscape Details: Blurred*

 

I use it. What's the point?

[Beazil]

8 minutes ago, HunDread said:

 

Yeah there is an option for that in the settings: *Landscape Details: Blurred*

 

I use it. What's the point?

One could infer that he is implying his opponents are all cheaters looking to "game the game" and that he is a purist without need of any crutches such as blurred terrains, migoto mod, and whatever else he interprets as a "cheat".  At least, that's what I'm getting.  That and trolling.  Lots and lots of it 

[SharpeXB]

5 hours ago, III/JG52_Al-Azraq said:

 

Yes, I get that. But now many players are using this cheat with the excuse of bad visibility. My point is, that they are using it for cheating because otherwise they would be demanding to just turn alternate visibility on.

Alternate Visibility is worse, or less realistic, than 10x zoom. 

[E69_geramos109]

6 hours ago, JG51_Beazil said:

I'm looking forward to the day you fly in VR.

 

I tested recently the HP from my squadmate. gues what? i can see planes over 50 km on the bases with Hp. not with monitor

Makes no sense to say that VR has no advantage. Maybe with colacao Vrs you can not se

[Beazil]

37 minutes ago, E69_geramos109 said:

I tested recently the HP from my squadmate. gues what? i can see planes over 50 km on the bases with Hp. not with monitor

Makes no sense to say that VR has no advantage. Maybe with colacao Vrs you can not se

Okay you can see 50 km with an HP.  Awesome.

[von_Tom]

1 hour ago, E69_geramos109 said:

I tested recently the HP from my squadmate. gues what? i can see planes over 50 km on the bases with Hp. not with monitor

Makes no sense to say that VR has no advantage. Maybe with colacao Vrs you can not se

 

What about without alternate visibility on?  Is it that with alternate visibility on you can see planes at 50km away on 2D and in VR?

 

How did you get on in a server without alternate visibility?

 

von Tom

[[DBS]Browning]

9 hours ago, E69_geramos109 said:

I tested recently the HP from my squadmate. gues what? i can see planes over 50 km on the bases with Hp. not with monitor

Makes no sense to say that VR has no advantage. Maybe with colacao Vrs you can not se

Which squadmate? 

[von_Tom]

1 hour ago, [DBS]Browning said:

Which squadmate? 

 

 

I was thinking that it was good to see that social distancing is being observed in these virus-ridden times.  It is of course impossible for a VR headset to carry the virus.

 

[Note to the non-British - the above is sarcasm.]

 

This thread is like KFC - I know it's bad for me and their practices are probably shocking, but I can't help coming back for more.

 

von Tom

[E69_geramos109]

1 hour ago, von_Tom said:

 

 

I was thinking that it was good to see that social distancing is being observed in these virus-ridden times.  It is of course impossible for a VR headset to carry the virus.

 

[Note to the non-British - the above is sarcasm.]

 

This thread is like KFC - I know it's bad for me and their practices are probably shocking, but I can't help coming back for more.

 

von Tom

Did you hear about postal service? He is having trouble with his cable disconecting on the midle of the flight so before recieving new cable he sended the glasses to me for a try. That was one week ago. 

11 hours ago, von_Tom said:

 

What about without alternate visibility on?  Is it that with alternate visibility on you can see planes at 50km away on 2D and in VR?

 

How did you get on in a server without alternate visibility?

 

von Tom

No. It was not a server with alternate. 

Edited May 15, 2020 by E69_geramos109

[von_Tom]

Just now, E69_geramos109 said:

Did you hear about postal service? He is having trouble with his cable disconecting on the midle of the flight so before recieving new cable he sended the glasses to me for a try. That was one week ago. 

 

That was good of him.

 

So what about 2D and alternate visibility?  Is it the same?

 

How did you get on in the servers without alternate visibility enabled?  How did your stats play out using this "cheat"?

 

I am genuinely curious here, because if you have given it a proper trial (rather than a simple and quick look) you may now understand VR's limitations.

 

von Tom

[E69_geramos109]

Just now, von_Tom said:

 

That was good of him.

 

So what about 2D and alternate visibility?  Is it the same?

 

How did you get on in the servers without alternate visibility enabled?  How did your stats play out using this "cheat"?

 

I am genuinely curious here, because if you have given it a proper trial (rather than a simple and quick look) you may now understand VR's limitations.

 

von Tom

I repeat. Was not a server with alternate visibility. Probably I can not figure out everything testing just a little but for me to take off and zooming on enemy base to see who was taking off was enought to know that even on maybe "some " VRs are still an advantage

[[DBS]Browning]

13 hours ago, E69_geramos109 said:

I tested recently the HP from my squadmate. gues what? i can see planes over 50 km on the bases with Hp. not with monitor

Makes no sense to say that VR has no advantage. Maybe with colacao Vrs you can not se

 

At least some of this is untruthful.

There is no doubt that it is untruthful that you can see planes over 50km away in any VR set.

The only way that could be true is if every other VR user aside from you is being dishonest about what they can see.

 

It would not surprise me if it is also untrue that you have tested it at all.

[von_Tom]

 

I am even more curious now because with alternate visibility you can see aircraft a long away even without zoom, but where alternate visibility is off I don't think I've ever seen anything a long way away. 

 

As far as I know each large square on the map equates to 10km and using this rather wonderful site - https://il2map.info/ - you can measure distances.  You are saying that from say Kyivskoe-2 (0920/2) you could take off and see aircraft on the ground at Anapa (1115/3).  I am struggling to believe that.  If you can see them good luck in keeping them in view.

 

von Tom

 

 

[C6_lefuneste]

17 hours ago, E69_geramos109 said:

I guess VR users also need to blur the terrain, quit the prop and all this features ?

 

You guess too much and, unfortunately, think that you have the truth for all people, as other in this post, so you continue pushing uncomplete or partial information that are more feeling than objective facts.
So you force me to do what I dislike. In order to avoid people being confused by all half-truth and estimates that has been posted in this thread, I post here real elements that will show current default of the game I like.
I don't like that because it may let people not trying this wonderful game in VR, or it may be used by "partisan" of other sims to depreciate IL2 GB. But finally all this thread is leading to this. If you read it without knowing the real situation you may think that online playing is plagued by VR and 2D cheaters because of the mods, and also there are some unbearable visibility issues and so on...

The pictures below are taken either for the screenshot game feature for 2D or from the render chain for VR. VR image are as the game produced them. You must have in mind they will be pre deformed by steamVR or other VR software in order to make them right after the lens distortion. So the final quality seen by the player is worse than displayed below.  There are also sweet spot and screen door effect that worsen the image. For example the image are rendred at 2000x2000 (by eye) but my Pimax 5K screen are only 2560 × 1440 and I use small Fov, so I'm far of using the 250 horiz. resolution. So at the end the image will be downsampled from 2152 to 1440 at least for horizontal res.
So here is the comparison in full scale: I align 2D image with my Pimax resolution, to allow a better comparison, this is why there are white area around them.

 

 

Here is the same, but just with a smaller part of the image, zoomed to help detailed comparison (I can not add it in the post because the quota is full) : http://www.mediafire.com/view/fcstlhn07syrkmx/comparison-2D-VR_zoomed.gif/file

 

And the images in jpg format  are here : http://www.mediafire.com/folder/fcstlhn07syrkmx,s2jxhablq88ac47,9t4ood8q1deu454,21y5zoye0oj4uam,5au6zhcjiiyj8qm,txzmghv9b9tvq6a,mzpr7t78d98zp6l,ahn2ho1kzazh85a/shared

 

So everybody (but you ?) may understand that VR users are not at pair with current in game VR zoom. This is why the mod is so widelly used. Without it, you are nearly blind. I can also add that in game zoom is not working with canted screen like Pimax 5K+...

Why do you think I spend so much time to fix the mod again for each version ? Ah, I forgot, you "guess" that I am a cheater, as all VR users.

You may also "guess" that it's not easy to have a better zoom working "on the shelve" for every VR helmet wihout spending a lot of dev resources on it. The mod works only because of the "DIY" approach, when everyone has to setup the convergence for his HMD, or use SCG_Fenris_Wolf config files.

DCS world provided a zoom roughly at pair with 2D for VR users in the last beta just one month ago, and they started at least 1 year before IL2 GB the VR support (By the way, I disengaged the zoom part of my DCS mod, that will make me avoid a lot of future work).

And don't speak me of your one time testing with the Reverb, it's like defined 2D usage rules with a 50" 4K screen. A lot of VR user have HMD with far lower resolution, and beside that, FoV would make the result lower than in 2D when zooming with in game VR zoom.

 

So, if things are going as you want, what will be the future ?

1) no more 3dmigoto usable with the game and only the current in game VR zoom => most of VR user will stop playing and maybe go to DCS. The number of online player may reduce on the few server on which you may find some players.

2) 3dmigoto usable in "mod only" => some popular server owner are using VR (and the mod), so they will set their server with "mod on". Then, instead of having people that "could see users from 100 km away" because of the mod, you will have people with flying tanks, 75 mm as machine gun, speed of the millenium falcon, and so on. Because "mod on" will allow anyone to modify the game mechanics. The 3dmigoto mod (as reshade) is only modifying what the game is displaying.

 

Last part regarding the "cheat" provided by the mod

• For VR, 10x (even if find by guessing) was quite fair, because of lower resolution, screendoor effect and projection transform. The stacking with ingame VR zoom was a bit overdone, but with an impact far away of what I read in this thread...
• For 2D it has never be planned to be used and so never advertised. I just forgot a variable for my testing in D3DX.ini

The new version I will publish today will limit VR zoom to 8.5 x and also integrate" in game zoom" in the current displayed zoom factor. It will only chnage the LoD, except for lower zoom because default 3dmigoto zoom is lower than in game zoom. The pictures above have been taken with this version. I should have kept 10X, but just to avoid to give you any argument, I set it up to something similar than 2D. It means that finally, with the lower resolution, screendoor effect and projection transform VR users will have a slight disavantadge with 2D users. You should be happy, you managed to be harmfuill for VR users. But I think that nobody will really care.

It will also block zoom for 2D users in a way more complicated to bypass than just a variablr to change in d3dx.ini.

In few weeks the new IL2 version will break all existing version of 3Dmigoto mod. So 2D cheat will be definitely off. I do not know if I will manage to cope with deferred rendering, but I will try to make a new version with the same limitation for the future IL2BOS release, unless devs are asking me to stop.

Finally , when it appears that someone find a cheat for 2D usage, who should really care about online community would have contact me in order to stop it before it would be dispersed. You did exactly the opposite, advertising it as most as possible, then trying to divide the online community with sentences like the one I quote on top of this post.

What you are doing has a name: "trolling".

In this context, I'm sure that you will not take into account any rational elements and continue to troll, putting on the mod problems that are not created by it, and writing your feeling or "guesses" as absolute truth that must be applyed to all the community.

I simply won't care. I already spent too much time because of you.

Even if, finally, it concern a very few part of IL2 GB users, I'm convinced that my mod is contributing to made this sim the best in VR, just by setting VR player at same gameplay level than 2D users. When devs will find time/budget/resources/priorities for the few VR player we are, I will be happy to stop it (or at least all the parts that will be provided by the game).

 

 

[HunDread]

41 minutes ago, E69_geramos109 said:

Did you hear about postal service? He is having trouble with his cable disconecting on the midle of the flight so before recieving new cable he sended the glasses to me for a try. That was one week ago

 

Good, the only thing left is to show us your huge improvement compared to your 2d stats. You should already be at least twice as good based on your comments how big cheat migoto is.

[Talon_]

40 minutes ago, c6_lefuneste said:

2) 3dmigoto usable in "mod only" => some popular server owner are using VR (and the mod), so they will set their server with "mod on". Then, instead of having people that "could see users from 100 km away" because of the mod, you will have people with flying tanks, 75 mm as machine gun, speed of the millenium falcon, and so on. Because "mod on" will allow anyone to modify the game mechanics. The 3dmigoto mod (as reshade) is only modifying what the game is displaying.

 

It's worth repeating that all admins of Combat Box fly in VR.

[III/JG52_Otto_-I-]

5 hours ago, c6_lefuneste said:

 

You guess too much and, unfortunately, think that you have the truth for all people, as other in this post, so you continue pushing uncomplete or partial information that are more feeling than objective facts.
So you force me to do what I dislike. In order to avoid people being confused by all half-truth and estimates that has been posted in this thread, I post here real elements that will show current default of the game I like.
I don't like that because it may let people not trying this wonderful game in VR, or it may be used by "partisan" of other sims to depreciate IL2 GB. But finally all this thread is leading to this. If you read it without knowing the real situation you may think that online playing is plagued by VR and 2D cheaters because of the mods, and also there are some unbearable visibility issues and so on...

 

 

So everybody (but you ?) may understand that VR users are not at pair with current in game VR zoom. This is why the mod is so widelly used. Without it, you are nearly blind. I can also add that in game zoom is not working with canted screen like Pimax 5K+...

Why do you think I spend so much time to fix the mod again for each version ? Ah, I forgot, you "guess" that I am a cheater, as all VR users.

You may also "guess" that it's not easy to have a better zoom working "on the shelve" for every VR helmet wihout spending a lot of dev resources on it. The mod works only because of the "DIY" approach, when everyone has to setup the convergence for his HMD, or use SCG_Fenris_Wolf config files.

DCS world provided a zoom roughly at pair with 2D for VR users in the last beta just one month ago, and they started at least 1 year before IL2 GB the VR support (By the way, I disengaged the zoom part of my DCS mod, that will make me avoid a lot of future work).

And don't speak me of your one time testing with the Reverb, it's like defined 2D usage rules with a 50" 4K screen. A lot of VR user have HMD with far lower resolution, and beside that, FoV would make the result lower than in 2D when zooming with in game VR zoom.

 

So, if things are going as you want, what will be the future ?

1) no more 3dmigoto usable with the game and only the current in game VR zoom => most of VR user will stop playing and maybe go to DCS. The number of online player may reduce on the few server on which you may find some players.

2) 3dmigoto usable in "mod only" => some popular server owner are using VR (and the mod), so they will set their server with "mod on". Then, instead of having people that "could see users from 100 km away" because of the mod, you will have people with flying tanks, 75 mm as machine gun, speed of the millenium falcon, and so on. Because "mod on" will allow anyone to modify the game mechanics. The 3dmigoto mod (as reshade) is only modifying what the game is displaying.

 

 You did exactly the opposite, advertising it as most as possible, then trying to divide the online community with sentences like the one I quote on top of this post.

What you are doing has a name: "trolling".

 

 

I´m amazed how a VR user who stating that the game is "wonderful" in VR and need to develop a "cheat" because if not as VR user is blind in the game, ...instead of report the problem to developers for improving the game.

In your question "what will be the future ?" ..of course you never think in the possibility of the developers improving the game, .. and your Mod-Cheat will not necessary for VR. ..am i right??

Moreover you are accusing of "trolling" to an old-school virtual pilot like @E69_geramos109 , who is historically famous in this community for fairplay and his constructive critics.

 

Edited May 15, 2020 by III/JG52_Otto_-I-

[RedKestrel]

16 minutes ago, III/JG52_Otto_-I- said:

In your question "what will be the future ?" ..of course you never think in the possibility of the developers improving the game, .. and your Mod-Cheat will not necessary for VR. ..am i right??
 

He literally says in the very  post you are quoting that if the developers make improvements he will stop doing the modding:

 

1 hour ago, c6_lefuneste said:

 

When devs will find time/budget/resources/priorities for the few VR player we are, I will be happy to stop it (or at least all the parts that will be provided by the game).

 

 

[Beazil]

25 minutes ago, III/JG52_Otto_-I- said:

I´m amazed how a VR user who stating that the game in "wonderful" in VR and need to develop a "cheat" because if not as VR user is blind in the game, ...instead of report the problem to developers for improving the game.

In your question "what will be the future ?" ..of course you never think in the possibility of the developers improving the game, .. and your Mod-Cheat will not necessary for VR. ..am i right??

Moreover you are accusing of "trolling" to an old-school virtual pilot like @E69_geramos109 , who is historically famous in this community for fairplay and his constructive critics.

 

*Chokes on coffee*

[Beazil]

He's famous in my book alright.

[SCG_Wulfe]

 

36 minutes ago, III/JG52_Otto_-I- said:

Moreover you are accusing of "trolling" to an old-school virtual pilot like @E69_geramos109 , who is historically famous in this community for fairplay and his constructive critics.

 

 

you forgot the 'in' in front of your 'famous'

[Hoots]

This topic is incredible, there are a lot of (I assume) grown men that should really read back what they've written and see if they think it reflects well on them. Seriously guys, if my kids acted like this I'd be embarrassed. Probably time to accept that you're never going to change someone's opinion on the internet and let this one die the death it deserves.

[[DBS]Browning]

5 minutes ago, E69_geramos109 said:

I allways biring test and proves to suport my claims

 

Great. Support this claim:

 

15 hours ago, E69_geramos109 said:

I tested recently the HP from my squadmate. gues what? i can see planes over 50 km on the bases with Hp. not with monitor

 

[von_Tom]

4 minutes ago, Hoots said:

This topic is incredible, there are a lot of (I assume) grown men that should really read back what they've written and see if they think it reflects well on them. Seriously guys, if my kids acted like this I'd be embarrassed. Probably time to accept that you're never going to change someone's opinion on the internet and let this one die the death it deserves.

 

Kids are great for practising internet arguments on as logic and reasoned explanation never works, and it is nigh on impossible for them to understand the concept of evidence-based justification for what they say.

 

This topic is actually very important beyond the petty arguments.  For me this is about allegations of cheating (and I use this mod so I am being called a cheater) based on the false (my opinion) premise that it confers an advantage.  This means that the allegation must be robustly challenged even if that results in entrenched positions - at least then everyone else can see the respective viewpoints and make up their own minds.

 

Plus it is mildly diverting from real life work that I have to do.

 

von Tom

[Hoots]

1 minute ago, von_Tom said:

 

Kids are great for practising internet arguments on as logic and reasoned explanation never works, and it is nigh on impossible for them to understand the concept of evidence-based justification for what they say.

 

This topic is actually very important beyond the petty arguments.  For me this is about allegations of cheating (and I use this mod so I am being called a cheater) based on the false (my opinion) premise that it confers an advantage.  This means that the allegation must be robustly challenged even if that results in entrenched positions - at least then everyone else can see the respective viewpoints and make up their own minds.

 

Plus it is mildly diverting from real life work that I have to do.

 

von Tom

 

Possibly, but right now this topic is basically a group of adults having a "yes it is, no it isn't" argument. Neither side is going to convince the other and I am willing to bet a large sum of money that the only people who can do anything, the devs, are not even paying attention to the thread, and if they were, wouldn't do anything about it.

[Beazil]

You started a 16 page rant about how everyone is cheating, except you.  You found a way to use a mod in a way that was not intended and proceeded to berate the playerbase for its development and use.  You hurl insults and accusations with nothing but your assumptions as your basis while being passive aggressive in that you speak to nobody in particular when you post.  You have angered the moderators, the developers, the creator of this mod and pretty much everyone in this thread.

To what end?  What is your purpose here?  I'm sorry you have such a dislike for your fellow players as to act in such a repulsive manner.  And I'm sorry that your social skills are so poor that you appear to have absolutely no ability to see things from any other perspective besides your own.  You know, that one where you are a pariah of fair play and everyone else isn't.  And it's up to you and you alone to bring this culture of cheating to the attention of the world so this great injustice can be exposed for the great conspiracy that it is.....

Get over yourself.  The damage you have done here is huge.  

Edited May 15, 2020 by JG51_Beazil

[E69_geramos109]

2 hours ago, c6_lefuneste said:

 

 

 

 

 

Ok. I want to ask you If you are going to limit also on the new version how the terrain is blurred when zooming in. This makes the spoting much easier because the plane looks much more definded. Not everything regardind this mod is about having equal zoom. I posted some screenshots if you want to see what i am talking

Other think is to remove the prop. That is not realistic and of course an advantage on maps with some light conditions that makes the prop to shine so much.

 

I see your argument about the options we have on the future. Did you consider the posibility of complaining to Devs for improving the VRs as EVERYONE that has problems with spoting now is doing? Do you know that that complain made Devs to realice how important it is and it become priority for them to solve?? So because of your argument every monitor user that can see shit now will not play de game and moove to DCS right? NO they are complaining about the isue so they are pushing devs to do something

 

Second thing. Do you realice that if we want to have a free cheat chame we need to eliminate any external program in to the game or at least allow servers to chose if they want mods or not? What stops you or anyone with some knoledge on computers for tunning the mod with the values you want and to share this version of migoto to your friends? Do we need to trust people for not tunning this? 

NO

11 minutes ago, von_Tom said:

 

Kids are great for practising internet arguments on as logic and reasoned explanation never works, and it is nigh on impossible for them to understand the concept of evidence-based justification for what they say.

 

This topic is actually very important beyond the petty arguments.  For me this is about allegations of cheating (and I use this mod so I am being called a cheater) based on the false (my opinion) premise that it confers an advantage.  This means that the allegation must be robustly challenged even if that results in entrenched positions - at least then everyone else can see the respective viewpoints and make up their own minds.

 

Plus it is mildly diverting from real life work that I have to do.

 

von Tom

You are wrong. Anyone using this mod is NOT a cheater. Because this mod is allowed. The point is to change that. Any complementary software that gives an advantage on the game should be consider a cheat like this or like people using reshade for this purpose etc. 

If that is not consider a cheat then people with start using any tool to get that unrealistic advantages and the game will be ruined. 

I dont want people to get banned because cheaters I want mods like this to be considered as a cheat not like now. 

 

Edited May 15, 2020 by E69_geramos109

[DD_Arthur]

Your moving to DCS?  Fantastic!  Byeeeeeee

[E69_geramos109]

1 minute ago, DD_Arthur said:

Your moving to DCS?  Fantastic!  Byeeeeeee

Sorry for you but no

Edited May 15, 2020 by E69_geramos109

[von_Tom]

7 minutes ago, E69_geramos109 said:

You are wrong. Anyone using this mod is NOT a cheater. Because this mod is allowed. The point is to change that. Any complementary software that gives an advantage on the game should be consider a cheat like this or like people using reshade for this purpose etc. 

If that is not consider a cheat then people with start using any tool to get that unrealistic advantages and the game will be ruined. 

 

Check the title of the topic.  By extension, if you use a cheat then you are a cheater.

 

If you mean "3DMigoto makes it easier for VR users to achieve parity with non-VR users" or "This mod can be used by 2D players to act as an AWACS" then I'd be in complete agreement.

 

I get the passion and wanting a cheat free game where everyone has the same chance, but chucking out spurious allegations is not the way to go.

 

von Tom

[SeaW0lf]

9 minutes ago, von_Tom said:

If you mean "3DMigoto makes it easier for VR users to achieve parity with non-VR users" or "This mod can be used by 2D players to act as an AWACS" then I'd be in complete agreement.

 

That makes sense. One thing is not related to the other and the former group (using Migoto to get some parity) can’t be blamed. The same goes for ReShade. Many people, including myself, still don't know what goes on with these apps and this is divisive, especially these days when lots of people are asking for better spotting and in some cases people get a lot of flak by it.

 

But the AWACS thing is serious. Spotting is the bread and butter of air combat. People are messing with the fundamentals of it. I'm not sure what can be done, but these things make a difference and can wreck the multiplayer scene.

[Beazil]

1 hour ago, E69_geramos109 said:

And thanks to that the comunity has moove a lot and now the game changed the politics to work on the base quite much as before. Dicksuckers are the worse part on the comunity allways saying how good is everything no matter how messed up or wrong are some parts on the game. If you see my posts I allways biring test and proves to suport my claims and you are one of those allways trying to toxic any forum topic calling for whining 

 

 This is an example of what I was referring to in my previous post as passive aggressive trolling.  Your comments and assumptions about your fellow players are reprehensable.  

 

1 hour ago, E69_geramos109 said:

 

Anyone using this mod is NOT a cheater. Because this mod is allowed. The point is to change that. Any complementary software that gives an advantage on the game should be consider a cheat like this or like people using reshade for this purpose etc. 

If that is not consider a cheat then people with start using any tool to get that unrealistic advantages and the game will be ruined. 

I dont want people to get banned because cheaters I want mods like this to be considered as a cheat not like now. 

 

This is the only sensible thing I think you've posted in this entire thread.  If you were not so busy picking fights, you might notice that we are all in agreement on this principal and this thread would have been ended on the first page if you understood that.  What is the name of this thread again?

 

But since you have just admitted you knew that the whole time, well.... I have to question your motivation for continuing to post on the subject.  

 

It's as if you have something against everyone who isn't using your setup.  What is that all about?  Why are you so concerned about how other people play?  I mean to the point of creating this cesspool of a thread?  What is it you are trying to accomplish here?  I'm honestly curious.  Why do you feel entitled to berate the playerbase and demand answers to your assumptions where everyone has to prove to you they are not "cheating"?

 

Who appointed you to the role of resident $hit disturber?  I don't remember casting a vote for this.  

 

I beleive you are motivated by the attention you get here posting, and that you will continue to argue with anyone who will respond to your constant trolling.  I just don't understand why it is being tolerated for anything other than what it is: a blatent attempt at eliciting a hostile reaction.

 

Trolling 101.