Game version 4.005 discussion: New airframe damage model

[69th_Mobile_BBQ]

12 minutes ago, kendo said:

Just had a very quick QMB mission. Noticed the change below. Cool.

 

31. The visual intensity of a fuel, oil, and coolant leaks now corresponds to the actual severity of a leak closer;

 

 

 

At least in QMB 1v1 heavily leaking planes will engage to the last though instead of trying to run for it.   It does make sense however, being that QMB 1v1 is pretty much "do or die" mode for the AI.  I would expect that in campaigns they should switch to "GTFO and go home" mode at that point with an occasional do-or-die-er in the mix.  

 

After 30 minutes of QMB, I've seen some damage models I've never seen before - such as shredded edges on ailerons, elevators and rudder of the 109 F4.  Before it was always a clean break off at the hinges.  If these models always existed in-game and are just coming into play now, I would say that the DM work is right-on. 

 

BTW pressing my "ear" up against the canopy glass of the P-51 sounds a lot better!  

Edited April 8, 2020 by 69th_Mobile_BBQ

[Retrofly]

6 minutes ago, 69th_Mobile_BBQ said:

 

At least in QMB 1v1 heavily leaking planes will engage to the last though instead of trying to run for it.   It does make sense however, being that QMB 1v1 is pretty much "do or die" mode for the AI.  I would expect that in campaigns they should switch to "GTFO and go home" mode at that point with an occasional do-or-die-er in the mix.  

 

After 30 minutes of QMB, I've seen some damage models I've never seen before - such as shredded edges on ailerons, elevators and rudder of the 109 F4.  Before it was always a clean break off at the hinges.  If these models always existed in-game and are just coming into play now, I would say that the DM work is right-on. 

 

BTW pressing my "ear" up against the canopy glass of the P-51 sounds a lot better!  

Yep, I think in some of the vids they mentioned that visual damage would jump from nothing to everything and miss out incremental changes. Really cool, it does sound like they will go over visual damage at some point too.

[SJ_Butcher]

Great patch! The mk108 is now very deadly

[69th_Mobile_BBQ]

Just now, Retrofly said:

Yep, I think in some of the vids they mentioned that visual damage would jump from nothing to everything and miss out incremental changes. Really cool, it does sound like they will go over visual damage at some point too.

 

Honestly, they might not need to if this plays out in the long run like I think it will.  

1 minute ago, SJ_Butcher said:

Great patch! The mk108 is now very deadly

 

Like it wasn't before?  lol

[SARFlytitus]

Thanx , Great Work!

[dburne]

23 minutes ago, Alonzo_ said:

Giant update! Thank you, development team. Especially impressive given the conditions everyone is working under in today's world.

 

The VR snap-zoom is very useful, thank you! Feature request (you knew it was coming!) -- may we zoom to a higher magnification in VR, in some future patch?

 

Yes this would be nice, ie two levels of zoom. Someday.

[56RAF_Roblex]

Great patch.  I notice that while a couple of aircraft were adjusted because they were too visible at long distances, the A20 was not.  I will assume the devs checked and decided it was realistic (or maybe the new reflection behaviour fixes it) and say no more on the subject.  

[102nd-YU-Pirke]

And again noting for better air contact visibility Main problem in game...

 

[Zeev]

52 minutes ago, Legioneod said:

Yes, FC is included.

It's for both. Singleplayer and Multiplayer.

Thanks.

[VBF-12_Stick-95]

Only 140 fixes, what took you so long?

Just kidding.  Been looking forward to this like so many others.  Thanks for you diligence, especially during these times.

[Beazil]

15 minutes ago, VBF-12_Stick-95 said:

Only 140 fixes,

 

I would never have realized that there were so many things that needed to be corrected.  The attention to detail this team shows is nothing if not exemplary.  Thank you for not only producing this update, but for doing so during this global pandemic that has so many of us either laid off or working from home.  I sincerely wish you and your team take a brief moment to appreciate this milestone.  I know your users will.  S!

[Leon_Portier]

Nice update ?

[Heckpupper]

Quote

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Nice.

[RedKestrel]

29 minutes ago, 102nd-YU-Pirke said:

And again noting for better air contact visibility Main problem in game...

 

They have stated they are looking at it but that it will require long-term work as it is not an easy fix. The new deferred rendering may help in the next update. And you can see that they have corrected some issues in this very patch with planes appearing the wrong size at certain distances and certain glare issues.

[Lusekofte]

Once I can retrieve my pc and VR from my kiddos it will be P 47 time? 

great job

[Feathered_IV]

1 hour ago, kendo said:

Just had a very quick QMB mission. Noticed the change below. Cool.

 

31. The visual intensity of a fuel, oil, and coolant leaks now corresponds to the actual severity of a leak closer;

 

 

 

I noticed that too.  Very good. 

When taking hits, the FC aircraft don’t seem to erupt in huge puffs of cocaine anymore either.   The impacts seem much more affordable!  

[RedKestrel]

1 minute ago, 216th_LuseKofte said:

Once I can retrieve my pc and VR from my kiddos it will be P 47 time? 

great job

As the kids say today, this is a "Big Mood".

I plan on distracting everyone with easter candy this weekend, then fortifying the computer area against all comers. The kid can go one weekend without minecraft!

[SJ_Butcher]

1 hour ago, 69th_Mobile_BBQ said:

 

Honestly, they might not need to if this plays out in the long run like I think it will.  

 

Like it wasn't before?  lol

 

now you break a single engine fighter with 1 or 2 good hits

[JG1_Butzzell]

87. 76mm and 77mm AAA of World War I era aim better;

 

 

Many thanks for this and the other FC improvements.

[J37_Spyboy]

Thank you for your hard work, it is much appreciated. Top Team

 

 

[343KKT_Kintaro]

Hi and thank you for the update. I upgraded my sim up to the 4.005 version and I've tested three planes: Fokker D.VII, P-51 and Me 109 K-4. I think I noticed a few changes, but I'll test a bit more the sim.

 

I'd like to ask one question: a few minutes ago, when I hit a French SPAD with my double 7.92 I saw that the French plane gaught fire… then I saw that the HEAT HAZE was clearly visible, straight out of the engine on fire… Is that a new improvement of 4.005 or was it already there?

[BubiHUN]

There is something wrong with the contrails, they are not visible in an extremely cold weather.

[-DED-Rapidus]

2 hours ago, RedKestrel said:

seems to me that this will make radial engines less fragile, and also put you in situations where your engine is damaged but not dead, and enable you to nurse a plane back on fewer cylinders. 

The damage modeling is the star of the show but I am glad to see bugfixes around the missing hit sounds, as well as sound improvements in general.

According to the test results, if there is a choice on what to fly behind the front line: fw190-a8 or fw190-d9, I will definitely make a choice for the A8, much more likely to reach their own after meeting with enemy fighters.

2 hours ago, SJ_Butcher said:

Great patch! The mk108 is now very deadly

NS37 better)

2 hours ago, 102nd-YU-Pirke said:

And again noting for better air contact visibility Main problem in game...

 

Not all at once ((

1 hour ago, RedKestrel said:

The kid can go one weekend without minecraft!

it is better to spend the weekend with your family) planes will wait for you.

57 minutes ago, -[HRAF]BubiHUN said:

There is something wrong with the contrails, they are not visible in an extremely cold weather.

Interesting, please check again, if the problem is confirmed then write message with the track here

https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/forum/89-technical-issues-and-bug-reports/

[CountZero]

13 minutes ago, -DED-Rapidus said:

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NS37 better)

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37mm M4 is now also 1hit gun vs fighters, insted 2-3 before, first thing i checked after checking to see if engine timer techchat messages work in expert (they still dont).

.50 cal dont seam to rip things apart like before do

and 262 is no longer bullet spunge, its posible to shoot it down in one pass.

all in SP who knows how it will be in MP.

[ZachariasX]

Wow... you really want there Hispanos over the BMG now... Really nice job in damage modelling!

 

Also, hearing the gun sounds echo in the forest is just really something. Amazing.

 

[SCG_Tzigy]

Wow

[Talisman]

Great stuff!  Great team!  Thank you very much for all your hard work.

 

Happy landings,

 

56RAF_Talisman

[easterling77]

First impression of the new DM...an exploding fighter in front of my FW190.

Maybe that was the fuel tank

 

Awsome.....thank you so much

[4thFG_Cap_D_Gentile]

Anything on the Allison? Yes I know nothing in the patch notes but?

 

Happy Easter and stay safe

[RedKestrel]

52 minutes ago, -DED-Rapidus said:

it is better to spend the weekend with your family) planes will wait for you.

Alright, but I'm still going to be getting a buttload of candy, just on principal!

/TFW shamed by the devs to spend time with your kids
 

[Blooddawn1942]

Thanks for the update. 

 

But I have to say, that my game is now broken. Every time I intend to shoot, the game freezes and an error window appears that reads :

 

Error reading Armor Parameters. 

File: luascripts/worldobjects/projectiles/shell_ger_30x184_he.txt

 

Class_name= cbatchballistics

 

Armor not found 

[HerrBree]

6 minutes ago, Blooddawn1942 said:

Thanks for the update. 

 

But I have to say, that my game is now broken. Every time I intend to shoot, the game freezes and an error window appears that reads :

 

Error reading Armor Parameters. 

File: luascripts/worldobjects/projectiles/shell_ger_30x184_he.txt

 

Class_name= cbatchballistics

 

Armor not found 

Turning off mods fixed this for me.  Overall great patch!!

Edited April 8, 2020 by HerrBree

[Blooddawn1942]

6 minutes ago, HerrBree said:

Turning off mods fixed this for me.  Overall great patch!!

Thanks! That did it. Curious if it's a specific mod. I would hate to fly without the clouds mod. 

[HappyHaddock]

Just a first impression on watching the AI scrap it out, but these WWI crates seem to more readily soak up a spray of bullets from behind typically leading to a swiss cheese mass of little holes whilst still flying on, yet shots head on or to the side can still inflict critical failures.

 

Seems a bit more along the lines of what I'd expect for aircraft that are little more than fabric over a sparse wooden frame.

 

 

Edited April 8, 2020 by HappyHaddock

[THERION]

Maybe it is not related to the cloud mod, but the effects mod?

[Puarma]

Thanks for the update! I was not expecting it until maybe next week. 

 

Downloading now and waiting eagerly to see the changes.

[Blooddawn1942]

1 minute ago, -=-THERION said:

Maybe it is not related to the cloud mod, but the effects mod?

I'm investigating atm. 

Cloud mod runs fine 

[IckyATLAS]

Thanks for all these goodies. I have also noted that in the editor we have now all the thumbnail pictures showing. Nice cherry for mission builders.

I would have loved to have also the willys jeep in red army colors as thousands have been delivered to the USSR.

 

[Blooddawn1942]

6 minutes ago, -=-THERION said:

Maybe it is not related to the cloud mod, but the effects mod?

Has to be effect or tracer mod. Texture and cloud mods run fine. 

[THERION]

Well then, you know what to do...