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In this video there was a Spad approaching and, checking the track, the four times I looked at my six he was there in a very obvious position. The first time he was at 1.37km. The second time he was at 1.32km. The third time he was at 1.20km, and finally at 1.14km. Then I rested for a few seconds and I was flamed.

 

From my experience, and I have been looking for small choppers and paragliders every time I go for a walk during weekends, even after the sunset, a plane at roughly 1km and a hundred yards above looks like to be parked across the street, you can't miss it! Even after the sunset on the other side of the sky!

 

Also, looks like we are in Siberia, Antarctica or in orbit? With the sun at that height, it should be pretty clear already, not with this Space Shuttle effect.

 

I’m really considering quitting this game (for some time now). We try hard, and I have been here since day one, but boy oh boy, what a load of whatever we have to deal with everyday. Especially since they said to don’t expect any visibilities fixes anytime soon, this then might translate into ‘someday’. And we still have the invisible ones.

 

I apologize to the player, who is a good fella, but I rather lost my streak to a ram. 

 

Sorry for the rant folks, but if we can’t play a mission with mission oriented goals, why bother then?

 

Best viewed in 1440p for me.

 

 

 

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No, you are NOT allowed to leave.

 

 

And that's final. And don't you dare cite me the deep magic about this game and how broken it is at times — I've been here since 2009, I was there when it was written.

 

SeaW0lf, seriously, you are one of the best pilots in this community. If not the best pilot. The only ones to top you in the ranking all have something in common: they're all flying in squadrons, and most of them are flying the Fokker D.VIIF (or blatantly "statting the stats" with bombers *cough*).

 

 

You have nothing left to prove to anybody: join a squadron, have some fun on comms, stop worrying about all this. J5 is always looking for willing cannon fodder talented flyers.

 

Better yet: make your own squadron. Doesn't even have to be big or anything, but it's time for you to stop doing this alone and pass on your skills to others in the process. That by itself will drastically increase your chances when the game acts up again.

 

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Yep, close range visibility is very poor, worse than it has ever been. Flying is becoming more and more unenjoyable due to visibility issues.

I wouldn't quit the game over this but I do play far less than I used to.

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Seaw0lf, I do understand the frustration and believe me, I know how it is to lose a streak to either an invisibility bug, or bad environmental conditions, or bad decisions, it has happened to me more than some dozen of times.

 

But then, how many times have we all died all those years? Hundreds at the best, maybe thousands. At least for myself, I am always blaming myself for neglecting a factor I shouldn't have. A flak hit at 3000m (I should not have been flying straight), my wings ripped when in a dive (I should have known my plane better), blowing the engine of the Camel when in a dive (did not blip/throttle down), killed instantly by an enemy at my 6 (should have looked behind me more often), gang-banged by 3 or 4 enemies (should have chosen my fight more carefully), killed by a two-seater (shouldn't have stayed at his 6 for so long), the list goes on and on.  And every time we come back to start building another streak, because for me, every time I dive on an enemy my heart races like crazy, until my first burst, until I see who will have the upper hand in the fight, until I calculate that my odds for surviving this engagement and add another kill to my streak are good enough. This is a feeling I get with NO other game and it is so intense that my wife is asking with concern if I am OK or I am having a heart attack!

 

So, we end up minimizing, to the best of our abilities, the drawbacks of the software and learn from our mistakes and hope that the game will get better in next updates. As Hellbender said, remember RoF in 2009 (I personally joined it in 2010). And in the four(?) months that the J5 server works and I am active in, the game has improved indeed!

 

As for preferring losing your streak to a ram rather than killed by an enemy you failed to spot/evade, I also feel like an idiot when it is happening to me. My only compensation is that it not happening to me too often and the same is true for you.

 

And I do not understand your comment : '...if we can’t play a mission with mission oriented goals, why bother then?' People like you and me in our daily flying we have a goal, spot the enemy, kill the enemy, survive the engagement. When flying in an event, we have very defined mission goals and live or die accomplishing those.

 

So, friend and adversary, keep coming back for more heart racing. I believe it is worth it for you, for us, for the WWI flight sim community.

 

Salute!

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Some other wether/time of day  condition would be better in our missions, because sunrise and dusk are the worst regarding contact visibility up in the sky- lost of color banding , posterization etc . RoF sky was so clear in all time , I don't know why Il2 GB has so many issues in that realm ...

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Not so long ago, I wrote that everything is terrible in the FC, and the visibility of aircraft and ultra-precise shooting under conditions of complete calm, and indeed you can’t play this shit.  Then SeaWolf objected to me - "Just look how beautiful the shadow of the machine gun on the dashboard is! There is something to be tolerated for this beauty." And here I am, I endure all this crap, and he leaves!  What the heck ?

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Sorry I couldn't help myself, haha.

 

SeaW0lf Day

 

Be in their flowing cups freshly rememb'red.
This story shall the good man teach his son;
And SeaW0lf shall ne'er go by,
From this day to the ending of the world,
But we in it shall be rememberèd—
We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile,
This day shall gentle his condition;
And gentlemen in England now a-bed
Shall think themselves accurs'd they were not here,
And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks
That fought with us upon Saint SeaW0lf day.

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I think it was around the time that we were furballing, Emely! 😄 The Arras map and the contrast bug made what was bad impossible. I, who have been here since the first day, also noticed that the visibility was not as good as in ROF, and I witnessed several players say the same thing. Perhaps this is a placebo effect and ROF is the same, but over there the contrast is much better, things render properly and reflection is gorgeous. So it was a let down.

 

What happens now, and who is a veteran knows this, so I will say this to the novices, is that we cannot adapt to our spatial perception. For those who are just starting out, trust me, we don’t slack during the flight (😂). I know that some people are talking on comms, and sometimes we answer the phone, check e-mails, but I personally take off and go hunting. We create ways to minimize blind spots on airplanes and we are always looking around, and that requires understanding of our spatial perception. Back in the days of ROF, if we spent some time without flying in full real servers, it took a while to get used to spatial perception in these full real missions again. For those who were already veterans, you readapt faster, but the brain needs to reach that comfort zone of 'knowing' with certain precision the visibility zones. After all that information is downloaded, flying becomes intuitive, and that's when the fun begins. That's when the hunt starts, the strategies start and the competition starts. It is like a soccer player that is acquainted with the ball, the field and the dimensions of the field. He’s not worried with these things anymore, and this is when magic happens.

 

However, so far I haven't been able to find that comfort zone (has it been two years since FC was launched?). Taking-off means not knowing my visibility areas and I end up depending on flak, which is buggy at the moment, or tracers, chat messages or just luck. Rather than worrying about hunting and playing, I worry about technical problems, and that ends up with all the fun. I am playing so far out of sheer stubbornness. My eyes get blurry after a while (trying to see something) and I never know what's going to happen because I can't see a f* thing. The bug reports that I posted are alarming.

 

Just yesterday, moments before this incident, I was thinking: “In my experience, I think I'm safe, but I can't be sure, because this game is all buggy, so there is nothing to do. All I can do is to keep flying and gamble”. Moments later I was flamed out of nowhere. That's the problem. I could stop flying in these dawn / sunset missions, but then why not stop playing for good? Not long ago I posted the no-flak videos on Cappy. The issue is not the flak, but the fact that we can't see anything.

 

Another issue is rapport. I've said it here before. Even for those who do not understand art, the brain identifies elements that resemble real life. Those are the moments in the game that give us butterflies in our stomachs when we see a river reflecting the sun, an airplane reflecting the sun on the deck (in ROF), those things that the brain knows and tells you: “This is real, here are some goosebumps for ya!”. But if the game is too far from reality, the brain does not recognize things. Then you have to rationalize a fake universe and try to understand how things work in this fake universe. The tiredness of chasing pixels comes in, the view becomes blurry after a while, the game gets exhausting, and it becomes a physical exercise instead of putting intuition to work.

 

Honestly, I don't know how things got to where they are, but this engine seems to be infinitely inferior in that sense and we are just flying blind out there. In a simulator? I’m not that attached anymore, so it does not bother me as it did in the past, but I honestly have no idea how they will pull this off.

 

And this is why I’m considering leaving to greener pastures. This is no fun. And one of the things I like the most is the tactics. I might be wrong; it might be because I’m a lone wolf, but the several minutes before the engagement is where it all starts. This is where the “mission oriented” enters the scene.

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Unfortunately I do think the same about rendering environment in Il2GB vs ROF , it also do not convince my brain, do not mimics natural phenomenons in "right or enough" way ... but hey there are plans to change render from forward to deferred it might change for better I hope so !

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4 hours ago, SeaW0lf said:

And this is why I’m considering leaving to greener pastures. This is no fun. And one of the things I like the most is the tactics. I might be wrong; it might be because I’m a lone wolf, but the several minutes before the engagement is where it all starts. This is where the “mission oriented” enters the scene.

 

Between the visibility issues and people using VR, I'm just grateful for AI gunners.

 

They help tremendously for spotting planes that are coming from below which are almost impossible to see. "Gunner's up!" is basically the new "Enemy contact!". It works just as well for us as it works for our scout escorts, and we no longer get jumped from below, which was definitely the case in the first few months of going from RoF to FC, when Darling and I still flew the Bristol together as pilot/gunner and got attacked and flamed out of nowhere all the time.

 

That doesn't mean that we don't do any spotting anymore. Obviously we still scan around for planes, since by the time the gunner gets up, it's typically "too late" and the enemy may already have moved into an advantageous position, but it also means you can relax your eyes a little bit and there's no real need to squint around for tiny dots. I seriously messed up my eyes with that over the years, to the point that I have chronic dry eyes now. Even tiny dirt specks on my monitor don't bother me anymore, since it's no longer a game of "spot the dots". And in an actual fight you need to keep sight as you angle around, which is what it's really about.

 

This is way more fun than RoF ever was, and speaking from limited real life experience, the visibility of planes at a distance is more realistic, even if AI gunners are "gaming the game" a bit.

 

You should consider joining up with us for a couple of flights. The Dr.I is perfect at escorting the CL.II, as they have similar top speed. You don't even need to be on comms, you'll notice it soon enough when something comes into range.

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Those gunners can also give away position if you are hiding , shooting from long distance, making enemy do aware that somewhere there is low flying gun bus which would be invisible otherwise. :)

 

Guess return fire would be that command and looking only if he stand up .

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@SeaW0lf I feel exactly as you do.  When these issues are corrected, I will return to flying regularly; but for the moment, if I am going to be frustrated in my gaming, I'd rather it be due to the difficulty in overtaking at Monaco, than not knowing whether the game is going to let me see what is plainly in front of me today when I get in the cockpit.  It's even worse when you are effected by the bug.  I was pretty stoked that day when I blasted the hell out of you on a bounce- I caught SeaW0lf sleeping :) -only to find out that you literally couldn't see me before I opened fire.  Worst feeling in the world.

 

So I've taken a step back for now.  If they fix it, I'll be back.

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51 minutes ago, J5_Hellbender said:

 

You should consider joining up with us for a couple of flights. The Dr.I is perfect at escorting the CL.II, as they have similar top speed. You don't even need to be on comms, you'll notice it soon enough when something comes into range.

 

Screw that! Join us in SPADs. 

 

Women will want you.

 

Men will want to be you.

 

Join us.

 

(There may not be enough SPADs depending on map though)

 

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1 hour ago, 1PL-Husar-1Esk said:

FC is still tremendous fun , despite know issues !

Agreed, and it took me a while to warm up to it.

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2 hours ago, US213_Talbot said:

 

Screw that! Join us in SPADs. 

 

Women will want you.

 

Men will want to be  backdoor you.

 

Join us.

 

(There may not be enough SPADs depending on map though)

 

😋

 

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Everyone has black days .. After the last FiF in RoF, I was determined to completely quit virtual flights. But my fellow soldier in the Legion, Mauser, began to fly to the FC, well, I tried with him a couple of times.  And I thought - why not?  There is a lot of unfairness in this game, but no more than in real life.  Try to find justice in nature - it does not exist at all, it is just the fruit of human consciousness)) In general, if you can’t change the situation, you can change your attitude towards it.  Take a time out, take a week off from this addiction 🙂

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3 hours ago, US213_Talbot said:

Screw that! Join us in SPADs. 

 

Women will want you.

Fly an Alb like a real man. Most women prefer the good looking type that sticks around, not the one that shoots his load in a single pass then takes off.:P

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1 hour ago, US213_Talbot said:

Hit it and quit it, I say!

Ow! In da hot tub!

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18 hours ago, J5_Hellbender said:

 

Between the visibility issues and people using VR, I'm just grateful for AI gunners.

 

They help tremendously for spotting planes that are coming from below which are almost impossible to see. "Gunner's up!" is basically the new "Enemy contact!". It works just as well for us as it works for our scout escorts, and we no longer get jumped from below, which was definitely the case in the first few months of going from RoF to FC, when Darling and I still flew the Bristol together as pilot/gunner and got attacked and flamed out of nowhere all the time.

 

That doesn't mean that we don't do any spotting anymore. Obviously we still scan around for planes, since by the time the gunner gets up, it's typically "too late" and the enemy may already have moved into an advantageous position, but it also means you can relax your eyes a little bit and there's no real need to squint around for tiny dots. I seriously messed up my eyes with that over the years, to the point that I have chronic dry eyes now. Even tiny dirt specks on my monitor don't bother me anymore, since it's no longer a game of "spot the dots". And in an actual fight you need to keep sight as you angle around, which is what it's really about.

 

This is way more fun than RoF ever was, and speaking from limited real life experience, the visibility of planes at a distance is more realistic, even if AI gunners are "gaming the game" a bit.

 

You should consider joining up with us for a couple of flights. The Dr.I is perfect at escorting the CL.II, as they have similar top speed. You don't even need to be on comms, you'll notice it soon enough when something comes into range.

 

Well, to admit that we have to fly two-seaters to circumvent the current mess is to accept defeat 😉 And thanks for the invite! I will consider. I was reading some posts about cloud mods and the modder is saying that clouds got from 128 samples to 64, hence why banding might be more noticeble. Perhaps the sky is also low and is just eating slim profiles like planes and stuff.

 

 

18 hours ago, J28w-Broccoli said:

@SeaW0lf I feel exactly as you do.  When these issues are corrected, I will return to flying regularly; but for the moment, if I am going to be frustrated in my gaming, I'd rather it be due to the difficulty in overtaking at Monaco, than not knowing whether the game is going to let me see what is plainly in front of me today when I get in the cockpit.  It's even worse when you are effected by the bug.  I was pretty stoked that day when I blasted the hell out of you on a bounce- I caught SeaW0lf sleeping :) -only to find out that you literally couldn't see me before I opened fire.  Worst feeling in the world.

 

So I've taken a step back for now.  If they fix it, I'll be back.

 

Haha, I remember!

 

I'm going to take a few days off. I might find a happy medium. Heck, I might even spend some time in ROF 😂

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1 hour ago, SeaW0lf said:

 

. Heck, I might even spend some time in ROF 😂

 

Plank will be waiting for you.

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3 minutes ago, J5_Klugermann said:

 

Plank will be waiting for you.

 

On second thought...

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2 hours ago, SeaW0lf said:

 

Well, to admit that we have to fly two-seaters to circumvent the current mess is to accept defeat 😉 And thanks for the invite!

 

I'm going to take a few days off. I might find a happy medium. Heck, I might even spend some time in ROF 😂


You’re always welcome to fly along! And you don’t have to fly a two-seater, just use them as bait. 😁

 

Enjoy your RoF holiday and watch out for those Plankturns, regardless which side you’re flying on!

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39 minutes ago, J5_Klugermann said:

 

Plank will be waiting for you.

 

35 minutes ago, SeaW0lf said:

 

On second thought...

 

But not in Wargrounds unless Trump or FourSpeed pardons him.

 

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"I used to spot everything years ago and now visibility got worse".

 

Man, I just went to the doctor yesterday. New glasses is your way (and mine). 😁

 

Also, never fly straight for long. And give grace the sun is not nearly as blinding as IRL, where it hurts looking it, doesn't just cause mild annoyance.

 

And never connect when Larner is on. <--- NOTE TO SELF!

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2 minutes ago, J2_Bidu said:

 

And never connect when Larner is on. <--- NOTE TO SELF!

 

Never, never at night unless you have garlic, holy water and a crucifix in your cockpit or have large mirrors attached to your wings.

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24 minutes ago, J5_Klugermann said:

 

Never, never at night unless you have garlic, holy water and a crucifix in your cockpit or have large mirrors attached to your wings.

 

The Nightman cometh.

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On 2/18/2020 at 6:46 PM, =CfC=FatherTed said:

I blame VR

...by which I mean that the major graphical difference between RoF and FC is the latter's VR-compatibility, hence that might be why spotting is harder in FC than RoF.

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