DCS

[Archie]

Hopefully get the MiG19 this month, bit surprised there's no pre order for it.

[CanadaOne]

Any words of wisdom about the Normandy map these days?

 

I bought it months ago, it looked and ran like a dog's breakfast, and returned it.

 

Has it been improved?

[dburne]

15 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

Any words of wisdom about the Normandy map these days?

 

I bought it months ago, it looked and ran like a dog's breakfast, and returned it.

 

Has it been improved?

 

I would say it has gotten a little smoother , however it is still demanding to run - more so than the other maps imho.

 

[CanadaOne]

8 minutes ago, dburne said:

 

I would say it has gotten a little smoother , however it is still demanding to run - more so than the other maps imho.

 

 

You're always the go-to guy for DCS, thank you.

 

Has the map improved in eye candy that you know of?

[dburne]

9 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

 

You're always the go-to guy for DCS, thank you.

 

Has the map improved in eye candy that you know of?

 

Not really.

Understand I still enjoy it though - just has not changed much.

And you are most welcome!

[Wolf8312]

4 hours ago, CanadaOne said:

Any words of wisdom about the Normandy map these days?

 

I bought it months ago, it looked and ran like a dog's breakfast, and returned it.

 

Has it been improved?

 

Unfortunately the campaigns with the spitfire are still awful to play, with or without ASW/MS, as in the laters case, the spitfire prop causes too many artifacts (can normally ignore but in normandy campaigns it get's ridiculous), and in the formers (no MS) it's just too stuttery.

 

Spitfire devs really need to fix the propeller so it jives with ASW/MS as all the other WW2 modules do, which are so much better in VR performance wise. Trouble is the spit is my favorite module, so I just put up with it, and I have kinda got used to it for the most part. It beats the alternative IMO.

 

The epsom campaign was unplayable (first mission anyway) last time I checked, but if you can put up with the spitfire propeller artifacts (I turn my gun reticle of when not in combat) then sweet Jesus is it immersive! I'm kinda saving these spitfire campaigns for the future though myself though, when hopefully some fixes will come along.

 

Sadly the other german modules have no normandy campaigns, so you will need to design some. Highly recommend you do that anyway really, as the missions can be streamlined with VR performance in mind. But it has to be said, mission making is rather time consuming, and nothing beats flying other peoples missions with all the surprises and polish they often bring. But rememeber you don't always need to make a mission, just edit one and make it run better in VR.

 

Check out the Mustang campaigns, as the mustang works much better in VR/ASW. I havent tried these campaigns myself yet -despite buying them- because I suck in the mustang basically, but I reckon the missions will no doubt be set up with more historical accuracy (IE above 20,000 feet) in mind, so kills won't be as difficult.

 

I think normandy is a beautiful map, but the trees from a low altitude still let it down visually IMO. Performance is perfectly playable, but as mentioned above, it's best to make some missions yourself, as many of the user made missions are much too demanding for VR.

 

One thing I will say though is VR/DCS is strange. Mine was running like crap recently and I thought it was the update, then suddenly its working as good as it was when we got the big update a few months ago.

 

Might sound weird, but you gotta break it in a bit sometimes as well! Keep in mind the first mission is always full of stutters as things (damage model) are loaded in for the first time, so don't take that mission as any yardstick. The next time you play it should be much smoother in this regard.

 

What I do is set up a random dogfight, and before I start on any big missions or campaigns I fly around and fight, in order to get the stutters out of its system. It works pretty well.

 

[Lusekofte]

Well DCS got simple enough ME for single missions , COD too. But making a good campaign in Both require a higher user interface. MP missions in COD require coding and a great deal of learning. So I am not sure all in all ME in GB is that much harder to learn, just another way of doing so. 

[Tuesday]

4 hours ago, CanadaOne said:

[...] For my part, I'm not much of a campaign flyer. I'm all about the sandbox aspect. Just fly and see what happens. [...]

 

 

You've tried the Through The Inferno missions before?  There is one for WWII on the Normandy map.

 

Available for single player and co-op use; you can spawn various types of missions and air threats on the fly.  Great for the sandbox approach without having to go into the mission editor.

 

 

[CanadaOne]

DCS has a sale on at their site, but haven't seen it on Steam yet. Don't they always do both?

 

Edit: Just saw a post saying the Steam sale will be around Feb 12. Don't know if that's accurate, but there it is.

Edited February 2, 2019 by CanadaOne

[=WoVi=cercataa]

On 2/2/2019 at 2:53 AM, CanadaOne said:

DCS has a sale on at their site, but haven't seen it on Steam yet. Don't they always do both?

 

I have read that Steam Lunar sale starts today, in 2:30 hours from now, at 19:00 CET

 

Last year, during the Steam Lunar Sale (15-19Feb) there were also sales on IL-2 products, and the sale lasted some more days on the IL-2 shop

[CanadaOne]

Maybe it will be there when I finish work.

 

I might grab a plane.

[=WoVi=cercataa]

3 hours ago, CanadaOne said:

I might grab a plane.

 

Just one ? Many one now on sale, for DCS and IL-2 ... I want them all !!!! ?

[CanadaOne]

3 hours ago, =SFF=_cercataa said:

 

Just one ? Many one now on sale, for DCS and IL-2 ... I want them all !!!! ?

 

If you could pick a few leaves off your money tree for me...

[Danziger]

Yeah I finally caved and bought BS2. Still think it's pretty gay I had BS1 and had to buy it again to work in DCSW.

[Trooper117]

Just bought 'The Big Show'... also have the Epsom campaign as well.

I'll have to get round to playing these now I guess  

[CanadaOne]

I'm stuck, I just want one plane but it's hard to decide. Even considering the WWII assets package.

 

I could hunt Panzers in my P-51 as they rampage through Las Vegas.

[dburne]

6 hours ago, Danziger said:

Yeah I finally caved and bought BS2. Still think it's pretty gay I had BS1 and had to buy it again to work in DCSW.

 

It's worth it, I did the same quite some time ago.

[Guest deleted@83466]

Regarding the original Black Shark, I think it's pretty ridiculous that some people believe that something they bought 10 years ago is going to work forever, and that spending 60 bucks back in 2009 means you'll never have to spend another dime.

[Rolling_Thunder]

2 hours ago, SeaSerpent said:

Regarding the original Black Shark, I think it's pretty ridiculous that some people believe that something they bought 10 years ago is going to work forever, and that spending 60 bucks back in 2009 means you'll never have to spend another dime.

Yeah but were talking DCS here. Every other module is in a perpetual unfinished state forever changing, goalposts moving, nobody is asked to pay for changes/improvements to the A-10C or any other module every time a new patch is introduced. My P-51 worked in 1 point whatever I wasn't asked to pay for an upgrade to 2 point whatever. 

Which this

 

14 hours ago, Danziger said:

Yeah I finally caved and bought BS2. Still think it's pretty gay I had BS1 and had to buy it again to work in DCSW.

pretty much boils down to.

[SCG_motoadve]

Is discounted right now.

Worth it?

I hear the DM and AI are horrible and online no too active.

[ZachariasX]

1 minute ago, II./JG77_motoadve said:

Is discounted right now.

Worth it?

I hear the DM and AI are horrible and online no too active.

At a discount, I think it is a real proposition if you care more deeply about the aircraft. You get the procedures in the cockpit. They look nice as well. They are on a level somewhere near decent payware for P3D, so you are really getting something. As for the dakkadakkadakka, I don't care much for it. Everything it has beyond BoX you don't really need for that. On the other hand, it becomes apparent how much it is short of BoX for being a good CFS game.

 

I have all WW2 modules, and I like them to go through the hoops for procedures etc. and I think for that the discount price is really fair.

[AndyJWest]

DCS simulates cockpits. IL-2 GB simulates combat. Take your pick...

[Rolling_Thunder]

Unless you have a pretty decent computer it's not worth it. The performance on Normandy is horrendous. Instead of producing a new FW190, mosquito etc they need to take a look at the map.

The DM is, like everything else in DCS, "being worked" on. Only God himself knows when that will be complete. ED don't know, they don't. That's a fact. 

Online is a crap shoot. Because they have two clients in open use, Beta and release, the online community is split between the two.

All in all it's a mess. Is it worth it? Even on sale no it's not worth it.

[56RAF_Roblex]

DCS has good graphics and flight models and clickable cockpits and if you want to start your aircraft using every switch, button & lever needed in the original then it is great.   What it lacks is MP playability.   The basic problem with DCS is that it caters for people who want to fly classic aircraft  in an  airshow environment.  This means they will build whatever aircraft are 'cool' and thus easy to sell but with no thought for historical matchups.    This means that the 1942 Spitfire has no opponent from the same timeframe. The 1944 P51D is reasonably matched with the  Fw190D but outclassed by the 1945 Bf109K that really didn't see much action before Germany surrendered.    Your chances of seeing anything less glamorous like a Hurricane or a bomber are practically nil despite the initial promises including B17s & Typhoons amongst others.    It is also has terrible visibility problems which makes combat very difficult and although some people have managed to put together some 'fun' co-ops they are limited and the online multiplayer combat scenarios are very unsatisfactory.

 

[BOO]

1 hour ago, II./JG77_motoadve said:

Is discounted right now.

Worth it?

I hear the DM and AI are horrible and online no too active.

And it should stay discounted for the many unresolved problems, constipated progress and broken promises.........

[SCG_motoadve]

Glad I asked, thanks guys.

I will not bother.

[Danziger]

I also caved and bought the Gazelle and the L39.

[dburne]

I enjoy it for what it is and use it mainly as a study sim, learning aircraft and procedural stuff.

For some great combat action/campaign and career flying IL-2.

[Jade_Monkey]

3 hours ago, Rolling_Thunder said:

Unless you have a pretty decent computer it's not worth it. The performance on Normandy is horrendous. Instead of producing a new FW190, mosquito etc they need to take a look at the map.

 

Hmmm, the worrisome part is that the normandy map was done by Yugra media, the third party that did the Po-2 and some Moskow and Kuban assets.

 

4 hours ago, AndyJWest said:

DCS simulates cockpits. IL-2 GB simulates combat. Take your pick...

 

In all honesty, is DCS worth it if you intend to use the auto-start procedure? (Win+Home or something like that)

[AndyJWest]

37 minutes ago, Jade_Monkey said:

In all honesty, is DCS worth it if you intend to use the auto-start procedure? (Win+Home or something like that)

 

• Not for WW2, in my opinion. There are too many issues, as has already been pointed out by others. For fast jets and helicopters, there really isn't any competition,  whether you are into switch-twiddling or not. I shall probably buy the Gazelle in the sale, but I doubt I'll memorise the startup procedure.

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

5 hours ago, AndyJWest said:

DCS simulates cockpits. IL-2 GB simulates combat.

Utter rubbish. 

 

I've been flying both Il-2 and DCS for 4+ years now and I have as much air to air combat in first one as in latter one. Wouldnt say Il-2 is in any way superior in that combat aspect, save for damage models - which recently here were (are) going through uphills and downhills. 

 

5 hours ago, Rolling_Thunder said:

Unless you have a pretty decent computer it's not worth it. The performance on Normandy is horrendous.

Mind if I ask when was the last time you've tried Normandy ? It saw a major update in June 2018 which improved performance for me by 20-30 FPS in some cases. I can now run Normandy with 80 - 100 FPS in the air with high settings at 3440x1440p, only a bit less, than I get with Il-2. 

 

3 hours ago, II./JG77_motoadve said:

Glad I asked, thanks guys.

I will not bother.

In my humble opinion 30 $ for a map and assets bundle is ok, map is fairly detailed and while it looks sometimes oversaturated, its very pleasent to fly over. Assets are frequently expanded with addition of some objects and vehicles, most recently they've shown Centaur IV. As for the aircraft, well, they all cost the same on a discount - 25 $. Personally Id go with P-51, but if you fancy Luftwaffe birds you can try D-9. 

[AndyJWest]

@ =362nd_FS=Hiromachi

 

Simulating WW2 air combat realistically, as far as I'm concerned, involves more than fighter aircraft gathered seemingly at random for non-historical jousts over a bland battlefield. 

 

As for how long you've been flying DCS or IL-2, is that supposed to somehow impress anyone? Because if you think it does, I've got bad news for you...

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

5 minutes ago, AndyJWest said:

Simulating WW2 air combat realistically, as far as I'm concerned, involves more than fighter aircraft gathered seemingly at random for non-historical jousts over a bland battlefield. 

That reminds me of something ... oh wait, BoBP currently ? Bunch of fighter aircraft gathered seemingly at random for non-historical jousts over a bland russian steppe. And not even a flyable Mosquito in sight ... 

 

7 minutes ago, AndyJWest said:

As for how long you've been flying DCS or IL-2, is that supposed to somehow impress anyone? Because if you think it does, I've got bad news for you...

No, its just my experience so that I have something to say about comparing the two over extensive period. It's not supposed to impress anyone, especially you. 

[CanadaOne]

I was looking at the Mig-21, and the Fw-190, thought about the Harrier...

 

...ended up buying Flying Circus.

 

When DCS does the Bronco, I'm in.

[SCG_motoadve]

I dont feel he was trying to impress anyone,he  was just being helpful.

Why does every thread in this community ends up in a stupid argument?, that really sucks!

[Aap]

7 hours ago, =362nd_FS=Hiromachi said:

That reminds me of something ... oh wait, BoBP currently ? Bunch of fighter aircraft gathered seemingly at random for non-historical jousts over a bland russian steppe.

 

Seriously? BoBP, which will have detailed map of the area around Operation Bodenplatte and aircraft that were most numerous during that mentioned operation, reminds you of the WWII DCS state, which has four WWII fighters from different historical years, one of which never flew over Normandy? "Currently" BoBP is in early access, which is well known, but there is no reason to doubt that the promised map with matching aircraft will be released during this year.

[ZachariasX]

@II./JG77_motoadve I don‘t know if you have installed DCS at all, but the TP-51 is included for free and it is a good representation of the rest of the WW2 modules.

 

If you are fine with the matchup of the planes present, it can be fun, you can put B-17 in missions. You don‘t have that in BoX. Also shoud you care for plowing mud, it works fine. There is just not much of a game there yet besides the campaigns.

[=362nd_FS=Hiromachi]

1 hour ago, II./JG77_Kemp said:

 

Seriously? BoBP, which will have detailed map of the area around Operation Bodenplatte and aircraft that were most numerous during that mentioned operation, reminds you of the WWII DCS state, which has four WWII fighters from different historical years, one of which never flew over Normandy? "Currently" BoBP is in early access, which is well known, but there is no reason to doubt that the promised map with matching aircraft will be released during this year.

There was that little "currently". And yes, it does. You have / will have pretty much the same fighters, just a bit different variants (P-47 D-28 vs D-38, P-51 D-25 vs D-15, 109 K-4 with 1.8 Ata vs 1.98 Ata, Spitfire IX vs Spitfire IX). DCS will also have another map. No, two new ww2 maps according to ED. Of course there's no telling when, but thats not far from "BoBp will have". 

And please dont tell me how this coherent map and aircraft stuff is so important since most people dont give a damn whether they fly on KoTA or WoL over Stalingrad with La-5FN or K-4 over Kuban. 

 

Sidenote: I'm not trying to slam the Il-2. If I didnt like it, Id not be investing in it over the years. I just dont see how BoBp is considered "combat sim" and DCS is not. Where is the hardline ? What makes one and other not. For me both give you all the combat experience average flight sim pilot looks for, especially since few sim pilots care about realistic flying, implementing ww2 tactics, formation flying and communication. 

[Legioneod]

For WW2 DCS isnt really worth it unless you just want to learn the aircraft. I enjoy them but when it comes to having an actual immersive experience and good multiplayer Il2 is much better.

Plus DCS is very poorly optimized and barely loads for me for the most part.

[SYN_Haashashin]

Hi,

 

Use the DCS topic already open to discuss anything to do with it (yeah I know it’s called DCS news but it is what it is)

 

Locked

 

Haash