DCS

[Lusekofte]

On 4/9/2024 at 4:50 PM, BOO said:

When did that happen? I’m afraid I haven’t been able to play for a year 

I think it been a while. I will test it when I got a chance. Maybe tomorrow 

I had no idea that helper assisted with this stuff Iturned off all assist when I noticed one of my ww2 modules that suppose to be a challange wasn’t. 

[[CPT]Pike*HarryM]

Yeah, noticed same with P-47 and other props it defaults to having assist checked.

[Art-J]

Keep in mind some assists can still be "hardcoded" by creator of specific stock mission in the game and override your own preferrable settings even if you ticked the option to always keep them on.

 

For example, some of warbird tutorial missions have rudder assist forced on.

[BOO]

12 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

I think it been a while. I will test it when I got a chance. Maybe tomorrow 

I had no idea that helper assisted with this stuff Iturned off all assist when I noticed one of my ww2 modules that suppose to be a challange wasn’t. 

I last flew in Feb of last year. The tick box I remember as a source of issues was "Auto Pilot Control" so its not a new option. I never found the module stable or predicatble on take off with it enabled so simply had AP set to a switch to toggle on/off. If something has changed in the past 12 months I must have missed it but, if it hasnt, I'll be sticking to the toggle when I eventually get to fly again. 

 

As far as the Multicrew introduction went, I was only aware that it added positions to be manned by other players and  possibly prevented a single player changing positions in MP intially at least. I wasnt aware it added any additional AI functionality and dont think it did which comes back to different methods suiting different players and no right or wrong answer. 

Edited April 14, 2024 by BOO

[Lusekofte]

3 hours ago, BOO said:

I last flew in Feb of last year

May I ask why you stopped fly it, I remember you mentioned it was one of your intergameish favorites in a not too far away period. 
I can personally stop all flying for a long while without any agony. Except choppers in DCS. 
I can’t do without them. If only for 10 minutes a week , I am a happy camper. 

Edited April 14, 2024 by Lusekofte

[BOO]

3 minutes ago, Lusekofte said:

May I ask why you stopped fly it, I remember you mentioned it was one of your intergameish favorites in a not too far away period. 
I can personally stop all flying for a long while without any agony. Except choppers in DCS. 
I can’t do without them. If only for 10 minutes a week , I am a happy camper. 

Home Circumstances.  Currently my house is curious mix between a disused hospital ward and a UN warehouse. Makes dragging out out my sim gear impossible. Hopefuly later this year that will change and am already weighing up a new Monstertec chair rig and an all new Virpil set up for that day! Heck Im even considering VR. 

[Lusekofte]

Ok. I can too live with circumstances as long as I know I am getting it back

Due to my medical condition we are selling our very expensive house and get a cheaper house. Smaller and placed outside the city center. We were planning to do so when retirement came up. Now I plan for a life without mortgage and less work. 
Funny enough it is my needed space for a flight sim that make choosing difficult. 
One of my mates. Chief mouser , he tried that Pico vr set. He did not like the experience. He returned it. So don’t bet in first go you will love VR. I myself consider ditching it for a more simpit multiscreen mip setup. I just say. If you buy, make sure you can return if you not like it

Edited April 14, 2024 by Lusekofte

[BOO]

2 minutes ago, Lusekofte said:

Ok. I can too live with circumstances as long as I know I am getting it back

Absense makes the heart grow fonder and all that.....Of all the sims, DCS and its Hip I miss the most as a single player. Of the rest I miss Clod in the pre Blitz days were servers were a little more popular and GB when its was the Eastern Front only. Im really looking forward to coming back as a player and think 2025 should be a good time to do so. Thankfully I should have a decent budget not to have to compromise on what works for me either which is always a nice position to be in. 

[BOO]

30 minutes ago, Lusekofte said:

Ok. I can too live with circumstances as long as I know I am getting it back

Due to my medical condition we are selling our very expensive house and get a cheaper house. Smaller and placed outside the city center. We were planning to do so when retirement came up. Now I plan for a life without mortgage and less work. 
Funny enough it is my needed space for a flight sim that make choosing difficult. 
One of my mates. Chief mouser , he tried that Pico vr set. He did not like the experience. He returned it. So don’t bet in first go you will love VR. I myself consider ditching it for a more simpit multiscreen mip setup. I just say. If you buy, make sure you can return if you not like it

Im sorry to hear about your health Luse. LIttle point in making money an additional worry thats for sure.

 

I think i will start with something like a Quest 3 over a Somnium or Crystal. If I like it enough  ill invest in some of the price doubling aftermarket gear like a better headband, battery pack etc. If I still like VR after a while, ill upgrade further. If I dont get on with it my lad can have it to go with my current PC and perhaps a second hand 3080ti or 4080 and  I'll shove some money into a good, big, flatscreen. Regardless of the ultimate route 3D or 2D, I'll be upping my PC so it should be good for either and for a few years to come. 

 

First though is the chair. I need to work out for sure if I miss simming or miss the notion of simming. I think, in truth, I miss multiplayer and squads/co-ops more than anything. Sadly DCS MP looks frankly terrifying to get into and  forays into post Rhineland GB left me a little cold in comparision to a few years ago. 

[DD_Crash]

Get a Quest 3 from Amazon and a cable. You have a free return if you dont like it. DCS is getting more popular with the DangerDogz so why not check us out.

[BOO]

12 minutes ago, DD_Crash said:

Get a Quest 3 from Amazon and a cable. You have a free return if you dont like it. DCS is getting more popular with the DangerDogz so why not check us out.

Well Im afraid Arthur might eat me for a start! 🙂 Seriously though I really appreciare the offer and advice. Once Im back up and running I''d love to tag along. 

[DD_Crash]

Arthur doesnt show up much. Fruitbat and Fennrir are a great source of knowledge and I am sure they will help a lot. We fly DCS on a Monday and Thursday evenings so when you get set up join in.

[Lusekofte]

I myself love flying choppers in vr. And in Gb I care less of those behind me I don’t see. It is a great feeling to be in the cockpit. But in more complex choppers and planes I miss a real pit where I can see all my buttons. 
I can afford high end vr and a new computer. But there are even better vr coming. Yet not more comfortable. I am awaiting a vr with less humid and better field of view. The better one coming offer to me neglect-able improvements. I want a revolution before I give that amount of money into it. Quest 3 is a good choice. In that regard. It is a good piece of wait it out equipment. I have a g2 and will use it to its fail. After that I take my decision 

when I move I will make a pit suitable for both things

[Aapje]

1 hour ago, BOO said:

I think i will start with something like a Quest 3 over a Somnium or Crystal. If I like it enough  ill invest in some of the price doubling aftermarket gear like a better headband, battery pack etc.

 

It's pretty impressive if you manage to spend that much in upgrades. I personally think that the headstrap upgrade is mandatory and makes an immense difference. If you get the one with the battery, that's both battery and counterweight sorted as well. Lens inserts are great if you have broken eyes like me. Handstraps are more of a detriment if you use it purely for flight simming and use the controllers only briefly.

 

1 hour ago, BOO said:

 

If I still like VR after a while, ill upgrade further. If I dont get on with it my lad can have it to go with my current PC and perhaps a second hand 3080ti or 4080

 

What GPU do you have now? Keep in mind that VR is very demanding.

 

[Lusekofte]

1 minute ago, Aapje said:

What GPU do you have now? Keep in mind that VR is very demanding.

He knows. I think he will get a gpu enough for high end vr. But holding back on vr a bit until he knows it is what he wants. 
a quest 3 is easily sold again in aftermarket 

[BOO]

29 minutes ago, Aapje said:

 

It's pretty impressive if you manage to spend that much in upgrades. I personally think that the headstrap upgrade is mandatory and makes an immense difference. If you get the one with the battery, that's both battery and counterweight sorted as well. Lens inserts are great if you have broken eyes like me. Handstraps are more of a detriment if you use it purely for flight simming and use the controllers only briefly.

 

 

What GPU do you have now? Keep in mind that VR is very demanding.

 

Ive got 3080 but ill only use one eye at a time........

 

Im under no illusions about the power required for VR or for that matter flight sims.  In fact the 3080 I have now was specced to run DCS flatscreen in 1080P (1440P at a push). I could have gone for a 3060 perhaps but I like settings as maxed as possible and I dont overclock gpus as Im still a strong believer in not mixing water with electricity. In DCS I can happily crush a stock 3080 down into the low 70s at 1080P without too much effort so I dont expect miracles in VR even with a 5090.

 

My next build though will be a 5090 (or whatever the naming convention is) running on whatever Chip is considered "da bomb" after next December or whenever I eventually get hold of a 5090. But only if Ive gotten back into it and decided its worth it. 

Edited April 14, 2024 by BOO

[Aapje]

@BOO

 

I wondered because you mentioned upgrading to a 3080 Ti, which is definitely not worth it from a 3080. A 3080 isn't that bad and can at least give you a good taste of whether you will like VR flying.

 

 

[BOO]

51 minutes ago, Aapje said:

@BOO

 

I wondered because you mentioned upgrading to a 3080 Ti, which is definitely not worth it from a 3080. A 3080 isn't that bad and can at least give you a good taste of whether you will like VR flying.

 

 

Thats true. Id have to see what he wanted to use it for. 4080s and 3090s aint so badly priced these days (comparatively) and id imagine they will be lower still once the 5000 settles.. Actually Id have to see if hes even going to get his hands on it first! 🙂  For DCS ive become rather used to decent settings albeit at 1080P. So I know a 3080 wouldnt cut the mustard to a level id desire and I dont want to be judging VR without giving it a fair crack. Something like 4090 or above also opens up the potential to drive the Quest harder in terms of resolution upscaling etc. And if I dont like, a 5090 will drive a good monitor at a good resolution potentially above 120 fps even in DCS which is where TIR sits at 1:1 with the refresh rate. 

[DD_Arthur]

9 hours ago, BOO said:

Well Im afraid Arthur might eat me for a start! 🙂 

Not me. I’m a pacifist these days.
This week me and my beloved Kodiak 100 are mostly exploring New Zealand.
I’m hoping the urge to drop big lumps of exploding ironmongery will return when I retire in three hundred and seventy two days, fifteen hours and thirty-five minutes.

 

Not that I’m looking forward to retirement much.

 

You’d enjoy the Dogz. It’s like the Goon Show meets Top Gun.

 

Did I tell you about my retirement? It’s now only eight thousand nine hundred and twenty eight hours and twenty five minutes away…

 

 

Oh look, another three minutes less to my retirement now…

[Dagwoodyt]

I am quite happy with an Aero I bought near end of its production run. Great fun doing 1v1's in DCS with Ace AI, both of us in I-16's. Things happen so fast that I'm having to learn to predict where the AI will go. Given the Aero's image clarity and DFR, framerates over Mesquite hover near 90 without ghosting. Fingers crossed on durability. Now though I've caught the ffb "bug" and imagining the same dogfights with ffb stick and pedals, maybe in the next two years?

[Lusekofte]

11 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

This week me and my beloved Kodiak 100 are mostly exploring New Zealand.

It is on me and my wife’s bucket list. Feel free to share those photo.  I am above average interested. 

11 hours ago, Dagwoodyt said:

pedals

I talked to several people about ffb pedals. Some owns it. They say it is only really beneficial in dual cockpits. 

[DD_Crash]

11 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

I’m hoping the urge to drop big lumps of exploding ironmongery will return

 

 

 

 

Go on Arthur, you know you want to......

[Dagwoodyt]

1 hour ago, Lusekofte said:

I talked to several people about ffb pedals. Some owns it. They say it is only really beneficial in dual cockpits.

That's kind of good to news as pedals require their own PSU. I'd like to know more about why users believe ffb pedals are only of benefit in dual cockpits.

[Aapje]

I think that FFB pedals would be the last thing you'd upgrade to. A FFB joystick should offer much better feedback, so I'd always pick a FFB joystick + non-FFB rudder over the opposite. And FFB in a rudder also requires way more power since our legs are much stronger than our arms. For example, the Brunner rudder pedals provide 210 Newton of peak force, versus 7 Newton in their joystick and 9 Newton for the VPForce Rhino.

 

 

[Dagwoodyt]

1 hour ago, Aapje said:

For example, the Brunner rudder pedals provide 210 Newton of peak force, versus 7 Newton in their joystick and 9 Newton for the VPForce Rhino.

 

Newton vs Newton-meter?

[Aapje]

10 minutes ago, Dagwoodyt said:

Newton vs Newton-meter?

Oops, you are right, they do seem to use different measurements.

[Lusekofte]

4 hours ago, Dagwoodyt said:

That's kind of good to news as pedals require their own PSU. I'd like to know more about why users believe ffb pedals are only of benefit in dual cockpits.

In DCS community news a month or two before last Christmas I did have same discussion about ffb in general. And did mention my wishes for ffb pedals as well. 
Originally I asked about Brünner fb stick and its overheating problem and how he dealt with it. 
About the pedals, it can be a misunderstanding if they believed I was into only jets. The other guy I spoke to had a double home made pit and wanted pedals to correspond with each other. He did not see any use for it in DCS normal game play. They had no obvious advantages nor more immersion in use that he noticed. And recommended  high end normal one with dampers instead. 
I was not talking about what I used sim for nor what I did. I guess you will have buffering in warplanes like in the stick. And a better adjustment. To me it seems to little compared to price. It is just my subjective opinion and his

And I might talked to the other guy on FB. Chemo therapy has made my head like mush. I cannot remember anything clearly and my vocabulary is like a child. Short term memory is also out the door. I have to read your post just to ensure my mind wasn’t drifting and I answered a imaginary question

[BOO]

I never found "old" ffb to be overly realistic feeling but miss the buffer. What I dont miss is bad game implementation and it crapping out. 

 

Have things improved or was that just a sidewinder issue? I'd be interested a stick base though it would be some way down my already "never ever show the wife the cost" list. Doubt I could ever justify pedals, even to myself.

[Dagwoodyt]

1 hour ago, Lusekofte said:

In DCS community news a month or two before last Christmas I did have same discussion about ffb in general. And did mention my wishes for ffb pedals as well. 
Originally I asked about Brünner fb stick and its overheating problem and how he dealt with it. 
About the pedals, it can be a misunderstanding if they believed I was into only jets. The other guy I spoke to had a double home made pit and wanted pedals to correspond with each other. He did not see any use for it in DCS normal game play. They had no obvious advantages nor more immersion in use that he noticed. And recommended  high end normal one with dampers instead. 
I was not talking about what I used sim for nor what I did. I guess you will have buffering in warplanes like in the stick. And a better adjustment. To me it seems to little compared to price. It is just my subjective opinion and his

And I might talked to the other guy on FB. Chemo therapy has made my head like mush. I cannot remember anything clearly and my vocabulary is like a child. Short term memory is also out the door. I have to read your post just to ensure my mind wasn’t drifting and I answered a imaginary question

Best wishes! My memory is such I dare not imagine it on chemo🙂 

I'd hate to give up my TPR's, but difficult to believe there wouldn't be ffb benefit in WWI/II aircraft. Downside would be the added power consumption and outlets needed. Maintaining stick and pedals in optimal function for the long haul could be a major issue.

 

[DD_fruitbat]

20 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

 

 

You’d enjoy the Dogz. It’s like the Goon Show meets Top Gun.

 

 

 

I don't think you could want for a better description 🤣

 

@BOO, be glad to help you out if you get the flying bug again 👍

[Lusekofte]

1 hour ago, Dagwoodyt said:

Best wishes! My memory is such I dare not imagine it on chemo🙂 

I'd hate to give up my TPR's, but difficult to believe there wouldn't be ffb benefit in WWI/II aircraft. Downside would be the added power consumption and outlets needed. Maintaining stick and pedals in optimal function for the long haul could be a major issue.

 

I just absndoned the idea because in my mind it would be too much rumbeling with both stick and rudders. My vp force allowe for tension resistance and friction whether you will center the stick. The loose stick on the runway that become firmer and firmer the more speed. Of course it will be a difference but will it just be a butt kicker or will it be more. I guess Brünner got a forum. I have no idea if it is worth it

[Lusekofte]

Damn I going to fly glasspit 

 

 

[Trooper117]

Nope... it's not for me.

[Dagwoodyt]

1 hour ago, Lusekofte said:

I guess Brünner got a forum. I have no idea if it is worth it

Brunner pedals 👎

[Lusekofte]

15 minutes ago, Trooper117 said:

Nope... it's not for me.

It is going to be a though one for me. But chinook will be the same and I better Get used to it

[DD_fruitbat]

1 hour ago, Lusekofte said:

Damn I going to fly glasspit 

 

 

 

Can't wait for this one. Really looking forward to this 

 

Been having fun tonight owning the night in an Apache with @DD_Friar flying another one, really is death from above!

 

[Lusekofte]

I cant say Apache is really my thing. I learned the pilot stuff got George to do his things and such. I am more a MI 17 Hind type of guy. 
for sneaky attacks I find KA 50 more satisfying. 

[Gambit21]

7 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

I cant say Apache is really my thing. I learned the pilot stuff got George to do his things and such. I am more a MI 17 Hind type of guy. 
for sneaky attacks I find KA 50 more satisfying. 

 

I'm rather looking forward to the CH-47. I hope I can get past the glass pit...not my favorite thing.

 

Also considering building some CIA, MI-8/Afghanistan stuff...but I'm not sure the how popular that helo is.

I heavily lean Huey, but I'm having a hard time plausibly working it into Afghanistan.

 

Edit: How great would the Osprey be?

 

 

Edited April 16, 2024 by Gambit21

[Lusekofte]

1 hour ago, Gambit21 said:

MI-8/Afghanistan stuff...but I'm not sure the how popular that helo is.

Mi 8 got as big fanbase as Huey, but nobody really expect any love for any of them. So both would be taken with great apprechiation

CH 47 It is another thing. In Apache I hate this keyboard punching thing . I guess It is more a navigation and flight system thingy we might apprechiate

[BOO]

I will have a lot to catch up on when i get back..... F4, Kiowa, Chinook. Let alone the mossie and P47 which Ive done nothing but start up.  I suspect a lot of my SP time will however revert back to the Hip. I (and my frame rate) love its agricultural simplicity and it stil has an incredible soul to it even after all this time. The single best purchase I ever made in flight simming. Im glad for Halfghanistan and the Hip.