DCS

[HazMatt]

On 7/13/2015 at 8:12 AM, carve_gybe1 said:

Interesting stuff.

 

There seems to be some consent that early jets are nice to try on DCS. When I was growing up I regularly heard MIG-21s breaking the sound barrier on training flights. That alone may be enough for me to give DCS a try. I still remember the propaganda-rich radio announcement when the air force of my country acquired the MIG-21s for the first time...they said spoke of delivery of a modern fighter capable of locating and destroying the F-16.... 

 

Capability is one thing, probability is another... but that's propaganda for you!

 

Anyway, back to WWII...thanks for all the insight. Sounds like I will be spending most of my time in my Lagg-3  

 

Carve

Reading this old post got me to checking out the MIG-21 and it seems capable as long as you keep an eye on the fuel gauge...

 

https://youtu.be/qTo8-L0AQZg

Edited February 7, 2024 by HazMatt

[HazMatt]

DCS FC3 looks like it is on sale for $24.99. Is this a good price? It looks like you get  F-15C, A-10A, Su-27, Su-33, MiG-29A, MiG-29S, Su-25T, Su-25, and J-11 for that price? That's less then $3 per aircraft.

I'm really interested cause the $80 per plane was a deal breaker for me but this seems like it might be worth checking out. Am I wrong?

It says they are compatible with DCS world. Is this the place where you see the dogfights like growling sidewinder or is this on a specific server.

[Irishratticus72]

2 hours ago, HazMatt said:

DCS FC3 looks like it is on sale for $24.99. Is this a good price? It looks like you get  F-15C, A-10A, Su-27, Su-33, MiG-29A, MiG-29S, Su-25T, Su-25, and J-11 for that price? That's less then $3 per aircraft.

I'm really interested cause the $80 per plane was a deal breaker for me but this seems like it might be worth checking out. Am I wrong?

It says they are compatible with DCS world. Is this the place where you see the dogfights like growling sidewinder or is this on a specific server.

Flaming Cliffs 3 is a good buy, just remember the planes are simplified versions, no clickable cockpits, though there are some mods available, I used it to ease my way into DCS proper before buying full fidelity modules.  as for Growling Sidewinder, the guy is a freaking legend, he`s the main reason I got into DCS proper, hell, even got his Tomcat Tee-Shirt for Christmas, as far as I know, he sets up his own missions, and had or still has his own server. I also recommend "Grim Reapers", https://www.youtube.com/@grimreapers YouTube channel, Cap is bonkers, but there`s usually enough to keep me interested.

[Gambit21]

10 hours ago, Irishratticus72 said:

Flaming Cliffs 3 is a good buy, just remember the planes are simplified versions, no clickable cockpits, though there are some mods available, I used it to ease my way into DCS proper before buying full fidelity modules.  as for Growling Sidewinder, the guy is a freaking legend, he`s the main reason I got into DCS proper, hell, even got his Tomcat Tee-Shirt for Christmas, as far as I know, he sets up his own missions, and had or still has his own server. I also recommend "Grim Reapers", https://www.youtube.com/@grimreapers YouTube channel, Cap is bonkers, but there`s usually enough to keep me interested.

 

People rip on Cap, but when I need a "just tell me what I need to know" tutorial, he's not a bad choice at all.

Spudknocker is good, but sometimes too much extraneous talking when I just want to know what switches to flip.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited February 8, 2024 by Gambit21

[Robli]

15 hours ago, HazMatt said:

DCS FC3 looks like it is on sale for $24.99. Is this a good price? It looks like you get  F-15C, A-10A, Su-27, Su-33, MiG-29A, MiG-29S, Su-25T, Su-25, and J-11 for that price? That's less then $3 per aircraft.

 

Definitely sounds like a good price. By the way, Su-25T is not part of FC3, but a separate free module. You could just download DCS world and Su-25T and start playing it without purchasing anything. 

 

13 hours ago, Irishratticus72 said:

It says they are compatible with DCS world.

 

Everything that you can buy from DCS website now is compatible with DCS World. This is the environment, where all the servers, missions and everything is run. In the past there were standalone LockOn games, up to Flaming Cliffs 2, these are not compatible with DCS World.

[Art-J]

@HazMatt Remeber, that if you intend to use standalone E-shop version rather than Steam one, you will be able to participate in a free trial program where you can test any DCS module for free for two weeks. You'll need to set up a two-factor authentication, though to do it (contrary to what ED webiste suggests, Google Authenticator is not mandatory, you can use other apps).

[sevenless]

 

[nirvi]

 

Edited February 20, 2024 by LukeFF
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[DBFlyguy]

Very nice and unexpected surprise!

 

 

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

Latest patch smoothened things out for me even more. Had no issues in multiplayer either. 

[Gambit21]

Momentum is ever increasing 

Now give me my AH-1W

[RedeyeStorm]

10 years from now soonest @Gambit21.

[Lusekofte]

2 hours ago, RedeyeStorm said:

10 years from now soonest @Gambit21.

Ah you positive you. How sweet

[DD_fruitbat]

Kiowa and the Phantom are incoming very soon, that will keep me busy along with the continued development of the Mudhen.

 

[Lusekofte]

I manage to stat away from the mudhen @DD_fruitbat, and You're not helping 

[DD_fruitbat]

I really love it, way more than I thought I would, and am looking forward to the journey of more and more features as its early access development continues, still loads to come.

[BOO]

ED seems to have hauled itsekf and DCS into a very happy place of late. 

 

 

 

[DBFlyguy]

 

[AndyJWest]

I keep trying to convince myself that I don't need another DCS jet I'm never going to completely learn. I'm not winning the argument...

[Gambit21]

1 hour ago, AndyJWest said:

I keep trying to convince myself that I don't need another DCS jet I'm never going to completely learn. I'm not winning the argument...

 

It might be a while before you can win that one.

There's some good stuff in the pipeline.

 

 

[Mtnbiker1998]

Still just more hype and eyecandy... Nothing ever changes at ED. I'm more excited for the BMS F-4, I'll actually have something to DO in that one, and they won't charge me $80 for the privilege!

 

After having gone through the process of learning the F-16 and actually trying the Dynamic Campaign in Falcon, I have ZERO interest in going back to DCS anymore, and I strongly suspect if more people tried BMS they'd do the same. Its amazing the things that have forever been "unrealistic to expect in a flight sim" Falcon has been doing since the late 90s... and its only been getting better! Unlike DCS which still has nearly all the same problems and limitations as it did when I first played it in 2014, just with a new shiny coat of paint. 

[Robli]

3 hours ago, Mtnbiker1998 said:

Unlike DCS which still has nearly all the same problems and limitations as it did when I first played it in 2014, just with a new shiny coat of paint. 

 

I understand that you are frustrated with DCS for some reason, but what is the point of saying something so silly?

[Robli]

 

About BMS, I have read lots of good things about it, so maybe it would be worth actually trying it out. The main reason why I have not done that is that I preferred Hornet over Viper and have Hornet HOTAS and I also like to fly Huey (and Hind occasionally), so BMS could not really replace DCS for me, but would be an additional sim and am not sure sure I want to add more sims into the mix. On the other hand I find myself flying the same kind of simple missions over and over again in DCS, which kind of makes the experience repetitive and shallow over time, while I read that the BMS dynamic campaign should make the gameplay a lot more engaging and immersive, so could be more fun. Just still not sure if I should invest my time and energy in yet another sim.

[Lusekofte]

5 hours ago, Mtnbiker1998 said:

to DCS anymore, and I strongly suspect if more people tried BMS they'd do the same.

Nope. Because DCS allowed for 4 minutes fun

[Gambit21]

10 hours ago, Robli said:

 

I understand that you are frustrated with DCS for some reason, but what is the point of saying something so silly?

Yeah - beyond silly.

[Gambit21]

13 hours ago, Mtnbiker1998 said:

Still just more hype and eyecandy... Nothing ever changes at ED. I'm more excited for the BMS F-4, I'll actually have something to DO in that one, and they won't charge me $80 for the privilege!

 

After having gone through the process of learning the F-16 and actually trying the Dynamic Campaign in Falcon, I have ZERO interest in going back to DCS anymore, and I strongly suspect if more people tried BMS they'd do the same. Its amazing the things that have forever been "unrealistic to expect in a flight sim" Falcon has been doing since the late 90s... and its only been getting better! Unlike DCS which still has nearly all the same problems and limitations as it did when I first played it in 2014, just with a new shiny coat of paint. 

Nobody can legitimately argue about the single player superiority that is the BMS dynamic campaign. Even out of the box on release the Falcon 4.0 campaign was something to behold, let alone now I’m sure.

 

That said, pretty much the remainder of your remarks are off-the-rails silly. 
Not to mention the multiple hand-crafted single missions and campaigns already underway for the F-4.

[Lusekofte]

It is a very fruitless discussion to bring in to a DCS section. I have not yet learned A10 and Viper in DCS

How the h*** can I expect time enough to learn them in BMS. 
Besides that I am in for a quick fix of aviation. DCS and GB is perfect for that. And boy, nothing beat DCS choppers, nothing. 
But that is not me telling BMS is shit. Currently it simply just do not tempt me

[Gambit21]

10 hours ago, Lusekofte said:

It is a very fruitless discussion to bring in to a DCS section. 

Aye - especially when the discussion isn’t based on a foundation of objective reality.

 

 

[DD_Arthur]

 

On 2/26/2024 at 1:05 AM, Robli said:

I understand that you are frustrated with DCS for some reason, but what is the point of saying something so silly?

 

Hmmm…or possibly a legitimate but unwelcome opinion?

Luckily my pitchfork is rusty and my flaming torch is too damp to light. It must be that time of year….

(trudges home, shoulders slumped, through the rain)

[Gambit21]

I can make a list of frustrating things, as a content creator, probably more than most... but his post over-shot by a significant margin I think. BMS F-4...Uh huh...all credibility out the window there.

 

DCS has made significant improvements in recent history, and is steaming forward at a nice pace. Single player content beyond the 'bespoke' campaigns is an issue, and for some modules a huge issue. If you're a Hornet driver you're in good shape, and from there depending on the module it descends into nearly as much quality content, (F-14 maybe) to a wasteland. 

 

What time periods will the dynamic campaign (when it finally comes) address? Will I be covered as a MiG 19 or MiG 17 pilot? F-4?

We shall see.

 

BMS has you covered (mind you a campaign engine does not provide the same level of immersion as a scripted campaign)  at the expense of comparatively horrible visuals which I think one might sell DCS short by reducing this aspect of realism to simply "eye candy" as the fidelity of the DCS engine, weather, textures, new cockpit standards etc lends to the feeling of immersion, if lacking immersion in areas where BMS excels. 

 

Anyway, ignorant spouting off here is no more appropriate than doing the same in the BMS forum.

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

Anyone else noticed issues with disappearing planes if using MT in current released? Need to test More, but so far no really big issues. Some of them could be related to graphics settings I am using too.

[Robli]

11 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

Hmmm…or possibly a legitimate but unwelcome opinion?

 

Legitimate opinion that DCS has all the same problems and limitations as in 2014, only looks better now? In what way can that kind of opinion be possibly "legitimate"? Even DCS World 1.5 was not released in 2014 yet. No need to post here pages and pages and pages of improvements that have been done to DCS World itself and to all the aircraft and other content after that. That kind of claim can not be "legitimate" in any form or way, no matter how much somebody hates DCS.

[AndyJWest]

Regardless of the flaws of DCS ( it clearly has some) and the merits or otherwise of BMS (on which I can't comment, not having tried it), I can think of few less effective ways to promote BMS than posting in a thread concerning DCS telling people that they are enjoying themselves the wrong way, which is what Mtnbiker1998's post amounts to.

 

I don't like opera. So I don't listen to it. I don't hang around opera forums telling people they should be listening to ska instead.

 

 

[DD_Arthur]

5 hours ago, Robli said:

Legitimate opinion that DCS has all the same problems and limitations as in 2014, only looks better now? In what way can that kind of opinion be possibly "legitimate"?

 

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That kind of claim can not be "legitimate" in any form or way, no matter how much somebody hates DCS.

 

It's an opinion. That's it. Wrong or right in your view or anyone else's is fine but opinions are not facts. It's something he's entitled to hold no matter how unpopular. 

I've never used BMS either and I very much doubt I ever will but I do have a great deal of DCS experience. 

In my opinion Mister high altitude cyclist is correct;  DCS has come on leaps and bounds over the years in terms of visual and systems fidelity but it is essentially unchanged in many of it's fundamentals in the last ten years.

The single player experience is still limited in many ways not least because DCS has failed to join the dots in relation to relevant aircraft and meaningful maps.

Silly opinion? A 'hateful' opinion?

Not in my opinion.

[Robli]

2 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

It's an opinion. That's it.

 

Whether it really is an opinion or were there some other motives behind his statement is debatable, but what he said was SILLY and that is putting it mildly. 

 

2 hours ago, DD_Arthur said:

It's something he's entitled to hold no matter how unpopular. 

It has nothing to do with popularity and he is entitled to hold all kinds of silly opinions, it does not make his statement any less silly. 

 

If you also truly believe that nothing beyond graphical updates have come since 2014, then it does not matter if it is due to short memory or something else, your statement is just silly, too. You can look up the update logs from ED forums, if you want to have on opinion that is based on reality.

[DD_Arthur]

My opinion is based on experience. 

Contrary opinions? Yes, they can be tough things to deal with. Especially in the very important world of entertainment software.

Now, where shall we go today in DCS? Shall I revisit the battle of Nevada or will it be the simply enormous, historical battle of Tierra del Fuego?

That's right; the one where all those F14's shot down a bunch of Mirages....

 

[Robli]

14 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

My opinion is based on experience. ...

Shall I revisit the battle of Nevada or will it be the simply enormous, historical battle of Tierra del Fuego?

That's right; the one where all those F14's shot down a bunch of Mirages....

 

Yes, case of short and selective memory. Things that you could not do in 2014: flying in Nevada, flying an F14, shooting down Mirages.

[DD_Arthur]

So fundamentally the choice of unlikely opponents to shoot down has widened.

Okay…..

 

[Robli]

Fundamentally, saying that DCS has got nothing more than new coat of paint since 2014 is silly. 

[Lusekofte]

I think all sims are a source of frustration if you let it. I have flown so much DCS later years that I know exactly what to avoid. 
And I know what and how to do DCS without getting frustrated. 
If you buy all content and expect a complete Vietnam / Korea scenario or complete anything you will find it frustrating. For my sake patches contain fewer setbacks than before. I am happy with it.
I learned to use GB the same way, instead of just force against nature I do things doable