DCS

[DBFlyguy]

imminent

2 hours ago, CanadaOne said:

Oh well, seems the IL2 "mission editor" will remain.... the same. 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, it's a bummer.  This is only going to hurt them in the end. There are currently a whopping total of 7 payware campaigns for sale...how long has Great Battles been around again???... If the mission editor was a bit more user friendly like the DCS one, they'd probably have more users stepping up to make more campaigns which would lead to more opportunity to sale payware campaigns..ie more PROFIT.   There was the sale yesterday which I would've happily bought any campaign (or collectors aircraft for that matter....) if I didn't already own all of them and I have no desire whatsoever for Tank Crew and collector vehicles ?... They are basically at a point with me and I'm sure a lot of others that they can have sales every day for the rest of the year and it wouldn't make a difference since there is no new actual air combat related content we haven't already bought. But the decisions been made so, it is what it is.  I do appreciate Jason taking so many questions yesterday, got some solid answers on some things even if some were disappointing answers. 

 

*Yes, I know I haven't bought FC II yet, I wait until the first aircraft release is imminent before I buy.

Edited April 7, 2021 by DBFlyguy

[Lusekofte]

4 hours ago, DBFlyguy said:

imminent

 

Yeah, it's a bummer.  This is only going to hurt them in the end. There are currently a whopping total of 7 payware campaigns for sale...how long has Great Battles been around again???... If the mission editor was a bit more user friendly like the DCS one, they'd probably have more users stepping up to make more campaigns which would lead to more opportunity to sale payware campaigns..ie more PROFIT.   There was the sale yesterday which I would've happily bought any campaign (or collectors aircraft for that matter....) if I didn't already own all of them and I have no desire whatsoever for Tank Crew and collector vehicles ?... They are basically at a point with me and I'm sure a lot of others that they can have sales every day for the rest of the year and it wouldn't make a difference since there is no new actual air combat related content we haven't already bought. But the decisions been made so, it is what it is.  I do appreciate Jason taking so many questions yesterday, got some solid answers on some things even if some were disappointing answers. 

 

*Yes, I know I haven't bought FC II yet, I wait until the first aircraft release is imminent before I buy.

I do not mind spending the money on FC 2. But I think I will restrict any purchase both in DCS , MS and GB. Simply because if it do not make sense for my interest , I won't  buy. GB has moved in favor for fast spit's

and  BF 109's for too long. I rather watch whats next, before I buy anything. DCS I kept interest in choppers, jets not do much. WW2 not at all. So I buy Hind and Kiowa nothing more. MS well have not seen anything that really intreague me. So I stick with what I got. 

None of them has done anything wrong, it simply just not my cup of tea

[Archie]

4 minutes ago, LuseKofte said:

I do not mind spending the money on FC 2. But I think I will restrict any purchase both in DCS , MS and GB. Simply because if it do not make sense for my interest , I won't  buy. GB has moved in favor for fast spit's

and  BF 109's for too long. I rather watch whats next, before I buy anything. DCS I kept interest in choppers, jets not do much. WW2 not at all. So I buy Hind and Kiowa nothing more. MS well have not seen anything that really intreague me. So I stick with what I got. 

None of them has done anything wrong, it simply just not my cup of tea

Surprised you're not interested in the Mossie, I thought that would be a winner with you. 

[CanadaOne]

5 hours ago, DBFlyguy said:

 

Yeah, it's a bummer.  This is only going to hurt them in the end. There are currently a whopping total of 7 payware campaigns for sale...how long has Great Battles been around again???... If the mission editor was a bit more user friendly like the DCS one, they'd probably have more users stepping up to make more campaigns which would lead to more opportunity to sale payware campaigns..ie more PROFIT.  

 

 

You are entirely correct. Fantastic flightsim(!) but weak content and content creation.

 

Not only would I be willing to pay for a good in-game ME, but I would then buy BoN and the ground vehicles they are making. But as it stands, I cannot put even one plane where I want it without shutting the game down, opening a separate program to place the plane, shutting that program down, and then re-starting the flightsim. Yeah, that's gonna happen. 

 

On the plus side, the QMB might get some life shoved into it. That only took, what... seven-years? 

[Gambit21]

6 hours ago, DBFlyguy said:

imminent

 

Yeah, it's a bummer.  This is only going to hurt them in the end. There are currently a whopping total of 7 payware campaigns for sale...how long has Great Battles been around again???... If the mission editor was a bit more user friendly like the DCS one, they'd probably have more users stepping up to make more campaigns which would lead to more opportunity to sale payware campaigns..ie more PROFIT.   There was the sale yesterday which I would've happily bought any campaign (or collectors aircraft for that matter....) if I didn't already own all of them and I have no desire whatsoever for Tank Crew and collector vehicles ?... They are basically at a point with me and I'm sure a lot of others that they can have sales every day for the rest of the year and it wouldn't make a difference since there is no new actual air combat related content we haven't already bought. But the decisions been made so, it is what it is.  I do appreciate Jason taking so many questions yesterday, got some solid answers on some things even if some were disappointing answers. 

 

*Yes, I know I haven't bought FC II yet, I wait until the first aircraft release is imminent before I buy.

 

 

Having not messed with the DCS editor yet, here's what I understand thus far.

To do something very simple, i.e. get a plane on a map, place some enemies, go fly and shoot - VERY simple.

 

On the other hand, to produce something at the level of say Hell Hawks, meaning complex triggers, voice comms, maybe some randomized logic thrown in etc etc...then the DCS editor get's leaps and bounds more complex, needing Moose Framework/Lua knowledge. Again, I haven't messed with it at this juncture, but from talking to some other designers and doing a bit of poking around, that's my impression. I could be utterly incorrect.

 

BTW...look at your post/upvote average. 

 

 

On 4/5/2021 at 1:55 PM, CanadaOne said:

 

I will confirm that we Canadians are a horrible, horrible people. 

 

One of you hockey puck-slinging dick-heads rear-ended me, then turned around and screetched away the last time I was in Vancouver BC.

Awful, awful people. 

 

Edited April 7, 2021 by Gambit21

[dburne]

Got three missions under my belt in Operation Cage the Bear.

Certainly more complex than the previous campaigns I have done. I have a wingman to deal with and task , also in addition to clearing out some enemy air had to call in strikes once that was successfully done. So it is not just me out there any more. And of course to get mission complete have to return to carrier for a successful trap. Last mission had a Case III landing where I did not even see the deck till practically on top of it - got it first try though, it was a rush.

 

I am enjoying it though as I am learning more things now as I go. Also glad I have Voice Attack with Vaicom Pro as that is coming in real handy now.

[CanadaOne]

1 hour ago, Gambit21 said:

 

 

Having not messed with the DCS editor yet, here's what I understand thus far.

To do something very simple, i.e. get a plane on a map, place some enemies, go fly and shoot - VERY simple.

 

On the other hand, to produce something at the level of say Hell Hawks, meaning complex triggers, voice comms, maybe some randomized logic thrown in etc etc...then the DCS editor get's leaps and bounds more complex, needing Moose Framework/Lua knowledge. Again, I haven't messed with it at this juncture, but from talking to some other designers and doing a bit of poking around, that's my impression. I could be utterly incorrect.

 

BTW...look at your post/upvote average. 

 

 

 

One of you hockey puck-slinging dick-heads rear-ended me, then turned around and screetched away the last time I was in Vancouver BC.

Awful, awful people. 

 

 

1 hour ago, Gambit21 said:

 

 

Having not messed with the DCS editor yet, here's what I understand thus far.

To do something very simple, i.e. get a plane on a map, place some enemies, go fly and shoot - VERY simple.

 

I know, isn't it great! 

 

1 hour ago, Gambit21 said:

 

On the other hand, to produce something at the level of say Hell Hawks, meaning complex triggers, voice comms, maybe some randomized logic thrown in etc etc...then the DCS editor get's leaps and bounds more complex, needing Moose Framework/Lua knowledge. Again, I haven't messed with it at this juncture, but from talking to some other designers and doing a bit of poking around, that's my impression. I could be utterly incorrect.

 

BTW...look at your post/upvote average. 

 

My post upvote average? I'm going to assume it's either very good or very bad and one of the two makes you happy. 

 

I do not have your level of mission building expertise, but I have built literally thousands of missions over the years, most them simple (like myself). But each one is the flight I want to fly. That's the key. I just want to have fun. If I want to work, I'll go to work. At least I get paid for that.

 

1 hour ago, Gambit21 said:

 

 

One of you hockey puck-slinging dick-heads rear-ended me, then turned around and screetched away the last time I was in Vancouver BC.

Awful, awful people. 

 

Our greatness lies in our self-awareness: total dickheads. 

[Gambit21]

12 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

 

 

 

 

My post upvote average? I'm going to assume it's either very good or very bad and one of the two makes you happy. 

 

 

 

Was addressing Flyguy with that one.

Edited April 7, 2021 by Gambit21

[CanadaOne]

1 minute ago, Gambit21 said:

 

Was addressing DBF with that one.

 

Fine then, I'll be quiet. 

[DBFlyguy]

2 hours ago, CanadaOne said:

 

You are entirely correct. Fantastic flightsim(!) but weak content and content creation.

 

Not only would I be willing to pay for a good in-game ME, but I would then buy BoN and the ground vehicles they are making. But as it stands, I cannot put even one plane where I want it without shutting the game down, opening a separate program to place the plane, shutting that program down, and then re-starting the flightsim. Yeah, that's gonna happen. 

 

On the plus side, the QMB might get some life shoved into it. That only took, what... seven-years? 

I hadn't even noticed you hadn't pre-ordered BoN ? The Spit XIV, Typhoon IB and Mossie didn't get those historical RCAF juices flowing? I've definitely have my qualms with how things are currently going with Great Battles too but I couldn't pass up a Normandy map on top of the P-47D-22, P-51B, Typhoon IB and Mossie.  But I see you did get Tank Crew so we even each other out I guess LOL.

2 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

 

 

Having not messed with the DCS editor yet, here's what I understand thus far.

To do something very simple, i.e. get a plane on a map, place some enemies, go fly and shoot - VERY simple.

 

On the other hand, to produce something at the level of say Hell Hawks, meaning complex triggers, voice comms, maybe some randomized logic thrown in etc etc...then the DCS editor get's leaps and bounds more complex, needing Moose Framework/Lua knowledge. Again, I haven't messed with it at this juncture, but from talking to some other designers and doing a bit of poking around, that's my impression. I could be utterly incorrect.

 

BTW...look at your post/upvote average. 

 

 

 

 

 

Yeah, I've played around with both mission editors and unfortunately the Great Battles one is just so dense.  You definitely earned more than a few free beers making Hell Hawks with it! I hope you eventually decide to do another Bodenplatte or maybe even a Normandy campaign somewhere down the road, I know its got to be a tedious process though. 

 

The DCS editor can definitely be tricky too but it just so much more intuitive all around.  Maybe someone will eventually make some online/Youtube tutorials on mission making in Great Battles, it definitely could use it.  The Great Battles mission editor honestly reminds me of the ARMA mission editor which really dense too but luckily there are quite a few tutorials available now for it now.

 

I hadn't noticed my post/upvote average but I guess I'm doing ok on these forums ? The crowd here in general is pretty easy going fun to converse with except for a few trolls which I just put on "mute" when I run across them anyway LOL

[CanadaOne]

24 minutes ago, DBFlyguy said:

I hadn't even noticed you hadn't pre-ordered BoN ? The Spit XIV, Typhoon IB and Mossie didn't get those historical RCAF juices flowing? I've definitely have my qualms with how things are currently going with Great Battles too but I couldn't pass up a Normandy map on top of the P-47D-22, P-51B, Typhoon IB and Mossie.  But I see you did get Tank Crew so we even each other out I guess LOL.

 

I've kind of given up buying stuff. The ME is useless to me and the QMB is old cold coffee. This sim needs some serious! work as far as single player content creation goes. And the idea that we should resort to 3rd party out-of-game programs to build missions - as was recently suggested - is little more than the sim accepting defeat and mediocrity. Doesn't really inspire me to part with my money.

 

On the other hand, I gladly pre-order stuff at DCS because they make it easy and fun for me to build my flights the way I want to fly them. As soon as IL2 figures out that little bit of flightsim logic, they can have more of my money too.

[dburne]

12 hours ago, CanadaOne said:

 

I've kind of given up buying stuff. The ME is useless to me and the QMB is old cold coffee. This sim needs some serious! work as far as single player content creation goes. And the idea that we should resort to 3rd party out-of-game programs to build missions - as was recently suggested - is little more than the sim accepting defeat and mediocrity. Doesn't really inspire me to part with my money.

 

On the other hand, I gladly pre-order stuff at DCS because they make it easy and fun for me to build my flights the way I want to fly them. As soon as IL2 figures out that little bit of flightsim logic, they can have more of my money too.

 

Yeah DCS also has some really good single player campaigns, granted some are payware but they are done so well. I have been doing some with the Hornet and having a blast with it.

 

I know we have talked about it in the past, but to me IL-2 really shines in single player action, what with Career Mode, PWCG, and some scripted Campaigns.

Lot of single player goodness there.

[CanadaOne]

4 minutes ago, dburne said:

 

Yeah DCS also has some really good single player campaigns, granted some are payware but they are done so well. I have been doing some with the Hornet and having a blast with it.

 

I know we have talked about it in the past, but to me IL-2 really shines in single player action, what with Career Mode, PWCG, and some scripted Campaigns.

Lot of single player goodness there.

 

Never been a campaign flyer. I find that many of the missions tend to be tedious, and often as not it's just not the flight I want. But I can certainly appreciate that others like the setup, the sense of continuity, and the story presented. And I would not say that IL2 lacks single player content, but that it lacks single player content creation. There is a lot to do, but the person flying has few options to make his own flight, as in;  "I want a plane there and some AAA there." At least options that aren't tedious and/or convoluted.

 

Building missions, easy or complex, is a huge part of the combat flightsim experience. For some reason, it's just an afterthought here and will likely remain so. We might see a better QMB, god willing, but that alone took seven-years(?). For my part, I find it very odd that the sim has progressed to much and yet in one vital area remains stunningly behind the times.

[Lusekofte]

21 hours ago, Archie said:

Surprised you're not interested in the Mossie, I thought that would be a winner with you. 

Yes it is a winner. But I have too many planes I do not use. Several month I sat in a winner named P47  

20 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

to produce something at the level of say Hell Hawks, meaning complex triggers, voice comms, maybe some randomized logic thrown in etc etc...then the DCS

I told you, it is the level of complexity that decide difficulty.

I use the editor to change aircraft on existing missions. That is very easy. Missions in campaigns, many of them extremely well made. All you do "click" and you can test it with another  ac

 

I TOLD YOU ! In your level of missionbuilding. DCS will be a handful

4 hours ago, dburne said:

 

Yeah DCS also has some really good single player campaigns, granted some are payware but they are done so well. I have been doing some with the Hornet and having a blast with it.

 

I know we have talked about it in the past, but to me IL-2 really shines in single player action, what with Career Mode, PWCG, and some scripted Campaigns.

Lot of single player goodness there.

Oilfield campaign with good voiceactors is just phenomenal 

[unlikely_spider]

52 minutes ago, LuseKofte said:

Oilfield campaign with good voiceactors is just phenomenal 

Is it? I bought it during a sale but haven't flown it. I have though a few times to start it.

 

I occasionally get into a helicopter mood but anytime I do, when stepping back into a plane I'm immediately reminded how much more fun fixed wing is. Compared to helicopters where my predominant thought during the entire flight is "DON'T DIE, DON'T DIE..."

(Which is very similar to my brain activity when I'm skiing)

 

Based on it's historical importance and the good model in DCS, I really want to get into the Mi-8, but it seems like the worst possible mixture of "DON'T DIE" combined with "school bus".

 

And I know some people like sling loading, but that seems as fun to me as trying to walk a few blocks with a milk jug on my head without spilling.

[CanadaOne]

3 hours ago, LuseKofte said:

 

 

 

I use the editor to change aircraft on existing missions. That is very easy.

 

That's one of the key selling points for me with the DCS. How does a mission run with a P-51? Try it a few times and then load up a P-47. Then add a bit more AAA and go back to the P-51. It's the quick and easy changes, everything the way you want it, fast and easy. If that feature was unavailable, I would only spend a fraction of the money there that I now do. 

 

And with 2.7 and the new Clouds! coming hopefully next week, it's just going to be better. 

[nirvi]

 

[Trooper117]

Really nice video... I have all the WWII stuff except the P-47.

[DBFlyguy]

Looks like 2.7 is going to be amazing with all the content they've packed into it!

[kestrel79]

Wow those props look nice.

[CanadaOne]

7 hours ago, Trooper117 said:

Really nice video... I have all the WWII stuff except the P-47.

 

I enjoy the P-51 more than the P-47, but the P-47 cockpit is a wonder to behold. If the Mosquito cockpit is up to the P-47's standards, it's going to be friggin' great!

[Archie]

23 hours ago, CanadaOne said:

 

I enjoy the P-51 more than the P-47, but the P-47 cockpit is a wonder to behold. If the Mosquito cockpit is up to the P-47's standards, it's going to be friggin' great!

It's British so there should be bits of string and things falling off everywhere.

[CanadaOne]

1 hour ago, Archie said:

It's British so there should be bits of string and things falling off everywhere.

 

As it should be. 

[CanadaOne]

DCS has a header up saying 2.7 is coming soon.

 

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/news/2021-04-09/

 

Looks like the delays might be over and we get it this week. 

[dburne]

9 hours ago, CanadaOne said:

DCS has a header up saying 2.7 is coming soon.

 

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/news/2021-04-09/

 

Looks like the delays might be over and we get it this week. 

 

Yep looks like I also will have some new stuff to learn for the Hornet as well.

[CanadaOne]

31 minutes ago, dburne said:

 

Yep looks like I also will have some new stuff to learn for the Hornet as well.

 

How many thousands of pages is the manual up to?

[CanadaOne]

Oh, the Hind is up on Steam with a discount. $62.99 instead of $89.99.

 

Hmmmmm... Decisions, decisions. Still on the fence, but it's likely to be a really well put together model.

[Hoots]

16 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

Oh, the Hind is up on Steam with a discount. $62.99 instead of $89.99.

 

Hmmmmm... Decisions, decisions. Still on the fence, but it's likely to be a really well put together model.

I figured it would have to be at least as good as the Huey so bought it.

[DD_fruitbat]

[dburne]

7 hours ago, CanadaOne said:

 

How many thousands of pages is the manual up to?

 

Lol just 389 currently.

[CanadaOne]

2 hours ago, dburne said:

 

Lol just 389 currently.

 

Really? I thought it was 500+ months ago.

 

Hats off to you if you have read it through. 

[dburne]

2 hours ago, CanadaOne said:

 

Really? I thought it was 500+ months ago.

 

Hats off to you if you have read it through. 

 

Nah I use Chuck's Guides for everything DCS.

His Hornet guide is just a measly 626 pages...

 

[DD_Arthur]

On 4/10/2021 at 10:41 PM, Archie said:

It's British so there should be bits of string and things falling off everywhere.

 

You can't have string without cardboard.

 

[CanadaOne]

Genius! 

[DD_fruitbat]

2 more days until happy cloudmis....

[CanadaOne]

7 hours ago, DD_fruitbat said:

2 more days until happy cloudmis....

 

Clouds! Clouds! Clouds! 

 

The only question is what to fly first after the update. More than likely it will be some Harrier action.

[dburne]

1 hour ago, CanadaOne said:

 

Clouds! Clouds! Clouds! 

 

The only question is what to fly first after the update. More than likely it will be some Harrier action.

 

For me I am sure it will be with the Cage the Bear Campaign for the Hornet with Supercarrier I am in the middle of.

This one is more involved and kicking my butt into shape.

[CanadaOne]

9 minutes ago, dburne said:

 

For me I am sure it will be with the Cage the Bear Campaign for the Hornet with Supercarrier I am in the middle of.

This one is more involved and kicking my butt into shape.

 

Right back to work? No short vacation in the Clouds! first?

 

I'm definitely just going to be flomping around like a fart in my Harrier for a while, and the Ka-50, playing with presets and all the lighting options on the maps. I'll bet the hilly terrain on the Syria map will look stunning if you get the clouds and lighting just right.

[dburne]

12 hours ago, CanadaOne said:

 

Right back to work? No short vacation in the Clouds! first?

 

I'm definitely just going to be flomping around like a fart in my Harrier for a while, and the Ka-50, playing with presets and all the lighting options on the maps. I'll bet the hilly terrain on the Syria map will look stunning if you get the clouds and lighting just right.

 

Nope I will be continuing my campaign for sure, having too much fun!

I have been stuck on an Intercept mission. I keep getting blown out of the sky. I came so close yesterday, in fact we got the message of success and to return to carrier. However I spotted a couple of bogies ahead and had one Sidewinder and guns left. So I went after them.

Yep, got blown out of the sky again - stupid move on my part. Hopefully today I can get it.

 

Edited April 13, 2021 by dburne

[dburne]

Well I finally completed successfully the Intercept mission - that was a tough one.

And then to find myself upon returning to the carrier having to do a difficult landing in a blinding snowstorm.

I somehow managed to trap successfully on first attempt. Had to put a lot of faith in the ILCS system let me tell ya.

Whew!