DCS

[Lusekofte]

28 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

 

Absolutely.

 

 

That said. I flown your campaigns twice and havoc three times. So I would in fact be more active if there where s couple more Gambits working on campaigns. I do like scripted campaigns in GB. But not yet found a career keeping myself interested

[CanadaOne]

1 hour ago, 216th_LuseKofte said:

I do not like the way this always  come to, Canada and me have always defended and supported GB. My problem with things missing in GB is basically my own motivation to use it.

 

I love BoX. Evidenced by all the stuff I've bought. Aside from the stunning lack of easy creative control, it's a fantastic sim. C'mon, it has an IL2. 

 

1 hour ago, 216th_LuseKofte said:

It is simply not my kind of thing, It is only my loss

Worst paradox is the fact I like this community, I like many of the planes. I hate ED forum. And now when they changed their forum layout, I cannot even remember my nick

Cant we justacknowledge the fact that there is something to like in all sims

 

I insist on having all the good sims: Il2, DCS, and FS2020. 

 

 

[dbzero]

59 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

 

Absolutely.

 

 

There is a lot to like in DCS, but there is also something called trust and DCS broke that bond and many believe they need to earn that back. 
 

Nobody expects perfection and it’s understandable when things have bugs, but there is a line that should never be crossed and when it becomes something of a pattern there is going to be blowback. 

 

Its just been my experience that waiting before jumping in has saved me quite a bit of money and frustration- I own over half of whats available. 
 

I feel bad for people who paid $79 on release for something that was incomplete and in what could be called a pre-beta state. I don’t know they think when later on you could have bought the same product for far less on sale in a better state.

 

From the videos I’ve seen on the new Pacific map, it’s geared towards boosting sales of the F-18 and Supercarrier module. Guam will be modeled in modern detailed sense and from the looks of it could make for a good US vs China map. You also have the Mud Hen F-15E Strike Eagle comming up.

 

The WW2 stuff from what little I’ve gathered is 3rd party stuff and the track record on third party content is a mixed bag...

 

There is definitely a lot to be excited about, but there is also much to be wary about, given the past track record.

 

 

[CanadaOne]

2 hours ago, dbzero said:

There is a lot to like in DCS, but there is also something called trust and DCS broke that bond and many believe they need to earn that back. 
 

Nobody expects perfection and it’s understandable when things have bugs, but there is a line that should never be crossed and when it becomes something of a pattern there is going to be blowback. 

 

Its just been my experience that waiting before jumping in has saved me quite a bit of money and frustration- I own over half of whats available. 
 

I feel bad for people who paid $79 on release for something that was incomplete and in what could be called a pre-beta state. I don’t know they think when later on you could have bought the same product for far less on sale in a better state.

 

From the videos I’ve seen on the new Pacific map, it’s geared towards boosting sales of the F-18 and Supercarrier module. Guam will be modeled in modern detailed sense and from the looks of it could make for a good US vs China map. You also have the Mud Hen F-15E Strike Eagle comming up.

 

The WW2 stuff from what little I’ve gathered is 3rd party stuff and the track record on third party content is a mixed bag...

 

There is definitely a lot to be excited about, but there is also much to be wary about, given the past track record.

 

I think both DCS and IL2 have glaring errors, if we can call them that, but both also have excellent strong points that make them worthwhile; IL2 has much better WWII A2A action than DCS, but DCS has more variety and high-tech goodies. 

 

I own about a dozen DCS modules, many have seen quality upgrades and fixes since I bought them. DCS may be a bit eager to release beta planes at times, but they are being fixed and honestly, where else are flightsimheads going to go for the kind of action DCS offers? Same thing with IL2, there is really nothing comparable to it, so we accept it's failings and have what fun with it we can.

[Bremspropeller]

On 10/23/2020 at 10:26 PM, dbzero said:

I feel bad for people who paid $79 on release for something that was incomplete and in what could be called a pre-beta state. I don’t know they think when later on you could have bought the same product for far less on sale in a better state.

 

I have put myself on a moratorium of buying DCS-stuff, even though there's stuff I'd like to buy.

 

They just completely have fudged up their priorities - not only banning people left and right for pointing stuff out that is obviously wrong. They're also effing around with the way their modules work, so even though you're owning a partially complete module, you can't really use it's limited functions because you'll at some point down the line have to un-learn stuff you have learned, as new features get implemented, that change the way things (e.g. Tpods, Mavericks, etc) work.

[Lusekofte]

On 10/23/2020 at 10:26 PM, dbzero said:

feel bad for people who paid $79 on release for something that was incomplete and in what could be called a pre-beta state. I don’t know they think when later on you could have bought the same product for far less on sale in a better state

I have no words for the waste of empathy you show here. 
I bought every tiny bit produced for DCS. 
And I fly two modules every second month. 
You are pretty ignorant paying for a pre bought product in DCS and expecting a finished product. 
Worst are the drama made by people when they discover it is not complete for the hundreds time. How stupid is it possible to be. 
That is the stupid people. Not those buying it regardless and use them for what it is. 
So you sound a bit patronizing. All know what a pre bought module is. If you do not. You should not have responsibilities for own economy. You are not capable

[CanadaOne]

30 minutes ago, Bremspropeller said:

 

I have put myself on a moratorium of buying DCS-stuff, even though there's stuff I'd like to buy.

 

They just completely have fudged up their priorities - not only banning people left and right for pointing stuff out that is obviously wrong. They're also effing around with the way their modules work, so even though you're owning a partially complete module, you can't really use it's limited functions because you'll at some point down the line have to un-learn stuff you have learned, as new features get implemented, that change the way things (e.g. Tpods, Mavericks, etc) work.

 

I can't say I have had the same experience on their forums. I have been very critical of some aspects of DCS, as in "let me explain to you in depth why the devs and mods are completely inept" - and never had so much as a warning, much less a deleted post or a ban. 

 

I don't doubt some modules are better maintained than others, but I am able to enjoy everything I've bought. Some of it I don't use much anymore, just as there are planes in BoX I never fly, but I enjoy the rest enough to make the whole thing worthwhile. And given the complexity of the systems in some DCS planes, I can't imagine there won't be new things to learn when there are fixes and upgrades. I still have a riot with my Harrier which has seen many fixes and some upgrades.

 

From what I heard the DCS Mosquito will be out before the end of the year. That will be another day-one DCS purchase for me. And that's part of the point, as much as there are some modules in DCS I would never buy, they also come out with modules that I have/will drop my cash on as fast as possible. And that applies to many other people as well, so they much be doing something right. In the next six-months we're supposed to see not only the Mosquito, but the Mi-24. Those are both modules that flightsimheads are more than happy to throw their money at. They'll get my cash for both. 

 

 

 

 

[Bremspropeller]

There are lots of modules I'd love to buy that will be out in the near future or have just been released:

 

- F-15E (though RAZBAM has lost a lot of people's trust)

- OH-58D (would be my first choppa and it's mission looks interesting)

- A-10C II (I've finally come around to find this plane interesting - and it's already fleshed out as it's basicly an upgrade to a 10 year old module)

- Syria, though not really a dead-ringer for my personal interest (Guam in a way rocks my boat a lot more), it seems marvellous for choppa-ops and everybody loves to put warheads on some ISIS foreheads

- Mi-24 (come on, it's a Hind!)

 

Then there's modules that are a lot more "meh". Not neccessarily because of the modules themselves, but because there isn't much to do with them.

That includes all the ww2 aircraft and maps for me.

[CanadaOne]

I can understand your lack of love for the WWII planes, but that Channel map is just too good to pass on. I fly my Harrier on it all the time. Something about VSTOL-ing onto those grass airfields and going treetop across the English hills just feels right.

 

I would like to have the A-10C II, but odds are I wouldn't use a lot of the systems, just too complicated for me. I just like the fancy cockpit and the extra eye-candy.

[DD_fruitbat]

The A 10C II is awesome. Despite the original A 10C being the first module i ever bought years and years ago, I've already got way more hours in this new module.

 

The Scorpion helmet is game changing for ground attack, and having learnt the Viper and Hornet already,  was pretty easy to transition that knowledge to the Hog.

 

The loadouts are amazing on this thing, it really is death from above.

[Lusekofte]

I recommend people that want a complete module to buy A 10 C or another old module. 
For WW2 I would not recommend any module if you expect same gameplay as GB. Yes some of the modules are gorgeous but spotting is just not good. Current effect is rubbish but are to be replaced. 
I think of WW2 modules as armed fs 2020 modules. I make myself some targets flying ones and ground then shoot the hell out of it. Do some loops and land , go up to my missus begging for a laid , most of the times it end with another mission. 
or a chopper campaign mission. DCS is a huge playground for me where I can fly 10 minutes or two hours. Ironicly the same time span we use when missus is in mood

Edited October 25, 2020 by 216th_LuseKofte

[Bremspropeller]

1 hour ago, DD_fruitbat said:

The A 10C II is awesome. Despite the original A 10C being the first module i ever bought years and years ago, I've already got way more hours in this new module.

 

The Scorpion helmet is game changing for ground attack, and having learnt the Viper and Hornet already,  was pretty easy to transition that knowledge to the Hog.

 

The loadouts are amazing on this thing, it really is death from above.

 

You've done it - you just set me back 100 quid.

[Lusekofte]

22 minutes ago, Bremspropeller said:

 

You've done it - you just set me back 100 quid.

Bought it but not flown it. I will dedicate a long time for it. Time I do not have. 
This module I am sure none of us will regret. I will soon just fly it over new Syria map

[Beazil]

16 minutes ago, 216th_LuseKofte said:

Bought it but not flown it. I will dedicate a long time for it. Time I do not have. 
This module I am sure none of us will regret. I will soon just fly it over new Syria map

If you already own the original the upgrade price is negligible.  I'm in the same boat as you.  And of course I picked it up.

Edited October 25, 2020 by JG51_Beazil

[DD_fruitbat]

3 hours ago, Bremspropeller said:

 

You've done it - you just set me back 100 quid.

 

lol. I was lucky, as I already owned the original, it was only 9.99 for me, and i had enough DCS miles to cover that for free!

 

I love the ability to look at a target, and with one button press slave the Tpod to it and deploy weapons on it. And the laser guided rockets are way way to much fun.

 

 

Edited October 25, 2020 by DD_fruitbat

[DD_fruitbat]

Oh, this vid is great by the way,

 

 

Love the comment from C W Lemoine to Wags, 'you're probably actually in jail'........ 

[CanadaOne]

3 hours ago, DD_fruitbat said:

 

lol. I was lucky, as I already owned the original, it was only 9.99 for me, and i had enough DCS miles to cover that for free!

 

I love the ability to look at a target, and with one button press slave the Tpod to it and deploy weapons on it. And the laser guided rockets are way way to much fun.

 

 

 

Every video I watch makes me want to buy it because it's a cool azz A-10 and every video I watch reminds me that I will never, ever master systems that complex, so I shouldn't buy it.

 

Bummer. 

[Beazil]

I got as far as nav training.  Then I was really porked.

[Lusekofte]

6 hours ago, CanadaOne said:

and every video I watch reminds me that I will never, ever master systems that complex, so I shouldn't buy it.

«Pshhhh»

Where did all that common sense come from?

It has not stopped us before, you better shape up!

Before you know it , you trade in your gaming rig for a lawn mower “because you really did not need it”.

You must stay on the path, never surrender. 
Woohoo, dangeeous thinking there, buddy

[CanadaOne]

6 hours ago, 216th_LuseKofte said:

«Pshhhh»

Where did all that common sense come from?

It has not stopped us before, you better shape up!

Before you know it , you trade in your gaming rig for a lawn mower “because you really did not need it”.

You must stay on the path, never surrender. 
Woohoo, dangeeous thinking there, buddy

 

Troublemaker! 

 

It's the $112 price tag that keeps me from buying it. If it was half that, I would buy it. I'm still thinking about it, but I fired up the Su-25A yesterday, The Pickup Truck of Death, and it satisfied my cravings for a big fat "Kaboom!" airplane. Ya gotta love firing rockets the size of telephone poles. And I do enjoy the A-10A a lot. It has a solid "Brrrrrrrrtttt" factor.

 

And it's the "Brrrrrrrrrttt" that matters. 

 

[DD_Crash]

Havnt you got airmiles or whatever they are called. Like Fruitbat, my upgrade was "free"

[DD_Arthur]

11 minutes ago, DD_Crash said:

 

 

Have you got your fingering equipment working yet, Crash?

[CanadaOne]

1 minute ago, DD_Arthur said:

 

Have you got your fingering equipment working yet, Crash?

 

Exsqueeze me? 

[DD_Arthur]

https://forums.eagle.ru/forum/english/dcs-world-topics/input-and-output/219878-new-vr-pointing-device?t=218861

[Hoots]

16 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

https://forums.eagle.ru/forum/english/dcs-world-topics/input-and-output/219878-new-vr-pointing-device?t=218861

Intriguing, are you getting it?

[DD_Crash]

Yes Arthur but I need to recalibrate when I have some time

Still trying to get the hang of T-34 gunnery.

Edited October 26, 2020 by DD_Crash

[Bremspropeller]

Looks like fun - except for me.

I'm so clumsy that if we jammed, I'd actually drop the bass...

 

 

BTW: Had the game freeze on me abeam Beirut and abeam Haifa each - looks like the map needs a lot of improvement...

[Lusekofte]

9 hours ago, CanadaOne said:

Troublemaker! 

Yes

 

9 hours ago, CanadaOne said:

, but I fired up the Su-25A yesterday, 

This is the fixed wing I fly most. 
 

9 hours ago, CanadaOne said:

the $112 price tag

Pfff. Cut down a couple more tree’s 

[CanadaOne]

15 minutes ago, 216th_LuseKofte said:

This is the fixed wing I fly most. 
 

 

The thing with the Su-25A is it's fast to get into action. A couple of quick clicks and you're ready to fire a ton of stuff. With the A-10C it looks on the videos like you have to write out a paragraph of DOS code to do just about anything. 

 

"Configure sensor of interest left, china hat forward, slave to azimuth and align with left DMS and press down."

 

Congratulations! You turned on the windshield wiper!  

 

How can you do all that while tearing around at treetop height and taking fire?

 

 

15 minutes ago, 216th_LuseKofte said:

Pfff. Cut down a couple more tree’s 

 

I'm going to name the ozone hole after you. 

[Bremspropeller]

32 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

Congratulations! You turned on the windshield wiper! 

 

That's nothing! I released the ladder in flight and that last step turned out to be a rather giant leap...

Edited October 26, 2020 by Bremspropeller

[Bremspropeller]

Looks like the Hornet is easier on my rig abovy Syria than the Viper.

Might be random.

 

I don't even dare pulling the Tomcat out of the hangar-deck, unless they're optimising the map.

 

The A-10C's SOI and SPI stuff is an enigma to me. DMS and TMS seem to do entirely unrelated stuff by default.

Is that missplaced auto-assigned controls, or does it actually work that way and I'll need to read through a bunch of X-Files to figure things out?

[DD_fruitbat]

24 minutes ago, Bremspropeller said:

Looks like the Hornet is easier on my rig abovy Syria than the Viper.

Might be random.

 

I don't even dare pulling the Tomcat out of the hangar-deck, unless they're optimising the map.

 

The A-10C's SOI and SPI stuff is an enigma to me. DMS and TMS seem to do entirely unrelated stuff by default.

Is that missplaced auto-assigned controls, or does it actually work that way and I'll need to read through a bunch of X-Files to figure things out?

 

These might help, certainly helped me!

 

 

Edited October 27, 2020 by DD_fruitbat

[Gambit21]

On 10/26/2020 at 2:38 PM, CanadaOne said:

 

The thing with the Su-25A is it's fast to get into action. A couple of quick clicks and you're ready to fire a ton of stuff. With the A-10C it looks on the videos like you have to write out a paragraph of DOS code to do just about anything. 

 

 

 

Yeah...not into that.

I like the idea of the MiG 15.

 

I love the idea of the A-10....BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRP!!!

But I'd need a simplified version - Gun Mode, Missile Mode, Bomb mode hot keys while my virtual pilot did all of the fancy MFD stuff for me.

Ok maybe a hot key to switch MFD modes, and maybe arm my gun...but dammit I have to draw the line there.

 

I mean I'd love to be able to operate all that stuff, but there's this little thing called "real life". 

 

Honestly, if you have time for all of that other stuff...you're sort of like a little bit cooler (slightly)  Dungeons and Dragon's geek IMHO and your probably don't have a girlfriend...just sayin.

[CanadaOne]

21 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

 

Yeah...not into that.

I like the idea of the MiG 15.

 

Now you understand my issues with the BoX mission editor. 

 

'Cause the A-10C can do 1001 tricks and it's super powerful, but the Mig-15 is kind of simplistic. I did try the Mig-15 when DCS had the free trial but it didn't float my boat. I think I found the cockpit visibility to be kind of poor. I want to see all that lovely eye candy on the maps.

 

 

21 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

 

I love the idea of the A-10....BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRP!!!

But I'd need a simplified version - Gun Mode, Missile Mode, Bomb mode hot keys while my virtual pilot did all of the fancy MFD stuff for me.

Ok maybe a hot key to switch MFD modes, and maybe arm my gun...but dammit I have to draw the line there.

 

I mean I'd love to be able to operate all that stuff, but there's this little thing called "real life". 

 

Honestly, if you have time for all of that other stuff...you're sort of like a little bit cooler (slightly)  Dungeons and Dragon's geek IMHO and your probably don't have a girlfriend...just sayin.

 

The A-10A is perfect then. I really like it. Easy to manage, beaucoup "Kaboom!" and Brrrrrrrrrrrrt! to boot.

[Gambit21]

23 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

 

Now you understand my issues with the BoX mission editor. 

 

Hmmm...that was sort of a burn Kelso...but I accept said burn.

 

 

23 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

 

'Cause the A-10C can do 1001 tricks and it's super powerful, but the Mig-15 is kind of simplistic. I did try the Mig-15 when DCS had the free trial but it didn't float my boat. I think I found the cockpit visibility to be kind of poor. I want to see all that lovely eye candy on the maps.

 

 

 

The A-10A is perfect then. I really like it. Easy to manage, beaucoup "Kaboom!" and Brrrrrrrrrrrrt! to boot.

 

Might have to look into that one someday.

 

[Lusekofte]

I will personally not endeavor on a discussion on what is easies to make a campaign in. Because the features in both is pretty  obvious powerful and complex. 
For making simple missions however dcs is head shoulder and ass in forward position. 
But I wish for a Gambit in DCS too. The quality of your work in GB speak for itself. 
I believe you could sell a great deal of campaigns there too

Edited October 28, 2020 by 216th_LuseKofte

[CanadaOne]

9 hours ago, Gambit21 said:

 

Hmmm...that was sort of a burn Kelso...but I accept said burn.

 

A burn offered with gentility and kindness. 

 

Quote

 

 

 

Might have to look into that one someday.

 

 

The A-10A is great. On sale for about $10 right now, and I think getting to the Brrrrrrrrt! is a two-click affair. First click for A2G on the HUD and second click for the GAU-8 and you're ready to go. Another click cycles the weapons on the pylons. Locking on a Maverick is only another click or two at most. It couldn't be simpler, and the A-10A carries a chit ton o' fun under the wings. 

 

And speaking of good intentions, look at all that love on them pylons. 

 

Edited October 28, 2020 by CanadaOne

[kestrel79]

Good call Canada,

 

If I fire up DCS quick usually it's in one of the Flaming Cliffs planes just because they are way simpler and easier to operate with limited time to learn all the systems.

[CanadaOne]

2 hours ago, kestrel79 said:

Good call Canada,

 

If I fire up DCS quick usually it's in one of the Flaming Cliffs planes just because they are way simpler and easier to operate with limited time to learn all the systems.

 

True dat.

 

The exception for me is the Harrier. I spend more time managing the systems in that plane than all the others. But for some quick "beeg badaboom!" it's going to be the A-10A or the SU-25A. 

[Bremspropeller]

For the A-10 Gurus - some great info in there!