DCS

[DBFlyguy]

Not really surprised with Eagle Dynamics screwing the pooch yet again.... Just makes me appreciate 1C even more.  We have some really awesome and competent devs working on IL-2, here's hoping they continue to grow and stay profitable for the foreseeable future!  

 

[BOO]

3 hours ago, DBFlyguy said:

Not really surprised with Eagle Dynamics screwing the pooch yet again.... Just makes me appreciate 1C even more.  We have some really awesome and competent devs working on IL-2, here's hoping they continue to grow and stay profitable for the foreseeable future!  

 

Yeah the carrier with fully animated crew positions in IL2 is fantastic....oh wait...

[DD_fruitbat]

6 hours ago, CanadaOne said:

 

Annoyed am I. Which means I should drink. But if it was released and I was not annoyed, I would have a drink to celebrate. So as far as drinking goes, I think we're on solid ground.

 

But seriously, f*** multiplayer. Release the thing so people can have it and patch the MP when the bug is squashed. Aren't MP flyers clearly in the minority in DCS just as they are here? If everyone can use the module in the meantime, and only a few people have to wait to use it in a particular way, why make everyone wait after there have already been delays?

 

Bad decision methinks.

 

Kate has said in the update thread that a plan B update release for the super carrier, is single player only, which they will review in a couple of weeks, depending on how they get on with the multiplayer issues....

 

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04-15-2020, 05:27 PM	#270
Kate Perederko ED Team   Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 66	Quote: Originally Posted by Sonoda Umi  As many replies said, there are many Solo-play-focus players. If the main issues of Supercarrier being related to multiplayer is ture, release a single player version at first(within this week) should be a reasonable option. Check this:https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php...postcount=1495 We consider the single-player release as a plan B.

 

 

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Kate Perederko ED Team   Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 66

Quote: Originally Posted by lvialpando  Can you please explore your Plan B for a SP release of the SC? If we will fail to progress with MP for next two weeks, we'll consider release of SP.

 

As an aside, this little snip bit caught my attention,

 

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04-15-2020, 05:26 PM	#269
Kate Perederko ED Team   Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 67	Quote: Originally Posted by borba_eagle  That's nice! As real pilot, one big thing I always pray for improvement is the circumference os the world in the maps instead of the flat ground. Any plans for change this in a future? Thanks for the updates and take attention with the customers! Yes, we have it in plans.

 

Looking forward to hopefully having that one day?

[CanadaOne]

1 minute ago, DD_fruitbat said:

 

Kate has said in the update thread that a plan B update release for the super carrier, is single player only, which they will review in a couple of weeks, depending on how they get on with the multiplayer issues....

 

 

 

 

As an aside, this little snip bit caught my attention,

 

 

Looking forward to hopefully having that one day?

 

Too funny, I was just writing about that when your post popped up.

 

Honestly, I think it's just plain not too good. They pull a last-second delay and then say if things are still FUBAR in two-weeks, maybe we'll give you the SP version. You know, the one we could release, oh......... today.

 

Delays are one thing, but this is atrocious PR.

[DD_fruitbat]

4 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

 

Too funny, I was just writing about that when your post popped up.

 

Honestly, I think it's just plain not too good. They pull a last-second delay and then say if things are still FUBAR in two-weeks, maybe we'll give you the SP version. You know, the one we could release, oh......... today.

 

Delays are one thing, but this is atrocious PR.

 

The decision probably has something to do with this bit of info being taken into consideration...

 

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04-15-2020, 04:48 PM	#237
Kate Perederko ED Team   Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 67	Quote: Originally Posted by MAXsenna  Thank you for sharing those numbers. Would you care to share numbers for MP vs SP for both OB and stable? Cheers Sent from my ANE-LX1 using Tapatalk 2/3 - offline 1/3 - online for last moth.

 

I'm fairly patient, flight sims kinda demand it in my experience, lol. I still remember having the release date of il2 forgotten battles written on my desk, counting down the months of it release way back when?

Edited April 15, 2020 by DD_fruitbat

[CanadaOne]

1 minute ago, DD_fruitbat said:

 

The decision probably has some bearing on this...

 

 

I'm fairly patient, flight sims kinda demand it in my experience, lol. I still remember having the release date of il2 forgotten battles written on my desk, counting down the months of it release way back when?

 

Gotta say, if 2/3 of my customers prepaid for work, and I could perform it, I wouldn't wait until I could do the work for the other 1/3 before I started. I'd be out of business by the end of the day.

 

Again, delays are one thing and we're all used to them, but this is just piss poor communications and management on their part.

[DD_fruitbat]

20 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

 

Gotta say, if 2/3 of my customers prepaid for work, and I could perform it, I wouldn't wait until I could do the work for the other 1/3 before I started. I'd be out of business by the end of the day.

 

Again, delays are one thing and we're all used to them, but this is just piss poor communications and management on their part.

 

I'm not a programmer, but i'm guessing its not just as simple as shipping it out as is (did you notice the pun?), i would presume that it would require some alterations to remove the multiplayer elements that are temporarily fouling it up, to release it in SP format, but as i said, i'm not a programmer, so could be talking balls.... 

 

As an aside, I've actually found the responses from Kate in that thread to be incredibly illuminating on the future plans they have, and some of the best communication I've heard from ED in ages, so it just goes to show, that everyone's mileage varies!!!

Edited April 15, 2020 by DD_fruitbat

[DD_Arthur]

35 minutes ago, DD_fruitbat said:

Looking forward to hopefully having that one day?

 

Wot?  'Kate' improving your circumference

[DBFlyguy]

1 hour ago, BOO said:

Yeah the carrier with fully animated crew positions in IL2 is fantastic....oh wait...

yeah, the one in DCS is awesome too...oh wait ?

[BOO]

1 minute ago, DBFlyguy said:

yeah, the one in DCS is awesome too...oh wait ?

Actually - the Stennis is fine. Cetainly a lot better than any GB carrier. I suggest you go talk to all the ones who bought Kuban and all the collectors for the Pacific and who are now flying over Germany looking with utter disinterest at France before dissing other devs for their failures

 

Shit happens. EDs carrier is closer than IGCS's Pacific. 

[DD_fruitbat]

Probably flying a Corsair of a Lexington class carrier in the Marianas is closer in DCS too, but which ever one comes first, IGCS's or DCS, i'll be happy! 

Edited April 15, 2020 by DD_fruitbat

[CanadaOne]

24 minutes ago, DD_fruitbat said:

 

I'm not a programmer, but i'm guessing its not just as simple as shipping it out as is (did you notice the pun?), i would presume that it would require some alterations to remove the multiplayer elements that are temporarily fouling it up, to release it in SP format, but as i said, i'm not a programmer, so could be talking balls.... 

 

As an aside, I've actually found the responses from Kate in that thread to be incredibly illuminating on the future plans they have, and some of the best communication I've heard from ED in ages, so it just goes to show, that everyone's mileage varies!!!

 

You could be right about the technical issues. You could be 100% right.

 

But their communications on these issues have been terrible. They knew it was going to be delayed days ago, and then at the very last second announced it would be delayed for weeks, even though, as they impled, it could be released in a working fashion to 2/3 of the paying customers today. That might not be the case, but they stated it was the case.

 

They constructed a perfectly horrendous message and delivered it with great skill.

[BOO]

Kate has spent all day answering pro and negitive with some real degree of grace.  I agree that the PR for DCS isnt great but her interactions today are a good equal to GBs devs. The main different of course is that the Devs and Producer here interact a heck of a lot more in general. A strategy that really turned things around for them in terms of good will i seem to recall.  Ultimately for all the great interaction today, it only really equals JW, Hans and APs output every single week here. 

 

I just cant feel that dissapponted over £20 at the end of the day. Listening to some you think they'd remortgaged their house.. 

 

[CanadaOne]

For my part, I'm a big fan of DCS. But this was a bonehead maneuver for them to be sure. Their business must be worth millions. No one there saw this coming?

 

 

[BOO]

6 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

For my part, I'm a big fan of DCS. But this was a bonehead maneuver for them to be sure. Their business must be worth millions. No one there saw this coming?

 

 

Certainly one US Carrier where the captain probably does need sacking but i cant knock em cos i couldnt do it. 

 

 

Edited April 15, 2020 by BOO

[DBFlyguy]

49 minutes ago, BOO said:

I suggest you go talk to all the ones who bought Kuban and all the collectors for the Pacific and who are now flying over Germany looking with utter disinterest at France before dissing other devs for their failures

 

 

LOL ? No.  I'll diss any devs I want thanks, especially ED.  Incompetence shouldn't get celebrated just because they produce arguably cool video promos from time to time but continue to under perform on their own set goals.  

 

As far as the pacific theatre, yeah it sucks a bit we don't have it yet but I'd put my money on 1C actually doing it someday over thinking ED will ever make WWII aerial combat an actual thing worth investing in or ED actually fully finishing a module.  

[BOO]

3 hours ago, DBFlyguy said:

LOL ? No.  I'll diss any devs I want

 

Of course you will. I was mearly suggesting you may wish to do so with a more informed mind. 

Edited April 15, 2020 by BOO

[DBFlyguy]

7 minutes ago, BOO said:

Of course you will. I was mearly suggesting you may wish to do so with a more informed mind. 

you mean you want me adopt your point of view.  Ok guy. 

[Rolling_Thunder]

I'm surprised at the surprise, of some folk, that ED missed a release date. C'mon be honest, you didn't really think the carrier would be out this week did you?

[CanadaOne]

They did set a date after all. And that was after a few delays.

 

If they say "two-weeks", everyone will take it to mean whatever. We're all used to that. But when they say "April 15th" and as of the night of April 14th nothing has been said to the contrary, you'd think they would stick to it. And then they say 2/3 of the buyers could have had it today, but they don't feel like it so KMA and wait a few more weeks and maybe we'll give it to you.

 

All of this was handled in a mightily stupid fashion. Don't they have a salesperson who knows how the world works?

[DBFlyguy]

2 hours ago, Rolling_Thunder said:

I'm surprised at the surprise, of some folk, that ED missed a release date. C'mon be honest, you didn't really think the carrier would be out this week did you?

Nope, I saw the news this morning, thought "of course they did" and went on about my work day.  I have been really enjoying the new IL-2 update and hotfixes and even more enjoy this great sim. DCS is becoming more and more of a "why even bother" each week.  Maybe that'll change but its whatever. 

1 hour ago, CanadaOne said:

They did set a date after all. And that was after a few delays.

 

If they say "two-weeks", everyone will take it to mean whatever. We're all used to that. But when they say "April 15th" and as of the night of April 14th nothing has been said to the contrary, you'd think they would stick to it. And then they say 2/3 of the buyers could have had it today, but they don't feel like it so KMA and wait a few more weeks and maybe we'll give it to you.

 

All of this was handled in a mightily stupid fashion. Don't they have a salesperson who knows how the world works?

Their new talking head, Kate is her name I think, has stated they will consider releasing it first with single player functionality as a "plan b" ...they are also trying to determine IF they can offer refunds to folks that want their money back.... you can't make this stuff up. 

[Hoots]

5 hours ago, CanadaOne said:

They did set a date after all. And that was after a few delays.

 

If they say "two-weeks", everyone will take it to mean whatever. We're all used to that. But when they say "April 15th" and as of the night of April 14th nothing has been said to the contrary, you'd think they would stick to it. And then they say 2/3 of the buyers could have had it today, but they don't feel like it so KMA and wait a few more weeks and maybe we'll give it to you.

 

All of this was handled in a mightily stupid fashion. Don't they have a salesperson who knows how the world works?

I liked how they slipped in that the stats were taken over the last month... so presumably an extended timeline doesn’t show MP as quite so high. Almost like more people are trying MP because they’re stuck indoors...

[dburne]

8 hours ago, CanadaOne said:

They did set a date after all. And that was after a few delays.

 

If they say "two-weeks", everyone will take it to mean whatever. We're all used to that. But when they say "April 15th" and as of the night of April 14th nothing has been said to the contrary, you'd think they would stick to it. And then they say 2/3 of the buyers could have had it today, but they don't feel like it so KMA and wait a few more weeks and maybe we'll give it to you.

 

All of this was handled in a mightily stupid fashion. Don't they have a salesperson who knows how the world works?

 

Yeah lately, at least in the last year or so, when they apply an actual date they usually keep to it.

That is why there were so many disappointed, especially the Early Access buyers.

I was disappointed, but not all that bad. I can certainly live with another month or so. After al it is DCS, am used to it. 

[DD_fruitbat]

Fascinating interview with Nick Grey, 

 

 

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

Interesting interview, thanks for sharing! Need to finish the rest after work. Can´t wait to get the P47D.

[CanadaOne]

Yep, that was an excellent interview.

 

What I found interesting was his explanation that releasing beta planes with known bugs, and doing the fixes as they go along, was part of the business plan and they would fail if they didn't do it.

 

I have no problem with that, I just found it interesting that he stated it as clearly as he did.

[Sharpe43]

Check today's newsletter...incredible..

[BOO]

36 minutes ago, Sharpe43 said:

Check today's newsletter...incredible..

Im still trying to suss out how to!!  Never comes in email even though im suscribed and appears to be far to much effort for Sith to post in the forum these days. 

 

Edit Ah-Ha!!

 

 

Edited April 17, 2020 by BOO

[DD_fruitbat]

6 minutes ago, BOO said:

Im still trying to suss out how to!!  Never comes in email even though im suscribed and appears to be far to much effort for Sith to post in the forum these days. 

 

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=4290405#post4290405

 

Edit guess you've worked it out already!

 

Hmmmm, what to try.....

Edited April 17, 2020 by DD_fruitbat

[352ndOscar]

Update?

 

 

 

[BOO]

Cheers @DD_fruitbat

 

Somehow it didnt show as unread. Generous offers and genenerous Chaaaaaaariteeee commitments. S! ED!

Edited April 17, 2020 by BOO

[DD_Arthur]

Oh sh#t, more expense!

[LLv34_Flanker]

S!

 

Interesting additions to open beta :)

 

 

DCS WWII Asset Pack by ED
New AI units added to the module:Ju 88A-4 - torpedo bomber aircraft
A-20 - medium bomber aircraft
Stug III - assault gun
M10 - tank destroyer
Mk VIII Centaur IV - cruiser tank
Elefant - heavy tank destroyer
Mk IV Churchill VII - infantry tank
M8 Greyhound - armored car
8.8 cm Flak 41 - anti aircraft gun
Flakscheinwerfer 37 - searchlight
V-1 and launching ramp as static object
Shnellboot S-100 class
U-boat Type VII
LS Samuel Chase damage model corrected
APC and HE shells added for M10

[CanadaOne]

2 hours ago, LLv34_Flanker said:

S!

 

Interesting additions to open beta

 

 

DCS WWII Asset Pack by ED
New AI units added to the module:Ju 88A-4 - torpedo bomber aircraft
A-20 - medium bomber aircraft
Stug III - assault gun
M10 - tank destroyer
Mk VIII Centaur IV - cruiser tank
Elefant - heavy tank destroyer
Mk IV Churchill VII - infantry tank
M8 Greyhound - armored car
8.8 cm Flak 41 - anti aircraft gun
Flakscheinwerfer 37 - searchlight
V-1 and launching ramp as static object
Shnellboot S-100 class
U-boat Type VII
LS Samuel Chase damage model corrected
APC and HE shells added for M10

 

I have the assets pack and some of the models are very nicely done. I haven't had the JU-88 on a torpedo run yet, but soon.

 

The DCS free-everything-for-a-month offer is pretty freaking bold. You don't often see a move like that. That one is going to earn them some love.

[dburne]

8 hours ago, Sharpe43 said:

Check today's newsletter...incredible..

 

 

Very nice gesture by ED.

[AndyJWest]

9 hours ago, Sharpe43 said:

Check today's newsletter...incredible..

 

Yeah, saw that just after I'd bought myself £115 worth of stuff in the half-price sale: AV8B, F/A-18, Mig 15bis, Nevada and Persian Gulf maps. I'm not complaining though, as I'm sure it will get used beyond the end of the free month. I should probably try some of the other free stuff while I can, and leave the aircraft I've just bought for later - though I'm determined to do at least one passable vertical landing in the Harrier first. Preferably with more than the 20 Lbs of boost water I had left in the tank after my last spine-breaking arrival...

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 18, 2020 by AndyJWest

[CanadaOne]

I watched some Grim Reapers tutorial videos on the Harrier and they really helped a lot. Now I can almost not really but sometimes do good vertical landings. I'm having trouble firing the AGM-65, and transferring the FLIR to the HUD in the Harrier. I follow the instructions and... nothing. But I can lob a GPS guided bomb 25 miles onto some poor underpaid schloob in a truck. I mean, as if his day wasn't bad enough, and then... me.

 

I'm going to load up five or six of the demo planes at least. Mi-8, Ka-50, Mig 19 and 21, the 109, the Dora. And might try getting a little bit into the F-18 systems to see if I enjoy it and maybe buy it to go with the carrier. Felt no love for the F16 or JF-17 at all when I tried them.

 

A month of everything free. I still find that amazing.

[unlikely_spider]

@CanadaOne How is the Harrier, for someone who likes stick and rudder instead of having to learn a bunch of computer systems? It seems just weird enough that I was considering trying it.

 

I do like the MI-8 if you were interested in that one. An insane number of switches in the cockpit, and it's generally operated by at least three humans in real life, but it flies really well and docile coming from the Huey.

[DD_fruitbat]

53 minutes ago, CanadaOne said:

 

 

I'm going to load up five or six of the demo planes at least. Mi-8, Ka-50, Mig 19 and 21, the 109, the Dora. And might try getting a little bit into the F-18 systems to see if I enjoy it and maybe buy it to go with the carrier. Felt no love for the F16 or JF-17 at all when I tried them.

 

 

Heathen, the F-16 is an amazing plane, i love its simplicity and capabilities, will fill all my needs when it gets Mavericks (soon) and HARMS (not so soon). Between that and the Tomcat (more and more) it fills all my jet needs. Every time i jump into the Hornet i jump straight back out into the Viper. Everything in the Hornet is twice as complicated as in the Viper for reasons only know to the idiots designing it. Only thing going for it is its loadouts.

 

Aside from that, i'm tempted to try the Harrier and the Mig 21.

Edited April 18, 2020 by DD_fruitbat

[CanadaOne]

1 minute ago, DD_fruitbat said:

 

Heathen, the F-16 is an amazing plane, i love its simplicity and capabilities, will fill all my needs when it gets Mavericks (soon) and HARMS (not so soon). Between that and the Tomcat (more and more) it fills all my jet needs. Every time i jump into the Hornet i jump straight back out into the F16. Everything in the Hornet is twice as complicated as in the Viper for reasons only know to the idiots designing it. Only thing going for it is its loadouts.

 

Well damnit, man, now I'll have to try it again.

 

I played a ton of Falcon 3.0 and 4.0, really enjoyed it. But the DCS F16 just felt meh! I'll load it up and fart around a bit and see if love is in the air. It was nicely put together though, good looking plane. Not as pretty as the F-14, but then what is?