SimShaker - Wings support thread for IL-2 users

[DD_Crash]

Thanks, does this mean I need to use my credit card?

[Andre]

2 hours ago, HappyHaddock said:

I'm struggling to find a separate download for the additional option for simshaker wings to support bass shakers where it is not clear (to me at least) if this is part of the standard download I've already installed.

That's the  part of the standard download and it's available in demo mode. The option will be activated in your  SimShaker - Wings account properties.

3 minutes ago, DD_Crash said:

Thanks, does this mean I need to use my credit card?

Looks like that. If you don't have another PayPal account of private type.

Edited January 25, 2020 by Andre

[DD_Crash]

I will sort it tomorrow Thanks for your help

[=SFG=capt_nasties]

demo was super easy to get working and configure.  Had some fun with tuning settings, sent payment for an activation code.    thanks for a big addition to IL2.  my rig feels alive now. 

 

 

[Guest deleted@134347]

hi @Andre

 

the latest update is pretty unstable. Crashes mid game and on exit.

 

Is there anyway to get a previous version?

Edited January 26, 2020 by Count_de_Money

[Andre]

Yes, as described in the user guide in "Update" section https://dreamsimteam.blogspot.com/p/simshaker-wings-user-guide.html

There must be some error details in Windows Event Log Viewer with .NET Runtime as source, like on the picture attached. Could you please email me its details?

 

Edited January 26, 2020 by Andre

[Andre]

SimShaker - Wings beta v.1.35 published

Guys, in this version Engine Shake, Gun Fire and Stall/Aerodynamic Shake effects were strengthened in order to make them more noticeable for Gametrix JetSeat users.
Some of us will want to turn those updated effects down in order to not be overwhelmed. Please attend! Mind what you're about!

[=SFG=capt_nasties]

increasing the gain and a more broad HZ range of stall / aero shake was going to be my first suggestion.  so good on everyone for speaking up and andre for the development.  My launcher does not prompt me to update to 1.35, as it did with 1.34.  anyone else having this issue?  

 

 

this is very subjective, but to me the stall / aero shake is one of the biggest selling points for shaker software as it provides information that is lacking because we don't have  FFB joy sticks or the "Feel" of being in a real plane.  such important information to understand when you are on the limit in a turn fight / climb / death maneuver.  

 

another question, is it possible to allow 2 channel users to have an option for front and rear shakers rather than left and right?  I have a shaker under my seat and one under my pedals.  Currently running mono mode but figured I would ask

Edited January 26, 2020 by capt_nasties

[THERION]

3 hours ago, Andre said:

SimShaker - Wings beta v.1.35 published

Guys, in this version Engine Shake, Gun Fire and Stall/Aerodynamic Shake effects were strengthened in order to make them more noticeable for Gametrix JetSeat users.
Some of us will want to turn those updated effects down in order to not be overwhelmed. Please attend! Mind what you're about!

 

Hi André,

 

thank you very much for your new version. The tweaked effects are great, especially the Stall/Aerodynamic is very impressive and very, very helpful.

I just ran a quick test on BERLOGA. Wow, this is really fantastic, it helps me so much to better control my airplane and to perform better evasive

maneuvres without blacking out. Thank you again - great work.

 

Cheerio

[Andre]

14 hours ago, capt_nasties said:

My launcher does not prompt me to update to 1.35, as it did with 1.34.  anyone else having this issue?  

I think you can try to force the update process with this file https://sswn-beta.azurewebsites.net/simshaker-wings/beta/beta SimShaker-Wings-Launcher.application

14 hours ago, capt_nasties said:

another question, is it possible to allow 2 channel users to have an option for front and rear shakers rather than left and right? 

Currently it's possible by samples customization as described in the User Guide https://dreamsimteam.blogspot.com/p/user-guides.html

If you want me to to do that job I will ask you for a table describing what channels (front/rear/ both) with what intensity (% of max level) to be played for every single effect.

[THERION]

45 minutes ago, Andre said:

I think you can try to force the update process with this file https://sswn-beta.azurewebsites.net/simshaker-wings/beta/beta SimShaker-Wings-Launcher.application

Currently it's possible by samples customization as described in the User Guide https://dreamsimteam.blogspot.com/p/user-guides.html

If you want me to to do that job I will ask you for a table describing what channels (front/rear/ both) with what intensity (% of max level) to be played for every single effect.

 

Hi André,

 

I've got a question on this occasion - is it possible to manually modify the way the motors in the Gametrix seat are activated depending of the cues? Like for example

if you have only guns in the wing roots so when firing you would only activate the motors at the bottom of the seat?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Cheerio

[Guest deleted@134347]

@Andre

 

thank you for the new version. It works like a charm and I don't experience any more crashes!

 

Also, as a suggestion:

- can you incorporate a Master volume/intensity slider that controls an Overall Intensity for all effects at once (while keeping individual effects presets at their configured % settings)? If at all possible.. 

 

Reason:  I mix in my game sounds to the same bass shakers (via voicemeter). Sometimes I need to increase or lower my game volume when flying different planes (game sound engine doesn't offer the same volume intensity for all planes), whilst the SimShaker effects remain the same. It would be nice to be able to match the simshaker effects intensity to the game sound intensity during those changes.

Edited January 27, 2020 by Count_de_Money

[Andre]

3 hours ago, -=-THERION said:

 

Hi André,

 

I've got a question on this occasion - is it possible to manually modify the way the motors in the Gametrix seat are activated depending of the cues? Like for example

if you have only guns in the wing roots so when firing you would only activate the motors at the bottom of the seat?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Cheerio

Hi,

currently such a deep customization is not supported. I think it would be complicated. Do we really need that?

1 hour ago, Count_de_Money said:

@Andre

 

thank you for the new version. It works like a charm and I don't experience any more crashes!

 

Also, as a suggestion:

- can you incorporate a Master volume/intensity slider that controls an Overall Intensity for all effects at once (while keeping individual effects presets at their configured % settings)? If at all possible.. 

 

Reason:  I mix in my game sounds to the same bass shakers (via voicemeter). Sometimes I need to increase or lower my game volume when flying different planes (game sound engine doesn't offer the same volume intensity for all planes), whilst the SimShaker effects remain the same. It would be nice to be able to match the simshaker effects intensity to the game sound intensity during those changes.

I think that wouldn't be hard to add, but I thought Voicemeeter already features Gain slider for every input. Doesn't it?

[THERION]

31 minutes ago, Andre said:

Hi,

currently such a deep customization is not supported. I think it would be complicated. Do we really need that?

 

No, I was just asking. I thought, that I maybe overlooked something. Everything's fine. Thank you.

[Guest deleted@134347]

32 minutes ago, Andre said:

Hi,

currently such a deep customization is not supported. I think it would be complicated. Do we really need that?

I think that wouldn't be hard to add, but I thought Voicemeeter already features Gain slider for every input. Doesn't it?

 

good point.. I'll try it out tonight. It's a first time I'm using VoiceMeter and its interface is pretty darn confusing...

[HappyHaddock]

Well I've had another attempt at downloading/installing the latest beta version without luck. (std safe version installed fine but has limited features))

 

Initially Windows wishes to block this beta version as an un-recognised ap. However I can get around that and tell Windows to go ahead anyway.

 

Norton's security then kicks in and declares the initial one click setup ap. unsafe and quarantines it. However I can get it out of quarantine and tell Norton's to permit the launcher ap to go ahead and download simshaker wings anyway.

 

However even then once it has got past all this security the one-click set-up still fails generating the following error message

 

" An error occurred trying to download 'http://dsteam.azurewebsites.net/simshaker-wings/beta/beta%20SimShaker-Wings-Launcher.application'.  "

 

Have others found it as difficult to actually download and install this?  I've tried this three times and each time gone through the same steps only to be defeated by this general error message.

 

Cheers

 

HH

[FTC_crane]

20 hours ago, capt_nasties said:

another question, is it possible to allow 2 channel users to have an option for front and rear shakers rather than left and right?  I have a shaker under my seat and one under my pedals.  Currently running mono mode but figured I would ask

 

What a great idea! I'm currently using two bass-shakers in my seat cushion enhancing the low game engine sound. I've ordered an additional amp, sound card and two bass-shakers to add shim-shaker output, so I'll try putting one below my rudder pedals and one on the center mount of the stick. Imagine if you can give out G-force vibration on the rudder and buffeting on the stick, or vice versa.

[SCG_motoadve]

5 hours ago, ACG_crane said:

 

What a great idea! I'm currently using two bass-shakers in my seat cushion enhancing the low game engine sound. I've ordered an additional amp, sound card and two bass-shakers to add shim-shaker output, so I'll try putting one below my rudder pedals and one on the center mount of the stick. Imagine if you can give out G-force vibration on the rudder and buffeting on the stick, or vice versa.

Throttle quadrant vibrates more than the rudder pedals usually.I am thinking of interconnecting somehow the Buttkicker in the joystick so it give vibration to the throttle quadrant.

 

Any suggestions on how to do that?

[Habu]

Carefull with that, i'm not sure that electronic from the joystick/throttle will suport the vibration.

[dburne]

5 hours ago, Habu said:

Carefull with that, i'm not sure that electronic from the joystick/throttle will suport the vibration.

 

Yeah I was thinking the same, no way am I going to vibrate my new Gunfighter Pro setup.

[Andre]

18 hours ago, HappyHaddock said:

However even then once it has got past all this security the one-click set-up still fails generating the following error message

 

" An error occurred trying to download 'http://dsteam.azurewebsites.net/simshaker-wings/beta/beta%20SimShaker-Wings-Launcher.application'.  "

 

Looks like something still blocks downloading.

Here is a link where you can download zipped beta 1.35 version https://1drv.ms/u/s!AtZazqt_Ko-7gZsvOK_zRJ63EzxJTA?e=1nKyqX

Unzip all files to any location on your PC hard drive and create a shortcut for SimShaker-Wings-Launcher exe file or start it directly. Note: In this case provided by Microsoft ClickOnce deployment system auto-updates and roll backs will be disabled and you will need to update and back up the application manually.

[SCG_motoadve]

4 hours ago, dburne said:

 

Yeah I was thinking the same, no way am I going to vibrate my new Gunfighter Pro setup.

Been using it with the Buttkicker more than 2 years,almost every day, no issues at all.

The vibration in the joystick is toned down compared to the Buttkicker in the seat.

[HappyHaddock]

3 hours ago, Andre said:

Looks like something still blocks downloading.

Here is a link where you can download zipped beta 1.35 version https://1drv.ms/u/s!AtZazqt_Ko-7gZsvOK_zRJ63EzxJTA?e=1nKyqX

Unzip all files to any location on your PC hard drive and create a shortcut for SimShaker-Wings-Launcher exe file or start it directly. Note: In this case provided by Microsoft ClickOnce deployment system auto-updates and roll backs will be disabled and you will need to update and back up the application manually.

 

Cheers I'll give this a try, though whilst I'm still waiting on delivery of  the spare part to repair my buttkicker  I'll be without any means of actually testing/using this, but getting the software onto my computer is, of course, the first step.

 

HH

 

Edit:  Thanks for this as it seems to have worked as  I do now have the most recent beta software installed on my PC. Whilst the anti virus still keeps flashing up warnings about it being unrecognised, it is no problem to by pass and launch it anyway... so next step is to get my old buttkicker repaired.

 

Thanks again HH

Edited January 28, 2020 by HappyHaddock

[=SFG=capt_nasties]

On 1/27/2020 at 4:51 AM, Andre said:

I think you can try to force the update process with this file https://sswn-beta.azurewebsites.net/simshaker-wings/beta/beta SimShaker-Wings-Launcher.application

Currently it's possible by samples customization as described in the User Guide https://dreamsimteam.blogspot.com/p/user-guides.html

If you want me to to do that job I will ask you for a table describing what channels (front/rear/ both) with what intensity (% of max level) to be played for every single effect.

 

this worked the stall effect from 1.35 is much better. would it be possible to have it come in a bit sooner as stall is approaching perhaps at a higher frequency?  seems like the buffeting effects could also be more dynamic.  

 

all in all we are already talking some pretty sophisticated refinements.  which means you have done a great job @Andre  thanks again.  Please take these comments as constructive criticism and suggestions and not demands or problems.  ?

[HappyHaddock]

@Andre  Thanks both for developing this and the support helping me get the demo version set up.

 

Got my buttkicker repaired today and have given this a first try. Excellent..... it  is going to rate as one of those defining moments when flight sims took another step forward for me. I had kind of hoped that buying the buttkicker a couple of years ago was going to be one such moment but in reality it merely showed potential rather than delivered it.

 

This software turned the buttkicker from an amusing novelty I'd only use when listening to music into something  I'd now list as a valuable and useful piece of kit for flight sims. Sure it might take a bit of tweaking to get things set up to my own preferences but I've only just tried it for the first time so there's no reason to assume I can't balance the different effects to the levels I want them.

 

My first impressions are that G forces may be "overdone" as my chair was shaking like crazy when taking a gentle flight in a camel; I'd assumed that it was the engine shake  but even in a gentle glide with the engine off there was still some immense shaking and the indictor in your software was telling me it was g forces triggering this.... I think I may have to play with dead zone a lot!

 

I look forward to seeing how this will develop with time, and I'm heading to your website now to formally purchase this.

 

Cheers

 

HH 

 

EDIT well it looks like I'm another persons whose paypal payment has been rejected because of regulatory issues, so it looks like I'll have to try alternative means of payment.

Edited January 29, 2020 by HappyHaddock

[SCG_motoadve]

9 minutes ago, HappyHaddock said:

@Andre  Thanks both for developing this and the support helping me get the demo version set up.

 

Got my buttkicker repaired today and have given this a first try. Excellent..... it  is going to rate as one of those defining moments when flight sims took another step forward for me. I had kind of hoped that buying the buttkicker a couple of years ago was going to be one such moment but in reality it merely showed potential rather than delivered it.

 

This software turned the buttkicker from an amusing novelty I'd only use when listening to music into something  I'd now list as a valuable and useful piece of kit for flight sims. Sure it might take a bit of tweaking to get things set up to my own preferences but I've only just tried it for the first time so there's no reason to assume I can't balance the different effects to the levels I want them.

 

My first impressions are that G forces may be "overdone" as my chair was shaking like crazy when taking a gentle flight in a camel; I'd assumed that it was the engine shake  but even in a gentle glide with the engine off there was still some immense shaking and the indictor in your software was telling me it was g forces triggering this.... I think I may have to play with dead zone a lot!

 

I look forward to seeing how this will develop with time, and I'm heading to your website now to formally purchase this.

 

Cheers

 

HH 

G forces is the setting I have the lowest gain, I have at 30.

I like it but also felt was a bit overdone, backing it to 30 did the trick for me.

 

[THERION]

11 minutes ago, SCG_motoadve said:

G forces is the setting I have the lowest gain, I have at 30.

I like it but also felt was a bit overdone, backing it to 30 did the trick for me.

 

 

Hi,

 

I've tested some settings and finally ended up with these gain settings - and I'm happy with it. Brings a lot of immersion and helps to control

the airplane a bit more. If anyone is interested, here you are:

 

 

Cheers

[HagarTheHorrible]

Do you guys put all settings to zero and then individually dial in each effect, one by one ?

[Andre]

12 hours ago, capt_nasties said:

this worked the stall effect from 1.35 is much better. would it be possible to have it come in a bit sooner as stall is approaching perhaps at a higher frequency?  seems like the buffeting effects could also be more dynamic.  

I don't think so since for IL-2 I do not analyse AoA, flaps position and so on, but I get ready-to-use aerodynamic_shake_amp value, which is much more accurate on my opinion. Hence we can't get it any sooner than the game produce it.

2 hours ago, HappyHaddock said:

well it looks like I'm another persons whose paypal payment has been rejected because of regulatory issues

According to our country regulations I can accept from private (not merchant) PayPal accounts only.

Edited January 29, 2020 by Andre

[HappyHaddock]

8 minutes ago, Andre said:

 

According to our country regulations I can accept from private (not merchant) PayPal accounts only.

 

I don't have a merchant account, although I have occasionally  used it in the past to make life easier for my foreign clients to deal with currency exchange if they are not happy to use direct bank transfers.... Anyway I'll try an alternative means of payment.

[JimmySolarium_VR]

Good evening,

 

What exactly does the "enable Compressor" option do?

I have a reckhorn bassshaker installed but unfortunately I can´t get any signal for firing the guns

[THERION]

5 hours ago, HagarTheHorrible said:

Do you guys put all settings to zero and then individually dial in each effect, one by one ?

 

Yes, I did it like this, but just in the opposite way as all the the cues are set to 50% as default.

[Andre]

12 hours ago, JimmySolarium said:

What exactly does the "enable Compressor" option do?

Please read here https://dreamsimteam.blogspot.com/2017/05/simshaker-wheels-beta-version-26.html

12 hours ago, JimmySolarium said:

I have a reckhorn bassshaker installed but unfortunately I can´t get any signal for firing the guns

At what AC?

May I see a screenshot of your SimShaker - Wings settings?

Can you get any other effects?

Edited January 30, 2020 by Andre

[Blooddawn1942]

Hi @Andre

I wantet to give it a try. Simshaker with DCS works fine with my Jetseat. But I have trouble to get Wings to run with IL2.

I copied the 2 Sections into the startup.cnf. and installed the Software. When i Start IL2, the Window appears with following message, which sounds quiet good:

 

15:48:23.883 Listening for IL_2_Great_Battles UDP packets at port 29373. If still there is no signal yet, please refer to Integration with Supported Games section of SimShaker-Wing User Guide
 

 

but when I get into a plane there is an endless repeat of a message in red , "Wrong telemetry packed ID" and no seat vibration at all.

 

Any help would much appreciated.

 

Edit: Version is 1.27 in DEMO mode.

Edited January 30, 2020 by Blooddawn1942

[Andre]

Hi Blooddawn1942,

If you use version 1.27, I would recommend you to paste only 1 section as described in SimShaker - Wings User Guide

https://dreamsimteam.blogspot.com/p/user-guides.html

Edited January 30, 2020 by Andre

[THERION]

1 hour ago, Blooddawn1942 said:

Hi @Andre

I wantet to give it a try. Simshaker with DCS works fine with my Jetseat. But I have trouble to get Wings to run with IL2.

I copied the 2 Sections into the startup.cnf. and installed the Software. When i Start IL2, the Window appears with following message, which sounds quiet good:

 

15:48:23.883 Listening for IL_2_Great_Battles UDP packets at port 29373. If still there is no signal yet, please refer to Integration with Supported Games section of SimShaker-Wing User Guide
 

 

but when I get into a plane there is an endless repeat of a message in red , "Wrong telemetry packed ID" and no seat vibration at all.

 

Any help would much appreciated.

 

Edit: Version is 1.27 in DEMO mode.

 

Hi,

 

assuming that you do not use motion platform, you only need the following entry in your startup.cfg file, which is:

 

[KEY = telemetrydevice]
    addr = "127.0.0.1"
    decimation = 2
    enable = true
    port = 29373
[END]

 

Nothing else. And you better update your SimShaker software to 1.35.... and if you don't have a licence key, you can try it first and then you will see,

that this piece of software is absolutely stunning. Finally you might be willing to buy a licence key. I did it this way last week and I really don't regret.

 

Cheers

[Blooddawn1942]

Yes. I'm willing to buy the license. But first I want it to run properly. So I delete the section regarding the motion platform. Hope, that will do the trick. 

One question. Where can I get the actual version? I've only discovered 1.27.

 

I will report in an hour or so. 

Thanks for the response guys. 

Edited January 30, 2020 by Blooddawn1942

[Andre]

Regarding the version please read above.

Version 1.35 (beta) uses both the "telemetrydevice" and "motionplatform" sections data.

Edited January 30, 2020 by Andre

[THERION]

9 minutes ago, Blooddawn1942 said:

Yes. I'm willing to buy the license. But first I want it to run properly. So I delete the section regarding the motion platform. Hope, that will do the trick. 

One question. Where can I get the actual version? I've only discovered 1.27.

 

I will report in an hour or so. 

Thanks for the response guys. 

 

Here you are:

 

https://dreamsimteam.blogspot.com/p/simshaker-wings-user-guide.html

 

Click on the link called "Setup file" (one click exe-file) or some lines below for the simple ZIP-flie.

[Andre]

1 minute ago, -=-THERION said:

 

Here you are:

 

https://dreamsimteam.blogspot.com/p/simshaker-wings-user-guide.html

 

Click on the link called "Setup file" (one click exe-file) or some lines below for the simple ZIP-flie.

You are pointing him to a stable (release) version, which is 1.27 currently.