SimShaker - Wings support thread for IL-2 users

[Andre]

2 hours ago, Youtch said:

Excellent, I didn t get to appreciate that level of details with the HF8, which is more ON/OFF and not so responsive, but I am sure it must be much better refelected on the jeat seat.

 

Any distinction made for bombs ordonnance weight in term of feedback?

No, I'm afraid not, sorry. Only side where it was released.

[Youtch]

1 hour ago, Andre said:

No, I'm afraid not, sorry. Only side where it was released.

Is it because this information is not available through telemetry?

[[CPT]Nem0]

Hello Andre!

 

I have been using JetPad/SimShaker for over a year with great and satisfying success.   I recently upgraded my motherboard.  The old MB used the Realtek sound system and so does the new board.  Everything on my system works as it should except JetPad/SS.    

 

SS does not 'shut down' upon mission end (which usually is when I get shot down and die) nor when I exit the game.  The 'engine' continues to vibrate even after the SS software is shut down.  

 

Should I un-install SS and re-install?  or should I be looking elsewhere for the issue.  I have done all I know to do.  Startup.cfg entries for SS are correct.

 

Thanks!

[Andre]

34 minutes ago, [CPT]Nem0 said:

Hello Andre!

 

I have been using JetPad/SimShaker for over a year with great and satisfying success.   I recently upgraded my motherboard.  The old MB used the Realtek sound system and so does the new board.  Everything on my system works as it should except JetPad/SS.    

 

SS does not 'shut down' upon mission end (which usually is when I get shot down and die) nor when I exit the game.  The 'engine' continues to vibrate even after the SS software is shut down.  

 

Should I un-install SS and re-install?  or should I be looking elsewhere for the issue.  I have done all I know to do.  Startup.cfg entries for SS are correct.

 

Thanks!

Hello,

I would rather suspect JetPad than SimShaker Wings judging by the description provided.

If you hit the Test button in SimShaker Wings app, does it stop vibrating correctly?

[[CPT]Nem0]

Thanks for the quick response! for this low IQ user...

 

I got it sorted out.  \

 

It did stop correctly using the Test button.   My mistake was not pressing the 'apply' button on the reconfig.

 

Love your product!

 

Salute!

 

 

[TCW_DirtyMike0330]

Has anyone had an issue where the vibrations time out, basically like in demo mode, but the software still indicates that it is activated? It did this several times today, coming back on after a period of time, and then stopping again periodically. I just installed the beta version 2.17 to see if that will solve the problem when I play again tomorrow, but was curious if anyone else experienced this. Not sure what I can do, from a software perspective, since it indicates activation. 

[Panzerlang]

3 hours ago, TCW_DirtyMike0330 said:

Has anyone had an issue where the vibrations time out, basically like in demo mode, but the software still indicates that it is activated? It did this several times today, coming back on after a period of time, and then stopping again periodically. I just installed the beta version 2.17 to see if that will solve the problem when I play again tomorrow, but was curious if anyone else experienced this. Not sure what I can do, from a software perspective, since it indicates activation. 

Yes, that's been common for me too.

[TCW_DirtyMike0330]

17 hours ago, Panzerlang said:

Yes, that's been common for me too

@Andre any suggestions for this by any chance? 

[Andre]

16 minutes ago, TCW_DirtyMike0330 said:

@Andre any suggestions for this by any chance? 

If one uses actual software version it should work fine. An outdated version can stop working but I would rather expect it to stop permanently and not periodically.

[Panzerlang]

5 hours ago, Andre said:

If one uses actual software version it should work fine. An outdated version can stop working but I would rather expect it to stop permanently and not periodically.

I've always suspected it's something to do with IL2's sound files. I get no similar issue with DCS over SS for Aviators.

[TCW_DirtyMike0330]

On 7/4/2024 at 1:29 PM, Andre said:

If one uses actual software version it should work fine. An outdated version can stop working but I would rather expect it to stop permanently and not periodically.

I completely deleted Wings, including the appdata folder, and then re-installed. So far so good in 3 extended play sessions. 🤞

[Andre]

3 hours ago, TCW_DirtyMike0330 said:

I completely deleted Wings, including the appdata folder, and then re-installed. So far so good in 3 extended play sessions. 🤞

Thank you for the update!

[c19580]

I have a buttkicker on order and would like to use simshaker wings.

 

i already read Andre’s website user guide. Does anyone know of a more in-depth guide or tutorial on how to set it up?

 

Thanks!

[Youtch]

Hello,

 

@Andre I have noticed an issue with the pad vibration which happens to be the same that I had experimented also with Buttkicker a year ago, when I first tried it:

If you select unlimited ammo and use bombs, only the first 2 or 3 bombs you drop trigger the payload release vibration effect,

 the remaining bombs you drop after that produce no effect at all, I tried this in Fw190D9 and Me190 G6Late and other planes with the same outcomes.

- Is it because IL2 stop sending telemetry or it is due to SimshakerWings software not processing it?

 

I am using the beta version of SimshakerWings, let me know if you need some files to reproduce it.

 

I am also noticing an excessive delay in the response of the pad, it is specially noticeable in case of landing and even more for belly landing where there is no vibration at all when the plane touches the ground, but vibration starts after the plane has already stopped, which breaks totally the immersion.

I will try without Bill2, whenever I can to see if it might be due to the prioritization of processes. Any other idea why it could be happening?

 

Thank you very much again,

y.

[Andre]

Hello,

Thank you for the feedback.

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- Is it because IL2 stop sending telemetry or it is due to SimshakerWings software not processing it?

I would rather suspect the game not sending telemetry about the event.

 

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Any other idea why it could be happening?

In most cases a reason for such delays - Verbose Logging enabled in SimShaker Wings. It may affect performance.

But you mentioned unstable communication between the app and the pad earlier. If it is still actual the effects can be quite unpredictable.

[Youtch]

8 minutes ago, Andre said:

In most cases a reason for such delays - Verbose Logging enabled in SimShaker Wings. It may affect performance.

Thanks I will be trying without verbose

 

11 minutes ago, Andre said:

I would rather suspect the game not sending telemetry about the event.

How can it be checked? 

 

Many thanks for your quick answer.

[Andre]

25 minutes ago, Youtch said:

Thanks I will be trying without verbose

 

How can it be checked? 

 

Many thanks for your quick answer.

 

26 minutes ago, Youtch said:

Thanks I will be trying without verbose

 

How can it be checked? 

 

Many thanks for your quick answer.

I've just checked it at my end. It is easy to reproduce. All the bombs you take from an airfield are reported by the game and the respawned bombs are not.
There is nothing to change in SimShaker Wings to fix this.

If it's not too much trouble, please, submit this issue to the game support team. Keywords may be like "telemetrydevice output data", "drop bomb event", "unlimited ammo enabled", "respawned bombs".

[Youtch]

 

19 hours ago, Andre said:

If it's not too much trouble, please, submit this issue to the game support team. Keywords may be like "telemetrydevice output data", "drop bomb event", "unlimited ammo enabled", "respawned bombs".

Done

 

[Youtch]

If I may ask a stupid question:

 

I understand that bass-shakers gain level are only relevant if you own a bass shaker and irrelevant if you have simshaker pad only, correct?

Or they can change the response of simshaker pad as well?

 

Thanks again,

y.

[Andre]

On 8/22/2024 at 12:39 PM, Youtch said:

If I may ask a stupid question:

 

I understand that bass-shakers gain level are only relevant if you own a bass shaker and irrelevant if you have simshaker pad only, correct?

Or they can change the response of simshaker pad as well?

 

Thanks again,

y.

Correct. Basically they can not.
If you find them doing that please let me know, as this may be due to a bug in my code.

Edited August 30, 2024 by Andre

[GOA_Karaya_VR]

Spoiler

 

Hello Pilots

 

Im triying to run my HF8 with my Simshaker Wings software for run it on IL2 but the check for select the force feel HF8 is disabled ( on gray ).

 

Somebody please can guide me for run my HF8 with the sim.

 

Kind Regards.

 

Edited August 29, 2024 by GOA_Bf109Pilot_VR

[DD_Crash]

I think my jetseat is broken. The light doesnt come on and windows doesnt see it. Is there a way to test the controller? I have tried a different usb port but no joy. Are spares available?

Thanks in advance.

[Youtch]

1 hour ago, DD_Crash said:

I think my jetseat is broken. The light doesnt come on and windows doesnt see it. Is there a way to test the controller? I have tried a different usb port but no joy. Are spares available?

Thanks in advance.

How long you had it?

[DD_Crash]

Maybe 4 years. I need to get it working as I miss it when flying.

[Andre]

3 hours ago, DD_Crash said:

I think my jetseat is broken. The light doesnt come on and windows doesnt see it. Is there a way to test the controller? I have tried a different usb port but no joy. Are spares available?

Thanks in advance.

Hi,

I think that may be a known issue.

Please try to reload the Gametrix control unit firmware as described in the Troubleshooting section of the User Guide https://simshaker.com/guides/jetpad

 

[DD_Crash]

Thank you for the very quick reply. I will try that tomorrow.

[DD_Crash]

I think I might have damaged something when I plugged the din connector back together. Is it repairable?

[Andre]

46 minutes ago, DD_Crash said:

I think I might have damaged something when I plugged the din connector back together. Is it repairable?

Yes, you can ither replace the broken connector with a new one or exercise a quick fix https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mlsk7tt0qMo

 

[DD_Crash]

You are a star Andre

[DD_Crash]

Done and tested, I am very happy

[Youtch]

Dear all,

 

I ran into an issue with SimShaker Wings, failing to connect to port, because according to logs access to port is denied.

 

By default SimShaker Pad always connects, while SimShaker Wings always fails to connect.

 

They connect through the same port. 

Could it be possible that SimShaker Pad is denying SimShaker access to the port even when it is not running?

 

On SimShaker Pad Handler, I have systematically connection to port in less than 5 seconds:

11:8:17.531 UDP Receiver started
11:8:17.659 SimShaker Pad Handler version 1.7
11:8:18.98 Good news. This application version is up to date
11:8:20.519 SSP_H: Trying with port COM13
11:8:21.565 SSP_H: SSP device port detected as COM13
11:8:21.566 SimShaker Pad firmware version 0.7
11:8:21.567 SSP_H: SSP device connected at COM13
11:8:21.568 Periodical Update timer enabled
11:8:23.962 SSP_H: Data Received: SSP version 0.7
11:8:23.964 Alive timer enabled
11:8:23.994 SSP_H: Data Received: USB Levels->0

 

With SimShaker Wings, I can leave it for hours, it will never connect:

11:12:30.105 SSP_H: Trying with port COM13
11:12:30.107 SSP_H: port COM13 exception Access to the port 'COM13' is denied.

 

I tested to run them individually, or start both Pad and Wings at the same time, or Wings before Pad or Pad before Wings, the results are always the same.

 

I tried several USB ports, always the same behavior.

 

So, both applications must be doing something different, if it works systematically for one, and fails systematically for the other.

 

The only way I can get SimShaker Wings to connect is if I unplug and replug the USB port while SimShaker Wings is running.

 

BUT, this will cause SimShaker Pad to disconnect, as it denies the port for SimShaker Pad, even upon restart of SimShaker Pad, the port will still be denied, as long as SimShaker Wings is running connected.

If I close SimShaker Wings and SimShaker Pad is running, it will close the port for SimShaker Pad, reporting port closed and no longer denied.

 

But If I restart SimShaker Wings, SimShaker Wings looses again the connection, as if it was resetting all the connection, making the port available for SimShaker Pad which will reconnect.

 

A restart of SimShaker Pad always systematically reconnects (as long as the port is not hooked by SimShaker Wings already running connected).

 

All this is 100% reproducible (at least on my computer).

 

For some reason, it looks as if SimShaker Pad would be hooking the port when it has connected once, making it unavailable for SimShaker Wings (thus denied), and this even when SimShaker Pad is not running, and that the only solution to force a connection of SimShaker Wings is to plug/unplug, causing SimShaker Pad to release and loose the port, even though this will work only for as long as the SimShaker Wings session is maintained, and be lost upon SimShaker Wings restart.

 

Any idea what could be wrong and what could I do to fix this? It is very frustrating to have to unplug and plug the USB port each time I tried to use IL2 with WindShaker Wings. I don t have this problem with SSA and DCS.

 

Many thanks in advance for your insights.

 

y.

Edited November 1, 2024 by Youtch
Clarify the question

[Andre]

51 minutes ago, Youtch said:

Dear all,

 

I ran into an issue with SimShaker Wings, failing to connect to port, because according to logs access to port is denied.

 

By default SimShaker Pad always connects, while SimShaker Wings always fails to connect.

 

They connect through the same port. 

Could it be possible that they are both competing to the same port and denying each other, and hence cannot have both connected at the same time?

 

On SimShaker Pad Handler, I have systematically connection to port in less than 5 seconds:

11:8:17.531 UDP Receiver started
11:8:17.659 SimShaker Pad Handler version 1.7
11:8:18.98 Good news. This application version is up to date
11:8:20.519 SSP_H: Trying with port COM13
11:8:21.565 SSP_H: SSP device port detected as COM13
11:8:21.566 SimShaker Pad firmware version 0.7
11:8:21.567 SSP_H: SSP device connected at COM13
11:8:21.568 Periodical Update timer enabled
11:8:23.962 SSP_H: Data Received: SSP version 0.7
11:8:23.964 Alive timer enabled
11:8:23.994 SSP_H: Data Received: USB Levels->0

 

With SimShaker Wings, I can leave it for hours, it will never connect:

11:12:30.105 SSP_H: Trying with port COM13
11:12:30.107 SSP_H: port COM13 exception Access to the port 'COM13' is denied.

 

I tested to run them individually, or start both Pad and Wings at the same time, or Wings before Pad or Pad before Wings, the results are always the same.

 

I tried several USB ports, always the same behavior.

 

So, both applications must be doing something different, if it works systematically for one, and fails systematically for the other.

 

The only way I can get SimShaker Wings to connect is if I unplug and replug the USB port while SimShaker Wings is running.

 

BUT, this will cause SimShaker Pad to disconnect, as it denies the port for SimShaker Pad, even upon restart of SimShaker Pad, the port will still be denied, as long as SimShaker Wings is running connected.

If I close SimShaker Wings and SimShaker Pad is running, it will close the port for SimShaker Pad, reporting port closed and no longer denied.

 

But If I restart SimShaker Wings, SimShaker Wings looses again the connection, as if it was resetting all the connection, making the port available for SimShaker Pad which will reconnect.

 

A restart of SimShaker Pad always systematically reconnects (as long as the port is not hooked by SimShaker Wings already running connected).

 

All this is 100% reproducible (at least on my computer).

 

For some reason, it looks as if SimShaker Pad would be hooking the port when it has connected once, making it unavailable for SimShaker Wings (thus denied), and this even when SimShaker Pad is not running, and that the only solution to force a connection of SimShaker Wings is to plug/unplug, causing SimShaker Pad to release and loose the port, even though this will work only for as long as the SimShaker Wings session is maintained, and be lost upon SimShaker Wings restart.

 

Any idea what could be wrong and what could I do to fix this? It is very frustrating to have to unplug and plug the USB port each time I tried to use IL2 with WindShaker Wings. I don t have this problem with SSA and DCS.

 

Many thanks in advance for your insights.

 

y.

Well, "exception Access to the port is denied " is a very much different case we discussed through PMs.
Indeed, you can't run both SimShaker Pad App and SimShaker Wings at the same time as it causes this access denied exception. And there is no need to have them both running at the same time. 
Please run SimShaker Wings only.

Edited November 1, 2024 by Andre

[Youtch]

7 hours ago, Andre said:

Well, "exception Access to the port is denied " is a very much different case we discussed through PMs.
Indeed, you can't run both SimShaker Pad App and SimShaker Wings at the same time as it causes this access denied exception. And there is no need to have them both running at the same time. 
Please run SimShaker Wings only.

I fully understand that we should NOT run both at the same time, my question above was misleading.

 

I am just trying to troubleshoot why Pad is always connecting, while Wings is not, and if I can reproduce scenarios of port access denied.

 

I believe that Simshaker Wings cannot connect because somehow the port is used by another app and not released. The question is which other app, or why Wings fails to detect correctly that the port is functional, except if forcing a reset through unplugging/plugging

 

 

 

Edited November 1, 2024 by Youtch

[Andre]

10 hours ago, Youtch said:

The question is which other app

 

I think you can try to find it with the Process Explorer tool from Microsoft.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/process-explorer

Download, unzip and run the tool. I run its 64 bit version as my OS is 64 bit type.

In the tool interface go to Find -> Handle or DLL and search for 'serial' . I think you will see something like below. In this case the port COM4 was occupied by SimShaker Wings app and we can see it .

Edited November 2, 2024 by Andre

[joebejammin]

  

Good evening @Andre ,

 

I have purchased wings and used it previously, but after a few months off of IL2 I boot it back up and the program no longer works. It boots, can sense IL2, but no vibrational input to my HF8 whatsoever. I have reinstalled, cleared and re entered the startup.cfg file, cleared the wings settings document, uninstalled SRS, added the text entry for multiple application outputs, and none of that has had any effect.

 

If you have any other ideas on how to troubleshoot, it would be appreciated. I should also add I know my HF8 is working since the button to test it works and sim shaker aviators works no issue with DCS.

[Andre]

4 hours ago, joebejammin said:

  

Good evening @Andre ,

 

I have purchased wings and used it previously, but after a few months off of IL2 I boot it back up and the program no longer works. It boots, can sense IL2, but no vibrational input to my HF8 whatsoever. I have reinstalled, cleared and re entered the startup.cfg file, cleared the wings settings document, uninstalled SRS, added the text entry for multiple application outputs, and none of that has had any effect.

 

If you have any other ideas on how to troubleshoot, it would be appreciated. I should also add I know my HF8 is working since the button to test it works and sim shaker aviators works no issue with DCS.

Hello joebejammin,

May I see a screenshot of the SimShaker Wings main window having the game running and the seat connected?

[joebejammin]

11 hours ago, Andre said:

Hello joebejammin,

May I see a screenshot of the SimShaker Wings main window having the game running and the seat connected?

Thanks for the reply Andre. I ended up doing a clean wipe of IL2 and reinstalling and that seemed to fix the problem. There was no change in appearance of sim shaker wings after re instillation, so I would guess that there was a problem somewhere with my IL2 instillation. Thanks for the response!

[dgiatr]

On 11/2/2024 at 7:12 AM, Andre said:

Hello joebejammin,

May I see a screenshot of the SimShaker Wings main window having the game running and the seat connected?

Hello Andre this is Jim hope you are OK.

 

Currently I run into an issue with simshaker and il2.

When I am in a landing process of a me262 with gear down, full flaps and engine at high r.p m in order to keep the landing speed of about 250 km/ h it happens to stress my pair of dayton exciters-bass shakers that I have each one stiched under my rudder pedals at a point of near burning...

Flaps channel isn't connected to those exciters-bass shakers only gear movement and engine vibrations are related to them.

I want to ask if full gear down vibrations of a me 262 at 250 km/h are stronger ( 3 cycle gear ) in simshaker compared to another (2 cycle gear) plane and if engine vibrations of say 8 000 r.p m of me 262 are stronger than say 1.500 r p m of la5 fn during landing of both of them.

 

In other planes landing process except me262 I don't have that problem.

 

Thank you in advance..

Do you have any idea how to overcome this issue except tuning down gear and r.p m vibrations?

Edited December 2, 2024 by dgiatr

[Andre]

14 minutes ago, dgiatr said:

Hello Andre this is Jim hope you are OK.

 

Currently I run into an issue with simshaker and il2.

When I am in a landing process of a me262 with gear down, full flaps and engine at high r.p m in order to keep the landing speed of about 250 km/ h it happens to stress my pair of dayton exciters-bass shakers that I have each one stiched under my rudder pedals at a point of near burning...

Flaps channel isn't connected to those exciters-bass shakers only gear movement and engine vibrations are related to them.

I want to ask if full gear down vibrations of a me 262 at 250 km/h are stronger ( 3 cycle gear ) in simshaker compared to another (2 cycle gear) plane and if engine vibrations of say 8 000 r.p m of me 262 are stronger than say 1.500 r p m of la5 fn during landing of both of them.

 

In other planes landing process except me262 I don't have that problem.

 

Thank you in advance..

Do you have any idea how to overcome this issue except tuning down gear and r.p m vibrations?

Hello Jim,

Thank you for the feedback.
I've got Me-262 in my IL-2 hangar, I will try to reproduce the issue this week and get back to you.

 

[dgiatr]

On 12/2/2024 at 2:10 PM, Andre said:

Hello Jim,

Thank you for the feedback.
I've got Me-262 in my IL-2 hangar, I will try to reproduce the issue this week and get back to you.

 

While me262 landing procedure I think what stresses exciters-bass shakers more must be stall effect from the three gear struts plus flaps. If i get it right "gear" and "flaps" vibrations are produced only during their up-down and vice versa movement. "Stall' effect vibrations contains all the stall-baffeting effects of the whole plane( plus gears and flaps ) is that right?