SimShaker - Wings support thread for IL-2 users

[DoFo65]

   I am using a Bk G2 with Simshaker Wings. I had some brief issues setting up the software but those issues were quickly and easily resolved going through this thread. Thank Andre and everyone who has posted here. 
   Question I am looking to hook up a second Buttkicker Gamer2 so would I simply plug it in the same sound port as my 1st BKG2 or should Inuse a different port? They will be set up right and left.
   

[Andre]

13 minutes ago, DoFo65 said:

   I am using a Bk G2 with Simshaker Wings. I had some brief issues setting up the software but those issues were quickly and easily resolved going through this thread. Thank Andre and everyone who has posted here. 
   Question I am looking to hook up a second Buttkicker Gamer2 so would I simply plug it in the same sound port as my 1st BKG2 or should Inuse a different port? They will be set up right and left.
   

I think that depends on what you mean under "sound port"

[DoFo65]

 Sorry, I have the first BK G2 plugged into my Green sound out on the back of my computer. Would I plug the second BK G2  into the black sound out on the front of the computer or could i use a splitter and have both plugged into the green port via the splitter?

[Andre]

9 minutes ago, DoFo65 said:

 Sorry, I have the first BK G2 plugged into my Green sound out on the back of my computer. Would I plug the second BK G2  into the black sound out on the front of the computer or could i use a splitter and have both plugged into the green port via the splitter?

I guess that your first BK connection cord between the Green sound out on the back of your computer and the BK amplifier features two RCA connectors and currently you have got only one of them connected.

If so, try to plug the other one to the second BK amplifier and select in the SimShaker Wings settings 2 output channels pattern.

[DoFo65]

Thank you Andre! 

[DragonDaddy]

5 hours ago, DoFo65 said:
   Question I am looking to hook up a second Buttkicker Gamer2 so would I simply plug it in the same sound port as my 1st BKG2 or should Inuse a different port? They will be set up right and left.
   

DoFo65: I have been thinking of adding a second ButtKicker to get a stereo effect. Please let us know how this works out for you. 

[Llama_Thumper]

Hi Andre

 

A bit of an unusual question - I don't remember anymore which power unit is the right one for the Simshaker Wings Jetseat, can you tell me? 

[Andre]

9 hours ago, Llama_Thumper said:

Hi Andre

 

A bit of an unusual question - I don't remember anymore which power unit is the right one for the Simshaker Wings Jetseat, can you tell me? 

Hi,

none of those, but the left one should be fine if its connector fits.

[TimSell75]

I have a question to all Jetpad owners: Is there a noticable amount of noise from the Jetpad? I have a buttkicker on my chairl already, but can´t use it when my wife is at home. Event though she is in the opposite side of the apartment, she still can hear the rumble of the Buttkicker... So my question is, if the Jetpad is quiter as it is closer to the body?

[Andre]

23 minutes ago, TimSell75 said:

I have a question to all Jetpad owners: Is there a noticable amount of noise from the Jetpad? I have a buttkicker on my chairl already, but can´t use it when my wife is at home. Event though she is in the opposite side of the apartment, she still can hear the rumble of the Buttkicker... So my question is, if the Jetpad is quiter as it is closer to the body?

It's definitely less noisy than a buttkicker. In the opposite side of the apartment your wife will not hear it. But if you still will want to make it less noisy, you can use a power supply unit with a reduced voltage, DC 9 Volts  instead of regular 12 Volts. In such a case the actuators will make less noise, keeping vibration strength at quite acceptable level.

[TimSell75]

23 hours ago, Andre said:

It's definitely less noisy than a buttkicker. In the opposite side of the apartment your wife will not hear it. But if you still will want to make it less noisy, you can use a power supply unit with a reduced voltage, DC 9 Volts  instead of regular 12 Volts. In such a case the actuators will make less noise, keeping vibration strength at quite acceptable level.

Thanks a lot Andre! :)

[Youtch]

I just read the whole thread, yes the 19 pages of it! To get a grasp of what the software offered and its current limits.

 

Simshaker recently picked up my interest as next investment to enjoy alongside VR, instead of getting a new throttle.

 

I was initially considering Buttkicker but now after reading more, I am shifting toward jetpad/jetseat as a solid alternative. Realteus having such a bad rep.

 

Does jetpad/jetseat already comes with the Wings software or it is something that must be bought separately?

 

Is there any difference between the jetpad and jetseat a part of the hole for the stick in the middle?

 

Altogether with shipping, it is still a significant amount of money. Are there some sales period at some point during the year?

 

Thank you very much in advance.

[Andre]

39 minutes ago, Youtch said:

 

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Does jetpad/jetseat already comes with the Wings software or it is something that must be bought separately?

At the moment that is something that must be bought separately

 

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Is there any difference between the jetpad and jetseat a part of the hole for the stick in the middle?

I'm afraid you took it not quite right. You can barely buy JetSeat now, but you can buy JetPad with and without the hole for the stick in the middle

 

 

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Altogether with shipping, it is still a significant amount of money. Are there some sales period at some point during the year?

In general not, I wouldn't expect that this year.

Please bear in mind that in some countries that may be also a matter of domestic VAT charging.

[Youtch]

3 hours ago, Andre said:

but you can buy JetPad with and without the hole for the stick in the middle

Sorry i was referring to jetpad normal vs fse edition. Any more difference a part of the room for the stick?

3 hours ago, Andre said:

At the moment that is something that must be bought separately

So which software need to be bought to have fully functional jetpad in IL2, the wings version? But is is 6 or 8 motors support?

 

Thanks a lot for all your clarifications.

[Andre]

39 minutes ago, Youtch said:

Sorry i was referring to jetpad normal vs fse edition. Any more difference a part of the room for the stick?

No more difference.

 

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So which software need to be bought to have fully functional jetpad in IL2, the wings version?

SimShaker Wings

 

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But is is 6 or 8 motors support?

JetPad features 6 control channels driving 8 motors. 4 bottom motors are coupled and driven by 2 channels. 4 backrest motors are driven individually by 4 control channels left. JetSeat featured the same pattern. Hence, SimShaker Wings/Wheels/Aviators software deals with 6 channels, no matter how many motors they drive.

 

Edited February 5, 2022 by Andre

[Youtch]

May I ask which are the two motors that are combined in the same channel?

 

Thank you very much again!

[Andre]

31 minutes ago, Youtch said:

May I ask which are the two motors that are combined in the same channel?

 

Thank you very much again!

[TheSNAFU]

I am trying the Simshaker Wings demo with my Reverb g2. I am using the frontside Reltech headphone audio out jack for one Buttkicker. Im getting really nice feedback for most of the features and in particular the engine. But gun fire, flaps, and bumps seem faint even at a setting of 100. I dont feel anything when landing gear goes up or down which is also set at 100.  SSW is set on mono. If I turn up the buttkicker volume it’s better but it’s turned up so much the chair is very loud and I still don’t get anything for landing gear. 
 

Any ideas on what I could do to improve the ones I’m not getting good feedback?  

[Andre]

4 hours ago, TheSNAFU said:

I am trying the Simshaker Wings demo with my Reverb g2. I am using the frontside Reltech headphone audio out jack for one Buttkicker. Im getting really nice feedback for most of the features and in particular the engine. But gun fire, flaps, and bumps seem faint even at a setting of 100. I dont feel anything when landing gear goes up or down which is also set at 100.  SSW is set on mono. If I turn up the buttkicker volume it’s better but it’s turned up so much the chair is very loud and I still don’t get anything for landing gear. 
 

Any ideas on what I could do to improve the ones I’m not getting good feedback?  

Hmm... sounds strange. LG samples are strong ones. What if you playback "\Documents\SimShaker-Wings FXs\Audio\Base\1\gear_m.wav" sample with, let's say VLC mediaplayer, having the the frontside Reltech headphone audio out selected as its output device? Would you feel it good?

[[FF]Rockets]

Love what the app does. Great being able to turn up (and down) specific sounds and the feeling of the ground rumble ceasing as you lift off is unforgettable.

Unfortunately, I'm getting lots of feedback from the app which I don't get with BK2 running over the normal headphone signal. It's like a faint buzzing sound. Not a vibration but an audible bzzzzt whenever the BK2 vibrates. It only occurs when SimShaker Wings is running. Thanks for excellent work!

[Andre]

3 hours ago, [FF]Rockets said:

Love what the app does. Great being able to turn up (and down) specific sounds and the feeling of the ground rumble ceasing as you lift off is unforgettable.

Unfortunately, I'm getting lots of feedback from the app which I don't get with BK2 running over the normal headphone signal. It's like a faint buzzing sound. Not a vibration but an audible bzzzzt whenever the BK2 vibrates. It only occurs when SimShaker Wings is running. Thanks for excellent work!

I'm afraid I don't quite understand you. Where do you hear that buzzing sound?

[TheSNAFU]

9 hours ago, Andre said:

Hmm... sounds strange. LG samples are strong ones. What if you playback "\Documents\SimShaker-Wings FXs\Audio\Base\1\gear_m.wav" sample with, let's say VLC mediaplayer, having the the frontside Reltech headphone audio out selected as its output device? Would you feel it good?

Hi Andre, its good now thank you. I tested LG from the file as you suggested and received good feedback. I went back to the game and realized the LG feedback is indeed there.

 

I feel like your software adds a lot to the Buttkicker and the experience. I will be activating today. Thank you.  

20 minutes ago, TheSNAFU said:

I feel like your software adds a lot to the Buttkicker and the experience. I will be activating today.

Andre, When I went to buy Wings for $28.02 US, your site said it has to be set for Rubles. It also said: Dear customer, the only currency accepted in this shop is the Russian Ruble. Please get back to the front page and select at the top RUB RUB as the currency to make payment. For your convenience, PayPal or a bank can automatically convert your local currency into rubles. PayPal or a bank may charge some fee for the currency conversion. The other currencies in the dropdown list are for reference only.

 

What does this mean? I planned to pay with a Visa card. Thank you.  

 

[Andre]

1 hour ago, TheSNAFU said:

I feel like your software adds a lot to the Buttkicker and the experience. I will be activating today. Thank you.  

Andre, When I went to buy Wings for $28.02 US, your site said it has to be set for Rubles. It also said: Dear customer, the only currency accepted in this shop is the Russian Ruble. Please get back to the front page and select at the top RUB RUB as the currency to make payment. For your convenience, PayPal or a bank can automatically convert your local currency into rubles. PayPal or a bank may charge some fee for the currency conversion. The other currencies in the dropdown list are for reference only.

 

What does this mean? I planned to pay with a Visa card. Thank you.  

 

I thought I described that pretty clearly. Maybe some native English speakers could help me to write more understandable text, if that's actually not clear enough.

At the moment I can say that I accept Visa card payments.

[TheSNAFU]

Thanks, I was just trying to make sure that my total cost is 28.02 US using visa and that there were no other costs involved from you or o my end. 

[Andre]

1 hour ago, TheSNAFU said:

Thanks, I was just trying to make sure that my total cost is 28.02 US using visa and that there were no other costs involved from you or o my end. 

Your bank may charge some fee for the currency conversion and the bank exchange rate may be different from that my webshop refers to, so eventually it may be not exactly 28.02 US

[TheSNAFU]

Ok I understand now, thank you! 

[Youtch]

Thank you very much for all the information.

 

While I ditch the idea of getting a new throttle and decided to go for the vibrator experience instead ? with Andre's Wings sofware to power it, I am still full of doubts regarding which hardware to actually buy.

 

I am assessing pros and cons of Buttkicker vs Jetpad, but cannot make up easily my mind.

 

On one hand, Buttkicker seems easier to procure in Europe, with some retailers proposing it, hence reducing shipping cost and eliminating VAT, being therefore cheaper than jetpad.  Buttkicker has also the advantage of being more discreet or not causing discomfort while mounted on my work chair (for those of us unlucky to do simming on our work chair, with no proper simpit). Main disadvantage being that it is more noisy, although I hope that this could get mitigated somehow, and there is only one device vibrating.

 

On the otherhand, Jetpad is more expensive and difficult to procure from Russia (hoping international landscape does make things even more difficult), but offering 6 different channels for motors to enhance the overall feedback experience. My main concern for Jetpad is practical, having to set it up permanently on my working chair for comfort/durability/aesthetic.

 

For both options, I will have to come up any way with some type of solution to plug and unplug the device from my chair to the pc and power, so that my chair can still move freely. I understand that this might be a concern because connectivity could be a failure point if plugged and unplugged frequently.

 

I am probably not the only one having to overcome the challenge of the multi-purpose work chair, and would be curious how people tackled it.

 

Thank you very much in advance,

y.

 

 

[BBAS_Tiki_Joe]

54 minutes ago, Youtch said:

Thank you very much for all the information.

 

While I ditch the idea of getting a new throttle and decided to go for the vibrator experience instead ? with Andre's Wings sofware to power it, I am still full of doubts regarding which hardware to actually buy.

 

I am assessing pros and cons of Buttkicker vs Jetpad, but cannot make up easily my mind.

 

On one hand, Buttkicker seems easier to procure in Europe, with some retailers proposing it, hence reducing shipping cost and eliminating VAT, being therefore cheaper than jetpad.  Buttkicker has also the advantage of being more discreet or not causing discomfort while mounted on my work chair (for those of us unlucky to do simming on our work chair, with no proper simpit). Main disadvantage being that it is more noisy, although I hope that this could get mitigated somehow, and there is only one device vibrating.

 

On the otherhand, Jetpad is more expensive and difficult to procure from Russia (hoping international landscape does make things even more difficult), but offering 6 different channels for motors to enhance the overall feedback experience. My main concern for Jetpad is practical, having to set it up permanently on my working chair for comfort/durability/aesthetic.

 

For both options, I will have to come up any way with some type of solution to plug and unplug the device from my chair to the pc and power, so that my chair can still move freely. I understand that this might be a concern because connectivity could be a failure point if plugged and unplugged frequently.

 

I am probably not the only one having to overcome the challenge of the multi-purpose work chair, and would be curious how people tackled it.

 

Thank you very much in advance,

y.

 

 

 

I have the Butt Kicker and love it, could not fly without it actually. I use it with Andre's wings and it is something else. I do plan on getting his jet seat one day in the future. The great news is you can use both the Jetset and Buttkicker together so if you buy one to start, you could always get the second one further down the road. The software has two separate controls for both devices. I also use my Sim chair as an office chair, don't worry about that. The buttkicker just hangs out under the chair clamped on and not noticeable at all. The chord is detachable so you just unplug it when your done and store the chord and bam, back to a normal chair. You don't have to unscrew or mess with anything really between uses. 

[Charlo-VRde]

1 hour ago, Youtch said:On the otherhand, Jetpad is more expensive and difficult to procure from Russia (hoping international landscape does make things even more difficult), but offering 6 different channels for motors to enhance the overall feedback experience. My main concern for Jetpad is practical, having to set it up permanently on my working chair for comfort/durability/aesthetic.

For both options, I will have to come up any way with some type of solution to plug and unplug the device from my chair to the pc and power, so that my chair can still move freely. I understand that this might be a concern because connectivity could be a failure point if plugged and unplugged frequently.

 

I am probably not the only one having to overcome the challenge of the multi-purpose work chair, and would be curious how people tackled it.

 

Thank you very much in advance,

y.

The JetPad just sits on your office chair without attaching it to anything, since your weight is what holds it in place. When not flying you can simply fold it and set it on the floor or a table near your computer so you also don’t have to disconnect it from your computer. 

[Youtch]

That is definitly good to hear. I thought that with VR and moving chair, it would need some more tying up.

[WIS-Redcoat]

My friend is having an issue is when he launches SimShaker Wings and it immediately looks for Falcon BMS (game mode) rather than "watching for Games".   When he launches Il2 it never reacts to anything.

 

We have triple checked the il2 startup file and everything is add for the telemetry.   We cannot get the thing to see Il2.

 

His buttkicker etc. work fine and can test.

[Andre]

4 hours ago, WIS-Redcoat said:

My friend is having an issue is when he launches SimShaker Wings and it immediately looks for Falcon BMS (game mode) rather than "watching for Games".   When he launches Il2 it never reacts to anything.

 

We have triple checked the il2 startup file and everything is add for the telemetry.   We cannot get the thing to see Il2.

 

His buttkicker etc. work fine and can test.

I think the only reason for SimShaker Wings to activate that mode is to see in the system running processes list one named as "Falcon BMS".

Could you guys please check that in the Windows Task Manager?

 

 

Edited February 10, 2022 by Andre

[SvAF/F16_lassekongo]

Hi andree. I have decided i do not want to control overll vibration level with the wheel anymore but instead use the seat control panel for it as it is easier to adjust and set individual levels in il2 and dcs that way. Problem is that every time i try to set an level in seat control panel it seems to reset it self after an hour or two of use. And then when i try to set the level again it gives me ”crc read error” (even though jetseat is clearly connected and working) Only thing that lets me set and apply again which I really dont want to do at all ? is to restart my pc. I have tried with both the english 1.31 and russian 1.21 version.  

[Andre]

7 hours ago, SvAF/F16_lassekongo said:

Hi andree. I have decided i do not want to control overll vibration level with the wheel anymore but instead use the seat control panel for it as it is easier to adjust and set individual levels in il2 and dcs that way. Problem is that every time i try to set an level in seat control panel it seems to reset it self after an hour or two of use. And then when i try to set the level again it gives me ”crc read error” (even though jetseat is clearly connected and working) Only thing that lets me set and apply again which I really dont want to do at all ? is to restart my pc. I have tried with both the english 1.31 and russian 1.21 version.  

Hi,

You probably need a PCB inside the control unit to be replaced. Please contact me via PM regarding that.

[SvAF/F16_lassekongo]

5 hours ago, Andre said:

Hi,

You probably need a PCB inside the control unit to be replaced. Please contact me via PM regarding that.

Yep im already on email contact with you regarding the vibration motors ?. But how does the pcb relate to the softwere ? Like jetpad is working and all and the control dial is working but when i want to control main vibration with control panel either the russian or english version it doesnt save it self i cant click apply and it says crc error. Or could i bypass it and use simshaker seat handler to set vibration level ? ? 

@Andre Like this image. When I untick the checkbox and adjust slider it allows me tp hit apply at first. Then after like an hour it resets it self and gives crc reading error even though jetpad is clearly working. I just want to be able to not use the dial and set vibration level with softwere slider instead

[Andre]

1 hour ago, SvAF/F16_lassekongo said:

Yep im already on email contact with you regarding the vibration motors ?. But how does the pcb relate to the softwere ? Like jetpad is working and all and the control dial is working but when i want to control main vibration with control panel either the russian or english version it doesnt save it self i cant click apply and it says crc error. Or could i bypass it and use simshaker seat handler to set vibration level ? ? 

@Andre Like this image. When I untick the checkbox and adjust slider it allows me tp hit apply at first. Then after like an hour it resets it self and gives crc reading error even though jetpad is clearly working. I just want to be able to not use the dial and set vibration level with softwere slider instead

I think that crc error is related to controller memory.

[SvAF/F16_lassekongo]

Is there some other way of controlling vibration level outside using the controller or jetseat handler ? 

[Red_Von_Hammer]

I need newest version of Simshaker Wings, when I try to start IL2 with Wings running the mouse stops working and game is just a smaller black window that doesnt come up in the foreground.
So I check Simshaker Wings and its saying with big red letters that its an outdated version and that I have to update.
So I click update and it leads me to your site, I click download link but it doesnt work?
PLEASE advise.

[Andre]

7 hours ago, SvAF/F16_lassekongo said:

Is there some other way of controlling vibration level outside using the controller or jetseat handler ? 

The JetPad vibration level strictly depends on the DC power supply voltage. I wouldn't recommend using voltage above 12 Volts, but you can downgrade the voltage to something like 9 Volts for example.

2 hours ago, Red_Von_Hammer said:

I need newest version of Simshaker Wings, when I try to start IL2 with Wings running the mouse stops working and game is just a smaller black window that doesnt come up in the foreground.
So I check Simshaker Wings and its saying with big red letters that its an outdated version and that I have to update.
So I click update and it leads me to your site, I click download link but it doesnt work?
PLEASE advise.

I've just checked it and it does work for me. Here is a direct link to the latest version https://1drv.ms/u/s!AtZazqt_Ko-7gZwa0lFkx4YauZ0d1w?e=ncap7e

[gnat]

Hi Andre, SimShaker Wings doesn't appear to be pulling telemetry from IL2. When IL2 is running, I only get a message that SimShaker is listening. Can you help me figure out why it's not pulling telemetry?

 

My current setup is one ButtKicker connected to the amp, which is plugged into the green port of my external sound card. I inserted the appropriate text in the startup.cfg file, and I've selected the correct sound card in SimShaker and have checked the bass shaker box. When I press the test button, my ButtKicker vibrates.

 

Thanks!