200 Wellingtons vs 600 Flak Guns - Not TFS Alpha, just current Steam version.

[Mysticpuma]

?The footage was created in Il2 Sturmovik: Cliffs of Dover. Shot in 4K, the mission created using 200 Wellington 1C Bombers over a heavily populated city in France. I added 600 Flak guns and let the test begin.
Short video test, still playing around with it and will most likely add fighters but may need to remove a few bombers.

 

 

 

Edited December 21, 2019 by Mysticpuma

[Ala13_pienoir]

 

I like it

[Danziger]

So will CloD 6.0 get B17s and B24s and such?

[Rei-sen]

45 minutes ago, Danziger said:

So will CloD 6.0 get B17s and B24s and such?

Yep. Add 4-engined bombers - obviously the game can handle big number of bombers quite well, a good Single Player Career mode and a VR support - it'll be awesome. Well, it is awesome already. I was a bit sceptical before, but the more news I see from the devs the more I love this game.

Edited December 18, 2019 by Arthur-A

[Beazil]

Holy Christmas!  Looking good!

[JV69badatflyski]

 Nice test MP!

How many fps and on what config? 

Thanks

[Feathered_IV]

Nice to see a game that doesn't begin to choke itself after about 12 bombers. 

[Buzzsaw]

Just so everyone understands:

 

This is not an officially organized test.

 

And a note of caution:

 

We do not recommend building missions of this size for Multiplayer... and for Singleplayer, results will be very dependent on the quality of the player's machine.

 

That being said, we think one of the CLIFFS system's positives is its ability to put large numbers of aircraft in the air while remaining playable.

 

And as a side note, Team Fusion is conducting a stress test of the 4.57 build this Saturday December 21st at 2100 GMT.

 

https://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31900

 

Anyone who is interested in helping, please join the ATAG server at that time.

 

Thanks  ?

[Urra]

We need dis!

[Missionbug]

Sure looks impressive MP, that will bring my machine to its knees, however, it is good to see just what might be possible for some.

 

 

Wishing you all the very best, Pete.

[Buzzsaw]

12 hours ago, Danziger said:

So will CloD 6.0 get B17s and B24s and such?

We would love to build B-17's and B-24's for a later module.

 

However, while the game engine could certainly handle these types of aircraft, there are many challenges to creating an aircraft of this size.

 

A bomber of this size requires multiple cockpits, pilot, bombardier, gunners, etc.... unlike a Fighter, which requires one.

 

The external model is far more complex, requiring a huge number of moving parts.

 

The damage model obviously requires a larger number of objects being created... just as one example, each engine must have its own system of radiators and oil coolers, with the corresponding lines, oil and fuel tanks, and connections.  All of these require their functionalities and damage modeling.

 

All this means that it takes probably at least two to three times the amount of time for a modeler to create a four engined type when compared to a single engine fighter.

 

If we did start a project like this, it would be for only one of the big US four engined types, not both.

 

What we can say, it is unlikely we would create an AI version... from our perspective there is no point in putting in all the work without the players being able to enjoy flying the aircraft.

And finally... any possibility of TF continuing on with aircraft such as these is dependent on the success of TF 5.0... we won't continue if our work is not of interest to the community.

[Mysticpuma]

23 hours ago, Buzzsaw said:

Just so everyone understands:

 

This is not an officially organized test.

 

And a note of caution:

 

We do not recommend building missions of this size for Multiplayer... and for Singleplayer, results will be very dependent on the quality of the player's machine.

 

That being said, we think one of the CLIFFS system's positives is its ability to put large numbers of aircraft in the air while remaining playable.

 

And as a side note, Team Fusion is conducting a stress test of the 4.57 build this Saturday December 21st at 2100 GMT.

 

https://theairtacticalassaultgroup.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31900

 

Anyone who is interested in helping, please join the ATAG server at that time.

 

Thanks  ?

 

Yep this is just a community video maker having a play with the software and seeing how far I can push it. 

 

Buzzsaw I don't think we need to keep telling everyone I am no longer in TFS? 

I would just like to post videos as and when, showcasing what I can do with what we all have access to? 

Anyway, re. the video, I did try and add 8 109's attacking but as soon as they appeared in view all the visual effects vanished.... so will have to work something more creative out. 

Next step is 60 groups of Vic 3 at more historical heights and variations. 

 

Cheers, Mysticpuma 

 

 

[Buzzsaw]

1 hour ago, Mysticpuma said:

 

Yep this is just a community video maker having a play with the software and seeing how far I can push it. 

 

Buzzsaw I don't think we need to keep telling everyone I am no longer in TFS? 

I would just like to post videos as and when, showcasing what I can do with what we all have access to? 

Anyway, re. the video, I did try and add 8 109's attacking but as soon as they appeared in view all the visual effects vanished.... so will have to work something more creative out. 

Next step is 60 groups of Vic 3 at more historical heights and variations. 

 

Cheers, Mysticpuma 

 

 

Your posts titles have 'Official' indicators... i.e. the inclusion of the BLITZ version number and the term 'WiP' which is typically used by our official TF PR persons.

 

My suggestion is you include in your title... "Unofficial Test"... or  "My Test"... then I won't feel the need to remind readers you are not posting on behalf of TF.

[Mysticpuma]

Sorted

[354thFG_Leifr]

Careful Mystic. You wouldn't want to drum up too much interest in TF5!

[Buzzsaw]

What we are concerned about is non-TF people setting up expectations which the team cannot deliver.

 

Seeing videos of 200 Wellingtons flying into 600 flak guns is not realistic in terms of normal gameplay.

 

TF is working on improving the game's efficiency and its ability to host large numbers of aircraft and objects for TF 5.0, but we are not promising the moon.

 

We will be providing video updates showing some of the new effects and efficiencies in the near future.

[Hoots]

On 12/19/2019 at 11:10 PM, Buzzsaw said:

Your posts titles have 'Official' indicators... i.e. the inclusion of the BLITZ version number and the term 'WiP' which is typically used by our official TF PR persons.

 

My suggestion is you include in your title... "Unofficial Test"... or  "My Test"... then I won't feel the need to remind readers you are not posting on behalf of TF.

Buzz, probably best to let it go. It’s rather unedifying to single out people and how they post. And you open yourself up to topic headers that can make use of it. 

[Mysticpuma]

9 hours ago, Buzzsaw said:

What we are concerned about is non-TF people setting up expectations which the team cannot deliver.

 

Seeing videos of 200 Wellingtons flying into 600 flak guns is not realistic in terms of normal gameplay.

 

TF is working on improving the game's efficiency and its ability to host large numbers of aircraft and objects for TF 5.0, but we are not promising the moon.

 

We will be providing video updates showing some of the new effects and efficiencies in the near future.

 

Buzzsaw, all my video shows is that the game engine IS capable of some amazing stuff. Whether they be the norm or exception, the footage shows just what can be done within the software. Please remember, you are selling a product, the last thing you want to do is say the video shows something that can't be done when clearly it can?

"What we are concerned about is non-TF people setting up expectations which the team cannot deliver"

The footage shows the software can deliver, please don't undersell it.

Cheers, Mysticpuma

Edited December 21, 2019 by Mysticpuma

[sevenless]

Excellent! Now put in B17s and B24s and the usual german, uk and us stuff. Call it "Battle over the Reich" 44/45 and you have a winner. Do that with Lancs and Halifaxes, add with Mossies and german Nightfighters, call it "Nightmare over the Reich" and you have another winner. I´d buy both in a heartbeat.

[Buzzsaw]

12 hours ago, Mysticpuma said:

 

Buzzsaw, all my video shows is that the game engine IS capable of some amazing stuff. Whether they be the norm or exception, the footage shows just what can be done within the software. Please remember, you are selling a product, the last thing you want to do is say the video shows something that can't be done when clearly it can?

"What we are concerned about is non-TF people setting up expectations which the team cannot deliver"

The footage shows the software can deliver, please don't undersell it.

Cheers, Mysticpuma

Hello MP

 

We realize you have long had an interest in CoD... often as a critic and sometimes as a proponent.

 

However, you are not a coder, you have no experience with analyzing netcode, or how to improve the efficiency of online data exchange.

 

Your video is one small snapshot.  It is not a proof of anything.

 

As I mentioned, Team Fusion does have people who work in the relevant areas and they are actively looking for ways to update and refine the game.

 

They do understand the potential we have with this game engine but they also understand what is possible and what is not.

 

I would recommend you wait for our updates and the TF 5.0 release before making announcements about what the game can or cannot do.

[DD_FT-]

58 minutes ago, Buzzsaw said:

Hello MP

 

We realize you have long had an interest in CoD... often as a critic and sometimes as a proponent.

 

However, you are not a coder, you have no experience with analyzing netcode, or how to improve the efficiency of online data exchange.

 

Your video is one small snapshot.  It is not a proof of anything.

 

As I mentioned, Team Fusion does have people who work in the relevant areas and they are actively looking for ways to update and refine the game.

 

They do understand the potential we have with this game engine but they also understand what is possible and what is not.

 

I would recommend you wait for our updates and the TF 5.0 release before making announcements about what the game can or cannot do.

Are you sure? Are you for real?

Mysticpuma is simply showing what the current version of CloD can do. What the current version is capable of. He's not trying to prove anything. He's not making any announcements.

 

Better stop right there and now... oh, no, wait, too late, damage has been done already. Too bad. Oh well. 

 

[Cybermat47]

Awesome stuff, Mystic, really shows what the engine can do 

[DD_Arthur]

1 hour ago, Buzzsaw said:

... often as a critic and sometimes as a proponent.

 

Wot, Mysticpuma?   You've got that the wrong way round Buzz.

 

 

You're also making a complete ass of yourself.

 

 

[DD_Arthur]

10 minutes ago, Novice-Flyer said:

 

I apologize if any of this wrong 

 Everything you wrote above is wrong.

[Ala13_pienoir]

Clod is fabulous

I don't understand them, this should be a community
They should be grateful that clod exists

you all get lost in shit !!

Mystic Lord, I do not know you, but I can appreciate provocation in your publications, I do not say that you do it in a conscious way, but it is so

If you love clod, no TF ............ you should realize where your posts lead

This is the world of air simulation, a catastrophe, a nonsense of egos and malicious

Stop doing the stupid thing !!

 

 

 

 

Edited December 22, 2019 by E69_pienoir

[DD_Arthur]

29 minutes ago, E69_pienoir said:

Stop doing the stupid thing !!

 

Yes!  Stop posting videos of one of the few things CLoD does really well compared with other sims and be quiet!

[Ala13_pienoir]

I posted that I liked the video of Mr. Mystic

He who wants to understand that he understands

[Mysticpuma]

 

18 hours ago, Buzzsaw said:

Hello MP

 

We realize you have long had an interest in CoD... often as a critic and sometimes as a proponent.

 

However, you are not a coder, you have no experience with analyzing netcode, or how to improve the efficiency of online data exchange.

 

Your video is one small snapshot.  It is not a proof of anything.

 

As I mentioned, Team Fusion does have people who work in the relevant areas and they are actively looking for ways to update and refine the game.

 

They do understand the potential we have with this game engine but they also understand what is possible and what is not.

 

I would recommend you wait for our updates and the TF 5.0 release before making announcements about what the game can or cannot do.

 

Hi Buzzsaw thanks for the reply.

 

I posted this video as I wanted to share something that I enjoyed creating by pushing the game engine. I was contacted by a group of Wellington Bomber historians who have a Frazer Nash turret and wanted to know if CloD could be used to create a video that could be projected onto a 20-30 foot screen and then people could sit in the turret and look out at huge formation following them and get a feel for what it must have been like to sit in the rear gunner position looking out towards the huge formation as flak starts filling the sky.
I have contacted you about this and as a way to get CloD known it would be a real selling point to have it used to create the video and then people would ask how the video was made....thus pointing them back to CloD....equalling potential sales...free marketing?

 

"We realize you have long had an interest in CoD... often as a critic and sometimes as a proponent".

Having a passion for flight sims shouldn't be seen as a fault and having spent many years making movies of Clod and previous versions of IL2, I would say often as a proponent and sometimes as a critic. Critique I have often passed has been down to lack of time spent on Single Player with a considerable amount in comparison spent on Multi-player. 

 

"However, you are not a coder, you have no experience with analyzing netcode, or how to improve the efficiency of online data exchange".

Yep, here's the crux of the issue, you completely see passed anything created in Single Player because it doesn't fit with online play. Why do I need to be a coder, understand netcode or understand online data exchange to play Single Player? Through my whole experience of playing CloD I have always said I am only interested in the Offline/Single Player experience. Before TFS, during and after this has always been my way of playing with CloD, the software I bought to play as and how I want to. I don't need to be forced into online play to make videos. This video is proof the game engine can render what it shows, why on earth do I need to know about coding?

What seems strange here is you singling me out for not knowing coding or net code, effectively to say I am stupid and yet I have posted a video I have created offline, shared it with the IL2 community and now you start on me for.....what exactly? Let's put it another way, if someone else posted a video they had made, would you reply "you are not a video maker, you have no idea about lighting, angles, cameras, depth of field, composition? I mean seriously would you? Yet I have simply posted a video showing what can be done (what I can do) with the software, no green screen, no cheating, nothing....all done within the game engine and yet you criticise me for showing what a movie maker can do with the current software?

 

"Your video is one small snapshot.  It is not a proof of anything". 

 

It is proof that if someone knows how to make movies and knows how to use the software provided, they can create footage the same as I did. While others may have different skills, how is showcasing what CloD can currently do seen as a wrong to post? I actually don't understand what the point of this comment is. I have the latest Steam version of CloD. I wanted to make a video. I created a video and posted it here. That is what the community does, share what it enjoys doing, but rather than see it as a great showcase/selling point for CloD, for some reason you have decided that my video is a criticism? How do you come to that conclusion? I actually enjoyed making this video and it shows what CloD CAN DO not what it isn't capable of? Why does it ultimately have to be proof of anything? All it is proof of is a community member using the software to create a video...and I have.

 

"As I mentioned, Team Fusion does have people who work in the relevant areas and they are actively looking for ways to update and refine the game. They do understand the potential we have with this game engine but they also understand what is possible and what is not"

 

That's great...and? Why is that even a point? I assume you mean coding, netcode and data transfer....which is of no interest to a Single/Offline Player. Should you mean effects and visuals....great, but why is that a concern for me? I have made a video with the current available software to everyone but you are telling people the game is not capable of this and the video proves nothing? What it proves is that anyone with some skill in movie making and the ability to use a basic version of the FMB can create visually stunning footage of epic scale and yet you are actively telling people this is a bad thing to show? I just don't understand the animosity to a short clip I am testing, have shared with the community to show them just what CloD can do and you are here telling them this shouldn't be viewed because it shows CloD doing something it can't....which it obviously can? My video shows what is possible, so why the vitriol?

 

"I would recommend you wait for our updates and the TF 5.0 release before making announcements about what the game can or cannot do"

 

Where did I come out with "an announcement"? My hobby and passion is making movies. I use what there is to create the clips/footage I make. I posted a video showing something I am proud of, a video of a huge armada of aircraft in flak. I shared it with the community, yet here I am defending a video for showing what I can create in the current software available to everyone which from the video is something the game obviously can do? I didn't announce it as Alpha, Beta, Release candidate, I said Blitz v4.57 which is the Steam version everyone has.

I honestly don't understand the singling out of my post, the point of telling me what I am not able to understand and the reason why anyone who is trying to sell software would openly criticise a member of the community for posting a video showing what the current software can do only to be told it can't and to wait for future development before posting videos showing what the software can't do?

 

15 hours ago, Novice-Flyer said:

Guys let it go already. MP has been doing this for a while and now TF is finding tiresome. He was in Pattle’s position for quite some time back in the day. After he left he was mainly left in the dark and is in the same spot that most of us (non TF members) are. Somehow MP has shown to have forgotten some things like that making large bombers like the B-17 and B-24 in one module is easy, when it’s quite the opposite. He’s shown to be in some ways whiny like consistently asking things at a one day equivalent interval for a huge project that will either make or break Team Fusion’s career and our chances of flying over areas that we can’t already except in IL-2 1946 Mods and WT.

 

MP. May I suggest to you please post your videos meant as a test as an unofficial test and Please wait until TF 5.0 is out before going on and on about outlandish projects and what can and not happen. Thank you.

 

I apologize if any of this wrong as TBH, even though I got CloD in 2015 and downloaded the patches, I only got really involved with TF in early 2018.

 

I honestly don't understand the viewpoint of this. Genuinely I don't. I posted a video, it shows a large formation of aircraft in Flak. It is the version of software available to everyone. Yet posting a video that is not criticising TFS, not criticisng the software but is promoting and showcasing just what is possible now opens me up to criticism. So post critique...Bad Mysticpuma. Be positive and showcase how amazing the current CloD engine is....Bad Mysticpuma? Where...please show me where.....anywhere have I mentioned in this post anything about B-17's/B-24's and how easy they are to make? I have not mentioned or commented on that at-all. Buzzsaw replied to someone else but:

 

"Somehow MP has shown to have forgotten some things like that making large bombers like the B-17 and B-24 in one module is easy, when it’s quite the opposite. He’s shown to be in some ways whiny like consistently asking things at a one day equivalent interval for a huge project that will either make or break Team Fusion’s career and our chances of flying over areas that we can’t already except in IL-2 1946 Mods and WT."

 

I await the apology for that as it is completely unjustified thanks. Always worth reading the thread before quoting someone for something they haven't said!

 

"MP. May I suggest to you please post your videos meant as a test as an unofficial test and Please wait until TF 5.0 is out before going on and on about outlandish projects and what can and not happen. Thank you."

 

Where did it say Official test and where have I mentioned outlandish projects???????

 

I just do not understand this at all. Your comments seem to be made on something you have made up and decided to attribute to me when all I have done is simply posted a video showing how amazing CloD can be. I shared it with the community. I haven't asked for anything. I haven't mentioned 4-engine bombers. I posted a WiP clip of a project I want to share with a group of Wellington Bomber historians.....the animosity is incomprehensable.

 

Either the clip is good or the clip is bad. What is shows is footage created in the current version and shared with the community. Please just let me understand, is it a case of once you have been kicked out of Team Fusion you are no longer allowed to post anything even if it is using the software that everyone is able to use?

 

Disappointed to be honest as what appears to be targetted attacks against me for no reason other than some seem to have an agenda?

 

MP

 

 

 

 

Edited December 22, 2019 by Mysticpuma

[354thFG_Leifr]

On 12/21/2019 at 1:06 AM, Buzzsaw said:

Seeing videos of 200 Wellingtons flying into 600 flak guns is not realistic in terms of normal gameplay.

 

You're right about that Buzz.

Outside of the excellent Storm of War and ACG events, the meta-gameplay for Cliffs is to fly around in AirQuake ATAG at 3,000 feet. I can see why MysticPuma's video is, in this instance, very misleading of the average Cliffs experience.

 

What a load of waffle. I don't even remember now what the original title of this thread was, it was just a cool video showing something that Cliffs can do excellently. I sorely wish BoX could handle even a third of these aircraft in the sky. Was MP claiming to be a part of Team Fusion or that this was part of some official test? I don't believe so. Great work on making a shitshow out of yourself again though. ?

[356thFS_Melonfish]

31 minutes ago, Leifr said:

 

You're right about that Buzz.

Outside of the excellent Storm of War and ACG events, the meta-gameplay for Cliffs is to fly around in AirQuake ATAG at 3,000 feet. I can see why MysticPuma's video is, in this instance, very misleading of the average Cliffs experience.

 

What a load of waffle. I don't even remember now what the original title of this thread was, it was just a cool video showing something that Cliffs can do excellently. I sorely wish BoX could handle even a third of these aircraft in the sky. Was MP claiming to be a part of Team Fusion or that this was part of some official test? I don't believe so. Great work on making a shitshow out of yourself again though. ?

Agreed, I was never a part of the original clod games and was really looking forward to tf 5.0 and the potential game play, after seeing this thread I'm having second thoughts...

 

I realise Buzzsaw is an individual but I wonder if he realises that he's being the face of that project right now and just how visibly damaging this is to the TF project.

 

To MysticPuma I'll say this, that turret video idea sounds utterly fantastic, Yorkshire Air museum has a number of turrets on display and I can imagine being sat in one watching that vid, lovely work m8.

[Ala13_pienoir]

stop looking at people

look at the simulator
the mystic lord changed the title of the thread several times

This is what I mean, don't degenerate the thread into nonsense
Someone who is resentful published a video with an unsuccessful title
And someone in his legitimate right and work corrected him

The rest is bla bla bla ........

[Raven109]

@Mysticpuma What hardware did you use? You forgot to mention that. Another guy asked you this here and you missed it. So did other guys on the ATAG forums, and you did not give a straight answer.

 

Also, regarding Buzzsaw's comments, here's what people ask in the comment section below the video on YT:

 

"So, this is the Alpha, isn't it?"

 

As the comments immediately under @Mysticpuma's post here indicate, people are already thinking that this is TF5.0.

 

@E69_pienoir got it right. The title of the thread has changed, whoever posted afterwards is posting out of context. 

[Mysticpuma]

1 hour ago, Raven109 said:

@Mysticpuma What hardware did you use? You forgot to mention that. Another guy asked you this here and you missed it. So did other guys on the ATAG forums, and you did not give a straight answer.

 

Also, regarding Buzzsaw's comments, here's what people ask in the comment section below the video on YT:

 

"So, this is the Alpha, isn't it?"

 

As the comments immediately under @Mysticpuma's post here indicate, people are already thinking that this is TF5.0.

 

@E69_pienoir got it right. The title of the thread has changed, whoever posted afterwards is posting out of context. 

 

Hardware

Intel i7 6790k @4.6Ghz

Asus Deluxe Z170 Motherboard 

32GB Corsair Vengeance DDR4 Memory

ASUS Strix 1080 video card

Creative Labs Soundblaster Z 5.1 card

4x 2 terrabyte SSD drives 2 in RAID configuration. 

Dell 4K monitor

 

Re. The original title. 

200 Wellingtons vs 600 Flak Guns. Blitz 4.57 current version WiP

 

 

Nowhere did it say Alpha or v5. 00 and nowhere has it been claimed otherwise. 

 

Cheers, MP

 

 

[Raven109]

2 minutes ago, Mysticpuma said:

Nowhere did it say Alpha or v5. 00 and nowhere has it been claimed otherwise. 

 

Thanks. I know you didn't, but you were at some point one of the voices of TFS. Not everybody knows that you're not anymore, so there is a slight chance that people still think that you're making tests/announcements for TFS. Because of this you're not the same as any random video poster.

 

Anyway, good news that the engine "can" support this. At the moment, it's probably not going to work on most machines/servers the normal Blitz player is using, but maybe it will work in the near future... 3-5 years or so. 200 bombers is overkill for any gameplay situation, anyway - perhaps movie-making will find more use for it.

 

[Mysticpuma]

10 minutes ago, Raven109 said:

200 bombers is overkill for any gameplay situation, anyway - perhaps movie-making will find more use for it.

 

Which is all I posted this as, simply to show how great the game engine currently is, whatever TFS do in the future it can only improve it but for some reason I have been criticised for showing how good the software is and just what it is currently capable of, as detailed in my previous long post. 

1 hour ago, E69_pienoir said:

The mystic lord changed the title of the thread several times

Someone who is resentful published a video with an unsuccessful title... 
 

The original title is in the previous post. I was asked to change it because some people may be confused and not understand that "Blitz 4.57 current Steam version" isn't "v5. 00 Alpha footage" which understandably looks like very similar text? 

 

The posts all related to the original title and then I changed it so "Blitz 4.57 current Steam version" read "nothing to do with TFS who I am no longer a part of" before changing it to the current title. 

 

While I appreciate you are trying to make it look like I lead people into the thread by false promotion, there has never been any indication from me that the video shows anything other than the original title. 

 

I just don't understand why everyone is complaining about video footage captured in the current version? 

I made something, shared it and now people are complaining it's not fair I could do it? 

Utterly bizarre behaviour from some? 

[Dakpilot]

Denmark... Foot... State... Rotten...  In... Oneself....Mouth.. Shoot...the... Something... Of

 

Assemble into a positive PR statement...

 

Cheers, Dakpilot 

[Buzzsaw]

For information on the work being done to improve CLIFFS ability to handle large numbers of aircraft and special effects, please see the following update:

 

 

8 hours ago, Melonfish said:

Agreed, I was never a part of the original clod games and was really looking forward to tf 5.0 and the potential game play, after seeing this thread I'm having second thoughts...

 

I realise Buzzsaw is an individual but I wonder if he realises that he's being the face of that project right now and just how visibly damaging this is to the TF project.

 

To MysticPuma I'll say this, that turret video idea sounds utterly fantastic, Yorkshire Air museum has a number of turrets on display and I can imagine being sat in one watching that vid, lovely work m8.

We are in contact with the Yorkshire Air Museum and have told them several months back we'd be happy to have them use the game, and the game's Wellington specifically in their museum display after it is released.  I mentioned this to MP more than a week ago.

 

We are also working with a number of other organizations to allow them to use the game in promotions.

 

And speaking of the Wellington, we are starting the cockpit import into the game:

 

[69thSpiritus]

I think this has ran its course.