500 kg bomb for the Bf-109 Series.

[Roland_HUNter]

I just wanted read about the BF-109 in original manuals and books and all says it could bring an 500 kg bomb.
This is what I found:

 

 

 

Edited November 6, 2019 by -[HRAF]Roland_HUNter

[Cybermat47]

I see mention of the ETC-500/IXb bomb rack, which could hold a single 250kg bomb, but nothing about a 500kg bomb.

 

I'm fairly sure that the 109 couldn't carry an SC-500 due to the size of the bomb and the low ground clearance of the 109's fuselage.

[Kurfurst]

That's ETC 500 bomb rack, that can mount bombs up to 500 kg, however on most 109s the maximum size authorized was a 250 kg one.

 

As Cybermat mentioned, the issue was ground clearance which was very minimal in case of an 500kg bombs. Loading wise, ca. 500 kg of stores could be routinely carried (see gondola + droptank combo), and theoretically even the 109E could carry an 500 kg bomb, but since the ground clearance of the bomb tail was but a few centimeters, it would not have been the wisest of ideas for rough airfields.

 

The 109K was officially cleared for 500 kg bombs, due its standard long tailwheel which gave enough ground clearance, and I believe it was probably the same case with those G10 and G14s which were somewhat irregularly fitted with the long tailwheel. 

[InProgress]

@-[HRAF]Roland_HUNter

 

Like it says, ETC500 IXb bomb rack carrying one SC250 bomb.

[=621=Samikatz]

Safely using a 500kg bomb on the Bf-109F/G series required raising the tail with an extra wheel, which would then be dropped on a parachute to be recovered after take-off. It never saw combat as far as I can find and I assume they wrote it off as not worth the effort the time and effort when the Fw-190 was clearly a much more capable strike aircraft

 

[Cpt_Siddy]

Found more archive pictures of 500kg bombs on 109

Edited November 6, 2019 by Cpt_Siddy

[6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann]

The only 109s able to carry the 500 were those with the long Tailwheel. The only Aircraft equipped with it were the G-14AS, G-10 and K-4.

[DB605]

14 hours ago, 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann said:

The only 109s able to carry the 500 were those with the long Tailwheel. The only Aircraft equipped with it were the G-14AS, G-10 and K-4.

Not exactly true about long tailwheels, those were fitted from later G6 on. More regular on later models thought.

[Kurfurst]

23 hours ago, =621=Samikatz said:

Safely using a 500kg bomb on the Bf-109F/G series required raising the tail with an extra wheel, which would then be dropped on a parachute to be recovered after take-off. It never saw combat as far as I can find and I assume they wrote it off as not worth the effort the time and effort when the Fw-190 was clearly a much more capable strike aircraft

 

 

IIRC a handful of /R1s were issued to some units, but in really small numbers. Long range recce R3s (G-4/R3, G-6/R3) with the same two 300 liter droptank installation under the wings were used by recce 109 units though.

[40plus]

Crazy how much history I learn on this game forum. ?

23 hours ago, 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann said:

The only 109s able to carry the 500 were those with the long Tailwheel. The only Aircraft equipped with it were the G-14AS, G-10 and K-4.

 

I just finished building a G-10 Erla kit from Revell. I came with both the short and long tail wheel. I had wondered why there would be two and now I know. I opted for the short as it gave the model a slight nicer stance.

[DB605]

3 hours ago, pfrances said:

Crazy how much history I learn on this game forum. ?

 

I just finished building a G-10 Erla kit from Revell. I came with both the short and long tail wheel. I had wondered why there would be two and now I know. I opted for the short as it gave the model a slight nicer stance.

 

I have also this kit in stash, hopefully i actually finish it someday...

 

But as i said earlier about tailwheels, what Klaus wrote is not exactly the truth as tall tailwheels were fitted from late G6's on and therefore any late G can have it.

Diana built G10's used only short tailwheels, Erlas had both types.

[Krisu]

5 hours ago, pfrances said:

Crazy how much history I learn on this game forum. ?

 

I just finished building a G-10 Erla kit from Revell. I came with both the short and long tail wheel. I had wondered why there would be two and now I know. I opted for the short as it gave the model a slight nicer stance.

 

I've looked into model planes (the ones you build/paint) before and there's lots of brands to choose from, what are considered some of the better ones for someone who has never built one before?

 

Asking for a friend

Edited November 7, 2019 by Krisu

[40plus]

16 minutes ago, Krisu said:

 

I've looked into model planes before and there's lots of brands to choose from, what are considered some of the better ones (for 109).

 

Asking for a friend

 

For me it's the scale. I build in 1:32 which isn't as common as the 1:48 scale so I generally just buy what I can find regardless of manufacturer.

The larger scale offers increased detail and makes it easier for me to create my own detail. They end up being big planes though, so you need to think about how you will display them. My He-111 has a 70cm windspan!

 

Kits in my queue right now, all 1:32:

• 109 G10 Erla - Revell - finished
• Il-2 sturmovik single seater - Hobby Boss - In progress
• Spitfire MkIX - Tamiya
• He-111H6 - Revell
• P-38J - Revell (1992 kit from ebay)

 

I like Revell for the molding quality but have noticed errors and omission in the instructions that need to be worked out. Luckily there is online help for this. The 1992 kit I have for the P-38 is somewhat "primitive" vs the modern kits but still has lots of detail to work with. Modern Revell kits classify themselves on a 1-5 difficulty scale which usually corresponds to the # of parts and the level of detail. I like the level 5 kits.

 

The Hobby Boss kit is surprisingly complete with LOTS of parts for modification. In fact it seems designed for modification because it includes parts that would otherwise be completely hidden in side the kit (detailed guns n such including ammo belts all hidden in the wings). I don't like the quality of the plastic itself, it's more brittle than the Revell plastic but the kit does include white metal landing gear, photo-etched parts and rubber tires straight out of the box

 

Can't go wrong with Tamiya. Detailed, full featured kits with high quality materials and instructions. Spendy though but IMHO well worth it. My spitfire comes with tiny magnets to hold engine covers on so they can be easily removed, photo etched parts, a display stand and the option to change landing gear from deployed to stowed as you wish post assembly. Great kit.

 

I have a Mongram kit for a Ferrari 330P4 which looks to be of good quality. simple kit though that didn't even come with an engine so I bought a resin modification engine kit for it separately.

 

There are more manufacturers but those are the ones I have experience with.

Edited November 7, 2019 by pfrances
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[Krisu]

@pfrances Thank you for the info! Hopefully Tamiya has some cool 109s that won't break the bank

[MiloMorai]

Don't remember seeing this mentioned but besides adding clearance for the 500kg bomb it was also there to help ground handling during landing and take off.