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With the Battle of Berlin, Normandy and several extra Allied collector airplanes it is possible to make the late war set of war birds


IL-2 BATTLE OF BERLIN

 

Set of aircraft

Ta-152 H-1           La-7

Fw 190 A-9           Yak-3

Me 109 G-10         Yak-9U

He 219 A-7            IL-2 Type 3

Ar 234 B-2             Pe-2 (1944 model)

 

Completing the late war set

I think the biggest question in this series is which Pe-2 to choose. 210 or 359 series? As I suggested the Battle of Normandy so the Liberation of Bieolo Russia is out of the question. Anyway the suggestion of the battle of Berlin that I am doing is important because it incorporates another jet that was used operationally during the WWII as a bomber and can also be used on the Rheinland map. The La-7 is an airplane capable of facing both the 109K and the 190D. The Ta-152H is not strategically important in east-front warfare where combat takes place at low altitude, but it is an indispensable aircraft that can be used in high-altitude combat against the Bodenplatte P-51D. The battle of Berlin shares the same planes as the 1945 Rheinland map

Collector's
La-7 with with option to add one more cannon 
109 G-10 or Ta-152H-1?

Map
I haven't made the cut yet. I'm expecting players' suggestions

Some pictures of Berlin battle and map from the internet
 

Spoiler

 

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Considerations
This is an important battle, fundamental in the context of World War II, and it provides for the Reds later models of the Soviet Union as the dear La-7 and Yak-3, plus the IL-2 "arrow". Germany will have the full late set of fighters if it considers only the main models. It's perfect for interacting with Bodenplatte


Here is the suggestion to discuss and make the necessary modifications ;)

 

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This is a very good suggestion if I do say so myself. I think this will either come after Bodenplatte, or the Pacific. Doing the Battle of Berlin as one of the last makes sense as it was the LAST battle in Europe.

With the plane set, I'd add an IL-10 and the Me-163 Komet.

 

Other than that, excellent Luzianto.

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Historic picture of the important air battle for Berlin.

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40 minutes ago, DD_Arthur said:

Historic picture of the important air battle for Berlin.

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Is this before or after the recent spotting changes?

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16 minutes ago, unlikely_spider said:

 

Is this before or after the recent spotting changes?

 

Difficult to tell when there are no planes present at all.   Just like the air battle for Berlin.............

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9 hours ago, Novice-Flyer said:

the Me-163 Komet

 

What, all the Me 163s sitting on the ground due to lack of fuel, or the ones that were obliterated due to the unstable fuel?

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I wana replace one of the Yaks with a P63 personally. 

Replace the IL-2 with an IL-10 

 

Same reason I wana think of a german plane to replace the Ta152 or 190A9 with another. But I think we've reached the end of plausible alternatives for that faction aside from multicrew large bombers the team isnt likely to tackle.

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Kudos to your minds for next scenarios, but

Battle of Berlin is as each european 1945 szenario.. a boring setting tbh, compared to what is still left.

Allied Planes and Flak Explosions, beside that it could be more interesting for TC.
 

And compared to the Moscow Map, why should Berlin be able to get bombed if the city of Moscow isnt. Means Berlin would be the west border of the map.

 

Northern Africa

Italy

Pacific

...are scenarios that would probably generate money, which should be the main prio for a company.

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A He-219 would be pretty useless without RAF night bombers.

 

In fact, if we’re going to get a Berlin map, I’d rather have it in the context of Bomber Command’s raids on the city, with intense night battles, rather than the Luftwaffe’s failed kamikaze attacks, mistel missions, and a few scattered ground support sorties and fighter patrols.

 

Of course, with the game’s limitations on large cities and large aircraft crews, it’s doubtful that we’ll get either, at least for a while.

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A Battle of Berlin as a Battle over Berlin wouldn't be something anyone would buy, because it's boring AF and Prototypes and What Ifs are better left to Games like War Thunder.

 

The last proper Air Action seen by the Wehrmacht in Defense of Berlin was during Bagration. For the Vistula Oder Offensive Operation Bodenplatte had left the Eastern Airspace completely open, thus Airpower was virtually Non-Existent over the Eastern Front during that Period giving the VVS free reign.

 

Pretty much everything after 2nd of January '45 isn't worth mentioning. We had Planes but neither Ammo nor Fuel. The Number of successful daytime Combat Sorties (meaning Plane and Crew returning in Serviceable Condition) is in the Double Digits from that Date to the End for the entire Luftwaffe.

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6 hours ago, 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann said:

The Number of successful daytime Combat Sorties (meaning Plane and Crew returning in Serviceable Condition) is in the Double Digits from that Date to the End for the entire Luftwaffe.

I'd say why not. The SP Career could have just few sorties a month starting from February.

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1 minute ago, Arthur-A said:

I'd say why not. The SP Career could have just few sorties a month starting from February.

Still, Bagration would be a nicer Choice. You have Evacuations from the Baltic States, the Baltic Sea, Warsaw, etc. the late VVS Planes like Yak-3, La-7, Yak-9U, Tu-2, maybe even P-63 or late Type P-40.

Interesting German Additions would be Me-410, G-6AS or MW50 and maybe He-115.

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26 minutes ago, 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann said:

Still, Bagration would be a nicer Choice

I agree, I hope we'll see it in future. However, Battle of Berlin could be afterwards.

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On 10/15/2019 at 1:36 PM, Novice-Flyer said:

the Me-163 Komet.

 

 

that would be totally impractical, but awesome!

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17 hours ago, 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann said:

A Battle of Berlin as a Battle over Berlin wouldn't be something anyone would buy, because it's boring AF and Prototypes and What Ifs are better left to Games like War Thunder.

 

The last proper Air Action seen by the Wehrmacht in Defense of Berlin was during Bagration. For the Vistula Oder Offensive Operation Bodenplatte had left the Eastern Airspace completely open, thus Airpower was virtually Non-Existent over the Eastern Front during that Period giving the VVS free reign.

 

Pretty much everything after 2nd of January '45 isn't worth mentioning. We had Planes but neither Ammo nor Fuel. The Number of successful daytime Combat Sorties (meaning Plane and Crew returning in Serviceable Condition) is in the Double Digits from that Date to the End for the entire Luftwaffe.

According to the Article “Death Throes of the Luftwaffe”, in the magazine “Spitfires over Berlin: The Air War in Europe 1945”, Luftflotte Reich flew a 438 sorties of all types on April 24th 1945. Incredibly there was still some Luftwaffe units flying and fighting from within Berlin itself that day, such as I./JG 11, which left Tempelhof that morning and moved to Gatow. 

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On 10/23/2019 at 5:27 AM, 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann said:

A Battle of Berlin as a Battle over Berlin wouldn't be something anyone would buy, because it's boring AF and Prototypes and What Ifs are better left to Games like War Thunder.

which prototype or where you read any prototype suggestions?
It seems that you decided to speak any bullshit that comes to mind or not read the post

 

On 10/23/2019 at 5:27 AM, 6./ZG26_Klaus_Mann said:

Pretty much everything after 2nd of January '45 isn't worth mentioning. We had Planes but neither Ammo nor Fuel. The Number of successful daytime Combat Sorties (meaning Plane and Crew returning in Serviceable Condition) is in the Double Digits from that Date to the End for the entire Luftwaffe.

This opinion is devoid of historical background. It shows a total lack of knowledge about air war. War is not just what you want war to be

 

On 10/23/2019 at 10:56 PM, AndytotheD said:

According to the Article “Death Throes of the Luftwaffe”, in the magazine “Spitfires over Berlin: The Air War in Europe 1945”, Luftflotte Reich flew a 438 sorties of all types on April 24th 1945. Incredibly there was still some Luftwaffe units flying and fighting from within Berlin itself that day, such as I./JG 11, which left Tempelhof that morning and moved to Gatow. 

Thanks for explaining
 

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On 10/24/2019 at 4:56 AM, AndytotheD said:

According to the Article “Death Throes of the Luftwaffe”, in the magazine “Spitfires over Berlin: The Air War in Europe 1945”, Luftflotte Reich flew a 438 sorties of all types on April 24th 1945. Incredibly there was still some Luftwaffe units flying and fighting from within Berlin itself that day, such as I./JG 11, which left Tempelhof that morning and moved to Gatow. 

In the air the Battle of Berlin was certainly not a one-sided affair. On 16 April 1945, the first day of the Berlin offensive, the Luftwaffe even achieved 891 sorties. At this date Luftwaffenkommando Nordost, responsible for the defence of Berlin, had more than 1400 aircraft available. Over the next days there were large scale air battles over the Oder front and both sides suffered heavy losses. On 18 April alone Luftwaffe pilots reported over 100 victories and between 16 and 20 April the Soviet 16th Air Army reported almost 500 destroyed enemy aircraft. These numbers are certainly overclaims, but it shows the intensity of the fighting in the air.

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For me the very first days of Operation Barbarossa (focusing on the north and Leningrad) should be the first choice

We can have old Soviet A/C such as the I-15

and even an earlier Ju-87 Stuka and Donier 17

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