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The excitement around here for Bodenplatte is amazing and great to see. The entire team deserves a lot of credit for what has already been accomplished and what we are soon to get. And all this while also doing a tank sim and redue of WWI. I honestly felt too much was being taken on at once but incredibly all their great work is progressing at a fast pace. 

 

With out caveats or qualifiers I thank you for what you all are doing. 

  

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19 hours ago, Habu said:

So yes, it's complaint. Or explain us what is the advantage.

 

Sorry I've closed this on my end so you'll have to figure it out on your own.

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13 minutes ago, spitfirejoe said:

TODAY would be a very nice day for a very nice update!!! 

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Ahh, no, today is monday. Noone likes mondays. We all would hate the update, when it would come today.:biggrin:

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Okay which plane has the the biggest range and can we refuel at every airfield, so we can explore the whole map. To be honest I don't care about the new aircraft I'm more a bomber pilot, but I'm sure we will get the B-25 in some point even as collectors plane, because the B-25 C/D was used by the US, GB and Soviet Union so this would be a waste if we couldn't fly it at all. Can we also get some official skins with invasion strips and British markings for the existing aircraft like the early Spitfire and A-20B.

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P-51 should have the highest range. It replaced P-38s and P-47s as bomber escorts specifically because it could escort the bombers into Germany and back from England.

6 hours ago, smee_ger_ac said:

Okay which plane has the the biggest range and can we refuel at every airfield, so we can explore the whole map. 

 

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I think with drop tanks the range of the P-38 and P-51 was close, with the P-51 have a slight advantage (200km?). For deep mission escort duties the P-51s would be handed over the bombers for the final runs on target, with the intermediate-range cover provided by shorter range fighters (or other P-51s when they became more numerous).

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On 9/21/2019 at 9:48 AM, Jade_Monkey said:

 

IL2 has always supported multithreading. The distinction is that certain processes such as FM or DM are not parelellized. So the game as a whole does use multiple threads, but some "core" processes are still strongly dependent on a single thread.

 

The way I interpreted the news is that the distant city rendering is not part of those "core" processes and can take advantage of more threads.

 

I'm obviously not an expert but this is my understanding of how it works in IL-2.

 

So do we have a bead on what fraction of the load is multi-thread and how many unique threads it can support? That's going to control the point of diminishing return of threads vs clocks, and would inform trades between the 3950X,the 3800X and I9-9900K

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1 hour ago, Biggles0f266 said:

wen arras?

 

How long is a piece of string? 

 

(Probably before the end of the year.) 

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"Rendering at such distances because of the enormous amount of buildings visible at the same time required heavy use of multi-threaded tech to prepare the data. We have made this feature optional for simmers that have a weaker PC."

 

I don't understand why it is meant for weaker PCs.  Is there some negative to enabling multi-thread?

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9 minutes ago, Schmehl said:

Is there some negative to enabling multi-thread?

On a dual core system it doesn't help you that much... What they really mean here (as I read it), they wil simply not be loading that many details because a weaker system cannot handle the amount of data. If you select the multi threading, it will also try to make use of it and load more stuff. De-selecting that part of the terrain generator will load a simpler scene.

 

Also, if you have a weak system, the more worker  threads you have, the more load you have to put on the main thread to assemble the scene. If your system is lower spec, you don't want ti stress it by putting more "administrative" work on it.

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12 hours ago, smee_ger_ac said:

Okay which plane has the the biggest range and can we refuel at every airfield, so we can explore the whole map. 

 

The He 111 H-6 with full fuel has around 11 hours of endurance if you fly with cruise settings. More than the P-38/51 until drop tanks are implemented. 

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3 hours ago, Schmehl said:

"Rendering at such distances because of the enormous amount of buildings visible at the same time required heavy use of multi-threaded tech to prepare the data. We have made this feature optional for simmers that have a weaker PC."

 

I don't understand why it is meant for weaker PCs.  Is there some negative to enabling multi-thread?

 

Yes.  Ideal distribution is one thread per core.  If you have more threads than cores (very normal) then the CPUs are context switching between threads.  That context switching incurs overhead.  In that scenario multi threading will reduce latency for short running tasks but actually have a negative impact on overall throughput.

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11 hours ago, spitfirejoe said:

The P-38 had an endurance of 12 hrs and more, is that the plane with the highest range?

 

I think this should answer your question:

 

Escort_fighter_ranges_WW2.jpg

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Note that the P-38 actually had even larger drop tanks that were used to cross the Atlantic, for a ferry range of 2,500 miles (4,000 k). So, technically, it had the longest range :)

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My MFG Crosswind is on the way, and should be here tomorrow. That gives me a week or so to practice before getting into the P-38.

 

I'm as excited as a little girl!

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1 minute ago, cardboard_killer said:

My MFG Crosswind is on the way, and should be here tomorrow. That gives me a week or so to practice before getting into the P-38.

 

I'm as excited as a little girl!

 

I have no new controllers coming at all, but just thinking about the P-38's pending release, I can't keep my stuff still!!!

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Its taken me a whole day to read the thread and catch up! (My daughter just got married so I was out of pocket.) 😥 

 

Awesome update, I am super stoked to hear we are getting 3 flyable aircraft, the BoBP map and the B25. I guess I will have to save up for another computer upgrade in the near future!

 

3 hours ago, sevenless said:

 

I think this should answer your question:

 

Not exactly because that radius chart for the Lightning is from ‘43 and in July ‘44, Lindbergh offered up some advice on the P38J. By reducing cruise rpm from 2200 to 14-1600 rpm, setting mp @ 30” and selecting auto lean, he increased range without drop tanks to 9 hours at appx 200 mph ias (depending on altitude and escort speed of course).That would increase the max range by about 380 miles over the figure listed above. Without drop tanks.

 

I know this is way OT so if anyone wants to discuss it we can start a new thread.

 

 

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57 minutes ago, Jaegermeister said:

Its taken me a whole day to read the thread and catch up! (My daughter just got married so I was out of pocket.) 😥 

 

Awesome update, I am super stoked to hear we are getting 3 flyable aircraft, the BoBP map and the B25. I guess I will have to save up for another computer upgrade in the near future!

 

 

Not exactly because that radius chart for the Lightning is from ‘43 and in July ‘44, Lindbergh offered up some advice on the P38J. By reducing cruise rpm from 2200 to 14-1600 rpm, setting mp @ 30” and selecting auto lean, he increased range without drop tanks to 9 hours at appx 200 mph ias (depending on altitude and escort speed of course).That would increase the max range by about 380 miles over the figure listed above. Without drop tanks.

 

I know this is way OT so if anyone wants to discuss it we can start a new thread.

 

 

 Yes you are correct, I know the whole story about Lindbergh, that's why I stated it would be the P-38.

Lindbergh helped the Squadrons operating the P-38 very much.

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10 minutes ago, spitfirejoe said:

 Yes you are correct, I know the whole story about Lindbergh, that's why I stated it would be the P-38.

Lindbergh helped the Squadrons operating the P-38 very much.

He also acheived an unauthorized air kill on the japs while flying the p-38 with one of the squadrons. He got in some trouble.

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2 hours ago, andres43 said:

Just stating constancy from the Stuka fan club, I hope a collect plane version of Ju-87 for BOM will be created. 🤩

 

Well, the whole community is behind you; we all long for easier targets.

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8 minutes ago, onlyforbrian said:

My birthday is September 30th. SOoooo... where's my present?

 

You want your present now??? I guess it is YOUR fault that we all have to wait untill next monday, since the Dev team did not want want to release the great update before your Bday.

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49 minutes ago, spitfirejoe said:

 

You want your present now??? I guess it is YOUR fault that we all have to wait untill next monday, since the Dev team did not want want to release the great update before your Bday.

Sale isn't over til Monday. Tuesday is day the day, be sure 😋

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2 hours ago, -332FG-Hank_DG said:

Sale isn't over til Monday. Tuesday is day the day, be sure 😋

 

Hmmm....you know, I think you're right:salute:

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On 9/22/2019 at 4:19 PM, Yogiflight said:

I can't wait to patrol the Rheinland looking for people, who are patrolling the Rheinland looking for people, who are patrolling the Rheinland for B-25s.

Touche

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14 hours ago, cardboard_killer said:

 

Well, the whole community is behind you; we all long for easier targets.

Hehehe.... Well, things are going well until they start to go bad 😜. The JU-87 was a good plane until they found enemy fighters... In any case, there is no doubt that it was an outstanding precision bomber .

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On 9/21/2019 at 5:13 PM, Blitzen said:

 

A long unanswered ( ok, maybe it has been ,but I just haven’t seen it, ) why no drop tanks , even the now semi ancient original IL-2 Sturmovik ‘s aircraft had droppable tanks early on. Its not a big deal but the new American aircraft would just”look” more like their real counterparts of that period.


Indeed, drop tanks and the missing cluster bomb container ordnance is what I miss most from the Western front add on as well.
 

Pursuit types (and their RV opponents) look just odd without their ubiquitous drop tanks and cluster bombs were used very widely by this stage of the war by LW fighters on hit and run Jabo sorties.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, VO101Kurfurst said:


Indeed, drop tanks and the missing cluster bomb container ordnance is what I miss most from the Western front add on as well.
 

Pursuit types (and their RV opponents) look just odd without their ubiquitous drop tanks and cluster bombs were used very widely by this stage of the war by LW fighters on hit and run Jabo sorties.

 

 

There seems to be the tech now to at least handle the large amount of projectiles with PTABs being ingame, I would guess there simply hasn't been the time to retroactively model all this for existing machines.

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22 hours ago, spitfirejoe said:

 

You want your present now??? I guess it is YOUR fault that we all have to wait untill next monday, since the Dev team did not want want to release the great update before your Bday.

Hahaha..thanks, you gave me my belly laugh for the day... speaking of days, they're sure dragging it out to the last day, aren't they? I'm just waiting for the other shoe to drop with an announcement like "Sorry, the update has been pushed back to November" lol.  By the way, for those of you who haven't done so, buy a VR headset!! It makes BoS a completely different game, you'll be blown away.

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