Pacific War

[clark251]

Any news on the Pacific theater coming to great battles?  I know 1946 had it.  I want to relive landing the Corsair, Hellcat, and Wildcat on the decks of the carriers.  Loved the game play in 1946.  We need the Pacific fighters back!

[Semor76]

12 minutes ago, clark251 said:

 Loved the game play in 1946.  We need the Pacific fighters back!

 

Amen Brother...

[gimpy117]

i think it's the natural progression. we have 1940-1945 fighters in Europe...why not some pacific fighters? start in 1941 and then go up from there. 

[Voidhunger]

Ok ok, but after next two western scenarios.

[40plus]

Lots of existing forum discussions on this topic to read through. They will fill you in on the background, status and reasons for delay.

 

No need for yet another thread.

[PatrickAWlson]

1. Take a deep breath

2. Do not hold it or you'll turn blue

 

Don't mean to be too snarky but it will probably be a few months before we hear about what's next on the road map.  The are focused on BP right now.  Sounds like the modelers might be coming free, thus the noise about some additional collector planes.  However, the core team needs to get closer to finishing BP before we hear about the next big thing.

[Jonttu1]

Bodenplatte was announced 4 months before Kuban was released and Bodenplatte is on the last stretch for content in early access. Expecting info or an announcement soon about the next expansion is hardly unrealistic.

[Enceladus828]

11 minutes ago, Jonttu1 said:

Bodenplatte was announced 4 months before Kuban was released

Yes and No. Kuban was released in March 2018, but in November 2017 when Bodenplatte was announced, it originally planned for a December 2017 release, one month prior.

 

For Everyone: I anticipate Bodenplatte's release in October/November 2019, and we still have FC and TC to be released sometime after, maybe 2020. I'd see the devs announcing the future of IL-2 GBs sometime between Bodenplatte's release to Tank Crew's final release.

[CountZero]

i hope pto its coming as next dlc, its time for it

[Finkeren]

I wouldn't mind the PTO, but honestly I'm not looking forward to starting yet another theater right away. To me a historical flight sim only truly become interesting, when the plane set for a given period starts to feel "fleshed out". The GPW was only starting to feel that way with Kuban, and the plane set for BoBP feels very bare-bones, especially with the lack of dedicated bombers or attack aircraft. 

 

That's why I'm hoping for the next chapter to be either another Western European one, maybe Italy, or a return to the Eastern Front, rather than starting something completely new. 

[Gambit21]

@Finkeren - my friend the P-47’s, P-38 and 190 (variant) are dedicated attack aircraft. Just because they have or have had other roles elsewhere or at another time doesn’t negate that fact. You don’t get any more dedicated attack than the Jug.

 

It’s a nice aircraft set considering the time period, map, and intent of the release.

[Jonttu1]

You've got to start somewhere... If the best argument against the Pacific is that it won't be as well fleshed out at the beginning as the European theater is now, then it will never get done.

[blitze]

Still have fond memories of watching Black Sheep Squadron in their Corsairs.

 

Then there is Midway but that is way to short for a release base as many have pointed out.  There is an interesting YT video about Midway though from the Japanese perspective.  Quite sad for the poor commander of the IJN carriers with that one.  Luck for the USN and poor decisions on the commanders part compounding the disaster that was to befall them.

 

 

[kitsunelegend]

To be fair tho... the maps for the pacific theater would be super easy to make, considering they're mostly water. xD In fact, I can image them being also very frame rate friendly, and would maybe allow the devs to create some of the most highly detailed maps to date.

 

Are the devs still having issues getting data for the japanese aircraft? I remember hearing that was one of the major hold ups regarding the Pacific. Would be nice to hear more information regarding this expansion.

[ShamrockOneFive]

I think it maybe important to point out an older statement from Jason about the Pacific here:

 

You can see his statement and if you really want to dig into some comments you can see them too. Has the situation changes since then? Maybe. I know Jason was working with the team to pull out all the stops on this but you can see even for a fairly well documented Western fighter like the Tempest V that was given the attention in today's Dev Diary, its still a tough battle to try and get the details and resources to make these aircraft come alive. 1CGS isn't half assing the work on these - each plane has been given a lot of attention to detail which I really truly appreciate.

 

If they can do that for the Japanese aircraft it will be a small coup!

 

I'm hoping a Pacific themed scenario is possible in the future. Will be the next title? Or the one after? I don't know. But I have hope! I also think a second Western Front themed pack would do the series wonders as well though I know how deeply interested Pacific theatre fans are with going that direction.

[Atlasapl]

I would not expect them to do a Pacific release, until they can do it justice. No matter how much I want a Nakajima Ki-44 Shoki, I will wait as long as it takes. After all, I have only just got into IL2 and still have a lot to learn/play. 

[kitsunelegend]

On 8/30/2019 at 4:58 PM, ShamrockOneFive said:

I think it maybe important to point out an older statement from Jason about the Pacific here:

 

You can see his statement and if you really want to dig into some comments you can see them too. Has the situation changes since then? Maybe. I know Jason was working with the team to pull out all the stops on this but you can see even for a fairly well documented Western fighter like the Tempest V that was given the attention in today's Dev Diary, its still a tough battle to try and get the details and resources to make these aircraft come alive. 1CGS isn't half assing the work on these - each plane has been given a lot of attention to detail which I really truly appreciate.

 

If they can do that for the Japanese aircraft it will be a small coup!

 

I'm hoping a Pacific themed scenario is possible in the future. Will be the next title? Or the one after? I don't know. But I have hope! I also think a second Western Front themed pack would do the series wonders as well though I know how deeply interested Pacific theatre fans are with going that direction.

 

I do remember reading about that when it was first posted. But tbh, that post is coming up on being two years old now, so its not exactly unreasonable to be curious as to the state of the PTO, right? Would be nice to hear where it stands now after all this time...

[Ribbon]

And those tropical islands, landing there in VR ?

[ShamrockOneFive]

19 hours ago, kitsunelegend said:

 

I do remember reading about that when it was first posted. But tbh, that post is coming up on being two years old now, so its not exactly unreasonable to be curious as to the state of the PTO, right? Would be nice to hear where it stands now after all this time...

 

Oh being curious about it is fine. I am too! I posted that because sometimes people aren't aware of the past messaging or the very real issues that Jason and team identified when trying to approach the subject matter - I think those get dismissed out of hand sometimes. Those difficulties are going to be there even if they have made progress or made a breakthrough on the research front.

 

I still hope they can figure something out. Now, later, whatever. I'd like a F4U Corsair someday!

[Jaegermeister]

Or the very difficult issue of finding even one intact Val, Hamp, Betty, Tony, Pete, Sally or Oscar. Even an intact Zero is rare. The rest were left to rot in a jungle, or destroyed or maybe at the bottom of a lagoon somewhere. Look at the challenge Jason just went through with the Tempest and see if that’s possible with the Japanese planes. Hopefully I’m off base here and they can be recreated from documents, pictures and written records. I would love to see the Pacific come around but I’m not holding my breath.

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

Are "close enough" specs really that bad, provided the devs did their utmost to arrive at them, if there are no better specs available to draw from?  If we eliminated as a possibility every aircraft that required some guesswork, we'd be left with very few aircraft.

 

I want the most accurate aircraft that can be modeled *with the resources available*; but I'm not under any illusions that flying any of the aircraft in this sim is the same as flying the real thing, nor will it be.

Edited September 2, 2019 by hrafnkolbrandr

[[N.O.G.F]_Cathal_Brugha]

On 9/1/2019 at 9:24 PM, hrafnkolbrandr said:

Are "close enough" specs really that bad, provided the devs did their utmost to arrive at them, if there are no better specs available to draw from?  If we eliminated as a possibility every aircraft that required some guesswork, we'd be left with very few aircraft.

 

I want the most accurate aircraft that can be modeled *with the resources available*; but I'm not under any illusions that flying any of the aircraft in this sim is the same as flying the real thing, nor will it be.

My sentiments exactly. I would rather have 'close enough' than nothing at all.

[kitsunelegend]

On 9/1/2019 at 9:16 PM, Jaegermeister said:

Or the very difficult issue of finding even one intact Val, Hamp, Betty, Tony, Pete, Sally or Oscar. Even an intact Zero is rare. The rest were left to rot in a jungle, or destroyed or maybe at the bottom of a lagoon somewhere. Look at the challenge Jason just went through with the Tempest and see if that’s possible with the Japanese planes. Hopefully I’m off base here and they can be recreated from documents, pictures and written records. I would love to see the Pacific come around but I’m not holding my breath.

 

I'm sure there are plenty of museum quality Japanese aircraft laying around, or at least the basic specs for them. I mean, how else would other games be able to create them then? Like WT, IL-2 1946, and various other WWII aviation games (that said, I realize using WT as an example is kinda absurd considering how stupidly broken their FMs and stuff often are)

 

Also, iirc there is actually a flight worthy Zero that exists to this day. Its the only one in existence (that I know of, I could be wrong tho) but it does exist. As for Vals, Hamps, Betty, ect... as I said, I'm sure there some museum quality examples laying around somewhere...

 

I mean for example, iirc theres also only 2 intact stukas in existence in the world, with a possible 3rd being restored to airworthiness by 2020? And the devs added one of them into the game.

 

Honestly its gotta just be that they haven't been able to get in touch with the right people. Although it would really be nice to get another update regarding the state of PTO... I also personally wouldn't mind aircraft that weren't 100% accurate, as long as I knew the devs put a lot of work into them, and left the option open to come back and refine them at a later date.

[Gambit21]

There is more than one Oscar and Zero flying around - in fact there’s one of each 45 minutes from me.   

 

That’s not the same as having access to them however.

 

 

[Art-J]

Other games were/are all on the "close enough" strategy. Might be acceptable for some of us, but I don't blame Jason for not willing to step back on quality compared to current BoX iterations.

 

By the way, there's not a single museum quality, or even complete Betty, Val or Kate existing anywhere in the world today. Planes of Fame owns a Betty, but it's an unrestored wreck, they also own a Val, haphazardly restored in '60s with a Wright engine on it, but incomplete, dismantled and in storage nowadays, Smithsonian owns a non-wrecked nose section of late version of Betty, quite nice, but still, only a nose, and incomplete at that. No Kate survivors exist, only fragments of the fuselage wreck displayed in Pearl Harbor. Let's add the fact that Japanese were desperately burning tech documentations of their planes in '45 after surrender but before occupying forces landed on their soil, it's not surprising that collecting data is more difficult than in case of German birds.

 

Of course, all the drawings and photos published throughout years in Maru Mechanic publications came from somewhere apparently, but getting to sources on the other side of the world, not to mention the language barrier, certainly is a massive challenge. 

 

Keeping my fingers crossed, though, as it's the only theater of ops which might get me back to sim flying on regular basis.

[Lusekofte]

46 minutes ago, Gambit21 said:

There is more than one Oscar and Zero flying around - in fact there’s one of each 45 minutes from me.   

 

That’s not the same as having access to them however.

 

 

Wildcat strategy was based on flight test on a Zero recovered from Aleutians island. Those documents should be available by now  

[Gambit21]

6 minutes ago, Art-J said:

...it's the only theater of ops which might get me back to sim flying on regular basis.

 

For me as well.

I’ll fly a bit with BoBp, but only PTO will keep me going long term. 

 

[Gambit21]

 

...and further...

 

PTO is already the announced theater, right here on the boards.

There is still a PTO sub-forum up and running (although we cant' reply to threads right now) I get this, because likely Jason is too busy to monitor those conversations right now before BobP is even released....and not wanting to draw attention away from the current product release with too much PTO talk. Totally understandable. Some of you have taken this as a sign that PTO is a goner...somehow I don't think so. PTO sub-forum gone? Then worry.

 

We need only too look to the actual words that Jason typed right here on the boards. PTO delayed, not cancelled...THE DREAM LIVES!

He's the producer, he dreams of going to the PTO, it's his thing...he announced PTO, he hasn't cancelled PTO, we're going to PTO until he says that's changed.

 

Warrant Officer Yamaha Kawasaki will once again take to the skies, hopefully in a Lobby type situation...but either way he's coming...look out.

 

 

 

Edited to convey slightly less unintended grumpiness.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 4, 2019 by Gambit21

[US63_SpadLivesMatter]

I am excited for the PTO.  I really loved the carrier operations in 1946 and getting to fly over Pearl Harbor in japanese birds.  I particularly love the idea of going with the Battle of Midway, due to the rough parity of all the aircraft involved, as well as leaving the door open for Coral Sea and Guadalcanal maps, along with any collector planes that may come along with PTO.

 

I'm not so hot on the late war Pacific stuff though.  I know people want their Corsairs and Wildcats; but I don't want everybody to have to fly veritable japanese unicorns (whose specs are likely to be even more arcane and hard to come by than the more common japanese models) just to keep competitive.

Edited September 3, 2019 by hrafnkolbrandr

[Chief_Mouser]

Oh for goodness chaps. The Pacific doesn't exist. The Indies are just across the Atlantic. Now, does anyone have a carrack I can borrow?

[=27=Davesteu]

On 8/29/2019 at 7:53 PM, clark251 said:

We need the Pacific fighters back!

I'm a sucker for the Asiatic-Pacific Theatre, but hell no, please no Pacific Fighter 2.0.

No more ill-selected island battles without Japanese aerial opposition.

No more overrepresentation of the Pacific part and negligence of the Asiatic part.

 

I want to fly IJAAS, RAAF, USAAF, IAF, RAF and ROCAF over China, New Guinea, Burma/India and the Philippines.

[BlitzPig_EL]

There are a small handful of Ki-61s under restoration in New Zealand.  I hope I live long enough to see one in person here in the US someday.

It's my favorite Imperial Japanese fighter aircraft, by a long mile...

 

 

 

[BraveSirRobin]

35 minutes ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

There are a small handful of Ki-61s under restoration in New Zealand.  I hope I live long enough to see one in person here in the US someday.

It's my favorite Imperial Japanese fighter aircraft, by a long mile...

 

 

 

 

You’re probably going to have to visit New Zealand to see those aircraft.  Combine it with a visit to The Vintage Aviator.

[ShamrockOneFive]

2 hours ago, BlitzPig_EL said:

There are a small handful of Ki-61s under restoration in New Zealand.  I hope I live long enough to see one in person here in the US someday.

It's my favorite Imperial Japanese fighter aircraft, by a long mile...

 

 

 

 

Mine as well. I didn't know they were restoring some.

 

What kind of engine will they put in it?

 

[Jade_Monkey]

30 minutes ago, ShamrockOneFive said:

 

Mine as well. I didn't know they were restoring some.

 

What kind of engine will they put in it?

 

 

An airplane engine, duh!

[BlitzPig_EL]

As far as I know of the three airframes they have only one will be flyable.  I believe they intend to use the original Kawasaki Ha 40.  The other two aircraft will be for static display only.

[[CPT]Crunch]

It's a must to have proper weather matching the map, big part of it. 

[Jaegermeister]

@Gambit21 maybe this is the one in your neighborhood? 

 

The Alpine Fighter Collection in the New Zealand Fighter Pilot's Museum had the world's only Oscar in flying condition. It was one of the last Series 1s built, number 750 or so. The aircraft left the Alpine Fighter Collection in late 1999. The aircraft was sold to an undisclosed buyer, and exported from New Zealand.

 

quote from here... http://www.aviation-history.com/nakajima/ki43.html

 

 

Edited September 4, 2019 by Jaegermeister

[[CPT]Crunch]

One of Jason's life time ambitions, month long all expense trip to NZ!

Edited September 4, 2019 by [CPT]Crunch
They serve ice cold beer!

[Gambit21]

14 minutes ago, Jaegermeister said:

@Gambit21 maybe this is the one in your neighborhood? 

 

The Alpine Fighter Collection in the New Zealand Fighter Pilot's Museum had the world's only Oscar in flying condition. It was one of the last Series 1s built, number 750 or so. The aircraft left the Alpine Fighter Collection in late 1999. The aircraft was sold to an undisclosed buyer, and exported from New Zealand.

 

quote from here... http://www.aviation-history.com/nakajima/ki43.html

 

 

 

 

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